Chuck Bryant

But it can be?

All right.

Yeah, I mean, I get the impression that people with BPD generally don't have any illusions about themselves because it is such a struggle.

Well, and this is, I mean, all mental health disorders require a support system, but this one really seems to sort of be at the top of the list of needing a really solid, vast support system.

For treatment, like we said, the good news is that treatment works.

They used to think that personality disorders were untreatable and that you were just kind of stuck with it.

They have found that...

about half the people who are treated, who seek treatment and are treated, no longer meet the criteria after five to ten years.

That's amazing.

It doesn't mean that they're perfect and awesome and fixed.

It means they can still have some symptoms, but they have it under control enough to where they don't meet that five out of nine criteria.

And that's what it's really sort of about, I think, is managing something that –

Like you said, that you might have had since you were like a baby to live a productive, you know, healthy life.

I think so.

Yeah.

And it's, you know, if it sounds a little bit like cognitive behavioral therapy, it is sort of based on that in part because it's a real, and I get how it works.

It seems like a real sort of rubber meets the road, practical ways of learning new behaviors rather than, um,

And therapy is a huge part of it, but it's not just let's therapy and talk about your past until you're blue in the face.

It's like, all right, we know what's going on and we think we know where it came from generally.

Now let's really talk about putting this into daily practice, like literally doing things and having a checklist and putting stuff into practice, which I think is just –