Chuck Klosterman

Well, but Gladwell, to his credit, it's like he went first when I was late.

And I like, you know, that was like there was really no comparison between the level of interest of like for the people who were there.

But he goes first.

And then I get there right when he's finishing.

And he makes this statement where he's like in 25 years, normally red meat.

and like, no one will play football.

Yes.

And then I got up there and I was like, in 25 years, not only will I be watching football, like I might be eating the guys after they die.

And all the CTE stuff has dissipated from this conversation.

You hear it much less.

which is also an interesting thing.

I mean, like, because it doesn't... From watching the game, you wouldn't think there would actually be a lot fewer concussions.

I will say I'm surprised that when they said we got to change the way kids tackle or whatever, I was like, that's never going to work.

And it kind of did.

I mean, the guys did adjust, you know?

And I think that there was this idea that...

the way the public would react to the information or reality of CTE would be more dramatic.

What it did do is, in some parts of the country, this being one, the Pacific Northwest being one, it's rarer and rarer for parents to let their kids start playing football.

So that, in some ways, a fraction of what they said happened.

But the way football has sort of changed and become...