Chuck Klosterman Isn't Even Here Right Now
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
No one wants to see someone die on the football field, but the fact that it is possible does raise the stakes. Right after this ad.
There were, I'm sure, certainly at Harvard, there were people, I'm sure, who had a very pejorative view of people who had my book in their room. That's how it is.
What predictions does Chuck Klosterman make about the future of football?
That is also true. Yeah. You know, that's how it is. I'm not, you got to be self-aware.
You can't, you know. But I was trying to figure out, like, when did I first become aware of you and how was I most consuming you? And the answer, despite you being a writer I've long enjoyed, much to the protestations of the coolest kids in college, like Chuck Costner, Bill Simmons, the pod, you've been doing that for like 20 plus years now.
I would say the response I get from going on his podcast is about the same as releasing a book. And I'm not exaggerating. Like the likelihood that anytime if it's someone coming up in an airport or I talk to a guy at the dog park or whatever, the likelihood that what they want to talk about is that. You know, I mean, it's kind of I strangely I've written 13 books. I'm happy how they've worked out. I've had more success than I would ever dreamed.
How does the concept of 'Peak Football' factor into the discussion?
But I do sometimes wonder if I'm remembered, if I'm going to be the way, you know, certain Carson guests are remembered. Right. You know, or certain like, you know, certain people who are on talk shows who are, you know, because it's just the magnitude of that thing. is crazy.
I've been on that show once in person, and it still comes up all of the time with strangers on the street. It is intense. It is intense. And so the idea that you're here to talk about this book, which I enjoy, by the way. Thank you. Football. This is you also talking about what's in the psychology of this audience that I think you felt most acutely by sports podcasting.
Oh, well, I wouldn't know if I agree with that because the audience for sports podcasting is not the sports audience. Podcasting is, in many ways, sports podcasting is built for the world of sports outside of the games. You can be the person who doesn't really watch games and yet is able to have a conversation that seemingly could be on a podcast.
All of which is to say that this conversation we're having has been a long time coming. And we have known each other from afar for a very, very long time through the world of sports and sports media. But we never—we had plans, Chuck. We had grand plans that— We did. I blame you, honestly, if I may just immediately throw you under the bus. Like, we had plans.
What role does nostalgia play in Klosterman's views on sports?
Yeah. Yeah, we did. We were going to go to the Brooklyn Aquarium. Yeah. And, you know, it probably was me. It probably was me. Because I think... I feel like that happened when my life had kind of shifted. I think I had... What year was it? I had kids, I think, already.
Yeah. We were talking, like, in the...
20 teens yes um you it's when you were you know you were on a you know around the horn and like you you dress like a manatee or whatever you know yeah yeah yes and it was like that or something along those lines and we were like let's get high and go to the go to the the brooklyn aquarium and it seemed like a good idea but then i just you know i never got around it there's this kind of this there's a lot of people like that who i've made plans with who i never ended up seeing I lived in New York from 2002 to 2017. And that's really bifurcated, that there was that first eight-year period, and that was a really incredible, crazy period. And then there was the second period where I was a married person who was raising kids and trying to sort of become maybe a little more serious about what I was doing as a writer.
Hold on. The bifurcation of your time in New York It sounds like you have great nostalgia for, at the very least, the first chunk of it.
If nostalgia is injecting your own feelings into the past and misremembering the past, I hope that's not what's happening. I hope that what I remember is real.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:29
2
What predictions does Chuck Klosterman make about the future of football?
0:29–1:18
3
How does the concept of 'Peak Football' factor into the discussion?
1:18–2:46
4
What role does nostalgia play in Klosterman's views on sports?
2:46–5:01
5
How does the structure of football impact its popularity?
5:01–9:09
6
What are the implications of private equity on sports culture?
9:09–13:02
7
How does gambling influence the perception of football?
13:02–16:02
8
What does Klosterman say about the intersection of football and American identity?
16:02–50:26
Speakers
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