Pablo Torre
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Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Right, which is like... Which is where increasingly I am... regretfully reporting that I also land. You sort of like stop and you are hit with not just the tasks that you have to do on your to-do list, but also like the things that really matter to you in the clarity. And you're like, oh, I need a, I should probably make some changes in my life. this sort of stew of self-consciousness, right?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
If not shame, but just self-immediate, sudden onset, what feels like self-awareness, right? Because for me, it's not Drake. It's not Lil Wayne. It's not... Uno, deuce, one. It feels like Les Miserables.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Are you familiar with Les Mis? Oh my gosh, what are you talking about? I'm just saying, lots of people think... Les Mis? Lots of people think that in Les Miserables, Jean Valjean is singing about the Paris uprising of 1832. I believe he's singing about what it feels like to look at your browser window right after you've finished.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
How can I ever face myself again is a feeling that I have felt post-nut. Oh, gosh.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Well, you don't think musicals made their way into most people's sexmusic.tumblr.com rotation?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
So you clearly haven't seen Les Miserables then because there are a lot of guns. Stop it, Pablo. Stop it.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I could have used you as my defense attorney. What did you say? I apologized and said I would never put this on again. What?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Okay. And I'm trying to... I mean, I want to... This is a sports show. Absolutely. Everyone knows that. Many are saying this is a sports show. I wanted to give some science to this, though. Of course you did, Les Miserables. Well, I feel like we need to be a little bit academic about this. Yeah, I feel like we do also.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
So, my dad is a urologist. Yep. People may not know that. If you've not heard of me talk about my dad as LeBron James, a Filipino urologist, that is what I consider him. Wow. What did he bring to the game? He was big on player empowerment. Okay, good, good, good, good, good. Well, shout out. Shout out to the other Pablo Torre.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
So when I asked him, I called him up and I was like, and again, this is not easy for me to do because. Really?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Especially. Really? To give a sense of how Catholic my family is, me talking to my dad, who is literally a urologist. Yeah, that's blowing my mind. Is uncomfortable when it comes to the things that you'd expect a urologist to be. truly unconcerned with on the level of shame. My dad is totally cool. Like, no problems talking about this at all.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
So what I learned, though, is important because the post-nut clarity phenomenon is seemingly rooted into theories about how the human body works. One of them, I think, might be intuitive. It's simply that an orgasm reduces stress because good hormones get released. Sounds right. You know, dopamine, adrenaline, like this is a parallel to like runner's high, which I don't run.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I don't experience that, but I'm told it's cool.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
fresher ideas in that space and that could be similar to removing the fog of reverse hulk well i love i love a walk yeah i mean this episode was born yeah on on a walk that we had um that gets me and my and my blood flowing but the second theory is about actual blood flow And this one is the one where I'm like, oh, okay, there's something really happening here.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Because it's about the prefrontal cortex, Dominique.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
But here's the thing about the prefrontal cortex. Oh, say brain names. well it's the part of the brain that regulates executive function okay the executive so to speak in this in this imagery who is controlling impulses social behaviors thoughts and when we masturbate Our blood evacuates the prefrontal cortex.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I imagine this with like alarms going off, you know, like it's like the Death Star or something. Sirens or klaxons are blaring. Blood evacuates the executive chambers, like the bridge of the Star Destroyer or whatever. And this is also speaking to why I am bad at talking about sex. I'm going to Star Wars metaphors. It goes down towards the genitals.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Executive function evacuated, blood heading to the genitals. It results in a slowdown inactivity in the prefrontal cortex. And so when we are done, the blood returns. And that is clarity.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And I think it is the speed of that. that part feels magical. Right, it does.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Well, I think it's profound. It's a profound thing that it is not just like, an American thought that post-nut clarity happens. The Japanese, one of my favorite details about this, the Japanese have a word for this. It's kenja taimu. Taimu sounds like time. Time, taimu is time. Kenja, as in kenja taimu, kenja means wise man or philosopher. So you nut and it's philosophy time.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And it's defined, I mean, truly, post-coital clarity, period after orgasm, when a man is free from sexual desire and can think clearly.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I believe that we are most enlightened post-nut. Because you're isolating, you're removing... I think people... I mean, are we talking pejoratively about horniness, about testosterone in that sexualized way?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I was like, is this... Is time rooted in a Japanese... Hold on.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
This is some pseudo-Japanese bulls**t. It's kind of like... It is one of those Englishified... Yeah. Sort of like how in Spanish, blue jeans are los blue jeans. I think there's some of that happening.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
So I'm not sure if, like, yeah, ancient samurai... We're calling post-nut clarity Kenja Taimou. Okay, cool. Like feudal Japan. I liked it anyway. It's honestly a good question.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And it's possible that it makes it worse when you're like... You have me queuing up fucking John Williams and I'm out here doing like some, I don't know, some hee-haw.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Well, but your suggestion as to like how people can benefit from this. Are we helping people now? The question of what does clarity, what does this clarity, what is PNC? What does that do for us in our jobs, in our various decisions?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Right. Well, look, and I want to be clear about this too. I think that's fair that, you know, I'm not saying that people should be jacking off at work. They should not be doing that. You are absolutely saying that they should not be doing that. However... If there was a way to make decisions in full clarity, I think I'd want my, I don't know, my pilot to be a post-nut pilot.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Well, I believe that Kenja Taimou is something worth chasing if you are flying a plane, if you are writing an email, if you are buying clothes, if you are walking up to the plate. With the game on the line, as Orlando Cabrera has repeatedly done.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Your Honor, my perpetually masturbating client is awesome. I just think it's funny that when I went back to look at Orlando Cabrera, I was like, okay, he's not a great offensive player. Didn't hit more than 300 for his career. Not really that close. But when the game was on the line... It was Orlando Cabrera Taimou.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I feel gross. You don't, though.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I know you. As the son of a urologist, I can report that it probably lasts anywhere between like five minutes and a couple hours. Dude, I mean, the capacity, it just feels like you can go and do work.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
The biggest difference between us on this, clearly, is that yourself, PNC, and yourself, Pre, they feel more recognizable to each other than... I think a lot of the internet and me.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I was just wiggling my nose for the camera.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Yeah, my Bruce loves, he loves just like, you know, writing emails. I didn't know where you were going with that.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Okay, so at this point, I did want to point out that I actually did write an email to an expert who is not my dad. Or a dude, for that matter. An expert named Dr. Reena Malik.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And the good news is that Dr. Malik has absolutely heard about all of these pregame rituals before.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
which is a great defense of our guy Orlando Cabrera, for the record. And Ronda Rousey too, by the way, who Dominique and I mentioned before, who has none of the typical hangups about pre-fight sex. But when I asked Dr. Malik about how women like Ronda Rousey in specific fit into this story, what she immediately told me about was a larger issue.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Which, yeah, sounds like a significant problem. And so as to the question of whether women also experience post-nut clarity, I asked Dr. Malik for her informed opinion.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
In the spirit of journalistic inquiry, Dominique, I had to make a call to some other athletes in our focus group who know a little bit something about being great.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
This is Megan Rapinoe, if you didn't recognize that voice, sitting next to her fiance, Sue Bird, two of the greatest athletes in the world.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Well, the something though, where it rises to the threshold of like, this is a clarity, a phenomenon, as opposed to just like, well, now I'm thinking about something else. That's where I wanted to, again, focus group in this case of two, sample size of two, but I wanted to get into like, okay, how different is it in terms of what men feel versus what women feel with, you know, Sue.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
That was great, wasn't it? Accessing feelings, right? It's interesting. Like the clarity is a very clinical idea.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I don't go into it necessarily with the full clarity that every conversation we have must be a show.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I don't know if people listening to this understand how genuinely uncomfortable I have been at times during this episode. It started with the most earnest of curiosities as to like, Orlando Cabrera, good or bad at his job because he does this thing. And then it became a reflection on what it means to be yourself as sex is concerned and masturbating is concerned.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
What I found out today, Dominique, is that... You really do care about my pleasure.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
which is I asked if you remembered who Orlando Cabrera is. Baseball guy. Yes. Shortstop. Really good defensive shortstop. Orlando Cabrera won a World Series, won two gold gloves.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Played for nine teams across 15 years in the major leagues. And beyond being like a really good defensive gold glove shortstop, was also known for reading books, by the way.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I'll let you grab the steering wheel. No, no, no, no, no. We're both driving this together. Dominique, you're not leaving me alone in potential shame because I am fascinated by how Orlando Cabrera keeps his mind sharp and his hands soft.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
See, that might have been part of your problem. I keep on looking for a partner in crime. And Dominique, to his credit, was very interested in the revelation that I had found out about this shortstop, which is that first team Orlando Cabrera ever plays for is the Montreal Expos.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And what I've learned is, this is multiple people now, this is journalism, is that before every game Orlando Cabrera played, Orlando Cabrera used to walk into this modest storage room off the clubhouse, the Expos clubhouse, inside Olympic Stadium, in solitude, actually, Gabriel Garcia Marquez style. And, you know, he would make some moves from the seat of his pants.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I have a similar inclination, a pang of potential guilt. But what I am told is that this is not a question. Oh. So I want to ask you, though, just as a former athlete, right, if you knew that one of your teammates was, you know, just repeatedly calling for an ISO, You know, was perpetually celebrating Palm Sunday. Was just taking a self-guided tour. Okay. You know? You empty?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I was having a onesome to get empty. What would you think? Did this ever happen in your experience playing in the NFL?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Yes. It's an ancient tradition. It's in movies. Yeah. I mean, you'll only have to go as far as Rocky to find the exact opposite of Cabrera-ism, let's call it.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
where even like, I remember talking to like the best boxing trainer in the world, who is Freddie Roach. He's coached more world champions than anybody, I believe. He was ahead of Mayweather Pacquiao, that fight. And abstinence, it's a genuine coaching philosophy that he has for his fighters. And he talked about just how much he asks of them when it regards their discipline.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And like the new age guys, right? Like the influencers, what's crazy about the influencer boxers like Jake Paul is that they, you'd think like, oh, they're not obeying these folk ways. They've done the same thing. Like Jake Paul's coach, I was doing my research for this. And I have been, it's extensive. I pulled Google Doc. They say how much worse Jake Paul is after he has sex before sparring.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
My coach, BJ, will be like, Did you have sex last night? You can tell without me even saying anything.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I don't know the exact demographics of the Pablo Torre Finds Out audience. I do know that it's not all dudes. I do want to acknowledge how... how unbelievably dude-ish my curiosity was at the start. And so I do feel like it's worth noting that in repudiation of this ancient tradition of warriors in battle is someone like Ronda Rousey. You know, MMA fighter was a huge deal at one point.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I want to point out that she believes this.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
The fact that there's this active debate about like, is this a competitive advantage, Dominique, is where this becomes a sports story to me. All of this to me is about performance and performance enhancement.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Right. I mean, we can ostensibly control ourselves. Right. Like, we began— Is there another, like—
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Yeah, I think that's the point, right? So underneath all of this, and yes, I'm going to... very awkwardly navigate, grope through the fog of this conversation. No more puns. I want to make a case for this concept. So we're walking around and we're thinking about Orlando Cabrera. And we both have that instinct, I think, to try and understand as opposed to humiliate someone.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And so the case for him led us to this concept. And the concept is is one that both of us knew immediately. It's something we've talked about previously, if we're being frank with our audience. But do you remember where you first heard the term? Because I actually don't remember where I first saw it originate. You want me to say PostNet Clarity? I just wanted to get us both on the record.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Like PostNet Clarity is a, it feels like a phenomenon because there is nothing else quite like it. It's like Reverse Hulk.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
I want to get to the origins of this because post-nuclarity is one of those terms that's just been sort of like hanging out in the back of our heads, so to speak. And conventionally, it got attributed to... I don't listen to this podcast. I wonder if you've ever heard of it. Call her daddy.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
And Drake. Drake. The rapper? When Drake is rapping, post-Nut Clarity, I came to my senses. This is him, I believe, coming to grips with the man that he just was. Lil Wayne is in that category too. He basically says the same thing.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth
Unfortunately, what I have here is a different rapper named Uno Deuce One who wrote an entire song dedicated to this concept.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pitinos of the Mind: How Silicon Valley Hacks Your Attention Span, with Chris Hayes
No.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pitinos of the Mind: How Silicon Valley Hacks Your Attention Span, with Chris Hayes
No.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pitinos of the Mind: How Silicon Valley Hacks Your Attention Span, with Chris Hayes
We're all in and out of there.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pitinos of the Mind: How Silicon Valley Hacks Your Attention Span, with Chris Hayes
It's a simulacrum.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pitinos of the Mind: How Silicon Valley Hacks Your Attention Span, with Chris Hayes
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Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pitinos of the Mind: How Silicon Valley Hacks Your Attention Span, with Chris Hayes
Wow, cool!
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pitinos of the Mind: How Silicon Valley Hacks Your Attention Span, with Chris Hayes
I came pretty close.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Dylan McCullough would in fact break that Miami record, the school's all-time rushing record, after leading the team in rushing for four straight seasons. His whole bet had paid off, but it also imprinted permanent expectations of a different kind.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah, and you look at the statistics. I mean, hard to do better than that. And so where does he get drafted?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah, that whole thing about how you are not burdened by the neurosis of writing. I, for those not familiar, was making my paragraphs into like perfect symmetrical rectangles before I gave myself permission to write the next paragraph.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah, it's just hard, Sarah, to escape this notion that there's a gravitational pull on Dillon.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
He tries to leave Youngstown, Ohio, makes it out because Sherman Smith ends up convincing him that Miami of Ohio is the place where Youngstown, Ohio kids can use it as a springboard to go to the NFL, but then the NFL chews him up, spits him out, and he tries to then fight what seems like destiny at this point because where does he wind up after trying to be an educator outside of the football field?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
You, it turns out. I'm seeing you for that. And you have not helped.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Wait, hold on. So as Dillon is like, there's a little swim fan in this, admittedly, a little swim fanning of the National Football League. But this coaching internship with the NFL, with the Seahawks, then serves to get him where as his next stop in college?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
All of which is to say that there is now real pride in Dillon's gravitational field at this point. Dillon has already interned for Pete Carroll with the Seahawks, where his old mentor, Sherman Smith, was on staff and eager to reunite with him before Sherman himself retired from coaching, permanently imprinting Dillon's speeches, by the way, with Sherman's lessons about responsibility.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And now Dillon found himself responsible for the running backs at Pete Carroll's old employer, the University of Southern California, at age 44. not to mention his own biological kids.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And Deland, you should know, had zero idea that this box even existed. And his adoptive mother, at this moment, proceeds to tell him about some other things inside this box that Deland, at age 44, did not know.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And pretty soon it becomes apparent that the only people who could actually answer these questions with any clarity were the parents that D-Lind did not know. And so D-Lind McCullough resolves to find out.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
But then Dylan discovers something crucial. While he was busy coaching running backs, lawmakers in Pennsylvania, it turns out, had finally pushed a thing called HB162 through their legislature. And this was a long, arduous process, but they pushed forward one yard at a time.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Could you give just like the log line of this movie before the thing that we're dancing around?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And in fairness to D-Land, I also had zero idea that adopted children in various states in America prior to HB 162 and various state bills like it were not allowed to view their own birth records. That this was, in fact, illegal until recently. In fact, the only reason I found out about it at all was from talking to D-Land and Sarah and researching this story ourselves.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
So now just try to imagine how Dylan McCullough felt as he sat there waiting at age 44.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah, this is where I just commend Dylan the reporter, by the way, Sarah. Like, you're a good journalist. Like, Dylan just like... He found out, Pablo. Dylan McCullough finds out is an impressive feat. And one, by the way, that I imagine... I'm just trying to put myself in his shoes for a second.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Because this is overwhelming, I must imagine, on some level, to know that his mom was actually around very nearby this whole time.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And the logical next question, obviously, as he continues to find out is, all right, who's my birth dad?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
It's just the sort of twist you dream of, you know? It's just jealousy is what I feel. I feel jealousy. I feel awe. I feel like I'm watching a weird version of The Sixth Sense, in which, you know, Dylan has been seeing his dad the whole time, actually. And that's f***ing wild.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
How does Dillon then tell Sherman what he has found out?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
How long does it take for Sherman Smith, the coach, to become Sherman Smith, the dad? How does the language around that change, given their relationship has been long and intimate, but in this, again, non-biological way?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
I didn't know Dillon before the Super Bowl with the Chiefs, in which it was like, oh, that's the guy who he's been coaching, you know, Damian Williams, where they are just like scampering all over the field.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And so now we're in the present, Sarah, and they have this relationship. They have talked to you about it. You're updating your reporting. What's it been like? What's it been like since they got to have that, I mean, truly cinematic level of embrace?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
At the center of that Venn diagram, along all of these overlapping circles, is at least one dude, in this case, Pete Carroll, who happens to be the guy who employed both of these men as coaches in the NFL. Can you catch us up to just... The unending gravitational field around Dylan McCullough and his life.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And it is funny to hear Dillon tell us about what Pete Carroll had detected back when Dillon was an intern with the Seahawks and Sherman Smith was a coach on the staff. Because Pete Carroll kind of sniffed this out before, you know, the DNA test did.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
So I just need you to know that what we're gonna do with this today might seem like a story about a running backs coach at this point. A coach whose job, if you were not familiar, is basically devoted to teaching a running back how to shrug off and fight off all of the people who are desperately trying to stop them from moving forward as much as one single yard.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah, that's the thing I realized about the way I've been hearing this story up till really now, which is I thought that this was a story about a guy sucked into a gravitational field beyond his control. And then you realize that actually he is the one making these calls himself.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And part of what it is to live in this profoundly, seemingly scripted, unscripted story is that the choices he makes are the ones that bring him back to who he is.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Put that in the trailer. Put that in the trailer for the movie, Sarah. I mean, is it hard to not think about the movie? I mean, look, we talked about managing the surprise and the reveal.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Does Sir Mix-a-Lot know this story? Does he know what you're up to, Sarah?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
So this is where I need to report that I have now spent a chunk of my Memorial Day weekend reaching out to Sir Mix-a-Lot for comment. Comment on whether he does in fact know what Sarah Spain is up to lately with this book, with this story, and also whether Sir Mix-a-Lot is aware that former NFL coach Sherman Smith bought his candy apple red and gold Mercedes.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
and then used it to recruit a running back that Sherman Smith would only realize decades later was actually his baby. A baby he didn't know about. But a baby he got back. I mean, I just want to let that one sit for a second.
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I'm searching for this. And February 3rd, 2020, at Sarah Spain. Don't know what prompted it. Quote, are we talking butts today? Question mark. I'm in. And you replied via quote tweet, we always know we can count on you.
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At the real mix. Winking emoji. But I don't know if that's true anymore, honestly. Because what I'm also here to report is that Sir Mix-a-Lot has not yet gotten back to me. I sent him and his manager a whole bunch of texts over the weekend. I even dialed his hotline per what I thought were very clear instructions. And I got nothing. And so, Sir Mix-a-Lot, you're the end here.
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If you are listening, sir, We have our own hotline, actually, that we would like you to call. So please dial the PTFO tip hotline at 513-85-PABLO. That is 513-85-PABLO. A very real number you can call. And please do get back to us. This has been a lot to find out today, Sarah.
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But this story is about more than that. This story is also about a running back. A running back whose entire identity was a mystery. Because thanks to the laws in our country, as we will discuss, adoption as a concept way too often entails mystery.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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But what we know is that long before Dylan McCullough beat the Niners in the Super Bowl and became a successful NFL coach and also recently agreed to talk to Pablo Torre, finds out, for this episode, as you will hear throughout, he was born and put up for adoption in December 1972.
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And we also know that Dillon's adoptive parents lived in a place that would be economically decimated by the collapse of the steel industry by September 1977, when Dillon was just four years old. And that place was Youngstown, Ohio.
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You know, one of the things that I have to do at the top is say, first, thank you for doing this. Sarah Spain, hello. Yeah. And the other thing is to do a thing that is cruel, which is to say, there is a twist in this story, which we're not going to give away because we're trying to be good at telling stories. But holy f*** it.
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What kind of local DJ are we talking about? What's kind of the affect here for his adopted father?
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So to be very clear in terms of the kind of family that Dylan finds, it is not a football family, right? This is a football story, but not a football family at the beginning.
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And now that story is a book, which is why you are here with us today. It is coming out. It is called Runs in the Family. What's the metaphor that you choose to use to describe the process of birthing this?
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Oh, my God. I'm flabbergasted that Sir Mix-a-Lot is in this story.
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So the idea that, again, you know, Sherman Smith played eight seasons at running back for the Seahawks, was a second-round pick in the 76 draft. was the guy with Sir Mix-a-Lot's car, which is really, like, the first line in any biography we need to give. But, like, how does visiting Miami of Ohio even work?
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Right, and so positionally then, what's the job?
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And presumably, he believes that the coaching staff believes in him. And so Sherman Smith, the coach, his leadership style is best described as what?
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All of which is to say that for Dylan McCullough, who grew up searching for a father figure and never got one, you can guess why this style of coaching felt like more than a cliché.
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Yeah, I should say, I mean, to quote Tony Kornheiser about his own hands, these fingers don't really type anymore.
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But before Dillon ever gets to take a single snap at Miami of Ohio, the same thing that happened with Dillon's biological father and Dillon's adoptive radio DJ father proceeds to happen once again. with his new mentor in college, Sherman Smith leaves.
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Because not long after recruiting Dylan McCullough to Miami of Ohio, Sherman himself got recruited by the University of Illinois, where he would become an assistant coach at a way bigger program in the Big Ten.
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And so as Sherman Smith goes a different way, eventually making it all the way up to the coaching staff of Pete Carroll's Seattle Seahawks, his old team, Dillon McCullough understands, he does, why his new mentor had to go. And while the two of them will stay in touch from afar, Dillon finds himself again back on his own, fighting to push ahead by himself, one yard at a time.
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The Ballad of Saw Man: How to Tear Down (and Steal*) a Goalpost
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The Ballad of Saw Man: How to Tear Down (and Steal*) a Goalpost
And in college, in fact, teardowns like this will happen multiple times on the same Saturday, including on that October day, October 5th, when Vandy upset Alabama and Arkansas also upset Tennessee.
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And none of our correspondents could have been more eager to dive into all of this than Mickey Duge, an animator and documentarian and illustrator who was last seen on this program sharing the story of his secret life as an underdog goth tennis champion.
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because despite what one power conference executive suggested to us, here Pablo Torre finds out, which is that the sport is deeply concerned about, quote, the safety of participants and spectators alike, end quote, this tradition, this subculture, is also an art form, a currently endangered, unhinged art form, about literal unhinging, that some are now daring to preserve.
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It is about the tangible objects that people are striving, whenever possible, to risk so much, it turns out, to acquire and keep for themselves.
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And I don't want to be this guy, but I have to be this guy because you're not going to be this guy, obviously. We are not telling college students who might be listening to this to tear down the goalposts at your local university goalball field. But if they were to efficiently tear down a goalpost... So I can help you.
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I'm just going to stop you and point out that it sounds like you're an instructor in a terrorist training cell.
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The Ballad of Saw Man: How to Tear Down (and Steal*) a Goalpost
What do young people typically screw up when they are trying to tear down a goalpost, given everything you've just laid out?
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I want to point out that this entire time you have been pointing and gesturing and clenching your fist very violently over a bunch of illustrations you've made us very helpfully for this thing we are not telling college students to do once again.
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The Ballad of Saw Man: How to Tear Down (and Steal*) a Goalpost
This is just physics now.
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But as I'm now just processing all this methodology, which I appreciate the detail on, I realize that the part where we get to keep the glory for ourselves has not yet been discussed. And I presume for this part, we're going to need a tool that you haven't illustrated or taught me about yet.
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I had a guess, yeah.
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The Ballad of Saw Man: How to Tear Down (and Steal*) a Goalpost
How does one become Saw Man? Like, what is Ned Vickers' superhero origin story?
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And Ned, again, is somewhere in that teeming mass of people.
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And this is essentially the most valuable pelt that you can take down as a big game hunter.
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I am struck repeatedly by the intentionality of Saw Man and his arsenal here, in deep contrast to Luke, once again, who just seemed to show up in this crowd, deeply disorganized with his classmates, and just generally try to throw this thing in the Cumberland River.
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Right after this ad. You're listening to DraftKings Network. right in front of the glass where our producers are. There's books, there's a racially ambiguous Christmas elf, if you recall last year's Christmas episode. There's a PS5 controller, a microphone. It's really a junk drawer of a shelf. My wife has accused me of, and she called me this yesterday, okay? This is some late-breaking insult.
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Good news for the drunk guy with one shoe. Saw man, as we know, owns more than one saw.
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It is self-destruction. It is your own stadium that you are ruining. It is illegal, highly illegal, objectively dangerous. And you have commemorated this on the sweatshirt you've brought us today in studio.
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A local legend befitting local coverage.
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Happy holidays, the Vickers family. And it is a saw man doing what he loves. They're all elated.
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So we clearly have now, Mickey, thanks to your reporting, the first family of goalpost destruction that I have to personally, for legal reasons again, disclaim because as much as this practice is a family heirloom, much like the goalposts themselves, this DIY dynasty is, in fact, legally a thing that we cannot co-sign officially.
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And where was Sawman?
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There's a certain partisanship in your reporting, I dare say.
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Great parenting. The decision-making, though, does raise this question about the economy around all this, right? Like the goalpost economy, which is clearly something that is of concern to both police helicopters with night vision and also college administrators everywhere.
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The reason that they are concerned from a financial perspective, how much does the thing that Saw Man loves to saw actually cost?
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The Ballad of Saw Man: How to Tear Down (and Steal*) a Goalpost
So for the buyers, not great. But for the sellers, the goalpost industrial complex, that's pretty good business.
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The Ballad of Saw Man: How to Tear Down (and Steal*) a Goalpost
So it sounds like the defense of Sawmen is that Sawmen is actually, in this economy, just a job creator.
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I'm getting a pimp my ride. just sort of aspect to this.
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Right, Georgia Tech.
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Right, and so this new security system, it seems like, worked exactly as advertised.
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And that, by the way, is exactly what happened this past Saturday when Arizona State stormed the field early after upsetting BYU, it turned out, and Oklahoma did the same against Alabama.
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And at both places, you could very clearly see the hydraulic goalposts that Mickey was just describing rotating down to the ground and then immediately become defended by all that security, where they remained intact. And when it comes to the conferences themselves, because you see all these headlines about all of the money that they're fining schools, right? Who are involved in these things.
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I do want to point out that we here at Pablo Torre Fines Out did of course reach out to a top SEC official for comment about this regime of fines. And what they said is that these are field storming fines. The price has in fact gone up in the 20 years since the SEC adopted the policy. We now are at $100,000 for the first offense.
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$250,000 for the second, half a million dollars for subsequent offenses after that. And there's also, just in case you were wondering, an additional $100,000 penalty, Mickey, if fans storm the field before the end of the game.
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I don't like you grabbing the camera.
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I think we should probably go to break.
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I should also say that, again, for just purely self-protective reasons, it is theft, technically.
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So it's time to bring us all full circle here because the last time we talked about Luke, our Vanderbilt friend, he was topless en route to the Cumberland River, tracked by police helicopters using night vision.
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And now we also know, because of your reporting with the Saw family, that Sawboy, son of Sawman, was also there in the milieu, as you put it somewhere, marching down Broadway towards that very same river in question.
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And so the thing that they all hurled into the Cumberland River together, that all-important metal object, when they get dredged from the water, which I presume they did, where did they go?
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Wait, it sounds like the university, the big bad administrator from the top down, they were doing in the end what f***ing Sawman was doing.
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Like I'm doing some basic multiplication. And this sounds like a relative windfall. for one Vanderbilt University.
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I like how you're grabbing cameras. You're summoning Patrick from... Here we go, Pablo.
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Oh, my God. Hold on.
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This would look so good on my wall of tchotchkes that my wife is mad at me for.
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But before we go... That's a real bummer, honestly.
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This is very nerve-wracking to see you continually unveil things I don't know about.
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What is... Okay, so... So a fancy box with a velveteen cushion. Oh, my God.
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So for those not watching on YouTube and the DraftKings Network, you've made a terrible decision today. Mickey is taking a hacksaw to what I now must presume is the upright from a local field near his home in New York. And it says, happy holidays above. And he is grinning like a saw relative if I've ever seen one. I think I have some questions that have been answered.
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When I tell my wife why I'm bringing this home today and what it is, she is not going to find any of this even vaguely funny.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Yes, which is to say that this is an unusually and very special ecstatic revolution that that involves all of this property destruction and theft that you describe. And the crazy thing about this season, of course, is that I believe that this tradition has been clearly the theme of what we've been watching.
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Yes, the Commodores.
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That is also kind to Vanderbilt.
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Which is all to say that Luke's expectations heading into this specific game, October 5th, against Alabama, big bad Alabama, it sounds like they were fairly low.
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Vanderbilt 40, Alabama 35.
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Everyone's storming the field. It's mayhem. What was Luke's plan?
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I just want to point out that Vanderbilt is an excellent university. It's like a really academically rigorous school.
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I am the master of tchotchkes. I think that's great. I agree. I think stuff, objects, physical objects in digital time. Yeah. Mickey, you're an artist. You get it. Big time. This is important. It's important to commemorate our history. in front of us in real life, tangibly.
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The video that we just played. Yeah. I mean, if you zoom in, you can pretty clearly spot... That's topless Luke right there. Hands both stretched into the sky. In a V. Right beneath a clearly tipping over yellow metal upright. I mean... That's forever. That's so good.
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So I was watching from home, and what you see, both online and in the broadcast, you see what reminded me of an army of just completely drunk ants, right? Just like carrying this object that's so disproportionately large, larger than them.
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I'm going to show a video here on YouTube and the DraftKings Network, which I am deeply proud to show everybody. This is from the police helicopter. And it's in night vision.
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I mean... This is an ant farm. Like, this is... Look at... Bikki. How unreal is that? Just so many, just, again, night vision white thermal signatures. Just a crowd of them, all just plunging what is now clearly like the dislocated elbow of an upright into the river.
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But that sort of phenomenon you just described of a transformation, I mean, part of the physical object that we're talking about here, it goes from this thing that is so mundane— it becomes this talisman, this piece of genuinely valuable memorabilia freighted with all of the energy of a night like this that people, as you referenced, proceed to then eventually get a piece of sometimes.
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And so this man, who does sound like he has a plan, what is this man's name?
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Yes, and I would say that the episode we're here to do together is effectively about this concept as embraced by college football.
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So just one basic fact that I would like you to understand here before we proceed is that nobody tears down goalposts after NFL games, which I think says so much about the institution that is college football, a sport where this past Saturday, for instance, Lehigh University doinked their goalpost off a bridge and into their river after beating Lafayette to win the Patriot League.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
This sort of, like, euphemism that was consumptive chic.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Describing the women also applied to what it meant to be a great artist.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Right. There is an American doctor you quote in the book who had called it a disease of the master race.
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Yeah, I mean, it seems like if you're going to track the end of the romance, the romantic era of TB, and it then becoming something that is afflicting infamously the underclass. Right. You're talking about following money.
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You quote in the book, I wonder if you could just read some of Henry's poetry.
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Just the idea that this went from something that was worthy of bragging about by some of the great authors... of our time to then being a thing to truly lament and mourn because it made Henry deeply lonely, let alone, you know, at risk.
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The part of what I'm sensing as the through line between, again, AFC Wimbledon to Henry and Sierra Leone is that this is also a story about class obviously and money and power. And okay, who are we listening to when it comes to people who are saying this is happening to us and it's up?
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Part of the branding problem, as we now turn to the guy who put his logo, again, between the thigh and left buttock. Yeah, right where it belongs. On a soccer short. Part of the branding problem of TV is that it's actually deeply fascinating once you realize how ubiquitous it has been in all of the sort of like movie scenes throughout human history.
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How do you sort of give the elevator pitch for its omnipresence?
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Right. I mean, just briefly, the story I recall from the book is that there was some quote like, look— we're not going to have another attempted assassination.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
John Stetson sounds like a very fake name you would make up for the guy who invented that hat.
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Other names, though. George Orwell.
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But just some more context for the sportsy statistical parts of TB here, right? So when you talk about TB being the number one deadliest infectious disease, the top seed in the March Madness bracket of illness, it's more than malaria, typhoid, and war. Combined. Combined. But you also argue that it's not really caused by the bacteria as much as that is scientifically the answer to that question.
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There's a woman you write about in your book on that note who was in India. Yeah. How do you pronounce her name?
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There's this way that you describe the power of the megaphone that you have, which is, by the way, not a small voice, but quite a large one in as much as we all live in a deeply fragmented world where no one listens or hears. No one has that large of a voice except for Beyonce. That's right. And if Beyonce is listening to this program… She's a friend of the pod.
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We got some shorts that you might be interested in. But you use this analogy to playing Marco Polo for content creation. And as somebody who is also in this... like crazy making game of making content. It just spoke to me in a way that I had been trying to articulate. So could you explain the Marco Polo thing?
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You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. I love this book, by the way. Thank you. I read it. I always have to just like dangle all of the dog ears and the ink. It's burrowed into my head in a way that I want to get to. And by the way, thank you for being here. Oh, my God. This is so cool. I do feel obligated, though, because we are a technically sports show. Yeah, we got to talk about sports.
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You know, part of, I guess, the helpful news bump, but also cruelty of this book. Would have loved for this book to be a little less timely, man. I mean, you emerge after five years of obsession over this subject to discover that this is newsy.
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I mean, there is this larger argument that's going on right now in which you can point out, hey, we are killing children by not supporting programs that have already paid for the things that would keep them alive. Yeah. And the counter argument is we need to worry about ourselves. Right. How do you process that argument?
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And the source of the money John Green was pitching in is just another layer of the absurdity of this larger story we're about to tell you. Because John Green, in case you did not know, happens to be the same John Green who published his fifth novel in 2012, a YA love story called The Fault in Our Stars.
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Yeah, I mean, look, there are just levels to which there is relevance in your book. One of them, of course, has to do with how our health and human services are currently going.
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It's the very premise of inoculation.
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And so I say all of that just to set up this notion that you quote – From the Journal of Cost-Benefit Analysis.
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What, I mean, again, just talk about consumptive chic. The Journal of Cost-Benefit Analysis. They found that every dollar, this is a 2023 paper, Every dollar invested in TB yields 46 US dollars in benefits. Yeah. On top of the fact that you would save, you know, almost 1 million deaths per year. But forget about the deaths.
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Right. And as a byproduct of that, we should also point out that a kid in Sierra Leone, a kid like Henry, is over 100 times as likely to die of tuberculosis than a child born in the United States. Yeah. And so when it comes to how Henry is doing and how he became himself a case study... In modern medicine that we should acknowledge here, what's the state of that union?
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
You know, that book that spent 78 straight weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and also then became a blockbuster hit movie in 2014. And so we're going to get to John's new book, which is staggering and timely and nonfiction in just a second. But it is important for me to note that John Green wasn't using his book money, his fault in our stars money, when he was supporting AFC Wimbledon.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
And I fear now that you've buried the lead. Because Henry is not merely someone who survived years of struggle and pain in that hospital alone. He's a goddamn YouTuber.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Your coaching tree grows, John.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
When I think about what I found out here at the end of the show, I am generally deeply concerned that the incentive structure we've set up on the internet has led to not what you have described here, but the opposite. People who are using their megaphone for genuine, and again, I get it, but just genuine enrichment via supplement promo codes. Right. And everything in that
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Sean was actually using the money he made from his other career, which started way back in 2007 on YouTube.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Yeah. Yeah. John Green, thank you for shining a light on a subject that unfortunately now is also going to be a thing I tell lots of people about whether they like it or not. I love to hear that, man. I love to hear that. As long as they subscribe to my channel.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Sean and his brother Hank have been posting these weekly vlogs every single week for the last 18 years now, building up a channel that's almost up to 4 million subscribers. But to John, who got into YouTube long before there was any advertising revenue in it, his subscribers aren't subscribers. They're members of this community known as Nerdfighteria.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
And Nerdfighteria, whose stated mission is to decrease world suck, has become bonded by inside jokes and live streamed FIFA sessions and these acronyms like DTFBA, don't forget to be awesome, which is a slogan that has since become a logo, a logo for a very real and very cash strapped English soccer team in real life.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
By the way, I have seen you play FIFA.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
FIFA is, to me, the greatest sports video game of all time.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
I am. Many, many are saying, John Green, trash at this thing that generated income that affected soccer in real life.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
ESPN called this transfer, quote, the most unusual transfer in this year's soccer transfer window. I think that's true. The acquisition of Marcus Brown, 25-year-old attacking midfielder, funded by your general enterprise.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
I say all of that to say that what one does with such an audience and with such influence is a question that lots of people across the internet They dream of that question.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
And how you've answered that question is, once again, f***ing absurd. And also, in this case, profound when it comes to the other thing you've devoted now, what is it, a half decade?
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
I want to talk about how you are one of the most absurd characters in professional soccer.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
One through line, though, in those two topics seems to be your obsession. Yeah. Like obsession, I mean that I suppose in some ways clinically, but also actually when it comes to your passion for being consumed by a subject.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
the whole idea of you and English soccer, and how do you tell that story for people who don't know the lore of John Green?
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
I do want to get to how it is that a bestselling novelist ends up devoting five years to a book entitled Everything is Tuberculosis. So how did you fall for this subject?
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
When you describe how your brain personally processes TB, the idea of bacteria. It gives me a window into how it is maybe that you feel that call, particularly acutely.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Could you explain how OCD and how your own reckoning with yourself fits into how it is that you spent all of this time immersed in this?
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Tony Shalhoub, you goddamn liar.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
So this is where, as I'm reading your book and I'm like underlining stuff, I'm like, okay, I'm going to underline a lot here. I should probably just come up with a new strategy for note-taking because some of this stuff reads like crazy sports statistics.
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Like TB regained its status as the world's deadliest infectious disease in 2023.
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After COVID had briefly took over the number one spot, the top seed from 2020 to 2023.
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Okay, before people get worried, man, you guys are going to go really into like the darkest statistics in this book. I also want to point out that this is a story also about branding. Totally about branding.
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Well, I mean, the idea that I'm going to quote you here, what you write in the book, when TB rates declined in the U.S. toward the end of the 19th century, some physicians worried it would harm the quality of American literature. Oh, yeah. No. With one writing, quote, by way of compensation for good health, we may lack certain cultural joys.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
In that sense, TB used to have great branding. I mean, the best branding. I didn't know anything about how tuberculosis was enshrined and in some ways fetishized.
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How John Green Turned Celebrity into Obsessive Optimism
Oh, no, look at some of the paintings you provide in this book. I can see it.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Which means?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I mean, I still, I have a, one of my prized possessions is a tender, juicy hot dogs jersey. Who signed it? So, as you know, Alvin Patrimonio. Truly, like, one of the all-time greats. A four-time MVP. My cousin used to work at Pure Foods, which is why I have said Artifact. But again, tender, juicy hot dogs, maybe a description of a style of play.
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Also, literally, a product you get at the supermarket.
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It does revive me, though. The one PBA game I ever went to in Manila, obviously, was at the Araneta Coliseum. It was the Talking Text Phone Pals. And I had a Spam and Egg Sandwich. And I was just like, this is the dream. What's more Filipino than this?
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So much of the history of globalization in basketball starts with the 92 Dream Team. And it's like, yes, all these NBA stars exported the game by beating the shit out of every other country. And that's how the rest of the world got to love it. But in the Philippines, by the time we get to the 90s and we see, again, this style in bloom, who is coming to mind and what are their nicknames?
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So the Aerial Voyager was one guy. The Skywalker was a separate person, to be clear.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And so when it comes to all of this competition for the eyeballs, the time of the Filipino basketball fan, what is the state of the union for the PBA right now? As they clearly, with all due apologies to Mr. Excitement, are also in need of their own shot in the ass.
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Right. And so that shot, the four-point shot, how does this get implemented? When does this happen? How does it happen?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Wait, hold on. So what about the competition committee equivalent, right? The NBA is a bureaucracy with all of these rulemakers and legislators. The PBA has what as an equivalent?
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So at this point, it's worth mentioning that in the NBA, Rod Thorne, the VP of basketball operations for the whole league, he once said, quote, it would be unbelievable, but you know coaches would go crazy, end quote. And in the PBA, what was the reaction from coaches?
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And it almost... There's a restraint in that.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I just love that that's where Scotty Hobson is, by the way. Tennessee's own Scotty Hobson. I'm like, where did he go? He's in the fucking Philippines.
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But also, like, watching Scotty Hobson casually drain a four, it doesn't seem like the line's far enough.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Oh, I mean, look, the three point line, for those not familiar, it's 23 feet, nine inches, 22 feet in the corners. So like this is, I mean, we're watching three's lamello ball. I mean, all the time pull up from that ball.
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This is kind of a business opportunity for certain players who are like, That's a rule that's made for me. As I'm marveling at watching Scotty Hobson, I'm remembering that Dickie Simpkins used to play in the PBA. Cedric Sabalos at one point was a beer man, I think. He may still be a beer man at heart.
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But the role of what is called the import, Rafe, it's remarkable we've waited this long to say that term of art. But the import in the PBA is a hallowed tradition that I need you to explain to people not familiar.
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Right. But there are rules governing how many of these you can have, right? Because again, Philippine basketball has always been proud of itself.
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Again, average height for a Filipino man is apparently 5'4 and change.
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Which is a very different thing to try and be shorter than you really are.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Yeah, I have computer neck, man. Like, this is just bad posture. What am I going to do?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I should explain. You are more than the novelty white guy who speaks Tagalog. You're the foremost expert on Philippine basketball in America. And that is hard for me to bestow you with because it's just not close. But you wrote the book, Pacific Rims. You hosted the docuseries on at Geo. You've written and talked about this for so long that it's just good to have you in studio, man.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And our guide, our guide to the world of import psychology around the four-point line was a guy that I had forgotten about and has sort of existed in the back of my mind as a basketball fan.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Look at him.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I'm always curious about this. How does that guy who's played, you know, in Israel, in the G League, in Spain, in Australia, how does he wind up in the Philippines specifically?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
He can score. We do have another guy willing to lay down on a table and be measured.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And I just have to clarify that this is not the military defense contractor.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
But the biggest weapon in his arsenal now as a member of this team is the four-pointer. And so how excited is he to, yeah, run and gun with this?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Thank you for being here.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And so George King, uh, king, a boss, all of these things. He is leading the league in scoring. And so this is a guy who clearly seems to be in favor of this rule change.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
But it's worth it. It's worth the attempt. It's worth trying to do it. I mean, the guy was, by the way, trying to do it more than six times a game.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I was talking to Daryl Morey, GM of the Rockets, Sixers, and he pointed out to me that there are two countries in the world where basketball is the most popular sport. It is the Philippines, and it is Lithuania. And in Lithuania, Rafe, the average Lithuanian is kind of built like you, Average six feet tall, at least over 5'11", is the statistic.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I love the idea that George King has become, he's trying to become a historical figure in Philippine basketball.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
So at the very end of the season, what's that feeling like for him as he's trying to figure out his own future?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
If basketball is an entertainment product that is trying to fight for eyeballs and fans, in an era of load management... this is the that you want to see.
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Yes, a political savvy befitting potentially a future senator.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
The average Filipino man, I'm here to inform our listeners, is about 5'4 and change, statistically speaking. But the fact that this is the place where basketball means this much, what's the way that you explain to people how this obsession actually looks?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
We have lots of time to legislate all of these changes. But back here in the United States, Rafe, I did want to point out that we reached out to the NBA to get comment of any kind about the four-pointer. But what the league told us is that their president of league operations now, Byron Spruill, was not available to talk to us because, according to a senior VP at the league office, quote,
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Since there has never been any serious conversations about a four-point shot in the NBA, I don't think it'd be worth your or Byron's time to have a discussion about it, so we'll respectfully pass. I don't think they respect the legacy that George King has been building in the Pacific Theater.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
But I'm also not surprised. You know, people were irate at Antoine Walker 25 years ago, back when he was the only guy in the league shooting that many threes. Now, of course, that number of threes looks quaint in modern basketball. The three is so popular that it's being blamed for a downturn in overall NBA ratings.
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So I cannot be shocked to find out that a four-point line, despite all the free market research the Philippines has conducted for the NBA, isn't coming to the NBA anytime soon. And yeah, that largely unsatisfying sentiment was almost the end of this episode. I would have said a big thank you to Rafe for his reporting, for his level of care when it comes to telling stories about the Philippines.
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And I also would have recognized at the end that Rafe, not unlike George King, is an import. An import who devoted himself to the quest of mastering a new language in a genuinely life-changing way.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Ray Bartholomew, author, Philippine basketball fan, Brad, thanks for doing this, man. Salamat.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And that, I think, would have been a pretty nice dismount. Maybe. But then, late in our production process for this episode, something happened. I made contact, finally, with a long-awaited source. a source whose Tagalog isn't quite as good as Rafe Bartholomew's.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
But I do believe that this source is the only person who could truly complete the arc, the four-point arc, of our international story here. Because while the NBA refuses to be swayed by the PBA's revolution... It was obvious at one point that I needed to talk to you, Antoine. So thank you for taking our call. The quote, at some point a reporter asks you... Why do you shoot so many threes?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And you remember your response? Do you remember your quote exactly?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
It's not just a great quote. It's one of the greatest sports quotes of all time.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
But what a kind of irate and sort of hungover Antoine Walker could have never imagined at that time is that a quarter century after that quote, one of the greatest quotes in sports history, there are actually fours. They just happen to be a few time zones away. Antoine, have you ever been to the Philippines? No. Okay. Do you know anything about the Philippines? Let me ask you that question.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Uh, no. So, okay, this is where I can be of service, maybe. In the Philippines, they love basketball. My family's from the Philippines. I can attest to it. Basketball is basically religion there. In the Philippine Basketball Association, Antoine, which is the second oldest basketball league in the world, they have instituted the four-point line.
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and they've been playing with it all this past season. And they put it at 27 feet out.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
But one day, okay, I don't know when, I don't know how, I'm taking you to the Philippines, and I'm gonna show you this four-point line, and you're gonna tell me, you're gonna stand behind that line, and you tell me then, in that moment, on that day in the future, whether you don't wanna pull up from that four-point line.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
They would love you in the Philippines. For real. They are truly like the most basketball crazed people on the planet.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I'm going to take you on a tour of the Philippines, man. And you're going to feel at home. I guarantee that.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Can I teach you one word of Tagalog, which is the language of the Philippines? The word is mabuhay. And that just means hello. It's a greeting.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Antoine, you're going to be a soap opera star, man. We're going to take you over there. You're going to be in soap operas. And then thank you. Salamat.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
There it is. By the time we go, I'll be a pro. In so many different ways, Antoine. In so many different ways. Antoine Walker, salamat. We appreciate your time.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Ark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
I do want to explain to people right from the start here, it is the second oldest league in the world, which I think is shocking if you aren't familiar with the cemeteries where people are playing basketball and the karaoke machines where they are putting Highlights.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Well, the reason we've been asking you, it turns out, to wake up at 5 a.m. to watch the PBA live for now three months is because there has been a rule change that is a radical innovation that the NBA has been sort of talking about in shadowy, nerdy back rooms for more than a decade now.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And this basketball experiment, which I consider a seminal one in basketball history, has to do with one particular thing.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Four-pointers at 5 a.m. is a hell of a way to wake up.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
So before we travel the world for a very international episode, I did want to begin here at home in America with the greatest quote ever said about the four-point shot, which is not on tape anywhere, unfortunately, but does remain seared into my brain.
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Because back in the early 2000s, a reporter asked the six foot nine Antoine Walker, the Celtics forward, the all-star, the completely unrepentant gunner, why he shot so many threes. To which Antoine Walker replied, quote, because there are no fours. And there aren't.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Still, not in the NBA, even though the topic of the four-pointer has been debated by members of the league's competition committee and the press for years now.
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And while it's true that lots of coaches hate this idea, unsurprisingly, I should point out that in 2015, no less than Phil Jackson, one of the greatest coaches ever, proposed the four-point line a few feet behind the current three-point arc. And that same year, friend of PTFO Tom Haberstroh reported a whole column on ESPN.com advocating for the installation of the four.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And just last month, actually, while appearing on Jason and Travis Kelsey's podcast, Caitlin Clark was asked, quote, What do you think about a four-point line? I love that. Let's do it. That's a great idea. That's actually genius. That is genius. Silver four-point line.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And in fact, the inventor of basketball himself, Dr. James Naismith, pitched the idea of the four-pointer more than a century ago now in order to unclog the lane and make the sport of basketball more exciting, which is a familiar business concern a century later.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And yet the oldest professional basketball league in the world, in all of its bureaucracy, was never bold enough, never crazy enough to rectify Antoine Walker's State of the Union. There are no fours. But the second oldest league in the world, which turns exactly 50 years old this year, absolutely was, it turns out.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
And yes, this was kind of a basketball midlife crisis, you could argue, but all of it makes all the more sense once you understand the history, the physical artifact, to be more specific, that Rafe Bartholomew has imported into our studio here today. So before we get to the four-point line and that rule and its impact on the PBA and therefore the NBA, you brought something for us.
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And I've been resisting just like spending all day paging through it. Describe it for the audio audience, please. Sure.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
What does your dad think of your expertise in Philippine basketball?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Disco in the Philippines is a thing.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Bellbottoms. Bellbottoms.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
So if you were to explain how it is that the Philippines got a professional basketball association that is now this year, 50 years old, the second oldest in the world, I keep on saying this. How do you explain how that came to be?
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Well, he played ball.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
So, like, that part, I think he understood.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Yeah, you can look and find political cartoons from that era of McKinley basically, like, allegedly educating and civilizing the savages. Right. America's pillaging of the Philippines and the reshaping of the country was traumatic and also... The reason why basketball is beloved.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
Yeah, why my name happens to be Pablo Torre, for those wondering.
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Freedom of the Four: We Tracked a Radical Experiment in Basketball Nirvana
We have to explain the fact that you are, in fact, a soap... You're a soap opera star, Rafe.
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Unfortunately.
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So when it comes to the PBA and its founding in 75 and this yearbook, which you brought us again, the black and white, beautifully yellow and heavy cardstock. Like when you when you go back to that era, what is the level of awareness of like what else is happening in global basketball at that time?
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Titled?
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Some of the team names are still some of the all-time great, just like cultural artifacts in basketball history. Start with the Beermen.
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A Content Carol with Miserable Pablo Torre
Willkommen bei Pablo Torre Finds Out. Ich bin Pablo Torre und heute werden wir herausfinden, was dieses Geräusch ist.
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Big Ed ist, als ob ein Cartoon-Charakter, der auf den Kopf geboppt wurde und seinen Kopf in seinen Körper gedrückt hat, seinen Kopf wieder aus seinem Körper gebracht hat. Er hat keine Nacken mehr.
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It's a clip. Do not show this. Do not call for this clip.
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Yeah! Let's go. I've never heard Vanderpump Rules pronounced like a call to arms.
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January 30th. Season 11. ist der Anfang von Saison 11. Und wenn du die vorherigen zehn Saisons summierst, für jemanden, der es noch nie gesehen hat, aber sicherlich auch Lisa Vanderpump gehört hat, die, wiederum, ein autogenerierter Name scheint, You would say that I have missed what?
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I've made it. I've almost made it, I should say. I've almost made it to 2024 without knowing what the scam, Scandival? Scandival. Of course, Skandoval.
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I don't actually get any of it. What should I know? About Skandoval?
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You're telling me that the true meaning of Christmas is that a dude without a neck who puts mayonnaise in his hair, who got into a legal quote-unquote relationship with a woman from the Philippines.
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The star in the north that I should be following towards the manger of Christmas cheer.
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Well, it's also the sound of someone knocking on the door.
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And I cannot imagine how we could possibly improve on what it is that I've been finding out so far.
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We work in an office. People can wander by and hear something that they vehemently object to. Apparently in the spirit of Christmas.
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It's a show where a bunch of people who are insane do insane things.
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So I will love though. I should say that there is like a holiday spectacular vibe to that. It's like all the people that you've seen gather in one place to do something special.
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Did you guys, to what extent did your parents go through with Santa, the performance of Santa?
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Ich habe die ganze Sache von Keksen am Morgen, die von ihnen getrunken wurden, eine Note mit Pennemannschaft, wie, weißt du, eine kurlige Kalligrafie eines Santa Claus Manners. Die ganze Sache, wie Milch, Glas... Meine Eltern haben die ganze Sache durchgemacht.
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Das ist wirklich cool, Cortez. Danke. Du bringst uns deine Katalogierung von den Liedern der populärsten Weihnachtszeit.
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Ja, ich habe auf Cortezs Computer-Screen geschaut. Es war nur... Es war nur fucking iTunes. Es war wie 90-Day-Fiancé-Cheaters.
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Also habe ich nicht verstanden, wie das nicht eine Top-10-Liste ist.
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Very confusing list. Okay, no, this makes sense. Songs that have the behavior of Christmas songs and Christmas songs. It's the difference between being a racist and someone who's doing racist things.
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They all sound the same. This is confusing to me. Fly me to the moon. New York, New York, I have heard at the conclusion of every Yankee game I've ever been to. I've never once thought, this is the spirit of Christmas.
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Nummer zwei hat einen niedrigen Garten. Nummer drei, wir können alle zusammen sagen, viel Kleidung. Ja. Okay.
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Did you just google Christmas-related words into a song, into lyrics A to Z? Maybe. Very good.
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This is definitely a... I can't even say it's definitely a Christmas episode at this rate. So this song is about...
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So this feels like this is the Die Hard is a Christmas movie of Christmas songs.
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Er hat Alice in Chains gehört, bevor dieses Video begonnen hat.
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Großartiges Film. Ich habe es noch nie gesehen.
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Ich empfehle es sehr. Das ist der Song, in dem der echte Villain das Wetter ist. Ja. Hast du das schon gesehen? Wie die Wolken aufstehen?
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The Day After Tomorrow. Das ist nicht, worum die Lied ist, was du sagst.
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This is sad, this song. Not your list. Although, when you burnt your hair and knocked over chairs, I just tried to stay out of your way. But when you fell asleep with blood on your teeth, I just got in my car and drove away. So I've been trying to explain hopefully at the end of this episode what Christmas means to my three-year-old. Oh.
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So I don't know if Violet's going to necessarily appreciate the nuances.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on. Is Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree public domain? Sing it, don't be a coward.
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The Boss. The Boss. I respect this choice. Thank you.
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I am mad that he's actually good at singing.
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Ja, Shane McGowan. Ich habe ein Video von seinem Feierabend-Roll gesehen.
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Und sie haben Fairytale of New York gespielt und ich habe mir legitimiert gefeuert.
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Ist das nicht The Pogues von Outer Banks, einem Netflix-Reality-Show? I don't know what you're talking about, but I feel confident in saying the answer is no.
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That is not how they spell it here. It's close. It is, I guess, technically close. What's number one?
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want to be cynical about this choice because in some ways it is the most obvious choice. But listening to that song does make me feel things.
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Oh God, enough with Taylor Swift. You know this song though.
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The snow's coming down. Christmas. I'm watching. Oh, is that not it? That is not all I want for Christmas is you. What am I singing? Oh, I'm feeling different feelings.
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Oh, shit! I was singing Christmas Baby Please Come Home, also by Mariah Carey. Oh.
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Yeah. Yeah, that was embarrassing for your boy. We need to find a song we can play in full. We have the rights to.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about this?
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It gets drunker from there. Spoiler alert.
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So I usually know what's happening on my own show.
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The Mariah Carey of Metal Ark Media.
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So, as I sit at my keyboard contemplating the meaning of Christmas, the meaning of the holiday season, I should say even more specifically as a buffet Catholic who does, I guess, consider the technical definition of Christmas an open and shut matter. It's the birth of Jesus Christ. I realized that the meaning of the season... Isn't actually up to me.
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I've sort of misinterpreted this whole exercise. I realize now because it's clear having talked to Cortez and Charlotte that Christmas is a social holiday. What does this mean? It means that it is up to the people around us to tell us what it means to them or to show us.
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Denn was wir in dieser Weihnachtszeit tun werden, was wir hoffentlich bereits gemacht haben, ist, andere Leute zu genießen, etwas zu genießen. Was in den heutigen Tagen so ein rarer Geschenk ist. Oder vielleicht immer, alle Tage. Denn es ist eine verschlüsselte Möglichkeit, andere Leute zu genießen, etwas zu genießen.
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Also, wenn du tatsächlich noch nicht auf YouTube oder der Draftings-Network schaust, solltest du wissen... Was du schon schaust. ... dass dieses Studio so aussehen soll, als hätte es es noch nie gesehen. Es ist voller Weihnachtsfeier. Es sieht unglaublich aus. Das meine ich... Es ist Schnee hinter dir. Es ist Schnee hinter mir. Wir sind beide... Ich habe festlich zum Dressen verabschiedet.
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Ob es die Musik ist, der Break von der Arbeit, die Realität, die verdammte Realität, die sie zu sehen haben. Andere Leute machen dieses Jahr so wunderschön. Und auch für uns, die alleine sind, wie viele von uns, macht es es auch so schwer. Weil es eine soziale Weihnachtszeit ist, um andere Leute zu genießen, die Weihnachtszeit zu genießen.
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Es ist ein bisschen tautologisch, aber ich denke, es ist auch der Punkt. Und so, was bedeutet Weihnachten für mich? Ich sollte wahrscheinlich eine weitere Person fragen, eine weitere Suche, um mir zu sagen, was sie denken. Was ist dein Name? Du musst dich vorstellen. Violet.
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Drei. Und was bedeutet Weihnachten?
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That's right. And Violet's favorite part of Christmas is... The trees. The trees.
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Don't say it. Whispering it still means you're saying it. Merry Christmas! And whatever holiday you are celebrating this time of year, thank you for enjoying it with us. Thank you to Bouchambi, the greatest voice in baseball, for being the voice at the top of the show for our Christmas poem. Thank you to the staff of Pablo Torre Finds Out, the greatest staff in sports podcasting.
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Because I could not do this without Michael Antonucci, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rachel Miller-Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Studio Engineering, of course, by RG Systems, post-production by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, by John Bravo.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Ark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Ich möchte anzeigen, dass meine Lieblingsdekoration, die ich gerade wirklich bemerkt habe, ist, dass auf meinem Mikrofon ein Elf von ambiguistischer ethnischer Herkunft ist. Ich denke, das soll ich sein.
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I found out that Ryan Cortez's favorite TV shows make me feel the way that Phoebe Bridgers songs sound.
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I am off of, I am like not shampooing my hair anymore.
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Was sagst du, was du nicht machst? So I am washing it, but not shampooing it. Not like putting soap in it.
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You're not washing it. You're just watering it. I think we're not agreeing on what wash means.
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Dein Haar sieht großartig aus. Danke. Es ist glatt, es sieht gesund aus.
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Du tust einen Haarschnitt alle drei Wochen?
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Oh, viel mehr Vitamin D hat dieser Elf. Aber ich habe Kortez erzählt, dass die Grund, warum wir das tun, ist, dass Christabend kommt. Und ich bin der Nose-to-the-Podcast-Grindstone, so weit, dass die Leute in diesem Büro fürchtet, dass ich nicht verstehe, was Christabend bedeutet. You don't. And that you apparently... That's what I'm here for.
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Probably not gonna do that. Probably gonna do it less. Just to spite you now. Gross. Most iconic haircuts, go. Meg Ryan. Yep. Jennifer Aniston, Friends.
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Like the flat top? Like the one with the chain? Or like standing with a fanny pack? Barry Melrose? Yo, let me tell you something. Good hair? Barry Melrose ain't shampooing shit.
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We're gonna find out how often Barry Melrose shampoos this year. The answer is zero times a year.
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Ich weiß nicht, ob es zwei verschiedene Barrys gibt. Wer ist Barry Manilow?
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Er ist ein Musiker. Wer ist Barry Manilow?
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Ich werde dir etwas sagen. Ich habe Barry Manilow auf YouTube veröffentlicht. Weißt du, was das Autocomplete war?
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Welche Runde denkst du, dass Barry Manilow ist?
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It is an old name, but we digress. He is 80 years old. Yo, he looks like Bon Jovi. Is he Martin Short? He looks like a Martin Short character. Martin Short and Bon Jovi. That's actually pretty dead on. I nailed it. The words that come up when you autocomplete Barry Manilow. Barry Manilow Christmas songs. Oh!
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Like Barry Melrose and Barry Manilow.
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What I'm about to find out today is Ryan Cortez's Guide to Christmas. That's right. What is your Christmas like?
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Ich weiß fast nichts. Ich glaube, die Realität TV, die du liebst. Meine Frau Liz wird die Real Housewives sehen. Das ist ihr schuldiges Vergnügen. Wenn sie das macht. Welche Stadt schaut sie? What are the choices?
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I didn't realize that there was a global operation of Housewives.
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So on the outside looking in, are these reality programs? That's right. I'll give them to you quickly. These better be holiday spirited.
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What is the difference between summer house and winter house?
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So the only difference is that sometimes it's a hot tub and sometimes it's a pool.
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I hear you talk about Love is Blind, a show I've never seen all of the time.
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Es gibt eine sehr faszinierende Wahrheit dazu, wie sehr du dich interessierst, ob diese Leute wirkliche Gefühle für einander haben.
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So just to be clear. It's an incredible show. Your lead story for Selling Sunset. Is that they're short kings. Is that short guys date tall women. Short kings. We're short kings for life.
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And you love it. And I am prophesying that you're a moron.
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It's so good. So just to be clear again, I'm going to be waking up on Christmas morning and Violet, my three-year-old, is going to be like, Dada, Christmas. And I'm going to say, come sit next to me on the couch. We're watching Love After Lockup.
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Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017
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Ich kann die Schöpfung deines Herzens erkennen. Ich bin enttäuscht von dieser Theorie. Also Schöpfungen.
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What was that voice? Don't worry about it. Is that a nautical seafarer voice that you just tried? Captain, dock the ship. What was that? Don't worry about it. Russell Crowe in Master and Commander?
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Wie hast du Zeit, das zu machen? Du helfst diesem Show. Und du hörst Andy Cohens Podcast über ein Show, das du auch siehst.
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Weil du magst, dass das Boot schäkert?
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Ist es besser, im Exterieur oder im Interieur zu sein?
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So we worked on like a half dozen shows together, right? High Noon, Highly Questionable, Levitard Show, Debatable, This Show. Anyway, the point is, I've been in many sort of like workplaces with you and 90 Day Fiancé. Comes up a lot, right? If I were to generate a word cloud of the things that you and I have talked about against my will, Wow. Obviously Miami Heat, one million point font.
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999,000 point font is this shit. 90 Day Fiancé. Yeah, the premise of this.
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Hör auf zu schreien. Ich habe nur gesagt, interessant. Was du nächstes Mal sagst, hör auf zu schreien.
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Hold on, I'm gonna guess that things go off the rails.
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Das ist der rare Short King, den du nicht besuchst.
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Alright, we're gonna put this on YouTube in the DraftKings Network. I don't know how to say this. He's built like a Russian nesting doll.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I just turned 81. 81 with all of the gyration, all of the gyration of Jagger.
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I want to make this even more specific and relevant to your personal experience in your state because the controversy, which feels like it's underselling it at this point, let's call it something closer now that we're in vocabulary mode, the extortionary dynamic
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the mafioso dynamic of what it's like when the president is threatening the governor of your state about the trans athlete problem and how that is now this cudgel he is using to demand not just fealty, but also the conditions he needs to give you the public programs that your people normally deserve.
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Oh, my God. I thought you were a Commanders fan, but now I'm going to clip that and get you in trouble.
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He caught himself and said, we are the law. He stopped himself before he officially quoted Judge Dredd. Correct.
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You know how the media works. We're aggregating this. We're getting in trouble with everything.
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But it is worth noting, of course, that the latest reason that independent Senator Angus King has broken out his vegematic cucumber slicer, even beyond the tariffs and also Elon Musk and his Department of Governmental Efficiency, came about last month with the rarest of things, an admission of error. from the Trump administration itself.
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American politics is in trouble. And it's the bad kind of trouble, by the way. The kind where your timeline is just drowning in these fake sports fans and also crypto scams and this president that so many powerful people are very conspicuously afraid to even slightly criticize. And so what we here at PTFO wanted to do today was find that rarest of things in modern American politics.
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I'll bring my personal experience into this a bit too. My parents are from the Philippines. I'm the first one in my family born in the U.S. Birthright citizenship, man. Well, the conditions that you're describing... Senator, they remind me of the third world. And this is not merely a hypothetical comparison.
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It is truly something that I see in the news as our foremost ally seems to be a man who calls himself literally the world's coolest dictator in El Salvador. And when it comes to that part, when it comes to are we exporting our problems to El Salvador and their terrorist prison camp?
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Are we importing their principles? Exactly right. This is the argument that I've been trying to make. All of this feels like so clearly, objectively un-American to me. And that's even if you agree that we should deport Americans. people that we should have a debate around trans athletes. It's merely about how we have the conversations through our system. And that's what's un-American.
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It's not the outcome that is bothersome, even though I might disagree. It's the utter trashing of the process again. And so when you say, we'll see you in court,
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I'm just worried now more than ever, Senator, and I wonder how you feel about this, that the judiciary itself is a norm, meaning it relies upon the respect of certainly the administration, but all of us, every American, in order to actually have power,
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a genuinely independent politician, and a real sports fan, ideally, who'd be willing to take us inside the halls of power. The halls of no less than the United States Senate, to be specific, the Hotel California of American democracy, where so many senators are prisoners there, it would seem, of their own device.
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When you talk about returning to Congress, physically now just showing up to work, knowing that these are the ways in which you have an uphill battle, does that suck? Does it suck to wake up and go to work and just be like, time to not roll this boulder up this hill?
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The fundamental question I ask myself all of the time, and maybe it's the most useless question I'll ask you today, Senator. Is this malice or is this incompetence?
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But luckily, the sitting senator that we found from Maine at age 81 could relate to exactly how I feel.
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When you see the people who do know better, right, malice or incompetence, let's just grant, there are lots of senators. It's a hard place to get into. It's a hard room you're in, a hard inner sanctum to access. There are people who know better. What's it like to see them every day, body language-wise? Do they betray any notion that they are risking all of the things that you see at stake?
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Yes, self-interest.
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As much as this administration is operating with a degree of ahistorical fraudulence, they are living in the most perfect time to do so in.
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And so Angus King did it. He set his sights on a brand new job, governor of Maine, and won. And yet the most striking aspect of his political perspective here for our purposes today, I would argue, is his party loyalty. Because Angus King doesn't have any. He is, very authentically, neither a Democrat nor a Republican.
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Yeah. Even the very basic fact of how many illegal immigrants... Are there? J.D. Vance is on Twitter saying 20 million. Of course, there are few, few places, serious places that will come anywhere close to that estimate when it comes to the fourth estate, by the way. Just to mention us gasbags in the media, of course, the tribe to which you used to belong. Another would-be check on the powers.
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graduate. You know what? You're so right. You're so right. You're an inner circle, inner sanctum gas bag, Senator. I just like to imagine you as a guy who has so many takes on sports that you were hoping to get off on a sports adjacent show like mine. So many takes, by the way, that I presume you want to get off in the halls of Congress.
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In various capacities, I imagine you'd love nothing more than to talk about Cooper Flagg. And meanwhile, all I can think about listening to you give us a helpful civics lesson is that I used to consider I grew up considering, without question, the United States as a fundamentally great organization. And now I do worry that we are the Washington Wizards.
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You know, maybe the better metaphor is the team owned by a guy who ran a building that had literal sewage spilling out of the pipes on occasion, as the aforementioned football team had.
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Senator Angus King, what I'm hearing you say is that much like the man you put at the center of your syllabus, you would like everybody in the halls of power, in the Senate, to just do their job.
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Bill Belichick, I seldom quote him when it comes to constitutional crises, but with you today, Senator, I find myself doing a lot, including reflect upon how I often think of my show as a way, as an excuse to melt some cheese on vegetables for people, to get them nourishment, but to put it inside of this delicious casing. And what I realized is that sometimes
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You just got to go to the vegetables themselves.
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Oh, God, get him out of here. Can we get the senator? I'm reclaiming my time, Senator. I'm reclaiming my podcast. The Mick Jagger of senators. It's been a pleasure.
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But something you should know is that while Angus King has voted no on 14 different Trump cabinet appointees, as he did, for instance, with former wrestling promoter and our current Secretary of Education, Linda McMahon, he did vote yes on seven of Trump's picks, like Secretary of State Marco Rubio, which is to say that Senator King is not some categorical never-Trumper.
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And so I just needed to highlight another line on his resume here, a line we found on a physical piece of paper, actually, from a course he taught entitled Leaders and Leadership at Bowdoin College in Maine in the spring of 2005, exactly 20 years ago now. And this line on Angus King's syllabus simply read, Belichick and Parcells.
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Before we get you going on all your sports takes, because I know, by the way, I know you got Cooper flag takes, right? The son of Maine about to go and become the number one pick in the draft and possibly going to Washington, by the way, becoming a wizard, which is a cruel fate. I think we can all agree. Senator?
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This (Independent) Senator Has a Warning. Who Will Listen?
But in terms of the, by the way, the shifting allegiances, the reason why I'm going to cut you off from you going all PTI on me is because we're at this moment where leadership is not merely abstract. It is actually quite concrete and actually quite imminent. And so when it comes to the area of study that you are most passionate about, I think, the reason I really called you today, which is to say,
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what executive power looks like in the context of our constitution. Can you just state as plainly as you can, as an independent, what you see the landscape being right now as I talk to you?
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This (Independent) Senator Has a Warning. Who Will Listen?
Oh, wow. Oh, hold on. For those not watching on YouTube, get to YouTube and watch the Vegematic in full clarity.
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This (Independent) Senator Has a Warning. Who Will Listen?
You want to see that again? I wish I could do it in slow motion. Oh, we'll slow it down in post. And if you've never seen a Vegematic before, this device from 1963, it is made of white plastic, has a sharp metal grate, and you put the vegetable over the grate, you slam the thing down on the top, hit that lever, and out come, on the other side, the separation of powers, as it were.
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Oh, Senator, you know what? The energy I have for you remains, remains at maximum capacity, just to be very clear.
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Oh, wait a minute. Let me... I think that's, will that be, is that better? Oh, look at that. Senator, how old are you, I guess, before I pay you the compliment I want to pay you to get going here?
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not to be all highfalutin John Rawls, but the whole idea of what are the rules here, irrespective of whether, to now torture the historical reference he made to the Roman Empire, irrespective of whether the Romans, the people are chanting, we want Barabbas. Right. Irrespective of whether the people are demanding something, we have a set of rules.
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And so how how dire, Senator, I guess, is my question here. How does this compare to America's history? How dire the situation is that you see before you right now?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Ja, das war am 11. August 2023. Sie haben endlich den großen Fernando Valenzuelas-Jersey verabschiedet. Heute sind wir hier, um die Nummer 34 des Fernando Valenzuelas zu verabschieden.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
It speaks though to how crazy I imagine your life must have been since November.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Aber etwas mehr als ein Jahr danach, ein Jahr nach Fernando Valenzuelas Jersey-Retirement-Zeremonie, am 22. Oktober 2024, wurden die Headlines in Nordwest-Mexiko und Süd-Californien über eine andere Art von News dominiert.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Fernando Valenzuela was just 63 years old when he died of septic shock in Los Angeles. Right before the start of one of the most highly anticipated and highly rated World Series in recent baseball memory.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
And when it came time for the Dodgers to figure out how to honor the most celebrated, most popular, most impactful player in their franchise's history, before a game that everybody, by the way, in Los Angeles was absolutely gonna watch, team officials orchestrated one moment that was meant to be.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
To honor Fernando Valenzuela, who is truly one of the most important players in the history of sports in America. Did you know which song you wanted to start with?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Dara, du hast Kendrick Lamars neues Album aufgerufen. Und die erste Stimme, die du hörst, ist nicht Kendrick Lamar, sondern du.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
I was gonna say, that was painful for me. New York, New York, fun. Es ist schmerzhaft für mich, aber jetzt, dass ich die Hintergründe verstehe, ist es schwer, nicht für dich zu reiten, Thera. Ich meine, in irgendeinem Sinne ist das auch ein Traum. Okay, so there is another angle to this completely surreal story that we've been reporting that I cannot help but be curious about.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Especially from Deira's perspective. Because this part of the story, first of all, is currently moving its way through the court system as we speak, culminating in what should be a historic moment in popular culture at the Super Bowl next month.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Und auch, weil Dara Barrera, eine Frau, die von ihrer Mutter gelernt hat, wie sie singt, in dieser kleinen, kleinen Stadt in Mexiko, implizit in einem außerordentlich öffentlichen und extrem nordamerikanischen Art von Feud aufgehoben hat.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Und ja, ich wollte nur wissen, im Allgemeinen, hättest du Drake vs. Kendrick gefolgt, bevor du ein Kollaborator von Kendrick wurdest?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Und das hat mir eine andere Frage gestellt. Über die Konversation, die Dara Barrera mit Kendrick Lamar in seinem Camp hatte, als sie sie, einen echten Außerirdischen des Genres, für das erste Mal in ihr berühmtes privates Studio gebracht haben.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Das Beginn von Wacked Out Murals, die erste Liste dieses Albums, kann du die Wörter, die du da singst, übersetzen? Ich fühle deine Präsenz hier.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Es klingt, als würdest du weinen.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Erinnerst du dich, als du das erste Mal erkannt hast, dass du tatsächlich der erste Sound auf GNX wirst?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Mariachi, dass Mexiko so ein enormes Teil von Los Angeles ist, was für jede mexikanische Person oder jeder, der in Los Angeles ist, offensichtlich ist. Los Angeles ist 50 Prozent hispanisch. Und yet people are sort of realizing now, for real, like, wait a minute, Kendrick picked this mariachi singer and now they're realizing the history that you guys share culturally.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
How do you describe what you were doing before that album?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Etwas, was ich nicht genossen habe, aber ich habe ein bisschen Forschung gemacht, wie viele Lieder ein guter Mariachi wissen muss. Weil es ist, wiederum, du spielst jeden Art von Event, glücklich, traurig, Feierabend, Feierabend. Also, wie viele Lieder würdest du sagen, du weißt?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
You mentioned Celia Cruz before, and I was like, okay, so she obviously knows Guantanamera.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
I would love nothing more, Dara, than that specific thing.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Oh my gosh. It's such a beautiful song. Oh wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got one more. Do you know any Sinatra? You gotta know some Sinatra.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
I did it.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Was wünschst du dir für Mariachi als Musikform?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
I want to see you play the Super Bowl, Dara. I want you to be there. I want you and Kendrick to be there in New Orleans for the Super Bowl. We're praying together. This is what we're doing. Yeah, I have this mirror.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
My way. Alright, so the episode isn't over yet. Thank you for sticking around. And the reason I'm still here is because I want you to know that after my conversation with Dara several weeks ago now, her life did turn back to relative normalcy. She was still working every single weekend at quinceañeras and parties and restaurants. But then the LA fires broke out.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
And they were close enough that Dara could see the flames from her own front door, not far from Altadena. And that night, she told us, felt like a horror movie. Her home ultimately wound up being okay, thankfully.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
But her clients, the people who had just been marveling, as we had discussed, at having this woman from the Kendrick Lamar album in front of them, performing privately for them, they weren't all as lucky. And all of them began canceling their parties altogether. Because, of course, of course, they had to do that.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Which is how, the other night, Deira found herself at the seafood restaurant where she regularly performs. And a customer approached and asked the human jukebox, that is Deira Barrera, to sing a song called A Mi Manera. oder, wie es in Englisch bekannt ist, mein Weg.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
How has the quinceañera business been since you debuted on GNX?
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Und das war genau so, wie sie uns gesagt hat, dass sie es würde. Sie begann zu weinen. Sie fragte uns über die Unverletztheit des Verlustes. Sie fragte uns über die Feuer, über Fernando, über ihre Nachbarn, über Los Angeles, über ihre Mutter, die sie in erster Linie mit Musik lehrte. Und ja, Schmerz und Glück. Schmerz und Glück.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media Production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Es ist etwas, was mich fragt, wie Kendrick Lamar dich im ersten Platz entdeckt hat.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
You know, when I told Deira Barrera, today's guest, that I'd been listening to her music while walking all around New York City at the top of the show, I wasn't referring to her music with Kendrick Lamar on GNX. What I was referring to was her earlier catalogue. The kind of stuff that you're hearing underneath me right now.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Das habe ich nur herausgefunden, weil Kendrick, der im Halbzeit-Show bei Super Bowl 59 spielt, in dem Fall, dass du es nicht gehört hast, sie herausgefunden hat.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Dara Barrera, wie Kendrick, lebt und atmet und enthält die Stadt Los Angeles. Die Stadt ist auf Feuer. In einem Land, in dem der neu inaugurierte Präsident jetzt massiv deportiert wird, zurück zu dem Ort, von dem Dara ursprünglich stammt.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Und der Fakt, dass all das passiert, während Dara endlich einen plötzlich prosperierenden zweiten Akt in ihrer Karriere genießt hat, auf weniger als drei einzelnen Tracks auf dem größten Album des Jahres, um 49 Jahre alt, war es wert, darüber herauszufinden. I had questions for a person that I had absolutely heard, but knew very little about at this point.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
And it turned out to be a story about sports and family and this musical genre, which is resonating uniquely, I think, at this moment. Because mariachi can feel like the saddest thing you've ever heard, but also the happiest.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
It is a rare thing to have a genre that can be played in the opposite parts of the emotional spectrum.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Yes, yes, you can now be on a song, reincarnated, about Tupac.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
You can be on the closing track of GNX, Gloria.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
By the way, I listened to you on La Voz.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Goosebumps.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Okay, okay. This is really cool for me to have you on the show, Deira Barrera, because, you know, I've been walking around, I live in New York City, and I've been walking around listening to your music for a couple weeks now. You've been the soundtrack to my everyday life.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Aber wenn es darum geht, warum diese Geschichte wirklich eine Sportgeschichte ist, sollte man wissen, dass derjenige, den Deira Barrera am amtlichsten erkannt hat, der Athlet in seinem eigenen Weg verantwortlich war für Kendrick, der Deira erstmals entdeckte. Eine echte Los Angeles-Legende namens Fernando Valenzuela.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
And I need the kids out there to understand this part. Because he was a left-handed pitcher who would kick his leg high into the air and gaze up towards the heavens before throwing a screwball that seemed to defy physics. And maybe that alone would be charming.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
But the guy also was the first and only player in the history of baseball to win the Rookie of the Year Award and the Cy Young Award for Best Pitcher in All of Baseball in the same year, 1981. Which was also, by the way, the same year that he won the World Series with the Dodgers. And all of it was simply known as Fernando Mania.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
And eventually, in retirement, a radio announcer. Working up in a booth at Dodger Stadium, commenting on the games with his partner in Spanish. But before all of this, and here's the part that was key to Fernandos lore in Southern California, Er und seine Eltern, die Landwirte waren, lebten in einer Stadt von rund 500 Leuten im nordwestlichen Staat von Sonora, Mexiko.
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Eine Stadt namens Echahuaquila. Eine Besucherin von einem lokalen L.A.-Affiliaten Described this way.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
A future singer named Deira Cornejo Barrera who just happened to be born nearby.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
Your English is beautiful so far.
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Her Way: How an Obscure Mariachi Singer Went from Quinceañeras, to the World Series, to Kendrick Lamar
I want to explain Fernando Valenzuela to people who maybe aren't as familiar with baseball. He's somebody that my friend Bill Plaschke, who writes for the LA Times, called the most celebrated Dodger, the most popular Los Angeles Dodger ever, the most impactful Los Angeles Dodger ever.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
Well, your, I mean, statistical memory bank, which is, I believe, underrated and undercover when it comes to just stuff that you've retained. I'm curious if you retain the vibe of this.
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You sound like you've been hosting this show for a long time.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
No, but I see a level of confidence.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
But you're going for it. I'm going for it. This is a 24-year-old going for it, knowing that this at bat, in which, by the way, the rules of this insane television show must be explained to people who perhaps are tuning in for a post-Super Bowl analysis.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
Yeah, you were like Ruth Bader Ginsburg in your school yearbook photos.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
It's a time machine back to 04 also in which I'm like, oh my god. By the way, the topics…
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So just to get a sense of what the show is, it's fast. Oh, that's high octane. It's a lot of voices. And if you're not already versed in the rhythm and just how to sort all that in your head, it's scary to 99.9%.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
And also, everybody on screen, you can hear it, let alone see it if you're just watching or listening. It feels like this is very important to them.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
The ratings, by the way, have been great for 20 years.
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but also the energy is fundamentally contagious. If you, the host, are setting the pace at a certain level and everybody is trying to fit in, the natural human instinct is a bit of like the sympathetic nervous system is, man, we are after it right now. And by the way, It proceeds.
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The day after a thing that, by the way, to fast forward to the present tense for a second, that story and who's responsible and Justin Timberlake finally owning up to any amount of it, it took decades.
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I want to go to Showdown. Because I want to see what that was like.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
Shaq, we're on live. I know.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
You know, I hadn't heard you say all of that. And of course you would. Yeah. Because you give more time to sports fans, strangers, than any person I've ever met.
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I want to actually ask about that, about looking ahead to the last show, how vividly you are trying to imagine it. Are you trying to imagine what it's like to be you that day?
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I am one of those people just because I know your approach is going to be with the energy level that was established on that show that we relived. And it's also, of course, something that if I had ever...
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faced what you are dealing with which is basically saying goodbye for months to something yeah yeah that's an odd feeling isn't it everybody who does this show is blown away most by the people who come up and talk to you about it still yeah that's their point of reference on you because one of the things you can't recreate at this time in human history is
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What I want us to recognize is that what you oversaw is something that is so different massive in ways that cannot be replicated today by anything that replaces it, A, and that we need to acknowledge that as much as you can measure it online in ratings, it's the human
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of this person who devotes their life to editing the Wikipedia page, the people that stop you on the street still today, that will stop you on the street without knowing that the show is gone. And you know that's coming too. I know that's coming too, yeah. Right? And this is the collected audience that can only come around when you've hosted anything 4,953 times. Yes, yeah.
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And so the thing on my phone... that has survived since I'm gonna just make sure I get my own dates right. God, October 23rd, 2012, right? This is 6.37 p.m.
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I am somebody who has done some television, but is terrified by the call that... You sent me straight to voicemail. You've admitted this.
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Oh! That is the coolest thing that's happened in my three years doing the show.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
Other people, that goes a different way. I didn't answer the call. You literally didn't answer the call. I didn't answer the call, but I did listen to what you left. Immediately. And I heard this.
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It was the voice that I think of when I think about earnestly, like the thing that absolutely changed my life.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
I was imagining superimposing myself onto, you know, what felt like the fighter pilot cockpit that is... Woody Page in Denver, or Tim Kalashow in Dallas, or Jay Mariotti in Chicago, or Bill Plaschke, in this case, from the remote set of the Super Bowl.
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It was terrifying, and it ended up being one of the single greatest things that ever happened to me, that proved to me... You have shown me this love, and I know you want to get it out of your body, and this is great. You don't have to tell me this. I didn't save this voicemail because I was like, one day, 13 years from now, this will be a good podcast.
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But it is the thing that everybody I know who I am now friends with, who came to my wedding, who I still, I mean, you're right. The underrated line in that voicemail is, you're really going to like the people that you're going to work with. And it's a family. They remind me of that.
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But the thing that comes through, that has always come through every time you do an April Fool's episode, every time I am being muted to minus 300 points. I love those special episodes. All of the special stuff, it's a reminder of something that I have
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Vendel II, aka the man who seems to be behind as I have been doing my investigation, Trekkie ELO. He is followed by one person in common with me or you, I must imagine. That is Woody Page. And I asked Woody. Are you the mole? Hi, Woody. It's Pablo. Do you have any idea who Trekkie ELO is? Any response? No idea, Pablo. But we've all met 50,000 people.
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I will see and get back to you. I've got three birthday parties and a Shriners parade schedule. And I don't, as always, I have no idea if any of that is a joke.
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It's remarkable. The bonds I will have for the rest of my life.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
It's the most obvious thing to say that I brought you on the show to say thank you for changing my life, for being my friend, for being somebody who created a pipeline that has been unrivaled in sports television, that has not simply diversified national sports television, but also like found just, I don't know, ways to do this in a way that feels humane, which is,
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
all underrated at the moment in which we live. But mostly, mostly I just wanted to find out how you thought.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
So at this point in the episode, you might be noticing, in case you are a longtime fan of Around the Horn, exactly how much we haven't even gotten to yet. I mean, there's an entire section we could have done about just the times we all got to learn from Hall of Famer Bob Ryan. In between segments, by the way, not even on air, including earlier this year.
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And also people who are genuinely, in the case of the man who just texted me, Woody Page, someone whose psychology requires the padded walls that you have provided for 20 years.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
We also could have talked about the time that Lil Wayne was a panelist back in 2009.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
And then there's also the time that Woody Page mounted a last-second horn-beating comeback to knock out J.A. Adande in a debate about Tiger Woods back in 2011. with Michael Smith and Bomani Jones both cheering this on.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
All of which brings me to one more final bit of tape, one more voicemail, actually, that I did need to play for you today as we sound the horn on this investigation that I told Reali was still ongoing when he was visiting me in our studio. Because I'd like you to meet Trekkie Yellow.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
And make no mistake, Rick Vendel II, aka Trekkie Yellow, is not alone in this sentiment. He is an avatar for it. Not unlike Eric from Alabama and his sign that he brought to the seaport, these are the people who help comprise this enormous and unusually devoted community of people that Around the Horn has built, mute by mute, over 23 years.
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And it's really hard not to think about them at the end here, because when people ask me what it is that I find most confusing about Around the Horn going away like this, what I find myself most mystified by is the fact that you would take a show, a brand, that lots and lots of people know about, and discard it, particularly because we do live in this insanely fragmented era
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when it is so hard to ever achieve anything like that level of scale again, let alone favorability, let alone family. Which brings me back to my conversation with Tony Reale and what it's going to be like to say goodbye. So what this is telling me then, because I will be there, whether you want me there or not, and we're going to find out together.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
A hell of a promo for 4,953. My God. Tony, I'll see you. I'll see you there. I'll see you there, man. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
And so I just need to jump in here to properly explain what exactly is happening right now for all the people who are not already familiar with a television show called Around the Horn. which is, I'm not naive, is likely the reason a lot of you first discovered me. Because I've been a part of this show and its family of panelists since October 2012. But the show itself has been airing at 5 p.m.
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Eastern on ESPN every single weekday since November 2002. meaning I was watching this show for a decade before I ever spoke a single word to Tony Reale, aka Statboy from Pardon the Interruption, who had taken over as host from Max Kellerman in 2004. And now Around the Horn is ending. This Friday, May 23rd, 2025.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
And so what I just need you to know here, in case you didn't know any of this, is that very, very few television shows last for 23 years. And exactly one of them
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actually, has asked its host to personally score the arguments that his panelists have on screen, handing out points and congratulating a winner and literally muting for often Hall of Fame journalists who are beaming in from newsrooms all across America. I'm looking at the Around the Horn Wikipedia page where the panelists' statistics are updated by somebody every day. By the day, yeah.
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I don't think it's the same guy with the sign, but also can't rule it out. An investigation is ongoing. More on that later. But maybe the most surreal part of Around the Horn's history, even more surreal than Woody Page's league-leading 687 wins, is what happened on March 4th when ESPN announced publicly that the show was gonna get canceled.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
And it wasn't getting canceled for any explicit reason in particular, by the way. Our bosses in Bristol, Connecticut simply wanted to do something different with that time slot. They wanted to evolve it. and while this was breaking news that day in March to millions of sports fans, it wasn't to the people behind the scenes.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
And yet, if there's anybody whose voice could overcome the lack of active microphone technology, it would be you. So wait, hold on.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
But to be clear, this wasn't just Tony's weight to carry, as much as he felt that way. All of this also fell on our coordinating producer, Aaron Solomon, and producers Josh Bard and Jeff Weiner and Caroline Willett and Tierney Corrigan. Not to mention our directors, John Dursey and Miriam Leger. Most of whom...
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incidentally, have been working quietly on around the horn out of Washington alongside, pardon the interruption, at Ride Home Projects for two decades now, only to realize now that this clock was ticking and ticking and ticking down to one final goodbye.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
But the larger thing that you're describing is one of the most profoundly impactful and truly weirdest families that has been assembled with you as the, again, when you're here, your family. Like this has been- Only with real Italian food, yeah. Of course, just the highest standard Italian food that I know that you definitely co-sign when I make the reference.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
But just the idea of me being somewhere on a list in which there is some element... Yeah, you and I grew up with this too, right?
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
By the way, as a side investigation on this episode, I'm looking at who's been making these updates, just so you're aware. Every day, there's a guy whose username is Trekkie ELO.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
So if you look at this guy's log of just like edits he's made to pages, it is around the horn overwhelmingly. Just like every day, updating the panelist stats because… I need one more though. I need something else to show me a breadth of expertise. And he has made edits to the following pages in addition. Number one… El Dorado, the Electric Light Orchestra album.
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He made a change to the British musical film from 1974, Son of Dracula. So he's just very on top of this. This is art form. These are art forms he's working in right now. And also the page for Pork Tenderloin Sandwich. Hey.
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The Long Goodbye: Tony Reali and the End of “Around The Horn”
Yeah. So like right now we're talking in the tense of the present and we are looking ahead to the conclusion, the series. The series finale of Around the Horn. I am not ready to think about that yet. We will in this episode, I think, what that finale would, could, will be like. But I just need to ask you before I subject you to this. When was the last time you watched your first episode?
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I am going to... I'm going to make you do this because I need to find out what that was like. Where am I looking here? We're about to stare into that television together and look into what day?
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
So John McGraw, just to be very clear here, is now going along with this in a way that has made this itself a spectacle.
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Yes. What we're watching here on this field is both joke and prophecy unfolding hand in hand. And I just want to point out that this is f***ing insane. It is insane. And so this is where I do need you to know that you can actually look up what happened next in the record books yourselves.
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Because while we do not know and cannot ever truly know what Charlie Victor Faust had by way of inner monologue at this time, what he really thought of himself, we can confirm that the 1911 New York Giants in St. Louis, with Charlie Faust sitting right there in the dugout at age 30, wearing that too small uniform that John McGraw had given him, proceeded to win. They shut out the St.
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Louis Cardinals, 8-0. And so John McGraw brought Charlie Faust back the very next day in that uniform, and the Giants shut out the Cardinals again. And so John McGraw did the exact same thing. Charlie Faust was back on the bench. The Giants won again.
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And I should say that we do this because the subjects we cover, the stories we tell are so deliberately not engineered for the algorithm. We do stuff on this show that nobody else in sports media will or wants to or can. And so for that reason,
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Charlie Faust and the New York Giants wound up just a half game out of first place in the National League when it was finally time for them to leave St.
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Louis and Charlie Faust, who had been waiting to pitch this entire time, behind. At which point, the Giants proceed to lose four in a row in Pittsburgh and then Chicago.
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But when the New York Giants get back home to Manhattan and they finally get back to the polo grounds, their home ballpark, they find a very familiar face waiting for them somehow. Charlie Victor Faust.
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I just can't believe that he actually got into a game.
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We also felt the need to create an entire Slack channel where we will argue over how to best persuade the sun god that is the algorithm to perhaps one day shine its light upon us. And I hate that part of my job. I hate it so much, miserably, that I have never been more jealous of the man in studio with me today.
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By the way, you can go look this up on baseballreference.com, and he's there. 4.50 ERA.
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But there is this scene where, you know, before victory, before Charlie Faust dies, he checks into a hospital. Yeah. And the thing that he does there is a marker of, this is how he thought of himself.
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Storytelling is one of the most overused words across human civilization at this point. But the reason I cling to it as this heading is because it implies something. Because you're writing and you're structuring, which is to say that you are strategizing and manipulating. Yeah, sure. And I do the same for it.
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And I just want to know for you, what is the voice that you're listening to as you're trying to formulate your own?
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Because Nate DiMaio has been hosting and producing The Memory Palace for 16 years now. And just one reason it is so deeply respected in what I will call the public radio cinematic universe is that his podcast marketing strategy, when it comes to including any such identifying or searchable or discoverable or clickable bits of information of any sort, can be summarized in two words. F*** that.
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The fact that you had to close your eyes shut as you grappled with how much you are thinking about the past.
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I should confess that I didn't expect my ass to be kicked emotionally by a story about pigeons. For our YouTube audience, we have a treat for you. If you're just listening on audio, go to our YouTube channel. And my God, I sound like a YouTuber when I say such things.
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But I want you to enjoy this.
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I mean, look, we're a show that is perhaps biased towards remembering some guys and also... Remembering some animals. Great. That's why I turned to it. Of course, I should have known that the passenger pigeon was so numerous as to be omnipresent.
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No, which is to say that I am trying to make a show that is not reverse engineered according to the popularity, the whims of the audience that we are trying to capture. That's exactly right. We're trying to make a show here on Pablo Doria Finds Out that I'm so delighted that you enjoy. And you said one of the kindest things a person can say to me, which is I listened to one of your episodes twice.
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Yeah, and how can you communicate that to somebody such that they remember it too? Yeah. One of the things that I learned from one of my sort of mentors, but just like a writer I looked up to, S.L. Price, Scott Price, is just how he approached kickers and endings, which is that you want the last line of something to be a bell that is ringing in someone's head.
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And such that when you stop reading it or you stop listening to it, in that literal sense, you're still hearing it.
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Actually, you know, thinking about what are the through lines through any given episode, but also your whole catalog. Yeah. It does feel like we're all gonna die is a real key aspect of it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely true. It was the Prince episode, I believe. And I thank you for that because you trust us to surprise you. You don't trust us to give you the thing you already know you want. And you, in your anti-algorithmic sensibility, are so much more hardcore about that than us.
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
Yeah, you know, I get the sense, you know, part of the kindred aspect that I feel with your show is that however futile in the big picture this mission is, we are trying to make stuff that lasts. Sure. You know? Even while it's ephemeral. Even while we know we are the raccoon dipping cotton candy into water, then wondering where did our beautiful treat just go?
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
Yeah. Nate DiMeo, thank you for leaving a little bit of sweetness in the waters, perhaps, of these lesser channels such as mine.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
The number one rule I have for this show is that if someone is going to be a guest and they've written a book, I must read the book. I very much appreciate that. In your case, also, re-listen to a bunch of your podcasts. Refamiliarize myself with... why I'm actually passionately, genuinely into this sh**. It's exactly right. That's the mission for everything.
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Because we are relating at every possible juncture to the details we're imagining. That's exactly right. our imagination is inevitably a character in this story. In fact, it is more than that. It is the narrator of our interpretation of the story we are hearing. you go so far as to not even include the names of the people that you're making episodes about in the descriptions of the episodes.
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And I say that to you, Nate DeMeo, because this is also something that I think we are a bit of a kindred pair of spirits about.
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The retention editing of everything, retention editing being the term on YouTube for the way or on TikTok or anything for how you edit it such that the person is not merely hooked, but is almost neurologically entrapped. You have me here, and you have me at second number two, and then three, and then four, and it's just so manipulated. Yeah.
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I do have some appreciation for the general mission there, right? Which is, as you said in your sentences, raise questions. Also, the way I put it is, make it so that there are as few exit ramps as possible. Sure. Sentence by sentence. In retention editing, Mr. Beast is trying to do that too.
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Yeah, exactly. Wading through the waters of the Philippines vowing, I shall return. That's exactly right.
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
All we got to do, though, is just make sure that we do a good Mr. Beast face into the camera so that they have the teaser image. That's exactly right.
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
I'm glad to corrupt... Thank you for dragging the purity of the memory palace into the machine. I'm glad to drag you down to the trench that is discoverability.
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It's exactly right. I should make clear if it's not clear enough already by virtue of you just casually referencing Karl-Anthony Towns. Sure. So you are a guy who likes to remember some guys. Absolutely.
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It's Time to Remember One of the Worst Athletes Ever
The name that I want to remember, the guy I want to remember is a guy I can only remember now because I listened to your episode about it, about him. And his name is Charlie Faust. Ah, Charlie Faust. So the episode, the episode title is Victory.
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If you're going to search for this in Nate's feed, you got to look up the word victory. This, I think, is the least athletic player, arguably, on the medal stand for least athletic player in the history of baseball.
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And he's just one of those people where I'm like, I should have known about him long before I listened to this. And I did it. He fell through the cracks. And so the story of Charlie Victory Faust begins where, Nate?
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By the way, John McGraw is a harsh man, one of the greatest managers and one of the, it sounds like, according to the historical record, also one of the cruelest at times.
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To fully explain why it is that I am so moved by Nate DiMaio and his show, which is now a book, The Memory Palace, I feel obliged to let you in on what I consider to be a deeply embarrassing secret about how my own show gets made, which is that we spend a lot of time trying to figure out the optimal title and optimal description for every single episode that we make.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
This is where I now realize that you and I might have debated on cable news at one point. And I would have said to you, wait a minute, all Americans would love to dunk? Let us all dunk on Mars. That sounds pretty f***ing cool, Kate.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
So what Elon's been saying, what my hypothetical would-be boss Elon Musk has been saying to Joe Rogan, his claim is that we need to have a second planet to preserve civilization.
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Yeah. He goes on to say this is a race against time.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Elon has been posting stuff. Like he's been posting these like Mars promos, like almost like tourism videos. I don't know if you've seen this. I do want to play it because part of the reason I also wanted to talk to you is because I saw this and I was like, I don't know if their comms department's doing the best job here. You know, it seems to be AI generated sci-fi city stuff.
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Oh, God. This is why I invited you here. because as an Earth supremacist, I feel like this is a political party. This is a messaging problem.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
There are like spaceships from Star Wars. There's a giant sign that says Mars on it. There are cars that fly around.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
It's a very good point. And there's just like a skyline. There are like these screens and stuff. I mean, it's like Discount Blade Runner, right? It is absolutely Discount Blade Runner. And the whole notion is that it feels like the future. Again, it's like the fire fest of space colonization. Like you get there and what's actually the thing you find?
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So explain why that might be an issue.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
So when it comes to, like, the rest of the options in our universe, planet-wise, I mean, there's a bunch. Yeah. We got, depending on how we consider Pluto, we got at least like eight other options.
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Never forget. Above Tom's Diner, it's pretty clear that we're not doing Pluto anymore.
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Like a minor league.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Just a quick point of clarification. Titan, moon of Saturn. Methane, the stuff we fart. Yes. Yes.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
So what I need you to understand here about Dr. Kate Marvel, as she sits in our studio in New York City, is that Dr. Kate Marvel works for NASA, an increasingly fraught government institution, thanks to President Donald Trump and the wealthiest guy in the world, Elon Musk, whose regime together started gutting NASA just last week.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Okay. So just to be clear here, you led with Fart Moon. Among all of the places in the universe that we could reasonably maybe aspire to inhabit, Fart Moon. Sure. Why not? But like the other options, I mean, I want your full unvarnished, unbiased, uncompromised, personal, not NASA approved perspective on, okay, Mercury's pretty close to the sun, right? Like solar power, right?
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Like let's say I'm just spitballing here, but... How about Mercury?
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
all of which feels like a pretty good place to note that Dr. Kate Marvel here contradicts the research of my previous astronomy professor, PTI's Dr. Tony Kornheiser. Pardon the interruption, but I'm Pablo Torre, and Tony, a small asteroid narrowly missed Earth. It's Tony Kornheiser.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
But I digress. Because what Dr. Kate Marvel is trying to get us to do as an avowed Earth supremacist is basically see Mars and any other planet the way Fox News wants you to, you know, see the New York City subway system as this deadly and alien wasteland that you should absolutely be horrified to visit.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Which is to say that part of what Elon Musk is pushing for here with electric vehicles as a general concept makes sense, right? Insofar as that's good for the earth.
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with the administration that, as of last week, also fired NASA's top climate researcher and started formally disappearing the phrases climate science and clean energy from government documents, and yet also still fetishizes Mars, enshrining it as the prize for an apocalyptic March Madness bracket, feels to me overall like this planetary death cult.
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And what Dr. Kate Marvel would love for us to do here is defend our own, our own life, our own atmosphere here on Earth.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
All of this happening, of course, while Musk's favorite mission, as he drives a cyber truck all over Social Security and the VA and, you know, aid for starving children, is Mars, as last week also made clear.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
So this is another bit of news we can all use, I think.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Yeah, Senator Jim Inhofe.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Right. So in other words, if I can just translate all of this. So Earth might sometimes be that friend that like ghosts you for dinner and you're like, what the f***? Mars, though, is just a straight-up bitch all the time.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Historically, because you're also an author, you're a student of history, with a new book coming out in June, yes?
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
There it is. And part of your book, I believe, examines the ways that we humans here on Earth have reacted to climate change throughout time. What did you find in your research?
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We throw people in lakes because we think that they are at fault. They're the reason our crops all died.
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
Yeah, if you submit a perfect NCAA tournament bracket on the X Bracket Challenge or whatever, you win a trip on SpaceX's Starship vehicle to Mars. This is a serious contest, apparently. It is also the most direct appeal by Elon Musk to sports fans to date.
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Oh, get the big call-up.
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I feel like I should have known that the punchline was, and that's where Macbeth comes from. And yet it still hit me. Still got me. It still got me. So in other words, there is some artistic upside there. being ruled by maniacs.
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Not so bad when we burn women at the stake.
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Yeah, as always, we feel bad for our universe, but this is tremendous content. Who should we be burning at the stake?
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I'm glad that we've clarified the innocence of the molecule itself. Carbon didn't ask for any of this.
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But the United States, as we as a country walk away from the Paris Climate Accords, as we are freezing funds for wind energy, our largest source of renewable energy, I'm just struggling to find a way to not get you fired from your job while also being optimistic, right? Thread the needle here of maybe human existence.
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How do you approach all of this as you also describe Earth, as I believe, like a drunken sailor?
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We're going to cut out the 2015 part.
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This wound up reminding me of my own connection, which I have never talked about before on this show, to Elon Musk and his Mars obsession, which Dr. Kate Marvel and I will get to in a bit here. But first, what I need to stress is that what you're about to hear from Dr. Marvel is her personal perspective on all this stuff, not the perspective of her whole government office.
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I am curious how you message this. How the f*** do I tell my kids about this? How do you talk about all of this, given that there is political obstruction and it seems like, I don't know, a bit of a death cult forming?
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into like a rim hung on the other end of like the spinning blades of a wind turbine.
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Yeah. It's the coolest version of a trick shot I've ever seen.
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Absolutely not.
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Excuse me, burp moon.
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Yeah. I mean, it's hard not to hear you talk and just realize how unleveraged some of the most basic things that everybody loves about Earth, how unleveraged those things have been in political and just normal like human conversation about all of this stuff.
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You're about to throw soup at the Mona Lisa is the vibe that... Again, I'm glad you haven't on our artwork here.
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Although her office, it turns out, isn't quite what I imagined either.
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Speaking of the people you talk to, you mentioned your dad. Where is he in the matrix of people that you've wanted to convince or intuitively understand? Or how does that work?
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If the greediest people in America think it's real, then that tells me something. Genuinely tells all of us something about this.
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Right. As somebody who contemplated being a messenger for a cause I now realize is at odds with what we're agreeing on, what everybody agrees on, that trees are cool, animals are cool, being alive is cool, water is cool. It's just funny. It's darkly
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hilarious that we are watching a political movement and these are my words not dr k marbles but we're watching a political movement unfold around america in which we're closing borders america first uh we are more nationalist broadly speaking than we've ever been we're telling the rest of the world to f**k off and meanwhile i'm like what if we applied that same supremacist instinct to
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to the planet versus the rest of the universe, as opposed to just our country versus the rest of our planet.
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I've thought about this, the ID4, the Independence Day solution.
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What would it take to bring us together in true unity?
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It's an amazing thing to be able to actually factually, scientifically, and morally claim that, That we have looked into everything else that's out there. And in this one circumstance, the circumstance of our planet, we're actually the greatest of all time.
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I want you saying that into the PA system like the president in Independence Day. Genuinely.
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Dr. Kate Marvel, you've changed the way I think about our planet. You've changed the way I think about diners. And if all of this is f***ed, I guess I'll see you on Fart Moon.
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And what Dr. Marvel and her NASA scientists have been quietly finding out while huffing those Seinfeld diner fumes, running models, and running what Dr. Marvel calls, quote, a fancy version of The Sims, is really worth visualizing here.
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Kate is looking glamorous, and by that I mean she's wearing jeans and a black shirt.
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And so Dr. Marvel found herself one day testifying in front of the House of Representatives, its Ways and Means Committee in 2019, to tell them something extremely important about an exotic planet that we don't discuss nearly enough. Earth.
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I feel like the number one thing people do, Dr. Kate Marvel, thank you for being here, by the way, when they say, Dr. Kate Marvel, thank you for being here, is to then immediately say something about your name, which is phenomenal.
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Could you explain why that message was so important to express?
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The notion of people being hard to quantify, people being hard to summarize in any algorithmic multivariate way. There are all sorts of PhDs in sports these days, Kate, who are trying to predict the human performance. They're paid lots of money to do that, to assess people who make lots of money to perform. And they can't. All of the time.
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Investigation over. What I found out today is that Dr. Kate Marvel is actually named Kate Marvel.
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And I find that something that people in sports complain about on, again, the nerd egghead side, is how to communicate to the public broadly. A public that demands definitiveness. And I feel like part of your job professionally is not just being a really smart person who can play real-life SimCity with the best of them.
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It's to actually persuade people to understand the world and beyond, literally, the way that you do.
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Yeah. So with the World Cup, there is a trophy on the line every four years. What's at stake here, Kate?
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Is there a name as destiny kind of a thing? You were destined for something grandiose and cosmological, perhaps?
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counterpoint, I could go stand in front of the American people on Capitol Hill and hold a snowball and say, f*** you, Kate Marvel. Check out this snowball.
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This is now the late Jim Inhofe, senator from Oklahoma.
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Yeah. Literal Captain Marvel.
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What we're doing is we're spinning the roulette wheel of burning. I love it.
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Touche. There you go. How do you describe, though, what it is that you do for people who are not initiated into your fandom, Kate?
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The Earth Supremacist Party: Why Mars Sucks and the GOAT Planet Needs Us, with Dr. Kate Marvel
I have my own just weird story when it comes to, frankly, Elon Musk. So I want to just tell this story because I've not said this aloud anywhere. So thank you for being my therapist as well as my interviewee here. It was 2015, the beginning of 2015. I was working at ESPN. And a guy I went to college with who worked for Elon Musk sent me an email with, quote, kind of a crazy idea.
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And the idea was that SpaceX needed someone to work in comms. They needed someone who could go on television and basically be a surrogate for Elon Musk and the SpaceX plan. And ideally, it would be someone who could speak to the general population of America, much like, let's say, I do when it comes to sports.
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What if I took ESPN fluency and transposed it onto making humanity a multi-planetary species? And so I went to Hawthorne, California on a visit. It's the opposite of your office above Tom's Diner, Kate. It's the most cinematic place I've ever been, actually. It is, they're literal giant rocket parts suspended from the ceiling.
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It's just, it looks like the movie version of the future we were promised. It's a sci-fi movie. I went and the point being, I, spoiler alert, did not take the job, didn't pursue it, but was seduced for weeks about, wait a minute, isn't that like a profound calling? Me helping fulfill a mission for a guy who, in 2015, Elon Musk said, was saying stuff like this.
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So as I was holding my SpaceX visitor's badge, I was thinking about a guy in Elon Musk who was saying stuff like, yeah, fossil fuels could lead to more displacement and destruction than all the wars in history combined. Do you remember hearing that guy say stuff like that?
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Right, but speaking of the alien planet that Elon Musk favors, one of the things that he just clearly, sincerely has cared about this entire time consistently is that Mars... is his project, you know, getting people, getting humanity to colonize Mars. It was not lost on me as I contemplated my alternate career path that it was Donald Trump's inaugural address.
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And in the background, by the way, you see Elon giving two thumbs up, very normal human, definitely real human, relatable reaction.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Willkommen bei Pablo Torre Finds Out. Ich bin Pablo Torre und heute werden wir herausfinden, was dieses Geräusch ist.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
So the banquet circuit that Dr. Thomas referenced, I did not know that Jesse Owens was making appearances like as a speaker, making money doing that.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
No, of course, it's a reminder that, again, we're in the 30s. Jesse Owens is a second-class citizen in the United States.
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Right. By the way, this was FDR.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Restorative, psychologically beneficial. So, all of this brings us to the Olympics.
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I did not realize the degree to which Jesse Owens was a circus performer after having accomplished some of the greatest things in the history of sports.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
By the way, that isn't just some clever rhetoric from Jesse Owens. Jesse Owens actually wound up giving one of his four gold medals from Berlin to a friend to thank him for helping him find work in the entertainment industry. And by the 1950s, Jesse Owens was reportedly so broke that he used the other three medals to pay for a hotel stay and his expenses in Pittsburgh.
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Aber das ist nicht alles, was Jesse Owens auf seine Rückkehr nach Amerika erwartete. Denn nicht nur arbeitete der Kerl als Anwalt der Gasstation, sondern auch als Anwalt und Zirkus-Präsident. Sein Zuhause, seine Nachbarschaft, die gesamten ursprünglichen Teile von Cleveland, in Wahrheit, wurden finanziell und ökologisch degradiert auf der Basis der Rasse.
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Dies war dank einer legalen Politik, die von dem vorgeschlagenen Präsidenten, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Und diese Politik, die heute illegal ist, wurde als Redlining genannt.
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Because... Es gibt eine Fotografie, Lam, als wir die Schlusszeremonien der Olympischen Spiele in Paris beobachten. Es gibt eine Fotografie, die ich mir vorstelle, je nachdem, wann die Olympischen Spiele bis zum Ende sind. Und es ist eine berühmte Fotografie, die du für uns recherchiert hast, die erklärt hat, dass ich keine Ahnung hatte, was ich überhaupt schaue.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
So what I am also finding out because of this episode is the degree of scientific research into which health outcomes and life expectancies are tied to trees. To the way in which we need these things, these living things, to help create the life that America had promised its people. And this is not just like one random hippie saying this.
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There is a whole body of research that shows that redlining connects to environmental injustice. And this is a study by Case Western Reserve University, Flam, which evaluated the map of Jesse Owens' Cleveland and showed that these same neighborhoods a century later, as you were alluding to, remain the areas most plagued by poverty and crime. All of this being directly connected.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Also erklär mir, wann und wo und was diese Fotografie ist.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
So the full accounting of everything that Jesse Owens was facing, the snubbing of his own president in FDR, the redlining of his country and specifically his own home, his own home neighborhood in Cleveland, just the degradation of being this circus performer character, all of this infuses the four Hitler Oaks that he takes back home with
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
So, Flam, it's time to do a thing that I've been waiting to do on this show for a year now, which is some tree forensics. So, Jesse Owens comes back home. He has four gold medals. He has four trees. What happens to the Hitler Oaks? Where does he plant the saplings?
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
You have your research.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Hitler-Och, still standing at James Ford Rhodes High School.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Und wer sind die Leute, die den Bewegung leiten, um ein Hitler-Och zu retten?
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
I just want to pause the tape here. That's just one of the great declarations in the history of Palo Torre finds out. When I first met the tree.
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We'll have our people call the trees people.
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am Top-of-the-Metal-Stand, nicht den Nazi-Salut zu machen, ist wer? Ist Jesse Owens.
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The glory of a tree under stress is truly a beautiful... scientific concept.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Wait, so hold on. The tree that is beautifully dying, the Hitler Oak. How do they make sure that it does live on? What do you do with the acorns as it's gloriously perishing?
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
That sounds crazy. That's how you reproduce a tree?
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
You tie it together. You make the tree think that it's growing season and it grows.
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Like an actual living thing.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
I don't know if you intended to make that pun, but I salute you nonetheless. They were rooting for it to live.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
All of this continuing to be an even greater act of defiance than the one that had been mythologized in Berlin.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Und so die offizielle Frage am Ende hier, Flam, ist, ob jemand irgendeinen Schmerz fühlt, einen residuellen, lindernden Schmerz, von dem Fakt, dass dies Hitler-Ochse sind, dass dies, wiederum, von einem der größten Monster der Geschichte gibt.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
So, Phlegm, what I'm finding out at the very end here is that we have been mislabeling the subject of today's episode. These are not actually the Hitler Oaks at all.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Dave Fleming, danke, dass du eine Geschichte reportiert hast, die weiter wächst.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media Production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Offizielle. Richtig.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Im echten Zentrum der Fotografie. I did not notice this until you told me to like zoom in on it. And when you zoom in on it, you see that he's carrying something that I'd never noticed before.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Alright, so in case you slept through every history class you may have ever taken, I do want to clarify that this is going to be a story that starts with Jesse Owens, who is one of the greatest black athletes of all time, and also Adolf Hitler, who became the Chancellor of Germany when the Nazi Party came to power in 1933 in the aftermath of Germany losing World War I.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Das ist der Grund, warum die 1936er-Berliner Olympiade ein Fest der Swastikas, der arienischen Zufriedenheit und der antisemitischen Propaganda war. Als Beweise für das berühmte Bild, das wir gerade diskutiert haben. Aber das beginnt nur mit der Erklärung, warum Jesse Owens auf dem Metallstand stand, umgekehrt von Nazi-Saluten, und das mysteriöse und kleine Potted Plant.
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Spoiler-Alert.
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Und ich wusste das nicht, aber für die deutsche Kultur symbolisiert ein Oaks den König des Waldes.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Nun, die Rückseite dieser guten Idee ist, dass dies Hitler's Oaks waren. Richtig. Und so genannt wurden sie. Sie wurden sofort als Hitler's Oaks genannt. Und so kamen die Hitler's Oaks zurück mit den US-Goldmedaillisten. What do we know about those oaks and what happened to them?
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Right, for the obvious reason of not wanting to have a Hitler oak in your yard.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Yeah, a gift bag from history's greatest monster. Not necessarily what I would have put on, you know, in my own front yard.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
And so the obvious question then is, why the f*** would Jesse Owens of all people, Phlegm, be the one to become the caretaker of a Hitler Oak?
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Phlegm, ich bin ein Pflanzenmann. Ich bin ein Baummann. Du siehst hinter dir auf deinem Schulter in unserem Studio. Das ist ein Hommage zu einem Interesse, das ich lange gehalten habe. Ich weiß nicht, ob du ein Gebäude voller Grünung hast, aber ich nicht. Ich lebe in der Stadt hier in New York. Danke, dass du hier bist, übrigens.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
So at the risk of just stating the obvious, it is important that we recall what it would have been like to be Jesse Owens in the 1930s in a segregated United States. Because Jesse Owens was black, He was not legally eligible to receive a college scholarship, for instance, let alone get on-campus housing.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
And then, when he finally worked hard enough to make the US Olympic team, despite all of that and more, Jesse Owens discovered that the games were being held in Nazi Germany. Ein Event, das die NAACP und viele, viele andere gesagt haben, dass Jesse Owens nicht anwesend sein sollte.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
This is the milieu unto which he has to make a decision of, am I the greatest track star in America going to go overseas and essentially enable potentially a propaganda operation for Adolf Hitler?
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Right, so this is an enormous news story. And once he gets there, again, another spoiler alert, Jesse Owens f***ing destroys everybody. He wins gold in the 100-meter dash, in the 200-meter, in the 4x100. Yes. And then the long jump.
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A hard thing for Adolf Hitler to see and feel great about.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
I'm jealous. I have like two dozen house plants. Well, that's pretty good. But in a simulation of the real thing. And so as the lawn owner, as a guy with his own set of shrubbery, I just express jealousy at the outset here.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Yes, the entire point was that here was going to be the proof that Germany... was supreme, that white supremacy was real. And Jesse Owens explodes that four different times. And so this brings us to the thing that I, the most famous thing Das ist das Bild, das durch die Geschichte gedreht wurde.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
Das ist die Geschichte, wie Jesse Owens Adolf Hitler face-to-face konfrontiert, weil Adolf Hitler, als, wiederum, der Leiter Deutschlands, derjenige ist, der alle Athleten begrüßt. Am Ende. Und die Geschichte ist, dass Adolf Hitler die Hand, die dunkle Hand, der amerikanischen Jesse Owens, nicht schlägt.
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Meet the Tree: Why Jesse Owens Really Brought Hitler's Olympic Gift Home
And so I'm just going to jump in here to say that I did not plan on exonerating Adolf Hitler in any way when producing today's episode. Aber, ja, Damien Thomas ist richtig. Hitler's refusal to shake the hand of Jesse Owens in Berlin was not actually specific to Jesse Owens at all. After day one, Hitler did not publicly congratulate any of the gold medalists.
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But the big reason that so many of us Americans have heard that story and have assumed it to be true for so long is relevant here as well.
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The Butthole Story (Or: A Thoughtful Conversation with Sue Bird and Ezra Edelman)
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The Butthole Story (Or: A Thoughtful Conversation with Sue Bird and Ezra Edelman)
I was going to ask, how much of that is like, really, we have to wait until now, until I'm done?
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The Butthole Story (Or: A Thoughtful Conversation with Sue Bird and Ezra Edelman)
I could do Starburst, only red. By the way, can you tell him to stop airing your commercial? The CarMax one? Yes.
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That's true. So the thing about documentary, no, I concur. And also, appreciate what you have now, Sue. Appreciate your commercial that runs endlessly. No, the thing about documentaries being cool now is that they're certainly cooler than when I was growing up.
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The idea that people want to make documentaries, even if the economy in this current phase of filmmaking has shifted from the boom time, which was before. It's different now. I agree. And how do you feel about that?
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That lots of people want to do the thing that you are as fastidious about in terms of craft and effort and standards in the way that Sue is not just, you know, welcoming anybody into calling themselves basketball players at that level.
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I love it.
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Oder sogar nur ein Typ, der über Sport auf einer Ebene spricht, mit Leuten, die das professionell gemacht haben. Das ist verrückt im Hintergrund.
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Hast du das jemals gemacht?
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verurteilt oder nur als Verbraucher. Filme, die du nicht als Dokumentarier selbst machen möchtest.
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I'm trying to un-vague you. I know, but it doesn't... But the reason I'm saying that is because the whole wind-up to what I was trying to do was to say, and I have enjoyed personally many of those films... What we are, I think, circling though, for me at least, is a curiosity around, do you think we should call them something else? Because I think it's cool to enjoy both yes and, right? It's cool.
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I have enjoyed many of those same films that you would not want to make. Do you think they should be called something else?
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Ja. Ich habe schon in Veranstaltungen gearbeitet.
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Ich möchte jetzt klar machen, wie würdest du dich als Hardliner bezeichnen, relativ zu anderen Menschen in diesem Bereich? Ich kann nicht für andere sprechen.
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How the table has turned. Part of the reason why I wanted to hang out with both of you at this table is because we have enjoyed, you two, to a degree that has made me jealous, what I consider the greatest seat in all of entertainment, which is a courtside seat at a basketball game. Und das Zuschauen von Basketballgames mit Sue Courtside ist so lustig, für so viele Gründe.
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Einer davon ist, dass Sue wie die Königin von England verhalten muss.
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But I feel like you are acutely aware. Okay, so Sue is also a part owner of the Seattle Storm.
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Nackt?
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That sucks at questions.
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Did you know that when you were watching it?
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Weil die Spiele breiter kritisiert wurden, sollte man sagen. Ja. Weil sie schmutzig waren und nicht das beste Advertisement für diesen Sport waren.
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Das ist ein unglaubliches Thron, das du hast.
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Ich hätte sie auch über Ezra gedraft, nur um den Rekord.
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Es war so lustig, neben dir zu sitzen für eines dieser Playoff-Games. Weil du mir im Grunde die Pop-Up-Video gegeben hast. Ja. There's that ref, there's that player, they have this history together, she does... It was a remarkable knowledge of all of these... Oh, there's some refs I know not to go up to.
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You're going to get a lot of defense. Don't waste your breath. The small town that is the WNBA, part of what... The second thing that I was amused by, sitting courtside next to you, was how unempathetic... Ja, ich kann.
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Wenn ich Basketball schaue, schreibe ich manchmal Sue ein Foto, was nicht wirklich ein Höhepunkt ist, aber es braucht, dass du die Geschichte erzählst, damit ich mir nicht mehr so aussehen kann, wie ich mich schon gegründet habe.
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What is the most that your asshole has been like in interviewing somebody?
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Nein, er hat mehr gesprochen, als ich dachte.
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You know, I speak to, I have the, I've been mistaken for somebody who should be speaking to journalism classes. And so I'm asked sometimes, like, how do I get better interviews? And all I have is what Ezra just articulated, which is demonstrate that you really put time into into your preparation for this thing. Demonstrate that you care. It tends to be the skeleton key that unlocks so many people.
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Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja. Wenn ihr euch fragt, wie es ist, dass ich mit Ezra Edelman sitze, der vermutlich die beste Dokumentaristin in Amerika, und Sue Bird, die unvergültig die beste Point Guard in der Geschichte von Frauenbasketball ist, solltet ihr wissen, dass ich manchmal das gleiche in der Realität frage.
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And Ezra, by the way, is the most extreme version of that, for those who are unfamiliar with his work. You over-index on having that credibility, I would say. I think it's the most respectful thing to do.
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So, the answer to this is embarrassing because I thought I was too cool. And it was not even a deep dive sit down interview. But I talked to LeBron for a magazine piece one on one after a practice. And what LeBron did was render me like...
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der anonyme Journalist-Charakter in einer Film-Szene über LeBron in einer Interview, weil er, das ist keine Überzeugung, er schießt die Basketballschlösser auf die Wand der Praxisfacilität, vielleicht 40 Füße in die Luft, es schießt weg, schießt zurück, schießt, er nimmt es, Tomahawk schießt es, um die Praxis zu beenden, und dann geht er zu mir.
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And I would need to... The jaws of life couldn't have opened up my butthole at that moment. How did the interview go?
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Of course. But even that premise, right? I think that part of what Ezra does as a questioner is do both somehow, where there is... Yes, and I actually would struggle with that.
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Ich kämpfe damit.
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Warum ist das das Ziel? Nein, du kannst es nicht. Ich denke, Ezra und ich haben verschiedene, vielleicht auch Thresholds, auf das. Ich schätze, dass Sue und wir zwei, Ezra, wahrscheinlich eine größere Lücke haben, in Bezug auf die Schmerzen, die wir fühlen. Es fühlt sich schmerzen. I didn't want you to do that.
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The whole point, in fact, is that we have sort of worked to earn a trust that you then implicitly don't complain about when we decide to tell a story that isn't the one that you want to tell.
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There is such immense power in what the journalist chooses to include and leave out. Omission is a wildly impactful thing. Denn es ist nicht nur so, dass ich deine Worte verwenden werde, sondern ich entscheide, was relevant ist.
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Ich glaube, du antwortest in einer Art und Weise, die den Unterschied auslöst, weil du die Gefühle fühlst, als ob du die Person bist. Ich würde die Gefühle von jemandem fühlen, der gerade ein tolles Interview bekommen hat.
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Ja. Wie reagiertest du, wenn sie sich getötet haben? Mit dem gezwungenen Enthusiasmus von jemandem, der sagt, das wird ein guter Clip sein.
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Well, Ezra, I believe it's time to end this interview. But that is, by the way, but that is the tension in me. I'm not going for that. So my enjoyment and my sarcasm is, yeah, both true and a lie. I want it, but I don't aim for it.
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Aber was ich heute wissen konnte, was ich hoffte, ein bisschen ein Jahr im Review zu haben, war, dass Ezra, der den Oscar für O.J. Made in America gewonnen hat und seitdem der journalistische Wissen meines Podcasts geworden ist, Fragen fragen wird. Viele Fragen. Und das ist teilweise, weil Ezra das professionell tut und auch teilweise, weil er sie persönlich nicht beantworten mag.
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Okay. In the show title.
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Ja, ich fühle mich ständig im Test der Toleranz von anderen. Right now, as you're asking me the question, I'm like, I think it's probably time to be done. I don't think people want to know that much more about my psychology. My radar and my compass is in finding you guys, exploiting your introspection. And for me, I am always going to bet on my psychology. Was ist mit butter you? Butter me.
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What is that?
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Look at this. Sue Bird, actual PTFO-Listener. Ezra Edelman, just exploiter of friendships.
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We had a sculpture of me made out of butter. That we presented to Jerry Saltz, Pulitzer Prize winning art critic.
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He was great.
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I missed this one, I'm sorry. You would appreciate it actually because of his... You would.
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Ich habe alle Clips von dem gesehen. Den habe ich genossen. Und ich freue mich darauf, weil ich, wiederum, für alle Art von Engagement gezwungen bin.
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Metrik und andersherum. Der Punkt mit dem Butter-me-Ding ist, dass ich denke, es hat sich sehr gut gemacht. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media Production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The Butthole Story (Or: A Thoughtful Conversation with Sue Bird and Ezra Edelman)
And I also knew that Sue, who launched her own pod this year with Megan Rapinoe, her partner, called A Touch More, would be undaunted by whatever it is that Ezra decided to throw our way.
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What's your standard of success as now this? Because before you had a pretty clear one. This is a very different business, if I may lay down on the therapy couch on this side of the room.
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Is it retweet?
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You guys have an amazing rapport, which is a good thing. By the way, that's the head start, is that you guys are authentically enjoying each other's company. You have natural, real chemistry. And people want to hang out with you guys. So much of the battle is, we're at a cafeteria. Warte mal. Warte mal.
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Du bist jetzt 15 Monate alt, oder?
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Ich habe es gemacht. Oh, ich habe es gemacht. Ich bin gespannt. Glücklicherweise, ich weiß, dass Ezra es gemacht hat. Was lustig ist, ist, dass ich mich bei Partys oder Gäste oder Kindergarten-Admissions-Eventen gefunden habe, zu denen ich heutzutage gehe. Und Leute fragen mich, die Sport nicht kennen, oder ich, was ich tue.
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Warte, was ist noch auf deinem richtigen Writer?
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Und ich muss immer herausfinden, wie ich meinen Elevator-Pitch für meinen Show, welcher für mich zu beschreiben war, schwer zu beschreiben. Warte einen Moment, bevor du weitergehst. Was tust du? Ein Wort.
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Well, because I go on television and I... You also have multiple... Okay, so fine. I got some W9s, W2s. As a former writer, how does that make you feel? It makes me feel like the more I say that I'm a journalist, which I say a lot on this show, the more I'm compensating for my insecurities about mostly talking. Okay. Sorry, so fair enough.
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I'm not talking about this. So like, I was going to send me a legal letter if I ask him questions.
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As the ghost of Christmas future, it will never feel cool to say, I podcast. You'll notice I did not say podcast when presented with the choice of a single word. That is low on the draft board. And it's even weirder for me to have to say, Ich hoste ein Show, das heißt Pablo Torre Finds Out. Das bin ich.
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Weil inhaltlich in der Prämisse, dass ich den Namen des Shows nennen muss, den du nicht weißt, ist, dass du wahrscheinlich nichts über mich sagst. Das ist eine Unabhängigkeit, die ich übernehmen muss, weil ich glaube, dass Menschen interessiert werden sollten in einem Show, den sie nicht wissen. Even if I am the host and they don't really give a **** about me.
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The point being that I end up talking about how I use my curiosity to solve mysteries. I use journalism to answer questions that I'm authentically engaged by.
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So I think a lot of my insecurity around answering the question in an efficient way is because I actually love it so much and I am deeply proud of it. And being given a blank piece of paper on which I've written this, in which I can do this and be like, that was work today. I looked forward to doing this today. I've created a show where every episode we do, I actually am super interested in.
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Also, um es noch einmal zu beschreiben, bist du nicht hoch.
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I look forward to it. And so I'm working all the time and it's very tiring and all that. But the answer of like standard of success is, Do you, again, not to sound like now a coaching cliche, do I love the process? And I do. And I'm proud of it. And I zoom out to larger things about how in sports podcasting and podcasting in general, there are not a lot of shows that do what we try to do.
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We are technically sports podcast. Sports ends up being the thing I love and I'm still interested in. And so we do a lot of it. But we don't feel bounded by that. As both of you maybe have experienced in terms of what I want to ask you guys about.
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You just love all the things that I would love while high.
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No. No. Because as I think you guys know, like, I pride myself on mostly... I pride myself on using sports to talk about other things. And also like I really love talking to people who don't actually care about sports. And I think you have some of that too. Like you don't go to your show because I want to... And you do this. You break down sports and games and stuff.
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But mostly you're there because you want to hang out with that person. For me, my whole thing is I'm going to make something that people who don't give a shit about... Sports, as you might conventionally understand them. Something that you might still love. And that's maybe also born of an insecurity. I'm not a Hall of Fame athlete. What do I bring to the table?
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I mostly bring to the table the possibility that Wenn es eine gute Geschichte gibt, oder ein Angesicht, oder eine Freude, oder eine Person, die ich versuchte, mir mit ihren eigenen Unwissenheiten zu vertrauen, dann werde ich dich dann aufhören, mitzuhören.
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For someone who hates podcasting, has a lot of questions about podcasting. You're really taking over here.
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Absolutely. It's classic. It's called Filibustering. Filibustering with Ezra Edelman.
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Right after this ad.
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Ja, ich warte auf den Rest der Geschäftskarte. Aber ihr seid beide, Dokumentare, Frauen-Sport, das sind Boom-Zeiten. Ich weiß nicht, das ist nicht wahr. Das ist nicht wahr mehr? Nein. Für Dokumentare? Für Dokumentare. Okay. Für Frauen-Sport, ja. Weißt du, warum?
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That's a very down-to-earth rider, I gotta say. You should be more of a diva. Have you considered that?
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I do want to get to the idea that women's basketball specifically is now Ja. Fun?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. I just want people to understand how hard it's been for me to know that Nicolas Cage would show up and not just scream, Nicolas Cage is going to show up in this episode. Just hold up. Right after this ad.
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Right. Instead of the Heisman Trophy, it was perhaps Velociraptor.
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It's the number one thing I would buy.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
In the power rankings of stuff I would buy if I had the money to buy the thing.
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Yeah, I'm getting a law and order dinosaur investigation.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Mongolian dinosaur policy being similar to Major League Baseball broadcasts.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
What a f***ing great band name.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
In this case, requesting free bird being particularly morbid and appropriate.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
And vice versa.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
And instead of imagining a world in which Martin Bell was the one who started his own podcast and commissioned a butter sculpture of his own head and also kissed it on camera, I wanted to tell you what he went on to do instead, which was graduate from Harvard Law School and then become a federal prosecutor, an assistant US attorney for the Southern District of New York.
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Well, I'm trying to imagine, like, if you want to triangulate what does justice look like for this dude who was the guy making money off of this particular skeleton or skeletons, I'm trying to, like, put him in some sort of moral hierarchy. Like, okay, he's kind of like a poacher, but these animals are already dead. Right.
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So in the case of United States versus Prokopi, which is the criminal case that is related to the case that we came here to discuss, United States of America versus, again, one Tyrannosaurus Bataar skeleton, the victim would be who?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
And if you don't know what the Southern District is, if you've never seen an episode of Billions or watched any number of legal dramas, you should know that it is the nation's most prestigious US attorney's office.
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But with dinosaur bones in Mongolia. Yes. You're Chewbacca with the metal.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
It is known, according to The New York Times, for handling, quote, complex and challenging cases involving high finance, national security and public corruption, end quote, which is why it was an especially big deal when this recently happened.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Yes, in their equivalent of the Brooklyn Public Library.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
It helps explain for those who are wondering how it is that Martin Bell, noted black attorney, became this character in a children's book and also an owner of, again, the Mongolian Medal of Friendship. This is how deeply felt these bones are.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
I just want people to understand how hard it's been for me to know that Nicolas Cage would show up and not just scream, Nicolas Cage is gonna show up in this episode. Just hold up.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
But that's not the only thing that the Southern District has been dealing with lately. They are the folks who are prosecuting Diddy.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
I can see him as a geode guy, though. Yeah. That does make sense.
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Just for the record here, for those only listening, Martin Bell in describing Nicolas Cage's T-Rex skull is describing the movie poster for the movie Face Off.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
It's literally not one of those things. There is no episode we've done that is less like one of those things than the story that involves you repatriating Nicolas Cage's dinosaur bones.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Well, as somebody who grew up going on adventures to the Natural History Museum, to the Smithsonian, who takes his daughter now, Violet, to the museum to stand underneath these skeletons and marvel like Alan Grant did, I wonder, where are the bones now?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
And so this is where it does feel appropriate for me to just jump in and observe that, yes, of course, we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out did reach out to Nicolas Cage and his team in order to ask if Nicolas Cage ever got paid back for the dinosaur skull or would perhaps like to visit it in the present, in Mongolia, even today.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
maybe, with former federal prosecutor for the US Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York, Martin Bell, whom Mr. Cage might remember from the time he prosecuted this case, while also being a big fan of his movies. And Mr. Cage's manager, in one of the most disappointing responses I've ever received hosting this show or anything, had no comment.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Martin Bell worked with those people at his old workplace for roughly 11 years. And a lot of the time he was prosecuting corruption cases, also doing some security stuff. But the case I wanted to bring him here to find out about The case that Marty personally prosecuted was a civil forfeiture case.
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which means that all we have to play for you right now is this video of Nicolas Cage sharing his perspective on this specific topic with GQ back in 2022.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
And so as for the recognition that Martin Bell was still hoping to receive back here at home from the world of sports, the world that he had abandoned memorably in favor of law school, yeah, I mean, I doubt he'll get to throw out a first pitch for his beloved New York Mets, unfortunately. But I am significantly more confident about something else.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
There will be a movie about this story, and all we need is for Nicolas Cage to break into that museum and re-repatriate his dinosaur skull.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Marm Bell, my friend, and Mongolia's. Thank you for coming into our studio.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
And civil forfeiture, you should know, is a little strange because it's when the defendant is literally a piece of property. Like in this case, the property's human owner is not the defendant. It's the thing itself. The thing that gets forfeited on account of that thing is alleged involvement in a crime.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
And in this case, a case that involves its own absurd celebrity, incidentally, and also the increasingly shaky promise of international diplomacy, which feels relevant to the news these days, it just so happens that the property in question was 24 feet long and 8 feet high and was known, legally speaking, as one Tyrannosaurus Bataar skeleton, which is why this case name on the federal docket was insane.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
United States of America v. One Tyrannosaurus Bataar Skeleton.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Before we explain why that name specifically is the way that it is, do you remember when you first heard about the dinosaur skeleton in question?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Admittedly, part of my curiosity here is, of course, because I grew up loving dinosaurs. Oh, sure.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Yes, if you're a kid who just happened to spend a big chunk of his childhood re-watching Jurassic Park...
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
The practical effects.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
As the brontosaurus come into view, that is the feeling I had upon realizing that my old friend, Barton Bell, was suing a dinosaur skeleton.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Martin Bell, hello. Hello. I want to explain that I have looked up to you in a very sincere way for decades now. Went to the same high school, followed you to college. You were a would-be advisor to me. Should I have gone to law school? That's true. I did not. You did. How do you describe what you did before you became fancy private sector attorney?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
That way that governments were trying to protect these objects, these skeletons, these artifacts, had they done that with dinosaur skeletons previously?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Yes, so this is the part of the episode where I demand as Jurassic Park fan and also a person who took the class Science B57, I believe it was.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
As my science requirement in college, I should ask, what is a Tyrannosaurus Bataar?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Clever girl.
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
Can you just explain Eric Prokopi as a character visually? If you're casting the movie, what's his deal?
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Jaw & Order: The Case of the Stolen Dinosaur Bones (and Nicolas Cage)
These are non-dinosaur fossils.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm going to briefly huff the Ziploc bag as you would with... Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is your great aunt? A very older woman. The person who wears this fragrance has a padded toilet seat. And a small dog. I hate that.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
No, it's the worst. It's like shitting into a pillow.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Not here to yuck your yum.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I am getting the sense, though, why people are into galaxy gas, though, which I have discovered is a thing among kids, and possibly adults. I've heard. It's good. Allegedly.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Congrats on your podcast announcement. Thank you.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Remember when we visited, we can bleep this institution out.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Shell casings.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie and I went to a party because someone else brought us to this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mina. At f***.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And the floor was like a shooting range where they were just like... Hell yeah. Gatling gunning.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If someone is wearing this, I am not into that person. All right, let's see what it is. Katie Nolan.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
How many are there? There are two different types of Britney Spears fragrances. Curious and Curious Love. Whoa.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Hell yeah, good for you. We don't even have an episode. Doesn't matter. Don't even have an episode yet.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love that Katie wore a version of this perfume.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Curious Woman, and this is capital C, The Curious Woman is romantic, check, independent, check, mischievous.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Romantic, independent, and mischievous. Okay. One who's not afraid of risk.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's fruity in the back.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Launched in 2004. Became an instant hit with the public. The composition is based on the notes of white flowers surrounded with vanilla and musk nuances. It opens with fresh lotus, mouth-watering pear and magnolia, the intensive floral heart.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, my God. Look at that. Katie's hot now. I'm unapproachable. Katie's hot now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The intensive floral heart.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is composed of tuberose? Tuberose? Jasmine and pink cyclamen. Cyclamen?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's what the wise men brought in Britney Spears. Yes.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The sensual base is composed of musk, vanilla, and precious woods. Sensual base? Precious woods. Yeah, that's a lot, Brit. It is the kind of scent that makes your parents want to control your finances. Oh, I was going to say get divorced. Katie, Laurence at $15.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Britney Spears, Curious, $16.74. Wow. Wow. This man knows what real America wants to smell.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I just got roofied by this fragrance.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is so bad.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This fragrance owns multiple board apes. Says diamond hands unironically.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I want to say European, but that might be too derogatory.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I cannot wait to find out what this is. I know.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cristiano Ronaldo popping out of this paper bag could not have been more perfect.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Origins. Holy. Please describe what the packaging of this is like. I'm so happy right now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, dude. That is fragrance imitating f***ing life. This is a new fragrance. CR7 Origins was launched in 2022. Top notes are bay leaf, mandarin orange.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Middle notes are clary sage, lavender, and geranium. Base notes are patchouli and- Ass. Dog .
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$25.56. Thank God. Thank God.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number five.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is the bottom of your grinder if you smoked spices. Oh, it's... It's settling in. At a certain point, the spiciness begins to wear a suit. I'm kind of f***ing with it now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this back. There's a lot going on.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is the third episode in a trilogy that I want to catch Lawrence up on. Please do. Katie and I have tested athlete alcohol, and we declared what sucked in your memory.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We've been on a run of three straight ass fragrances. This is growing on me.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. This feels like a chance that you're taking. You're going out and you're like, I'm going to try to be this guy. And I'm kind of intrigued by what this guy's life is like.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is Cristiano Ronaldo's friend who, in comparison, is the guy you want to spend your night out with. This is Cristiano Ronaldo with his shirt buttoned up.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Right. That looks like a bottle of cologne. But even the box, a classy box.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Notes. We're back to the vetiver. Bergamot or Bergamo?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which is like a yellow fruit. An orange, some are saying. A mandarin orange is another one. Star anise. Pimento.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Patchouli.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
White amber.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Did you have the LeBron Henny?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The scene in the David Beckham doc, which I did not watch all of, but just have seen that scene. The car thing? Yeah, exactly.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Lobos, right? We drank a lot. We were eventually very drunk.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So on that note, what do you think this runs? Yeah, this is expensive.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, I'm thinking $75. Guys, this is $19.20. Come on. Go buy it. The best $19 you've ever spent.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Stocking stuffer for next year.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Right after this ad.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number six. Oh.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
All right, this needs to breathe.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is very wet.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That is Elon as f**k. My reaction to smelling this is like a meerkat popping out of a burrow, and I'm deciding whether to pop back down, and I think I'm...
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It was basically as much athlete alcohol as we could get.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This smells like the fall. She can have it all.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If it's for a man, I'll be surprised.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a big package.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
CJ McCollum's wine was pretty good.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Tom Brady.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So collab with the hat company?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a miss.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Incomplete. Base notes. Sandalwood. Musk. Vanilla. Honey. Tonka bean.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What's that? Tonka trucks also make beans. Much like Stetson also wears. Tonka bell.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's right. What do you think it costs? $12.99. $55. $30.47. This is the most expensive cologne so far.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Correct. We've done a lot of patriarchal scouting of these fragrances.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is soft and delicate and... I would like my laundry to kind of smell like this, you know? Yeah, or my bed sheets, you know?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
There's a subtlety here.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What did you say? It's fruity in the back. Fruity in the back.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. I like this. I like this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a winner.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But also feminine enough to satisfy, again, my most...
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Relatedly, Katie Nolan hasn't dumped any of the wine that she's been tasting.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is like the drink you order at dinner and your friends are like beginning to make fun of you and then you're like, try it.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And you're like, just take a sip. Bet you regret making fun of me now. Soft. Let's see what number seven is.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
She did it again. She did it again.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
She is still.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That tracks from the block. Katie and I have made fun of J-Lo in the past. I apologize.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yep, yep, yep, yep. That was part one.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is what a celebrity smells like. Yeah. It's called Still. That's good.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Part two was athlete weed.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This next fragrance needs to earn it. They can't coast on it. So many have. They cannot coast on the legacy of Jennifer Lopez. Huh. Huh.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like a luxury hotel lobby. Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. There is restraint. I credit this for its restraint.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Read it more closely.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So it is to Lawrence's taste and appreciation for the finer things in life. This is impossible to find now. It's all sold out. Can't get it.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Now that I've been told that it's mayonnaise. Will Levis, number eight. Parfum de mayonnaise. Open to the bright burst of tart lemon that provides a refreshing and clean introduction. At the heart of the fragrance lies a creamy, daring mayonnaise accord.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Creamy, daring mayonnaise accord. Like it's fucking Yalta.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yep. Offering a smooth and complex heart. We're describing Lawrence so far, by the way. I am creamy delightful. And a complex heart.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Parsley adds a fresh herbal element reminiscent of a well-prepared dish. And of course, this fragrance would not be complete without subtle coffee undertones reminiscent of Will's signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage. Didn't get those at all. Sorry?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
He has a signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage. What? This is a thing, right? He puts mayonnaise in his coffee.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A sensual musk base weaves through the composition, evoking physicality and charisma. Finally, we finish off with a comforting, creamy vanilla finish that is equal parts inviting and intriguing.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I hesitate to say that Katie comes out looking great from this particular test.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I mean, it is creamy and daring.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number nine.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
In a world in which people are screaming, I'm not even sure what gender this is, honestly.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is it possible to be drunk off of smelling fragrances?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Dare I say that it almost feels like it's like an algorithmic.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a centrist. Admittedly, I'm a little gun-shy also because I was just praising the mayo fragrance.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, my God.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Gary Payton.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Autographed baseball. It's a sample of Derek Jeter. Driven.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love, I grew up adoring this man. Because he got ass.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You might do a hate crime. Still a Hall of Famer, to be clear. Unambiguous.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thank you for clarifying.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Smoking that glove pack, dude. Mm-hmm. And Dan cannot smell.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, Jeets.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number 10.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is David LaChapelle. Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If you are wearing this and you are not a 14-year-old, you should be arrested.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Physically cannot smell.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Chris Hansen should walk in the door now that we've broken this out of the Ziploc.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mean girl. This fragrance is the reason why Katie got Invisalign.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cotton candy. We get it.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thunderstruck Taylor's version.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. It's a travel size. Travel size. You know, you want to smell like Taylor Swift. You can travel with someone.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Do you think that Taylor Swift smells like this? Hell no. Wonderstruck is the first fragrance from the young American pop country singer Taylor Swift launched in cooperation with the cosmetic company Elizabeth Arden. Wonderstruck is named after the lyrics from the song Enchanted. Quote, I'm wonderstruck, comma, blushing all the way home.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which tell about the feeling and the impression you get when you first meet someone you like. Taylor hopes that her fragrance will be an essential part of many impressions in first meetings. What do you think Wonderstruck costs?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$59.99. What the f***? How dare you underestimate her capitalism?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Useless. And so I was like, who in the world can fill... This third share. And I said, okay, who hosts a show that I love? Check. Check. Who was able to convince me using the word master perfumer?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is number 11. Jesus Christ.
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Wow. This is potent. This is the most potent. I feel like this is... Strong as hell. This cat calls. I have not smelled this since Origin.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Man, I'm afraid of this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A VFW hall. This one has seen some things and done some things.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, it really does come on strong.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I feel that. I feel that actually.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is... Alluring. This is the work of an old man. Is it snake oil? Is it penicillin? Who cares?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Our last fragrance is. Drum roll.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We got got. Snake oil salesman. No! I think we nailed that. This is Fight, Fight, Fight. Donald Trump.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is that new... This is that new new. It is an all black, heavy ass bottle. Fight, fight, fight is a bold fragrance from Trump fragrances designed for men who embody strength and resilience. This limited edition cologne is crafted to leave a lasting impression with its rich and robust notes.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That he has some knowledge of cologne. Perfumier? I don't even know something like that. You did say that in the kitchen earlier.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The fragrances commemorate President Trump's moment of personal courage and the strong message he sent to Americans after being shot at in Butler, Pennsylvania. Instead of the potential horrific moment of Trump's assassination, every camera on the mainstream media captured the most iconic photograph and video of his political career.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Let's f***ing go. We paid. I don't actually. The most embarrassing thing might be that we spent $216.67. You gave Trump your hard money? The retail is $199 a bottle. We gave, I presume, to be the alleged shell company. Sure, sure, sure.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mathematically speaking, Taylor Swift's cologne, fragrance, perfume, would cost, at this rate, $400. Jesus f***ing Christ. Shout out to T-Swiss. I hope that the rest of the year works out in a way in which we're all like, you know what, that wasn't as bad as I thought.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, belated. Happy belated January 6th. At the end of every episode of How La Torre Finds Out, a show where we find stuff out, We say what we found out today.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I don't know. He was referencing a guy. What was the guy's name? You do know. His name is Rodrigo. I don't know his last name. You do know. He met a perfumier named Rodrigo. And I was like, that's plenty.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, you get both. Yeah. You get both. Cool. You get both. What was your favorite?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So I think if I may collectively summarize our thoughts.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The big winner, I think, is David Beckham. At the price point, too. At that price point. That's crazy. 1925, the best deal, the best man, dare I say. On the medal stand, though, we concur that J-Lo is there. Yeah. If we're being honest with ourselves—
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The scientists behind the glass are telling me that it was pretty clear that we all agreed that the Trump one was pretty good.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's the nose nose right there.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What I found out today is that I should never trust the producers of this show ever again.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The nose knows.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I believe you also said, quote in a text, I know what I like and have gotten a lot of expensive shit for free. Yes.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie, what do you know about cologne?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cologne for girls.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just farting with impunity.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So we have in this corner of the room, 11 different athletes slash celebrity colognes slash perfumes. They've created a whole system. We're going to blind smell this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Can we not call it just for the- Fragrances is what I'm being told in my ear by Rob who collected all of this stuff. Not to denigrate the genre.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You will see. We have testers pre-sprayed. Great. Each individually bagged. And we have reveals in which we will find out what it was. I hope it's a plastic bag. Some notes, literal and figurative. Sometimes the notes of plastic will get into the... Yeah, I wonder if this is how, like, this is not an official method.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Okay, I'm being told to defend the method. There's a whole method. Sorry, boys. Long before the athlete weed strain and celebrity tequila brands, famous people were selling vanity fragrances. And so I figured with about a month before Valentine's Day that we might do everybody out there a service.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So if you're listening to this instead of watching it on YouTube, what you should know about our method here is that Katie Nolan, Lauren Schlossman, and I are going into this whole exercise completely blind.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That means we're gonna start by taking these pre-sprayed paper strips of the vanity fragrance in question out of a Ziploc bag, at which point we will give our unbiased review of it using only our sense of smell. And we're not gonna find out which celebrity it even is until the end of that segment when we open a sealed paper bag to reveal the bottle our producers bought for us inside.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But if you are in fact watching this on YouTube or the DraftKings Network, Our producers are also going to try something a little bit different for you because they are going to show you the celebrity behind each fragrance early and completely silently just on screen while we're doing our smell test. So you can know and see how powerful or not our noses are before we do.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is apparently the experience our producers had while watching us tape this episode. And this episode, by the way, will keep escalating as we get deeper and deeper into this list of 11 mystery fragrances about which we know absolutely nothing. And that is for better and also, spoiler alert, for worse. We begin with fragrance number one.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is bright.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Meaning it perks you up almost? No, just fresh, bright.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It smells like a bunch of dads rolling around in a field.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It smells like suppressed emotional accessibility. Unrequited love and affection. But there is like an aftershave aspect to this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
New money, new money.
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It's dipping? There's more to this, yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Nice. It's nice. I came in expecting, like, I'm going to all over this, and then I'm like, ah, this feels kind of like the man that I once imagined I would be one day. Is it time to reveal?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Lock them up.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, put them in the bag so that we can isolate the scents.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, let's get some ASMR there, Pablo.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is, and I don't know the answer to this either until right now, Michael Jordan's cologne.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Look at this packaging here. Look at this. Yeah, exactly. Hold that. Describe it for the audience, please.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Rumors of insane gambling debt. Michael Jordan by Michael Jordan is an aromatic fragrance for men. So we nailed that. The nose behind this fragrance is Steve de Mercado. That I believe is a term of art for the- The nose. Perfumier. For the perfumier. Top notes are cypress, grapefruit, lemon, cognac, geranium, cedar needles, Brazilian rosewood.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Middle notes. Fir, juniper berries.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Lavender. F-I-R. I like the tree. No, I literally, my mind went, I was like, all right. Like a bear. Pelt. Incense, green tea, clary, sage, and cloves. Base notes are sandalwood, musk, and patchouli.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But I will describe that for you now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Because a top note, according to the increasingly terrible AI overview on Google.com.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm so lazy. I love that AI overview. It's so much worse. It's not right. It's so much worse.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Top notes. The first sense you smell when you apply a fragrance, also known as head notes or opening notes. They're the most volatile of the three fragrance notes and are made up of small, light molecules that evaporate quickly. Top notes, usually composed of citrus and fruity ingredients, but can also include fresh herbs. Some light top. That is a fragrance that costs, what do you think? $55.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's not true. Lawrence is underselling his credentials.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$56. Over, under. It's $21.36. Wow, what a deal.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Does the silhouette of his bald head, unmistakably his bald head, embossed in also like some red foil, does that do anything for you? That's cheap. That's like you buy this at a grocery store.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Now, I'm told that between these scents, we should be... Smelling coffee? palate cleansing by sniffing some coffee or your elbow.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm being told to remind you guys that we have no idea if this actually works. They also advise you to smell yourself.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Wait, really? Are you familiar with men or lifestyle?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
They say smell your own elbow. Number two.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This hit hard, dude. Is this sprayed one second ago? These are sprayed two hours ago, for the record. It's very sweet. By our lab full of scientists. Aquatic.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is like a magazine where the pages are stuck together for different reasons.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You said sweet. You just said it louder than me. There aren't a lot of base notes to this, is what I would say. This is like the antithesis of patchouli. This is not a barbershop.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Like sophomore semi-formal. Like this is the scent that sticks in my mind years later when I'm trying to remember in my personal... Memory bank. Sense memory. That's right.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So let's find out. All right, this should be interesting.
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Whoa. Ooh. Ooh.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
For boys? There are no words on this. Can you describe this, Katie?
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That is green.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Lawrence's podcast, Growing Fits, is one of my favorite non-sports podcasts.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It is Ecto Cooler. That's right. It looks delicious. This is for boys. A product known as Avon Untouchable by Chris Paul. Wow. I do regret my previous description. How much do you think this costs?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is very different.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We are redefining the spectrum of femininity, I dare say.
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Our Election-Free Share & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
Toasted?
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Our Election-Free Share & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media Production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Right. When I was a kid growing up, I had hamsters and we had a hamster wheel. They eat their young is the thing about hamsters. And so I grew up with a hamster running in a hamster wheel. And in the wheel, and this is not a thing I'm just saying for you guys, it's true. It maybe explains the psychology of me.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Who are the two guys sitting next to you, both of whom have intimidatingly long hair?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
The hamster I had would run and it would be a hamster wheel full of decapitated hamster baby heads.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Because they have like 30... And so they would just be running in like a death wheel of... Yeah, I mean, I think the hamster wheel in and of itself would be enough.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I'm seeing the value of Bill in the writer's room. I'm seeing your grounding force. I get it. I get, I get... I don't want to discourage anything.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
This is... No, this is... I get why you're in this position of power. My friend Kevin Wilds, host of FS1's First Things First, he was saying he loves the idea of a curtain behind the curtain. Right? So have you guys toyed with this sort of experiment of like, okay, so... But yeah, where are you going with it? Yeah, just like a Russian nesting doll of curtains. And so one idea...
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
the curtain opens and there is a doctor wearing scrubs standing next to hospital curtains. So different curtain, but a second curtain. And that curtain, when that gets thrown open, there's a patient wearing a hospital gown, but their head is a mask, and that mask is an AI-generated photo of the person at the free throw line, but aged like 50 years.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Well, okay, hold on. Just to be solutions oriented, right? So I understand that this is a very compressed amount of time. If we were to prepare a dozen, truly, like we will take the Houston roster, cut them out as masks. So when the guy is going to the line, you already know which one it is.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
So the doctor would throw open the hospital curtain and would be horrified to discover this grotesque patient who happens to be the person at the free throw line looking at themselves in the future, grappling with their mortality.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I mean, there is a poetry, I think, and a reality.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Yeah, I see what you mean. By the way, that was a suggestion inspired by Amina Kimes, our friend of the show. We're disappointed to hear that you don't have faith in Logan and Harry. That's a bummer.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Okay, okay, so right, right, right, right, right. So it's like the Houston basketball team, maybe even their starting five.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And they're moving around very elderlyly. Correct, yep. Yeah, maybe making out with each other?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I'm just trying to, look, I'm just trying to distract.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Have you guys thought about the curtain is thrown open and there's kind of a wheel of fortune set up? And by that, I mean, there's a group of words with some letters missing and the person at the free throw line is now... trying to figure out how to solve the puzzle by maybe buying a vowel. Is that something you thought about?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
So Harry and Logan, you're ready to be assigned some theatrical work here. You guys ready to do this?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Again, I apologize for making you guys make out, but I think you'll understand it's for the larger good.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Forks up.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
The last time we met, I had summoned my entire network of Hollywood elites, a cabal of comedy writers, in an attempt to get you guys some ideas. And I wanted to set the scene here for people who were not lucky enough to be awake so late at night on the East Coast watching Arizona State basketball.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I should reveal to our audience here that we did embed a camera crew with you guys.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
So if you're not familiar with the whole operation that 19 year old Logan Sears is talking about here, it is officially time to take you behind the curtain, as it were. Because the curtain is an actual black curtain, about six and a half feet tall and eight feet wide.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Give us the visual here, guys. What are we seeing?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
In our last taping, you hadn't told me that there would be side pieces.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
We got lonely.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
We actually reached out to Randy Johnson, by the way, just for the record, who politely declined to explode a bird under your baseline. But when I saw that you guys had unicorn side pieces, I was like, clearly, we're in good hands.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
So I tune into this game. It's on ESPN. It's on national television. And of course, the magic happens in the second half. As Houston shoots towards the curtain of distraction towards you guys in the student section. And it takes a while, right? So it's 13 minutes left in the game for the first foul. And I am listening at home.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I'm hearing the play-by-play man, John Schifrin, along with King McClure, the broadcast team on ESPN.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And I hear them say that they are trying to find out what is hiding behind the mystery curtain. And you guys, behind the curtain at this point, are thinking, what? As the game is taking a while to shine its spotlight on you.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And it hangs from a frame of yellow PVC pipe that gets wheeled out from the student section in the second half of every Arizona State men's basketball game, right behind the hoop, right in the shooter's line of vision. And it terrorizes every opponent who dares to set foot on that free throw line.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
It seemed like you guys enjoyed it. The disappointment though of him making the shot. Now the mountain becomes clear. And so shot number two, let's roll that tape.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Right. The side pieces are furious. It's a remarkable psychological testament to that shooter at the University of Houston to not miss a shot. On the broadcast, you could hear King McClure, who himself was a sharpshooter at Baylor, incidentally, on this broadcast team.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And so this is the context for a costume change.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Tom, are we ready to take this?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
In our writer's room, we had a friend of the show, Mina Kime, suggest this AI rendition of the opposing team, but aged 40 years. What I didn't know was that you guys would Back to the Future this.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
That was, again, that creative flair that, of course, only you guys can provide.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Right after this ad.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
You guys improved it. We did send you, yeah, the art department here created those AI-generated faces of every single player on the Houston roster. And it's remarkable how unbelievably disturbing it is to, in this case, look into the eyes of a very old and balding and strangely smiling LJ Cryer.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
who is, yeah, the 23-year-old point guard at the University of Houston, who, by the way, was having a great game.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
You guys are down 20, Arizona State is. They're draining threes all over the place.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And so I imagine, like, When rain isn't falling, when free throws aren't happening, it's just frustrating because you're just pent up.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
We overheard you guys praying for quote-unquote foul power.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
But then finally, under a minute, there's a full court trap, and Bobby Hurley gets Arizona State trying now to commit a foul. There is Ali committing the foul. And so 47 seconds left, the second foul is committed.
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Since 2013, when the curtain first opened, the list of people popping out from behind it have included, but are not limited to, Thanos snapping the Infinity Gauntlet, a topless student smearing mayo all over his chest and nipples with a spoon, a very cranky old lady, a large bearded kid waving around a Miley Cyrus-inspired wrecking ball, and also the actual Michael Phelps doing a Speedo strip tease.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
So it is worth pointing out, and this is truly ridiculous, but on the ESPN broadcast, you can now see Marty McFly and Doc Brown finally popping out from behind this curtain, back from the future, to confront Houston guard LJ Cryer with our portrait of his own mortality.
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on national television all across America. John Schifrin, the broadcaster, is saying, what is that a picture of? I don't know how you guys could have been any clearer. The fact that LJ Cryer drains that, it's just amazing. But then the second shot, you're like, all right, let's try something different.
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Number seven, Mylos Yuzan. So it just felt like you guys were f***ing with them at this point, which again, pretty good strategy. But Houston made the shot. And so just to do the math here, this is a bummer. It's four for four from the line in the second half. The curtain, therefore, is 0 for 4. The game is a blowout. And we didn't even get to the third skit. And so I'm sitting at home.
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My producers and I are up late. We're on Slack. We are so disappointed. But then we realize, you look at the schedule, there's another opportunity for justice to be served.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
So BYU is a week later.
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And the skit that I'm most looking forward to is still in the chamber. Because Wheel of Fortune is not just a skit. It is also a puzzle. And I wanted to test the intellect as well as the cojones of the Cougars. And I just want to point out, Bill, that this is where the editorial discussion of what the clue is going to be did, it seems, require some editing.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Because again, to remind everybody, my suggestion was make this if you're D blank CK apostrophe S small. Make this, of course, if you're duck small. You know, you have rubber duckies, all that stuff. People remember that.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I had also suggested, by the way, this is the best exclamation point, which was an homage, quietly, to a real thing that happened on Wheel of Fortune, which I don't know if you guys are familiar with, but it is this. Tavares, right in the butt.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
No. This is the best. As Pat Sajak pointed out, not right in the butt. Unfortunately, that contestant went permanently viral for answering. Bill, I was bummed. I was bummed we didn't do either of those.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
You have to be the adult. I get it. I get that that's your role here as the Lorne Michaels of Arizona State. But walk us through how you stage this, right? So again, Wheel of Fortune, you know how it is up on the board in studio with Pat Sajak. But for you guys, what was your execution? How'd you do this?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
It's under 13 minutes left. You guys are down 12. BYU star Richie Saunders drives the lane, and finally, and one.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I don't know if my neighbors will ever understand why I yelled so loudly so late at night at a game that no one else apparently seemed to care anywhere in the universe of how much I cared about this. It's very clear that he missed it because of you guys. And I love that the announcers cannot help but talk about this.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
It is very clear that he was trying to solve the puzzle. Clearly. And clearly thought it said, missed the shit and got it wrong. The rest of the half, though, is where this gets crazy. So I'm like, Again, we're on Slack. We're talking to my producers, and we're like, we got it. We got the payoff. This kit worked. We're done. Like, that's the end of the episode. Play the outro theme song. Good.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
While wearing fake gold medals and a bow tie in order to make a random kid from Oregon State miss.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
But then, under 10 minutes left, Trevin Nell, who's a sharpshooter for BYU himself, he's fouled on a three. And just to recap here, the most consecutive misses that you had forced apparently so far this season was two. Again, kind of a struggle. But Trevin misses the first, misses the second. This is now three misses in a row. The curtain is out of control at this point.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And on the broadcast, again, they give you credit. The curtain of destruction.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Then the next set of free throws, I didn't know that I would see Doc Brown and Marty McFly again.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I didn't realize that that was in the cards, but it's a flagrant one.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
7-18 left in the game. ASU's over the limit. 1-1. And here we have Yegor Demin. Freshman out of Russia. And... I don't know if his home country is familiar with what you guys bring back.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And while I did go to college, as you may well know, I also knew how Michael Phelps felt. Because around this time every year, college basketball reminds me that I absolutely did not have the Arizona State college experience either. I've never had anybody tell me, forks up, go Devils.
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The literal horniness of these unicorns riding the high of this streak of misses is And this is the American dream. At what point do you realize this is a threesome?
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Narrative continuity is a key to free throw distraction. Keeping track here, right? Three trips to the line in a row. All of them work. And we did, by the way, reach out to Yegor Demin to find out if he had any sense of what was happening. We await his response.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
So this is where I regret to inform you that BYU's Sports Information Department did not respond to multiple requests sent by Pablo Torre Finds Out for comment from Yegor Demin. But after the game, BYU's head coach, Kevin Young, did seem to indicate that he knew something was up.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
But what I found out today, I believe, after going behind the curtain here with Bill and Harry and Logan and Arizona State, again, apologies, I guess, to BYU, is that one institution's anomaly is another institution's tradition. The kind of tradition, actually, that no professional team or Olympic medal, as no less than Michael Phelps himself discovered, can even begin to replicate.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
The curtain can magically turn an otherwise forgettable college basketball season, let alone a single game, into something that you really do fondly remember. And that feels like the entire thing that makes college special. The curtain of distraction is something that a bunch of kids invented and continue to perpetrate and pass down through the generations.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And it is for each of those generations something to celebrate with their friends before they have to go and apply for a job and enter the real world and grow up.
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You guys, spoiler alert, don't win the game. You lose 91-81. But BYU, three for 11 against the curtain. Redemption can be spelled so many ways. In this case, it happens to be in a Wheel of Fortune format. I do want to point out, Logan, of course, is the younger star of the show. But Harry, I'm looking at your report card here. You're about to graduate, right?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I've never experienced the Sun Devils student section, the aforementioned 942 crew, and I certainly have never experienced their legendary curtain of distraction. But this season, current leaders Harry and Logan agreed to give Pablo Torre Finds Out an unprecedented and, until now, entirely secret honor of joining college basketball's foremost writer's room.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I do now understand why you moved us away from the whole human centipede thing, given that this is on actual resumes. And on that resume, by the way, Harry, I do look forward to seeing number two all-time most consecutive forced misses.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Part of what I found out is clearly that there is a deep, deep, and very real part of me that is very jealous that I did not go to Arizona State.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I mean, look, most of them involve shit, but I'm going to have some new ones for you.
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which is the only adult in the room's office.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I'm getting the sense now of how ridiculous Bill's existence is.
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Some of the analytics behind this, Harry, a master's in computer science student. Are you the record holder for most consecutive misses? I believe I'm number two.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Wait, wait, Logan, what did you do to break the record?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
When you get five consecutive forest misses, Logan,
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Well, but just, Harry, the power that I imagine I would feel of I'm actually making a difference here.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I'm watching Bill watch you guys and he's just proud. I sense deep pride in the coaching tree here, Bill.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Well, this season, I mean, I want to be blunt about this. This season has been rough for fans of ASU basketball.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I wonder if part of what's happening here is that you guys got so famous that people know to expect it. Does it feel like the element of surprise has decreased, perhaps?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I love the idea that some school out there needed their own sexy Santa. How do ideas get generated? Are you guys all pitching stuff?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Is there an idea that you remember saying no to where it was just like, this is too much?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Has the curtain of distraction ever been used as an actual curtain in front of a window before, or are we making history right now?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
The nuclear curtain.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
What you're saying is that Logan and Harry are all too happy to be sniffing each other's asses while wearing dog masks. Basically.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I'm realizing now that you are the Lorne Michaels of college basketball distraction. That's an honor.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
This is exactly how I wanted this session to begin, by using the curtain of distraction to block the sun.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
No, it's just clear to me. It's clear to me that you run a ship not unlike Saturday Night Live. This is what's happening here in this office. By the way, I am currently a disembodied head at the table with you guys in the writer's room. And I do want to... Be of service. When we look ahead to Houston, Houston, that's a big game.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
A perennial power now visiting you guys at Desert Financial Arena on ESPN, national television. And it seems like a lot is on the line. And I don't say that to put pressure on the curtain, but I want to explore how the curtain might meet the moment. And so what I did was I canvassed a number of suggestions myself. I had my own writer's room that I have pieced together.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
And I just want to throw some ideas at you guys and credit those ideas to others if I could. I've gone to Hollywood to start. So I asked Donald Glover, who is a friend of mine, what would you like to see behind the Arizona state curtain of distraction? And Donald proposed a fat man pooping on a clear toilet.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Noted, noted. I'm just feeling out.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Also, we went to our friend Mike Schur, who is one of the great Hollywood showrunners who's behind The Office and Brooklyn Nine-Nine and The Good Place and Parks and Rec. And he proposed Einstein on the toilet reading the newspaper, but then suddenly getting embarrassed and trying to close the curtain.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
I'm writing that down. Okay.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
What about conjoined twins? Logan and Harry in one shirt with two neck holes. Done. Let's do it. Done. I think we can do something like that. Now, what if the two conjoined twins then made out with each other?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Your title here is what?
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You know what? I would be willing to compromise and go unicorn masks. There's a lot. There's a lot we have. I mean, are you guys familiar with the movie Human Centipede?
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Okay, noted, noted. Mike Schur also proposed Cat in the Hat eating a messy meatball sub. He proposed a Cybertruck and a refrigerator making out. Shakespeare doing The Running Man. The Twins from The Shining playing pickleball. There's a bunch of Elon Musk ones in here that I don't think I want to make you do. That seems beyond the pale as well at this point. Fake injuries.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Have you guys gotten fake injured before? We have a lot of fake injury submissions.
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Okay, so violence, but of course, whimsical violence. Fake violence. Yeah, movie violence.
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Right. I got a couple of other suggestions here from Wyatt Cenac, former Daily Show correspondent, one of my great friends and an excellent stand-up himself. He was like, can you get the hawk to a lady? I'm like, I don't think so. I think she seems hiding these days. He had the masturbating bear from Conan O'Brien's late night show.
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You guys might be too young for the masturbating bear, but a true classic in the genre.
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Behind the Curtain of Distraction: We Went Undercover with the Most Creative Fans in College Hoops
Anyway, you get the drift. So in this case, we have producer Mike Ryan from The Levitard Show saying, what about Randy Johnson, who I believe lives in Tempe, local. Randy Johnson reenacting in slow motion that time the bird exploded when he threw that pitch.
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I'm going to cross off a guy running in a hamster wheel.
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Living the Dream Job: What It's Like to Run Your Childhood Team, with David Stearns
Wie kann man nur so... Ausgeruht sein? Ganz einfach. Trainiere deinen Schlaf und werde auch du zum Morgenmenschen. Mit der Galaxy Watch 7 oder dem Galaxy Ring und der Samsung Health App.
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Living the Dream Job: What It's Like to Run Your Childhood Team, with David Stearns
Das könnte der schlimmste Moment meines Met-Fandoms sein.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und laut Birkin, dem JMB-Biographer, und Birkins eigene Lebensgeschichte, die wir in unserer Geschichte hier ein bisschen später herausfinden, beginnt JM Barrie eine Idee.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
A jerry-curl. Michael Jackson macht seinen Weg in diese Halle, über diese Anrufe von Gästen. Ja. Wenn du dieses Video siehst, denkst du dir, dass sie Michael sehen wollen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Das erklärt, warum der Prinz und die Prinzessin von Wales, Charles und Diana, 1988 waren in dem Video, mit dem wir angefangen haben, den riesigen 450.000-Dollar-Checks von einem nervösen Michael Jackson. Es war eine reichliche Veranstaltung, bekanntlich dieses Donation-Ding, das alle wussten, um sich zu verlieben.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So I found out... I found out that tuppence is a thing that I can say in everyday life. Oh, yeah. What was that rooted in, that frustration with Disney?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So viele grüne Hatte, Captain Hooks Schwert, Tinkerbell, die Fähre-Winge.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
It is familiar, this dynamic, insofar as a work of art has become, you know, commodified and become for popular consumption this thing that now we forget the origins of. Like, it's just now everywhere and we don't know why. Honestly, something that shocked me was that he popularized the name Wendy. So the name Wendy in the play originally, that was not a popular name?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yeah, what I found out already is that I can never eat a bacon double stack without thinking about J.M. Barrie.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Thank you, Barrie family.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Das ist 1988? 1988, ja.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yeah, I'm going to guess that his name may rhyme with Jekyll Maxon. So this movie that you've been alluding to, I should disclose that this is my favorite rendition of all of the many, many, many, many renditions of Peter Pan that have seeped into culture. Hook.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
1 Album aller Zeiten, Thriller.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
This movie is my favorite. Rufio? Rufio? Rufio? I mean, Dante Bosco, Filipino brother. I mean, this is my guy. Him being the leader of the Lost Boys? What was the development of this film like?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yeah, let me tune out these exploding helicopters for a second.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
And let me crack open this biography of the guy who wrote Peter Pan.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und hier ist es, wo die Geschichte von Andrew Birkin ziemlich relevant wird. Und ich habe das ein bisschen früher erwähnt, aber der Typ ist nicht nur ein Peter Pan-Obsessiv, der ein Buch geschrieben hat. Andrew Birkin wurde von Stanley Kubrick mentoriert. und hat 2001 auf Space Odyssey gearbeitet. Er wurde dann der erste Assistent-Direktor der Beatles auf ihrer Magical Mystery Tour.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und er ist auch der Bruder der Frau hinter dem Birkenbag. Das ist auch wahr. Und so weiter und so fort. But in Hollywood, Francis Ford Coppola had invited Birkin to visit the enormous and fake Las Vegas that he had built for another film he was making, called One from the Heart. And this Vegas set didn't seem like a super logical business decision.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Sehr entspannt. Sehr entspannt. Seine Füße sehen so aus, als wären sie nervös auf dem braunen Holzflur dieses langen Halls in England. Denn wer kommt jetzt her?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
And so Coppola asked Birkin, who again had these real Hollywood credits, what he thought.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Das bedeutete, dass Francis Ford Coppola und seine Produktion nicht mehr in der Geschäftsführung waren, um das Buch zu adaptieren, das dann Hook geworden ist.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
An diesem Punkt hat sich ein weiterer Direktor, der eine Produktion von Peter Pan an seiner eigenen Schule gedreht hatte, als er 11 Jahre alt war, und auch damals ein bekannter Freund von Michael Jackson war, als er jetzt in der Mitte der 80er-Jahre alt war, aufgewachsen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Er tourte den Rest des Wards, küsste leise, um Babys auf ihren Füßen zu formen. Michael wurde von fünf Berlimindern gerufen. Danach ging er zum Peter Pan-Ward des Krankenhauses, nach dem Charakter, den er in einem Film spielen will. Wir wollen nur sagen, dass es klingt, als wäre Michael Jackson der Liebste, um diese Rolle in seinem Leben zu bekommen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
If the algorithm was casting back in the 80s, this would definitely be the movie that we would have seen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So there's this article, this Entertainment Weekly article, 2011, which Spielberg says to the magazine, Michael had always wanted to play Peter Pan, but I called Michael and I said, this is about a lawyer that is brought back to save his kids and discovers that he was once, when he was younger, Peter Pan. Which is to say that Michael Jackson didn't get the job.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Robin Williams spielt adult Peter Pan.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Wie reagierte Michael an den Berichten, dass er diese Rolle nicht bekommen würde?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Das Artikel, äh, es bezeichnet den Geheimdoktor, den Voodoo-Chef, Baba, und sagt, Steven Spielberg, bleib weg!
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So this ranch that he again bought for almost 30 million dollars that he named Neverland. The status of the naming rights such that he can legally have the clearance to rebrand himself and his home in the image that he wants to be is what? Where are we at with the status of the rights?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ich weiß, dass diese Episode an diesem Punkt ziemlich seltsam ist, aufgrund all' der Witch Doctors und Spider- Tombstones und Prinzessinnen der Wälder und jetzt die Bibel. Aber dieses Faktum muss hier wiederholt werden, denke ich. Denn was der große Großvater von J.M. Barrie sagt, ist tatsächlich wahr.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ja, ein grünes, grünes Doppelbrett, ein grünes Stiefel. Und hinter ihm, übrigens, eine noch größere Star als ein echter König, der sich jetzt dwarfiert, übrigens, der König von Pop.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
In 1988 wurde das historische Gesetz vom englischen Parlament verabschiedet, und es gab Peter Pan das unendliche Recht auf Räumlichkeiten zu Gosch, dem großen Ormond-Street-Hospital für Kinder. Das ist ein unglaublich besonderes Versprechen zu einem unglaublichen Spiel und einem unglaublichen Krankenhaus. Denn obwohl Kopienrechte in Britannien normalerweise nach 50 Jahren auslösen,
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Only the King James Bible and, yes, Peter Pan enjoy such protections forever. And so speaking of timeline questions here, we should now recall what we have established already about the year that bill was passed, which was, again, 1988. Denn 1988 war auch der Jahr, in dem Michael Jackson den Ranz gekauft hat, der Neverland wurde.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und 1988 war auch der Jahr, in dem er nervös das riesige Konto für 450.000 Dollar an das Krankenhaus mitgegeben hat, durch den Prinz und die Prinzessin von Wales, in dem Video, mit dem Yorgo das ganze Show anfangen wollte.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und das ist der Grund, warum Yorgos Theorie über das, was Michael Jackson dort versucht hat, in diesem Video, seine ganze Theorie über das Quid Pro Quo, das wir hier endlich versuchen, Fakten zu beurteilen,
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Right. He is theoretically buying the protection. He's buying the role that Hollywood had denied him in perpetuity himself.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
The theory you have is that this is political favor trading. Yes. In broad daylight. And so this is a big... So Jörgo, this is the part where we have to show people what's in the box. Ja, sicher. Deine Theorie ist, dass Michael Jackson so tief investiert ist in diese Version von Peter Pan, dass er sich auf diese Mission gelegt hat. $450.000 in diesem riesigen Konto.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Fast $30 Millionen für den Ratsch. Und du theorisierst, er bekommt die Rechte, die legalen Rechte, in Perpetuität. Also das Krankenhaus, das Kinderhaus. Ja. Was haben sie dir gesagt, als du sie mit dieser riesigen Theorie konfrontiert hast?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Michael Jackson scheint fast zu auditionieren. Ja. Für eine Art Rolle. Er ist so hübsch. Es stellt die Frage auf, was sie hier tun sollen. Ja. In dieser Halle in England. Und da ist Yogo, ein echter... Ein riesiger Kindheitserinnerungsscheck.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So if the top authority at the hospital is telling you, is telling us, yeah, I didn't see anything like that. What was this check for?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Right, and he'd visited the hospital before. So this is just like the general, like, I want to support a good cause neutrally without any sort of strings, even vaguely attached. That's the one theory.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Aber wenn du dich daran erinnerst, Michael Jackson als derjenige, der einen Scheiß-Witch-Doktor bezahlt hat, um Steven Spielberg zu verurteilen, dann klingt es so, dass wir Theorie Nummer zwei nicht vollständig beurteilen können.
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Die Durchführung dieses gesamten Episodes war die Befragung. Es gab Leute, die sich verurteilt haben. Und die nächste Frage ist, ein paar Jahre später, wie war es, als das große Ormond Street Children's Hospital, diese guten Leute, mit denen du gesprochen hast, von weit weg Michael Jackson gesehen hat, jetzt der weltweit bekannteste verurteilte Kindesverbrecher?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
What legal recourse do these people have? What do they consider, given that Michael Jackson was living at Neverland Ranch, the most famous manifestation of their whole trademark?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
This is mind-blowing to me, because this is the exact opposite of the Spider-Man-Graveyard-Logic that we talked about before.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
We are suey generous when it comes to suing.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Robert Pike sagte, was werden wir tun, all diese Leute zu schulden, deren Häuser... Das ist genau, was du tun würdest. Das ist nur, was passiert. Es ist bemerkenswert, dass ich es bis jetzt in der Investigation nicht gedacht habe.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Weil in Amerika sehen wir diese Dinge wie ihre verleumdeten Häuser. Schlechte Dinge passieren an einem Ort, der einen bestimmten Namen trägt. Wir müssen das Ort schützen, von dem wir immer mit Michael Jackson verbunden sind.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
See, this is what I'm talking about. No great, great nephew of J.M. Barrie. I do not think so.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Ever since we threw that team into the ocean, it's very clear, we love representation.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und wir können diese Liebe quantifizieren, es scheint, weil eine 2005-Analyse, die ich gefunden habe, von den legalen Steuern der verehrten Royal Economic Society in den USA, fand, dass die Vereinigten Staaten ungefähr dreimal so viele zivilen Befragungen wie England. Und auch, wir sparen ungefähr dreimal so viel Geld auf der ganzen Litigation.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
In Wahrheit, niemand auf der Welt spart mehr auf Befragungen, als, Sie haben es gewusst, Amerika. Was, glaube ich, weniger über Michael Jackson und Neverland und Peter Pan sagt und wahrscheinlich ein bisschen mehr über Yorgo und seine extrem unkorrekte Theorie und den Rest von uns. Weil wir Lawsuiten lieben. We love torts. We love suing our fellow American for all sorts of things.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Michael Jacksons Autograph in blauem Kurs. Ja. But the most curious detail that we are pausing this video to zoom in on is the recipient of this giant $450,000 check.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Straight on till morning. But it does remind me though, like in a perfect sort of poetic way, like the full circle nature of the story, which is that Neverland, this concept that represented a place where you are free from the concerns of adults. Yes. Yes.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Jorgo Archidas, thank you for reminding all of us where all of this, both Peter Pan and this country actually came from.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Wollen Sie nicht wachsen? Nein, ich bin Peter Pan. Nein, Sie sind nicht Michael Jackson. Ich bin Peter Pan in meinem Herzen. Die Grund, warum Sie zu mir kamen, ist, weil Sie eine Theorie haben, die Sie beurteilen, dass dieses Video, das niemand anderes so bemerkt hat, die Szene eines Quid-Pro-Quo ist, das die berühmteste Celebrity-Haus in Amerika ermöglicht hat, um Neverland Ranch zu nennen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Allerdings. Ja. Bevor wir in diese Michael-Jackson-Theorie hineingehen, müssen Sie die Grundlagen der Faszination verstehen. Auf der Seite unserer Berichterstatterin heute, Yorgo Archidas, der letztes Mal auf unserem Programm erscheint, um die falsche Demokratie auszudrücken, die MTVs Total Request Live war. Und mehr als letztes Mal hat er mir eine ziemlich seltsame Frage gefragt.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
And this boy, it turned out, named Ollie Jones, loved Spider-Man more than anything else in the world. And so after Ollie died in 2018, just a couple days before Christmas, actually, Ollie's father attempted to honor him with a special gravestone etched with the image of Ollie's all-time favorite Marvel-Superhero.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
An dem Punkt lernte Ali's Vater, dass seine Familie die Möglichkeit benötigte, die Möglichkeit der Firma, die Marvel besitzt, das zu tun.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und das Quote über Innocence and Magic kommt aus dem Brief, das Disney's Permissions Department an Ollis Familie gesendet hat, laut einem viralen Artikel von der BBC, welcher auch bemerkte, dass dies einfach nur eine Politik war. Disney hat ihre verehrten Gegrüßungen an Ollis Familie gesteckt.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Aber was diese Schrift erklärte, war, dass Walt Disney selbst damals beurteilt hatte, dass Disney-Charaktere niemals auf Headstones oder Memorialmarkern oder Feierabendmärkten verzeichnet werden können. Und das hat Yorgo für Jahre nachgedacht, über die Anwendung von Litigation auf der Seite dieser Branden, um die Purity ihrer Charaktere, ihrer intellektuellen Rechte zu schützen.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und wie, in mindestens einem extrem kontroversen Fall, das irgendwie nicht passiert ist. Ja. Und du warst so, ich wundere, was der offensichtlichste Beispiel für das wäre.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Was mich als eine wirklich gute Frage interessiert hat, weil warum hat die Entität, die Peter Pan verteidigt hat, nicht die Spiderman-Logik gemacht? Warum würden sie nicht beantragen, dass dieser radioaktive globale Superstar mit einer traumhaften Kindheit stoppt, diesen Charakter zu verheeren und zu korrumpieren, den er so liebte, dass er ihn weltweit entdeckt hat?
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
We have been trying to figure out the best way to tell this particular story, Yorgo.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
I mean, we should point out, psychologically speaking, the diagnosis here is pretty on the nose. Michael Jackson wollte nicht wachsen. Und hier in Peter Pan ist das Ereignis, das literarische Ereignis eines Mannes, der es nie hatte. Das ist der Versuch und das Potenzial von Michael Jacksons Liebeserfahrung mit diesem Charakter.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Michael, according to the LA Times, in March 1988, paid $28 million for a 2,700-acre ranch in the St.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
I think it has to start with one of my favorite things, which is a video I had previously never seen before.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Right. Named after the place in Peter Pan that is known as the haven where the lost boys live. And are free from the meddling and the impurity of us adults.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So we should establish here that, per your theory, nobody knows how Michael Jackson got the legal rights to call it Neverland.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Right, Michael Jackson's estate sued his own mom at one point.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So Neverland and Peter Pan, which again is the work of art that Neverland is inside of. Who owns the rights to that? The Great Ormond Street Hospital in London, England. Children's Hospital, very famous over in England. Super, one of the most famous in the world. It's been around for like ever basically.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Du willst wissen, wie alt dieses Scheiß ist? Charles Dickens war... Ja, der Ink auf der Magna Carta hat noch nicht geschnitten. Aber in dieser Geschichte ist es so, dass Charles Dickens nicht der Schreiter ist, den wir am meisten interessiert sind.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
If the sales pitch on this episode is briefly, do you want to see a video of the biggest celebrity in the world in a way you've never seen them before? I'm like, okay, so let's hit play. So explain what we're seeing here.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
It was obvious from the first performance that, oh, this is going to be a thing. Everybody got the idea of it.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So all of this business is mushrooming. The money, right? So like J.M. Barrie is rolling in it, I presume, at this point.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
So, J.M. Barrie is the Ricky Henderson of playwrights in like the 19th century.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Yeah, he's framing his check. Aber hier sollte ich anmerken, dass die echte Inspiration für Peter Pan, für Neverland, für Wendy und Tinkerbell und die Lost Boys, J.M.B. selbst war. J.M. Barrie, es scheint, hatte seinen eigenen Bruder in einem tragischen Eiskaten-Ansatz verloren, als sie jung waren. Und ihre Mutter war diejenige, die sagte, jetzt muss er nicht wachsen, um ein alter Mann zu sein.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und die Verlorenen, zum Beispiel, die Kinder, die in Neverland leben und nie wachsen mussten, wurden inspiriert von einer Familie von Orphanen in Barries Gemeinschaft, die J.M. Barrie hat mitgenommen, als er selbst wachsen musste und ein Alter geworden ist. Und das ist der Grund, weshalb J.M. Barrie nicht mit den Propheten von Peter Pan besessen wurde. Diese Scheiße war für ihn wirklich.
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Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Und diese ganze Geschichte hatte dunkle Untertonen, die er für einen sehr persönlichen Grund gelegt hatte. Und was er mehr als alles interessierte, war, den Geist seines echten Spiels zu schützen.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Oh, absolutely. I mean, again, just not to belabor this, but like New York, early COVID, it was very clear we were all like living the sci-fi movie. And we know what time it was.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
On... trying, trying to break through the literal walls and windows of the city.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Because by the way, that's the, it's the sign that we're getting our money's worth. Like the biggest experiment that I think people don't reflect on enough, and I say this, but we ran an experiment, a global experiment in which we did something that was previously impossible. We played sports without fans and everyone hated it.
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You could watch it on TV, but every player, every coach, every virtual fan, I was a virtual fan in the NBA bubble on a screen. It sucked. It sucked. And everybody could articulate.
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The background character in a Street Fighter level, just like jumping up and down on a loop. They didn't give you anything else to do. We tried it. And what we all missed in ways that we could never fully appreciate or understand until we tested it was that there is something so much more...
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
So the reason that Roy Wood Jr. is back in our podcast studio in New York, chilling with me, is not simply because he is the author of a stand-up special that I love called Lonely Flowers over on Hulu, and also the host of Have I Got News For You on CNN.
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Like you're in the dock watching the Titanic.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
It's funny that politicians are finally realizing that if we're all going to be fighting in a culture war, maybe you don't want to see the territory upon which the most people in America are sitting, which is sports. I wonder what you think of it, because you're somebody who is actually... a baseball fan.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
And suddenly, again, in the DNC, there is this prioritization of seemingly the religion that was most popular for the entirety of American history, which is sports.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Roy is here because, like me, he finds himself trying to safely navigate the wreckage that is 2025, a year in which every institution in our country, from our economy to our politics to our media, is not simply changing human behavior, but also just crashing into each other all of the time, which has the effect of disconnecting us and breaking us apart.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
I mean, look, there are just so many easy ways to test. Every sports fan knows when someone is pretending to be a sports fan.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
We can all tell. Yes. Because there are little linguistic giveaways and references and names and people who can't actually hit the tennis ball back and forth of language.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
You wildcat packed this jersey and put it on.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
The bar is literally, can you plausibly name three players from the team that you say you're a fan of?
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
The subtext of all of this is that I thought we had the guy who could do this for the non-Trump sectors of our country, and he was not it.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Have him do interviews with sports people.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Well, again, connection, right? Like, what does it mean? It means that someone else sees a bit of themselves in you. And it's not that hard, actually. Yeah. It's kind of the whole glue that kept a grocery store functioning, although we never appreciated it until we took that out.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Right after this ad.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
But to stop going fast and furious on the freeway, behind the wheel, is also a massive change in personal behavior for Roy Wood Jr. Because Roy, who was an Alabama native, had a way of life as a prolific road comic that obeyed one urgent iron law. If you don't make it, you don't get paid. I've always thought of you as a guy who is, you're a master of the road.
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I am born and raised in this city, which means that these are foreign lands to me. So please explain what I've missed at AutoZone.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
I know the jingles. More than I know the places.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
You've described the feeling that again, as a young person, I imagine part of it is like, oh, and I also fit in Like there's this larger community of people with some interests that I also share. And they see me.
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Like you are, there's a journalistic sensibility to you and your comedy, but it is born of you seeing the country. And now what you're saying is you don't want to see it in the way that you used to see it, at least when it comes to the driving aspect of it.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
I accidentally went to what has been labeled a 4D movie. Are you familiar with what the fourth dimension is?
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Yes, and they will also shoot gusts of compressed air at you. Pass.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
The burning flesh that they won't otherwise want to show you in the news.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
I saw Fast and Furious in 4D. And my main critique was that I wasn't prepared for how herky and jerky that seat was going to be.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
What are you doing with those screens? What are you doing with those rooms?
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Well, there's a whole debate about whether movie theaters should be serving dinner in the way that now.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Yeah, like the Alamo Draft House model.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Right, right. Ordering avocado toast.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Hot dogs and burgers being played out is the most un-American thing you've said this entire time.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
at the end here i uh we have found we have found footage of barack obama swinging a baseball bat wow and i'd like to show it to you and i'd like you to describe what you're seeing wow and as as a scout let me let me just turn it around for the right moment there you go okay not bad didn't step into it but he's got a good follow-through he must play golf
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I was going to say, that is... It's a golf back swing that's reapplied for baseball. His shirt is tucked into his jeans.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Have you seen the footage of... You've seen the footage of Ted Cruz playing basketball. No. This game goes to 11. Cruz gets the rebound.
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Everything we've said in this conversation indicates that that era is over. It just feels like when, again, Godzilla is attacking your city and we need our own monster to fight him. Yes.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Mothra A. Smith. Go take care of this.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
When they Google the New York Times story about you and they say, what is this, quote, youthful indiscretion?
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
That's right. Roy Wood Jr., I appreciate you coming to this studio in person and, you know, doing the thing that I love to do with you, which is legitimately and not coincidentally connect.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Roy, it would be my honor to stare straight ahead and not have to look at each other and just get mad at stuff with you.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Oh, God. You got Roy Wood Jr. What I found out today on this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, is that you're my NASCAR plug.
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right now those are the type of connects i have nascar auto racing i got space i got to imagine the cubs eight-year-old roy wood jr could not be more thrilled that this is how his life turned out it's insane it's absolutely insane thank you for doing this man thank you for having me brother This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
What accounts for that difference in desire? Is it energy? Is it actually fearing the mortality rates of being on the road this often?
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But... And it's racist pretty often, is my working hypothesis. It feels.
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I was going to make the parallel though. I was going to make the parallel, right? So we're talking, again, your special Only Flowers is about the loss of connection in human civilization and particularly in America. And one of the things I think about when it comes to the isolation of people who are like porn addicts, It's like better them in the porn gun range than them out in the street.
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Is there a substitution effect of like, hey, I'm really into this. I can only get these off in a very controlled environment.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
So as I'm watching your special, which is on Hulu, and you've talked about this a bunch, I want to avoid talking about exactly the things you've talked about with the exception of one joke, which is a classic. It's the unintended consequences of what happens when you eliminate cashiers. Yeah. And when you institute self-checkout.
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It works because it is brilliant, obvious, and yet, until now, unsaid in this way.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
I didn't realize that that was part of the dynamic.
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study someone was telling me about. Or at least it was an MIT professor who was telling me and maybe this was anecdotal experience. But what he found was that when he was on a road trip and both people were staring out the window and not looking at each other, they just found that conversation was that much easier.
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There is something about sharing the experience of being next to somebody and not, like, holding them to any sort of visual account. And I wonder if that's something that you found with your son.
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I did have the thought, like, can't we get a bigger helicopter with more water?
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Yeah, it's like you guys got to unlock the better ice missile stuff in the video game. You're still on like, you know, rookie level.
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That feels better than water. It's where I feel the most like Trump is where I have questions like, what if we nuked the hurricane?
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
Waiting for those Mario Kart, what is it like when you see, when you're right nearby, you get a special boost to pass them.
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The late, great Mr. Wizard. Oh, he's out of here? As of 07. Rest his soul. It just feels like one of those titles that you read in parentheses and with quote marks in like the deposition document. Yeah. Mr. Wizard.
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I have noticed, though, in all of this, like what you're really talking about is the value of, certainly in grocery stores, of small talk. And that's what sports was always. Yeah. That was always what sports was for me. was a way to connect with people, whether it's at a wedding reception in Arkansas or whether it's just friends at school. Like, I also speak your language fluently.
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Yeah, that's why the weather is always there for you if you don't know shit about the Mets.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
No one's like, you know what? We should meet up later to do this again.
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A New Roadmap for Actual Human Connection, with Roy Wood Jr.
A common cause, however temporary.
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We Finally Found the Star of the Worst (and Most Mysterious) Commercial in Sports History
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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We Finally Found the Star of the Worst (and Most Mysterious) Commercial in Sports History
Yes, so just to tick off some of them here, the Federalist Society, which is a very famous, historic at this point, conservative and libertarian legal organization, Er ist ein großer Donner für sie. Die Heritage Foundation, die rechte-sechste Denktank. Ann Schuetz ist auch ein großer Donner für sie.
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Er steht auch in den New York Times-Headlines, so wie, Quote, Neil Gorsuch hat ein Web von Beziehungen zu Secretive Billionaire. The billionaire being Philip Anschutz, Neil Gorsuch aforementioned being the Supreme Court Justice now. This goes back to the 2000s, I guess, when Anschutz and his companies hired said future Supreme Court Justice as their outside counsel.
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He is simply, Zach, one of the most conservative owners in all of sports. He's given to Republican candidates.
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The part that I do need to say, I guess for legal reasons, is that Philipp Anschutz is the type of guy also who does not grant interviews. The New Yorker, by the way, has reported previously that he does not even use a cell phone or email to But he also declared that reports about his donations to homophobic political organizations were, quote, fake news and garbage.
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And he indicated that he stopped funding said groups, which, to his apparent surprise, did support such causes. But as much as he is trying to not actually be heard in public, we did find a bit of rare video of this man. This is at the 84th annual U.S. Conference of Mayors. Es war 2016 und es ist ein Übersetzer, der für den Dalai Lama übertrifft. Und neben ihnen ist Lady Gaga.
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Hier spricht Philipp Anschutz tatsächlich laut.
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Ich möchte erklären, was dieses Kommerz ist, weil es nicht wirklich ein Produkt verkauft, glaube ich.
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Wenn man sich fragt, wie reich Philipp Anschutz ist, hat er die Art von Geld, mit dem Lady Gaga und der Dalai Lama auf der Bühne sitzen und mit ihm über Sport oder was auch immer sprechen.
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Yeah. But all of it is to say that, yeah, the diet... All the ads read very much like the poster where the cat is hanging from the tree and it's hanging in there.
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This whole operation that Anschutz has funded, it seems like their mission, if nothing else, is to be as omnipresent as they can be.
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Aber in deiner Verteidigung, nur psychologischerweise, die Foundation hat die folgende Statistik veröffentlicht. Die Kampagne hat in mehr als 200 Ländern erhoben. Nielsen sagt, dass die Ads an einem Punkt mehr als 10 Millionen Impressionen pro Tag auf US-Netzwerk-Televisionen hatten.
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Und dann estimierte Current Affairs Magazine, dass es einmal so viele wie 10.000 Billboards gab, Zach, in den Vereinigten Staaten. Aufgrund der Outdoor Advertising Association of America ist es die größte und erfolgreichste PSA-Billboard-Kampagne in der Geschichte der Vereinigten Staaten. Sie sind überall und sie sind...
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Wenn du dir Google nennst, der schlimmste Kommerz auf YouTube, das ist genau da in den ersten paar Ergebnissen. Es hat über 1 Mio. Zuschauer auf diesem Video. Es gibt viele, viele mehr. Es geht allgemein immer viral. Ich glaube, wir sollten es einfach spielen. Ja. Weil das ist, was dieses, wiederum, viral-Commercial klingt.
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on a big poster underneath a kitten, not as inspirational.
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So this is where I should jump in to say that Philip Anschutz's company, the Anschutz Corporation, did decline our request, here at Pablo Torre Finds Out, for an interview with the 45th richest man in the world himself.
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And that the executive director of the Anschutz Foundation also didn't respond to messages that we left at a phone number and also an email address that were provided by the Anschutz Corporation.
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Also, für den Rekord, weder die Foundation for a Better Life, noch der Präsident, der Mann, der den Non-Profit hinter all diesen Pass-it-on-Ads für Sportmannschaft und Liebe und Lernen und so weiter, antwortete zu unseren vielen Anforderungen für Kommentare, die auch eine detaillierte Liste unserer Fragen inkludierten.
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Aber was wir herausgefunden haben, dank der Jahre von Tax-Retouren, die Zach Schwartz gedreht hat, ist, dass diese Organisationen alle, in Wahrheit, intertwined sind. und sieben Figuren via Ausgleichsbedingungen im Prozess gesichert. Zum Beispiel im Jahr 2021 gab die Anschütz-Foundation einen 2,4-Millionen-Dollar-Grant für den General-Operations-Support an die Foundation for a Better Life.
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Right after this ad. You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Whose tax returns that same year listed nearly two million dollars in production costs for TV commercials and billboards and other ads under the heading of direct charitable activities. And even more specifically, the promotion of, quote, quality values for all individuals, regardless of their race or religion. It's a line which may now sound familiar.
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Because yes, also the networks and the billboard companies that broadcast these ads, they also get to deduct the quote fair market value of that ad slot. von ihren Steuern. Aber was all diese Papierarbeit und das Aufstehen all dieses Accounting wirklich für uns getan hat, war etwas noch wichtigerer für die Ziele dieses Videos.
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Remember, Monate früher hatte Zach diese ganze Reise begonnen, indem er einen letztendlich unhilfreichen Sekretär anruftete. Und jetzt hatte er diese Dokumente. Dokumente mit all diesen Details, die Zach in eine neue Richtung gezwungen haben. In seiner Suche nach dem ganzen Grund, warum er hier war.
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To be very fair to you, it is absolutely a journalist's last resort when they are beating their head against the wall and are like, fine, what does the internet have for me? It killed me. Because I was like, all right, I'll wave the white flag. You remember getting that message and being like, fuck, how did I not have the story idea already?
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Die Antwort war, er folgte dir, während du ihn suchst.
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I don't know.
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It was kind of like the opposite of an episode of Catfish, I guess, on MTV.
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von dem, dass du und B.J. Porter, a.k.a. der ehemalige assistierte Manns-Basketball-Coach an der Universität Denver und der aktuellen Athleten-Direktor an einer privaten Schule in Orange County, Kalifornien, du und B.J. Porter slash Alex in demselben Raum in einem Podcast-Studio in L.A. in dem ihr euch endlich in Person treffen konntet. Wie war der Moment, als er in die Tür ging?
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Aber wenn es um die Frage geht, wie dieser Basketballspieler wird, der Basketballspieler, mit dem wir besessen wurden, wie er Alex wird. Wie hat B.J. Porter die schlechteste Rolle in der Geschichte der Sportkommunikationen bekommen? He was a child actor.
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The acting credits that child actor BJ Porter has to his name include...
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How vivid is BJ's memory now of that day?
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The guys who very plausibly hated this kid's f***ing guts were actually his real life friends.
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Warte, es war schlimmer, bevor es die Version wurde, die wir kennen? Es war schlimmer und leider ist das Original zu spät verloren. So this pretty dramatically changes everything if you were to rewatch it now through the lens of what you've reported for us. The haunting decision that forced BJ Porter into hiding. The acting required when it came to him having to give his confession.
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That in fact he committed the crime. It's him. It was him the entire time. The ball went out of bounds off of Alex. What does he recall?
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Er hat einen... Das ist wirklich die Definition eines Hangdogs. Seine Augen sind so groß wie Saucers. Seine Lippe ist im Grunde überflüssig. Er schaut sich aus, wie er sich verabschiedet hat, für das, was er zu beurteilen hat. Ich habe es getroffen.
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So just to be very clear about this, The whole point of this ad is that the ball went out of bounds off of Alex. In the commercial, we don't actually see it going off of the real life BJ Porters hands in the scene. This is the story of this ad in a nutshell, is that of course it didn't actually happen the way that everybody thought it did.
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So, how long did it take from production and filming to release? When did Alex actually get to see his work?
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As somebody who watched a lot of Law & Order in college with his roommates... The idea that you'd be watching an episode and be in a commercial that would then render you the victim in an internet murder mystery, basically, where you have to go into hiding as a result. You truly cannot script like this, Zach.
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Ja, im Sportkriminaljustizsystem sind die Leute von zwei unterschiedlichen, aber ebenfalls wichtigen Gruppen vertreten. Die Memes und die Leute, die auf sie knacken.
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So just to set us in Internet time, in the history of our culture, Zach, this is 08, BJ Porter is trying to be a real life, actual college basketball player, and this commercial comes on, and now we're beginning to see the spread, right?
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So, als das jetzt in bestimmten Fällen von diesen College-KidInnen bemerkt wird, die auch vermutlich mit ihren Freunden im Dorm mit dem Gesetz und Ordnung betrachten, wie fühlte es sich an, als wäre es viral?
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And the coach gives Alex the like, you know what, you do what you think is right.
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Yeah, I just looked up the comments today and someone wrote, Sounds like something Drake would do. Damn. Getting roasted unto eternity.
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Which is all to say, Zach, that you found BJ Porter, the guy who played Alex, who played at Weber State, alongside Damian Lillard, and one of the people who remembers vividly this very true fact pattern happens to be Dame Lillard, who we sent a correspondent to interview in Miami.
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We got the vibe while talking to Dame that he didn't cosign Alex's coat of honor.
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Doing better promotion than Philip Anschutz could ever have dreamed of. But the whole thing, I mean, truly, like, as BJ Porter is making his way through college and his basketball journey, as again, he's trying to be a real player. How did he deal with this? How did he deal with the attention that was already obvious to him? He's a very good basketball player.
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Right, he's trying to start a family and meanwhile Alex is still watching him.
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An einem bestimmten Punkt muss es sein, dass seine eigenen Kinder, jetzt, dass er ein älterer Mann ist, auch das zu ihm zeigen.
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And my son's like, Daddy, why did they call you Alex? All wishes to say that he could not escape this at home at the happiest place on earth. in Lockerräumen auf der Internetseite, ist genug, um jemanden zu machen, der wirklich ein Rekluse wird.
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Right, which brings him back to you, following you. And just to complete the circle here, the beautiful part of the story to me, the symmetrical part of the story, is that BJ Porter became a real-life basketball coach. Er wurde die andere Person im Kommerz, die ihn beschämt. Und ich glaube, meine Frage am Ende hier ist, wie sieht Coach B.J. Porter Alex?
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Yeah, values.com, the foundation for a better life. It feels like a commercial about sports made by people who have never seen sports before. Yes. It's like this is what you should do as if this is a plausible thing that anybody in that very specific circumstance would ever actually do. Totally.
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Wie würde er ein Kind behandeln, das das, was er selbst in diesem Ad gemacht hat, nie ausstehen kann?
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What I feel like I found out, Zach, what I found out, thanks to your reporting today, is what actual sportsmanship in the age of the Internet actually looks like, which is far more vivid now, thanks to BJ Porter, the embodiment of that principle online, than it was in the ad he started that literally had the word sportsmanship in big letters trying to drill into us, you know, values.com. Total.
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It's so rare to have a story about a child star who gets eaten by Twitter and comes out on the other side being like, I think I'm better for this.
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Zach Schwartz, you're now free from a journalistic prison of your own devising. And all I can do now is... Shoulder check you off of my show and tell you earnestly. Nice going, Zach.
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Thank you.
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And I'll talk to you next time.
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Und nur um einen Sinn zu geben, wie viel Obsession die Leute hatten, als dieses spezielle Szenario so gespielt wurde. Ich habe Ron Russillo und Bill Simmons darüber gesprochen, ein paar Jahre zuvor.
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Es verkircht sich wieder, weil alle kringen und dann wählen, auf diese unglaublich unvergleichbare Moral zu schlagen. Und, Gott, ja, Alex wurde der Leitmotor für all das. Und also für dich, wann hast du angefangen zu wundern, okay, alle reden immer über Alex. Ja. Wer ist er? Wann kommt dir diese Frage zum ersten Mal in den Sinn?
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Und es war Alex. Es wurde ziemlich klar, sobald ich angefangen habe, dass Alex nicht bereit war, sich zu entdecken.
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How did you start your quest to find Alex?
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So this charity, this foundation, which again in the commercial, it's flashed on screen at the very end, the foundation for a better life at values.com. Values.com, yeah. When you start to look into this website, what do you begin to see?
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I have this issue when I go out and I talk to people in real life and they're like, so what do you do? And I have to explain what my show is. And I've settled upon, Zach, a summary, which is basically, I use journalism to solve mysteries that are technically about sports.
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The text on the website, Zach. It's so anodyne. I'll read it off of the site right now. They say, quote, We choose values we hope most individuals would find encouraging and relevant. Then we provide an uplifting message based on each value in an effort to encourage people to bring out the best in themselves. And they go on.
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As a non-partisan, non-sectarian organization, we carefully design our public service messages to have general universal appeal. And then they say, the foundation's small staff works with a network of writers, art directors and production professionals. And none of that is very helpful. No. None of that is like giving us an actual detail. It's like, so what do you guys do here?
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This ad that I definitely haven't made fun of online with millions upon millions of people exactly like me.
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So in the limited research that I have done compared to your mountain of deep diving, Zach, the first thing you realize when you research the foundation for a better life on YouTube is that Alex is not alone. Because apparently there is a whole catalog of commercials beyond simply the story of Alex and sportsmanship that are about stuff like not shoplifting CDs.
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This one's titled Do the Right Thing. Come on, man.
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Und dann gibt es auch diesen, den ich für alle spielen wollte, weil er heißt Umpire.
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Es ist wie ein sepia-toned, fast altzeitiges Baseball-Aspekt hier.
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The umpire has called a man out who was safe by a zillion miles.
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Aber der echte Führer deiner Biografie jetzt ist Zach Schwartz, ein Typ, der wirklich unvergleichbar ist in einer sehr spezifischen Obsession über das schlechteste Kommerz in der Geschichte des Sportes.
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And so, who is the person behind these ads, Zach? Who is the person that the secretary and the CEO unhelpfully in the end would not connect you to? His name is Philip Anschuss.
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Er hat seinen Namen auf dem Champions-League-Trophäe im Major-League-Soccer. Und ich habe noch nie, bis ich mit dir gesprochen habe, gedacht, wer ist dieser Kerl?
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The darting of the eyes as he's insisting, as the anchor is insisting, this is important. This is very, very, very important.
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But when it comes to why this may actually be important to Stephanie Turner, which I want to take seriously here, part of the reason the story has been shaped this way is because the person that all of these outlets keep on interviewing is is Stephanie Turner.
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And now we're at the point that every parent in America is immediately going to extrapolate a lot from that simple statement, right? It's the eternal trans debate, which we've done many episodes of this show about. Men have an advantage over women. And I'm not even here with you today to even argue otherwise.
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What I want to clarify simply is when it comes to Stephanie Turner's career and her fears about facing a male fencer, On the level of physical safety, as one very popular argument goes, and then on the level of competitive disadvantage, which is the other one that we just heard articulated. How do you assess that part of her story?
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So just to recap for people who don't know how fencing works. Fencing is a sport where literally the first time you touch the other person… Everything stops. Everything stops. Yeah. But this is where I just gotta jump in here for a second in order to be maximally generous to Stephanie Turner and her philosophy, maybe.
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Because even though fencing is a sport premised upon this electronic sensor system where the slightest brush will trigger a point and force a reset, maybe Stephanie Turner just disagrees personally with Andrew Fishel and his mixed coaching philosophy that he articulated.
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Maybe she believes that her weapon, and she competes in foil, is this long and pointy and bendy object, and that is something to be far more fearful about than Andrew is. Maybe it's the case that Stephanie Turner therefore did not want to compete in any way against a class of people whose physical and also competitive advantage was that much greater than hers. And that is her right.
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I suppose, no matter how frivolous or inconsequential the tournament in question might be. But there is something else that we should also consider here, which is that maybe there might be another detail about the protesting fencer in question, Stephanie Turner, that Fox News and the Trump administration simply don't want you to realize.
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So this part, as I'm consulting the record books here, right? So Stephanie Turner, the weekend before she did her protest, she kneeled against Red Sullivan. faced, it seems, five men in a mixed tournament.
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Voluntarily, with no issue, in pool two of that tournament, she faced three male opponents, won 5-2 against a guy named Harrison Kovacs, won 5-2 against Luka Spektor, lost 5-1 to Ian Flynn, who was a C-rated fencer who finished third in that tournament. And then in elimination rounds, she beat Ethan Lee, 15-12. In the first round, beat Pau Chau Esteban, 15-14.
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Then lost 15-5 to Luis Largespara, who got second place, also derated. And that's how the tournament went. Which is to say that, like, the whole horror of fencing an alleged man... I mean, literally the week before she did all of that.
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It feels like when it comes to Stephanie Turner claiming that the disqualification happened because of this protest, because of these views that are from this place of integrity. Can you clarify the rules governing integrity here? What? was the punishment and why did that punishment happen?
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In terms of the mechanics of how a black card, a disqualification occurs, you're saying this would happen for any reason.
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And so when it comes to the letter, for instance, that Ted Cruz wrote to USA Fencing claiming, quote, this young woman, Stephanie Turner, was set to face a man who now claims to be a transgender woman in a fencing bout, this gets to this other key complaint that has been circulated widely that is familiar to anybody who has covered trans athletes, which is that here is a man who chose to transition to women's sports simply to greedily and cunningly
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gobble up all of these trophies. And I should cite a poll that we here at Pablo Torre finds out had commissioned actually back in March. It's a Rasmussen poll. And what we found was that a majority of Republicans think that biologically male athletes are becoming transgender specifically to win championships in women's sports. This is 39% who say that's very likely, 18% say somewhat likely.
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That's not what's happening. What did you learn about Red Sullivan's own alleged overnight decision to compete as a woman?
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What I think people miss in all of the narrative being spun is that the reason that these athletes that you go and actually interview, what they actually say and prove all of the time is that they're doing this because this is who they are. Yeah. It's not...
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We are a tweet recitation safe space.
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I mean, if anything, Andrew, what we've learned about what it's like to be a trans female athlete.
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We clearly know that it rules. Yeah. Like, this is awesome. Who wouldn't want to sign up for the experience that Red Sullivan has clearly signed up for?
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And I think a key part that also gets missed all the time in the coverage is that people presume that it is open season. Like, there are no rules. Yeah, there are a lot of very specific rules. Which is to say that Red Sullivan played by the rules. She did everything she was supposed to do.
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So your perspective as somebody who's been inside of USA Fencing, which has been governed by a policy, it's worth reminding everybody that here's the policy, quote, according to USAFencing.org.
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Athletes being treated with testosterone suppression medication for the purposes of USA fencing sanctioned competitions may continue to compete in men's events, but may only compete in women's events after completing one calendar year, 12 months, of testosterone suppression treatment. Proof of compliant hormone therapy must be provided prior to competition.
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But now, in terms of what the government is trying to do from this top-down way, What is their new proposal for what the rules should be?
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And if you just want a sense here of how much time our cash-strapped federal government is now devoting to banning trans fencers, just despite the fact that the only example they got is a D-rated fencer at a meaningless tournament for casuals who got the same punishment anyone anywhere would get if they withdrew from any match,
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Even though also this same fencer had also defeated a series of actual biological men the literal weekend before, there is something that I think you should know here. Because last week, on account of all of the energy generated by this single stupid story, House Republicans subpoenaed the board chair of USA Fencing.
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And that seriousness and that approach, I just want to make it clear to everybody who already is like, oh my god, you're doing another fencing episode. The reason I'm doing it is because this story is unbelievably interesting. Whether you give a single s*** about fencing or whether you devoted your whole life to this as you have, as you wear, by the way, your USA fencing garb.
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And they did it in order to force him to testify in front of Congress during this giant hearing that is taking place tomorrow that we mentioned before. Previously, USA Fencing had been trying to avoid Marjorie Taylor Greene and this inquisition slash circus, which also naturally involved multiple letters from Doge.
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But now, USA Fencing's entire legal status as an NGB, meaning a national governing body, which is the nonprofit in charge of organizing and promoting and running the whole Olympic pipeline for fencing in America, is at stake.
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but you should also know that this entire equilibrium, quite obviously, feels like it's on the brink. Last month, the head of the USOPC, the United States Olympic and Paralympic Committee, said about the trans policy question, quote, it is not our role to take on that position, end quote, deferring instead to the international federations,
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Meanwhile, speaking of international competition, you may have heard that the next Summer Olympic Games are in Los Angeles in 2028. And apparently, LA 28's host contract requires the United States to guarantee access to quote, all qualified athletes.
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That's the term, all qualified athletes, which might logically conflict with Executive Order 14201 because EO 14201 is actively trying to ban qualified trans athletes. And then there's the fact that Trump's attorney general and his education secretary continue to threaten a criminal investigation, yes, a criminal investigation, over the alleged injustice suffered by one Stephanie Turner.
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And so what's the vibe, Andrew, around fencing, USA fencing specifically, when it comes to just criminal threats and legislation and the top cabinet members for President Trump all taking personal interest in this?
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So you're saying that the Doge hearing run by Marjorie Taylor Greene You don't expect to get that level of elucidation.
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In multiple forms, yeah. Yeah, multiple layers of patriotism when it comes to the integrity of American fencing. Yes. And by the way, I want to also credit the people who participated on that show we did last year who... in various ways that I cannot fully disclose, were contacted by law enforcement overseas, just like real , man.
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So I want to just elucidate myself a couple of thoughts as I now process all of the reporting that you've helped us do here, which is that number one, there is a very familiar and established playbook for athletes who are not
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among the best in their sport, or in this case, anything close to it, claiming to be victims, even though they may or may not have fenced male fencers, the week before, to no issue, no concern about physical safety or competitive inequity.
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So there is that, just the idea of, well, now I can be a spokesperson, invited to Washington, being platformed by the most important federal officials in our country, And there's a second thought, because as we replay some of these videos, Andrew, I think you and I are noticing a similar thing here. A trend, yes, in many of them.
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Which is that, yes, the voices you're hearing, if you're just listening to this, are addressing the trans athlete scandal. But the visuals... Right. What else are you seeing, let's say, in the bottom right corner of those Fox News clips? I'm noticing the Dow is plummeting.
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It is no coincidence, I think, to either of us, it seems that... The trans athlete tends to be even more loudly proclaimed as a problem when there are other actual... Real problems. Real f***ing problems. Yeah, very real problems. I mean, I cannot think of a more familiar option in a playbook than, is there a trans female athlete out there somewhere that someone feels victimized by?
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That we can talk about really loudly for the next 20 minutes, yeah. So we don't talk about tariffs or the rule of law or... Mass deportation even. Or any of those other very unimportant topics. Or the general lack of information security around our Defense Department.
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Or the fact that conservative justices are actively saying that the guy who appointed them is not obeying the basic tenets of the Constitution. But there is Stephanie Turner. Yeah, very important.
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And so at this point, I just feel obligated to point out, as I do in pretty much every episode about trans athletes that we have ever done, and we've done three of them before this one, incidentally, that I do still think there are real scientific debates and questions to be raised here. There are real discussions, for instance, about what the specific hormone policy should be.
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How do we construct a regimen of rules? How much irreversible competitive advantage is there for an athlete who went through male puberty as compared to an athlete who never did? These are all fair objections, fair questions, fair discussions. But what is so undeniable to me, the more I report on this story,
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is how unbelievably overblown and intentionally dishonest and politically convenient the coverage of this issue continues to be. And now that coverage has come to fencing.
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And so the reason you're here today is an interesting inversion of this premise of here you are, the whistleblower for the integrity of fencing, now evaluating what is the biggest story in all of sports according to Fox News. Yeah, and the U.S. government.
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So what I wanted to do here also was ask our fencing expert, our resident whistleblower, Andrew Fishel, to open our eyes to an actual cheating scandal, one that might truly warrant your attention here inside his poorly-written spy novel of a sport.
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So for those, again, unfamiliar, in fencing, there's an electronic scoring system in which touches are, in fact, registered via some electronic sensor system with wires that, of course, evolved over time. But it seems, Andrew, not so much that the buzzer has entirely disappeared from the corruption of the competitive landscape.
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Which is to say that there is cheating. Like the episode
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we did together about the corruption of judges like massive again arguably singular in the already deeply corrupt landscape of olympic sports like fencing seems to have this issue this existential problem when it comes to competitive inequity but this fencer can we put a name to this fencer who are we talking about and can we walk through some of the video here
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And so her alleged accomplice here, the person who she was working with in this theory of corruption, was who? It was alleged that it was her father who was helping her do this. But the reason we feel comfortable describing the allegation is because this is not originally levied by either of us here. This is something that it seems has been videotaped by, in this case, what kinds of people?
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So the videos that we're about to show you here, this is taken by an Italian referee of this Italian fencer's dad, whose hand is, I will just editorially comment here, is very awkwardly in his pocket. Yes.
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It's a bit odd, for sure. I mean, the rest of his body is sort of like spasming, and his hand remains in his pocket, also doing its own spasm. Yeah. I would be concerned for reasons if I did not know about buzzer technology, is what I am going to gently observe here. Yeah.
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Right, right. So in terms of the seriousness that the sport has undertaken their own investigation with... How do you describe what's happened since that controversy?
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And so when it comes to just being fair to the Italian fans who are in question, Lucia Luccherini, I know that you offered her the opportunity to comment in any way on the record. And what was her position on that?
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Right. So, in other words, if anybody out there wants to, you know, have their dad put his hand in his right pocket and just hit a buzzer over and over again, as happened, by the way, in more examples than the one we just played.
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Yeah, just maybe be aware that at least one sports-adjacent podcast has taken an interest in knowing why and how any of this is happening.
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So at the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, Andrew Fishel, as you're familiar, we talk about what we found out today. And what I'm finding out is not something that I necessarily expected to find out in fencing, but it's one that I certainly have been familiar with, which is the amount of attention that our actual government, let alone its propaganda news arms, are paying for.
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are actively paying to shit that doesn't matter. It's so irrelevant. Continues to make my jaw drop. Yeah. Like, for real, like, I'm not saying that there aren't, as you put it, like, actual debates around the science and the regulations and competitive inequities. Yes, absolutely. Between men and women. Like, we have done episodes about this.
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We reiterate that actual serious discussion being valuable and necessary. But when it comes to just the priorities our country has right now, It's just insane. Yeah, it is. Actively insane how much f***ing time we're spending on this topic generally, but also these sorts of athletes specifically, man.
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Meanwhile, though, I do wish that when I'm watching Fox News the next time, that I myself could have a buzzer that I could press that prevented anybody on that side of the aisle who cares so deeply about this topic to not score any points for all of the hits they are making.
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For those who haven't been watching a ton of Fox News recently, haven't been watching the articles, the comments from JK Rowling to Martina Navratilova to certainly cabinet members like Linda McMahon, whose voice we heard, the former wrestling promoter turned Secretary of Education of the United States. How would you describe the tonnage of coverage here?
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Part of what's darkly funny about this, of course, is that you have to convince, typically, we have had to convince together, people, hey, pay attention to fencing. There's some real corruption going on. Yeah. Here, though, you find that the appetite seemingly has been insatiable. Yeah, it's true. And all of this coverage is originating from this would-be match from March 30th.
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And you can see the video, of course, all around social media, on X especially. But it takes place at a tournament called the Cherry Blossom Open at the University of Maryland.
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And look, as a sports fan, right? The idea of like an athlete protesting by taking a knee.
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This had been previously a thing when Colin Kaepernick was doing this in the NFL. Was a thing that carried a very different tone when it came to Fox News coverage, when it came to Trump's administration. Yes, that's true. But here... Andrew, the U.S. government is looking at this kneeling episode and politicians are coming out of the woodwork to truly champion the bravery of the fencer who did it.
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Ted Cruz, for instance, has a four-page letter, United States Senate letterhead dated April 7th, 2025, that he sends to who?
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And then four days later, April 11th, Linda McMahon, the US Secretary of Education, announces the formation of a Title IX investigations team
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And now, Andrew, I'm looking back at my laptop because tomorrow in Washington, D.C., I'm reading a web page on oversight.house.gov that is titled Doge Subcommittee Chair Marjorie Taylor Greene announces hearing on USA fencing allowing biological men to participate in women's events.
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in which Stephanie Turner, the fencer on the right that we've been talking about, is going to speak, as well as the board chair of USA Fencing. Damian Liefeld. And he will be testifying at a hearing at 2 p.m. Eastern. So when we step back for a second here and just look at the effort that the U.S.
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government is taking to investigate this story that we also have been investigating in our own parallel track.
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What is the big picture thought that goes through your mind?
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So when you were here last on the show, helping us investigate, helping us uncover the most corrupt sport in the Olympics, saber fencing, which was a story that went all the way to the top of the sport, all the way to Russia and beyond. Yeah. Oligarchs and international, you know, scandal. Like a poorly written spy novel or something. Well, yeah, honestly, it's a yes.
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So I just need you to know that Andrew Fishel, who last appeared on PTFO in July 2024, is a world-class fencer and coach and referee, and now whistleblower, as we mentioned. The guy is uniquely obsessed with defending the integrity of his sport, and this is to the point where nobody in the world will watch or post more video of fencing than him.
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He has these Instagram and YouTube accounts that serve as the sport's de facto global library, basically. And so with USA fencing back in the news on the heels of the NCAA following President Trump's recent executive order, Executive Order 14201, quote, keeping men out of women's sports, end quote, Andrew and I decided to reconnect.
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And first, this was because I personally was confused about what this highly controversial match that we were talking about even is. It was held at the University of Maryland, but the event wasn't actually an NCAA event because again, Trump and the NCAA had banned trans athletes like Red Sullivan from competing with women at collegiate contests. And so that part to me sounded weird.
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But even more urgently, Andrew seemed very eager to do what nobody in the media or especially the federal government seemed interested in doing. which is the first thing that my instinct would be as a reporter, which is to say, you actually talked to the person.
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At the center of this controversy. Yes.
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The very basic question of from a sports perspective, how good is Red Sullivan at fencing?
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So to just clarify, Red Sullivan no longer fencing for... Wagner. For Wagner, her college team. Famously, thanks to the federal government. And the opponent in question, the kneeler, the protester, Stephanie Turner. What's Stephanie's scouting report?
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That now feels even more cinematic because when you left our studio and went back to your life as, in my opinion... the foremost expert on fencing in America, you became an actual recognized whistleblower.
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So we have two, and I'm going to use this because I think it's actually a term, two D-list, D-rated. D-rated, yeah. D-rated fencers. And Stephanie, also not a college fencer? I think she's 31. What phase of the fencing trajectory is that at this point?
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And so this tournament, when I hear it described by Fox News as an Olympic qualifier, again, we have investigated Olympic fencing. You live in the elite levels. That's your world. This was not an Olympic tournament.
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Well, part of what was funny about seeing some of these clips is that even Stephanie Turner at one point seemed to be put in a position of knowing that, obviously, as the fencer in question. Yes. And having to listen to this.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Extraordinarily minimal. He was represented in cartoons. He was the guy performing with slavery on his cheek. He was a symbol, the artist formerly known as. Were you a fan? I wouldn't self-identify as a fan, but certainly I knew that this guy is really good at what he does.
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What was your relationship to Prince after having seen this movie?
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My main sensation watching it was this is one of the most impressive artists that has ever lived.
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This is the thing I just find galling. I mean, I can't get past this, of like, the short-sightedness of a group of people whose interest is their own bottom line. They're afraid of his humanity. The lawyer who runs this state essentially said he believed that this would do generational harm to Prince. In essence, that the portrayal of Prince in this film, what people learn about him...
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would deter younger viewers and fans, potentially, from Loving Prince. They would be turned off. This is, I think, the big issue here. I'm like, this is a gift. A nine-hour treatment about an artist that, like, was, by the way, f***ing brilliant. Everything about who you believe he is is in this movie. You get to bathe in his genius.
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So when Ezra and I sat down in our studio to record this episode, nobody had ever heard him talking about his controversial Prince Netflix documentary, as Variety put it, into a microphone. Which is also completely unsurprising to anybody who knows Ezra. Because the guy who won the best documentary Oscar for O.J. Made in America does not love talking in public in general.
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And yet you also have to confront his humanity, which he, by the way, in some ways was trapped in not being able to expose because he got trapped in his own myth about who he was to the world. And he, like, had to maintain it.
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Can I read something to you? I was wondering why your phone is out.
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Jill Jones, who was a Prince protege, a muse, who spent essentially the 80s with him and was someone who was a girlfriend of Prince's, was in the film and to me one of the most truthful voices in the film and was someone who discussed in detail an instance where she was abused by Prince physically.
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And by the way, that's not the totality of the story of her with Prince, but like you still see how much she loves him, even though she went through an experience with him.
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That was hard, like a decade of her life wanting more, wanting to be an artist that was got to do her own album, wanting to be his exclusive girlfriend or the girlfriend when she always was sort of like, not that it was almost someone again, when you talk about. what it means to be a kept woman or she even, you know, she refers to him as like a pimp in the movie.
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And like, by the way, this is one side, but this is what she wrote after the news came out about the film being canceled. Prince was a man who lived under the weight of expectation, both his own and those of the world that adored him. He built a persona so larger than life that it became a prison, a gilded cage, one he could never fully step out of.
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Prince's struggle with drug addiction was deeply intertwined with his relentless pursuit of perfection, an impossible standard he imposed on himself to satisfy a fan base that craved his mystique, his eccentricity, and his ever-evolving artistry. At his core, he was a consummate people pleaser, trapped in the expectation to remain an enigma, always surprising, always beyond reach.
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The tragedy lies in the fact that so many refused to acknowledge the truth of who he really was. He understood this better than anyone. He knew that revealing his true self, stripped of the carefully crafted persona, would lead to rejection. And in a way, he was right. The recent choices made by Netflix and his estate only reinforce this truth.
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The world is unwilling to accept Prince as a man, only as a myth. Without the elaborate stagecraft, without the veil of mystery, his raw humanity is deemed insufficient. His struggles, his journey, his sacrifices, all the elements that shaped him will remain obscured.
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Instead, the world will likely receive a sanitized, polished version of Prince, a carefully curated illusion that erases the depth of his reality.
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Yeah, I should have interviewed her.
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Yeah, you should have.
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But I mean, I want to address what she's saying there, which is an argument on behalf of not merely this film coming out, but of how we should approach people with the aforementioned significance that is both cultural and also profound. How do we tell the story that same idol does not want to be told about themselves? With O.J.
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Simpson and with Prince, it's been here is the best attempt that I have, I, Ezra Edelman, at cracking a safe. How have those two safes, O.J. and Prince, for people who will never see the Prince film, how are they different?
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I don't think these are similar exercises. O.J. by dint of what he had gone through had been one of the more picked over Americans in our recent cultural history. So like I didn't expect there to be that much revelatory intimately that I was going to find about OJ that hasn't already in some ways been reported on.
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His whole thing is letting his work, his reporting, and all of its tonnage speak for itself. And so the OJ doc made for ESPN was eight hours long, you may recall. It was so long, actually, and so unfairly good that it inspired the Academy Awards themselves to ban multi-part series from the Best Documentary Oscar category altogether.
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I was more interested in taking a larger view of a story that sort of ended up being so fixated around, you know, a year period and a night and what happened and all this stuff that I didn't frankly care about. To understand the greater sort of sociological historical context that led us to this moment and why everyone sort of lost their minds in this the way they did.
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I want to point out, by the way, that when OJ died, I think bothered you more than I ever have in my life.
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Yeah, so did a lot of people. You did zero interviews. Like, I already did it, in my mind. So the other thing is, this is, by the way, this is the first time I ever thought about this, is I guess I'm a little like Prince in that way. I just want to move on. So yeah, I'm not interested in being a person who gets on TV and all of a sudden adds my two cents about O.J. I don't care.
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But with Prince, it felt like you were drilling into something as opposed to zooming out.
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That's correct. I had this conversation with a couple people who saw the film and they thought it was going to be more like O.J., They thought it was what Prince means to people and all this stuff. And I'm like, no, this is about this person who no one ever knew about. I was after the truth about this person's existence.
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Some of which, by the way, is his effect on others in terms of him as an artist and his popularity. But a lot of it was trying to be ironically told from his perspective of what he was doing and his own thrust going through his life.
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I also want to establish that there are lots of films, lots of documentaries categorized as such, in which access is integral to the task at hand, and they can be excellent. And they also could be fraught with issues. And you are taking an approach that is...
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deliberately different and now i just wonder if it also feels like it's endangered because when the question of who wants this is a good one i do believe a lot of people want this look i've gone through the journey with however few people have seen this movie it's in six chapters and their relationship to who prince is like changes throughout the course of it but by the end of it
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You know, everyone loves him or everyone's more curious about him and his music than, for instance, before, even if they didn't know anything about him.
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It's what the estate to me has always gotten backwards, which is that we live in a time at which it's harder than ever to cancel, quote unquote, somebody. And this is not a film that your takeaway ends up being as a viewer. Get this guy the fuck out of here.
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No, it's like the promise. It's kind of what Jill said. It's like, man, he struggled so much. He was so like insecure and he was had so many so much trauma and his unwillingness and his insecurity prevented him from being open about said trauma because he had to present himself as this, you know, perfect genius.
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And his inability to share his truth, you know, was one of the reasons why he suffered his addiction in silence. And you would argue that but for the way he was, other people in his position might have been more able to get help. And I think that's one of the tragedies about his story. But it's connected to who he always was.
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He created a mystery, he obfuscated the truth of who he was to become famous as an artist. And then we were complicit in how we absorbed said artist and we loved it. But then you get trapped in that. You keep having to change, you keep having to evolve, but your true self is always hidden.
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And so when the true self is then laid bare, you know, having died of an overdose, it's like, what do you do with that? That can't be hidden. That's stark. That's the truth.
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There is a thing on Prince's Twitter account that the estate seems to have posted when that variety story came out. And it was kind of like a mini trailer for a forthcoming other project that is deliberately not the Ezra Edelman project. Mm-hmm. But the quote from Prince posthumously is, despite everything, no one can dictate who you are to other people.
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By the way, I don't disagree with that.
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But I think the question we are left with as a media industry is, what are we trying to do when it comes to people who don't want their own story told?
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Right now, we live in a culture where and in a documentary universe, and in some ways in a journalistic universe, where the subject gets to dictate who they are to everybody. Correct. And that is not the way that The Fourth Estate was set up.
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And The Book of Prince, which Ezra made for Netflix, was going to be nine hours long. But this time, Ezra's work cannot speak for itself. Because there is, I am told, reliably, a 0.000 repeating percent chance that any of you out there will ever be allowed to watch it.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
So my issue is that in trading for access, you now have a lot of companies and filmmakers making deals with the subject, sanitizing their story and or their image, That to me, it's like, of course, it serves them. You don't have to put in what you don't want put in, but it is truthful.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But that editorial power of decision-making, what deserves to be in what feels like an authoritative treatment of someone's story, why should it be you?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Well, I'm not saying it should be me. I'm just saying because I take the responsibility seriously and I try very hard and I have integrity as a person, as a filmmaker. I'm not here, by the way, to give you like to prove why I should be worthy of doing anything. I think the exercise is very hard. I think the danger and the problem I'm finding is that what's the compromise?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Of course, there are movies being made with subjects that, like, have some say in how the story is told or are getting paid for the access, which to me is a no-no, and gets to be a producer of their own story. And what happens, that these streamers or whoever the distributors are, they get a film about whomever, you know? Oh, the incentives align. Right.
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And by the way, at this point, the public doesn't seem to somewhere between care or know the difference. And that's the sad thing. It's like they're being served slop and they're getting used to the fact that this is like, oh, I guess this is like f***ing short rib. And I'm like, it's not, it's slop. And I think that's the bigger issue. This film about Prince to me, it's a full meal.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And it's not something you can just like tear through.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Well, in the sum, it's greater than its parts. That's the point. There's hopefully an experience you've gone through. By the way, I'm talking about this as if anyone's going to see it. They won't. So it's like, it's amazing.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
What does it feel like to catch yourself doing that, though?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I mean, because it's still, but that's, you know, we've talked about this. It's the tree falling in the forest thing. It's like it still exists.
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But look, part of the whole thing with Prince, right, is that his genius was validated over and over again by his output. And you are somebody in a very different way whose swings are so big recently.
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that when no one gets to see it... It's an indescribable feeling. That one I've been wrestling with and dealing with for a while. I mean, like, I don't want to make this... You know this. The reason I don't want to do this, because this is not like woe is me. It's like people's films get shelved all the time. All the time.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And there have been examples of this in the feature space and the documentary space. There's no guarantee of anything. ever. This is just unique because of the subject, the time, the high profile nature, all of these things, the public interest in some ways.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But the genre in which a documentarian is holding to account a celebrity in service of what feels like the public interest.
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But yet the way you just described that are holding our public figures to account. I'm like, I wasn't making a film about Richard Nixon after Watergate. I was telling someone's story. And it's more like once you see certain things, you can't unsee them. There are things I might be interested as topics to pursue that those come from me.
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But when someone tells me about a harrowing incident that she experienced, here are my two choices. Oh, why did this happen? Was this something consistent within this man's behavior? Can I contextualize what that meant to him in his head? Where did this come from? Or I can just be like, oh, they're not going to like that. That might change people's image of Prince, so I better not put that in.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Those are my choices. And then I am committing documentary malpractice.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I should point out that the Variety story does have a quote from Netflix, which says that the Prince estate and Netflix have come to a mutual agreement that will allow the estate to develop and produce a new documentary featuring exclusive content from Prince's archive. As a result, the Netflix documentary will not be released.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
The image I've had in my head is the last shot of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Of just a huge warehouse somewhere in Netflix. A crate just like put away.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I read something, there was some article that had, I think it was the Times London, and said, like, some fans are happy with the decision because they believe that this film would have been an invasion of his privacy, right? And I'm like, okay, and? Of course it's an invasion of his privacy. I don't know what to do with that argument. That's not an argument.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But what that means, right? What it means- He's a public figure. I don't understand. He's an historical and historically important subject. He's one of the great artists of the last hundred years. We need to understand who these people are, how they made their art, what drove them, how they lived, how they died. It's part of how we go through the world and improve as humans.
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It's like, what are we talking about here?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And then there are our favorite musicians, the people who bring us comfort because they're in the toy department of music or sports, as opposed to what legislation did Prince pass?
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Woody Allen, Picasso, Michael Jackson, all of these people. R. Kelly, I think it's up to everyone's personal code about how they choose to be affected by the understanding of who that person was and their ability to still revel in and enjoy said person's art. For me, and I'm just, I'm not even gonna go deep with this, but I think it would be a little weird if when you know what R. Kelly was doing,
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and what he's singing about it's a little like i can't do this it's just like you're it's like right in front of me that's a little different for me than michael jackson which i'm not like again i'm not i'm not talking about in any way on a moral level but like i can listen to michael jackson's music and have an under certain understanding about and yet i could also go to
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And yes, Hollywood is a graveyard of all sorts of passion projects, several of which, incidentally, we have loved chronicling here on PTFO in the past. But the story behind The Book of Prince does feel different to me. It feels different because Ezra, who turned 50 last year, devoted almost five years of his life to very quietly perfecting this film.
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The Michael Jackson Broadway show. And by the way, the estate's working on a Broadway show about Purple Rain. And like everyone's seen Purple Rain. And this is a movie that while Prince didn't officially get a screenplay credit and write it, it's a fictionalized but sort of veiled fictionalized story of Prince's life.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And in it, Morris Day throws a woman into a dumpster and he slaps Apollonia. Who Prince is in that movie, you know, in some ways is revealed, though it was always couched as fiction. And now they're doing this adaptation of Purple Rain for Broadway. And from my understanding, it's like they're changing Prince's character to
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to make it more palatable, or to at least tidy up the gender politics, and I think that's literally a phrase I read in the New Yorker piece about the playwright, about who the character is, to ostensibly make it more palatable for an audience in 2025. This is exactly my issue. The guy made a movie that's about himself
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And by the way, warts and all in many ways, he could always hide behind the fact that it was, quote, fiction, but it wasn't fiction. And in our film, by the way, we use that to basically sort of play with the truthiness of his existence. There's so much in that that is real.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And now the fact that we've arrived 40 years later, and rather than just like, oh, it's the 40th anniversary of Purple Rain, which was last year, and celebrating that, no, we're going to revisit it and revamp it and sanitize it and in turn sanitize Prince's image for current audiences, for younger audiences to make him a less troubling figure. That is f***ed up. I'm sorry.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Removing the complexity from a deliberately complicated person. I mean, it's not surprising.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
It's Broadway, right? But like, again, this is what we're dealing with. I don't think my documentary stood much of a chance if this is what's happening. It's just sad.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
That seems like an exercise that can make someone not want to try and take a swing like this again.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Well, I mean, again, it was a tenth of my life if you look at it that way. I hadn't until now. Like, why would I? I think probably affects you differently physically, mentally when you get older and like it affected me. So like I don't think I need to do that anymore.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But the reason I say that is because the reason that you deserve to have swings like this, the reason you deserve to take these swings, the reason you deserve to have this editorial authority in which I want that guy trying to crack this safe.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I want that guy making the decisions is because what the media, broadly speaking, what journalists really need more than ever are people who take that task so seriously that it makes them unhappy because we're going to test it, right? We're going to, we're going to throw estates at that. We're going to throw cease and desist letters at that. We're
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
The money at other people, if it's this painful, it tells me I want that guy to try.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
but I also, it is that painful. Look, here's the thing. I'm sitting here doing your podcast, but like, you know, Caroline Waterlow, Tamara Rosenberg, Nina Christig, Brett Granato, Gabe Rhodes, Ben Cizanski.
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Marlee Cogan, Danon Hinton, you know, Jenny Troyer, Deja Lee Carroll. They made the film. They were also putting themselves... on the line and investing so much of themselves to make this thing as a PA or, you know, an archival assistant or as a producer or as an editor. And the way you go through the world is to amass credits. People see what you do and they go, oh, wow, that was really good.
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You worked on that. And right now this doesn't exist in the world. It's a big zero. It's a negative space. I mean, why can't there be, as Brett Cordano, one of my editors said, be nice if there were something on IMDb that said the book of Prince unreleased and then the people who worked on it.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
No, I think the problem is this is a runaway train or has it already hit us and we don't know it.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Well, that's the most depressing thought in a very depressing series of thoughts that have been uttered.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
OK, do you feel right now, though, that like one of the things I love about you is your your earnest ambition to create a podcast that is trying to find out to tell the truth, to be journalistically rigorous. And you have found an audience for that. And so I think you should feel good about that.
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So then you're caught in a space of like, well, this is weird. I've been working really hard and there's something that's really good, but no one even knows it exists.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
The whole trick of what you do, what I do, what anybody who wants to do this thing that is not being incentivized by the algorithm, the whole trick of it is, hey, guess what? It's surprising how many people want this delicious piece of broccoli with cheese melted on it. I agree. Right. It's still entertaining. It's still tasty. That is what I want people to remember when they are deciding whether
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whether this is just vegetables whether this is the thing that people did not ask for but they got because some guy feels like morally scolding them into caring about journalism the whole point is that it can still be entertainment if you do it right and that gets back to the general breakdown that's always been between like there are documentaries and there's a hollywood movie
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And so in essence, that's what we're talking about here. There's a Hollywood movie, which is a play on Broadway.
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Yes, inspired by true events.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And so the issue is that now the estate is going to put out its own documentary, but that's not a documentary. By definition. By definition, it's going to be a hagiographic propaganda love letter to Prince the Artist. Are you going to learn anything about Prince? I doubt it. Are you going to learn anything dark about Prince? I doubt it. Are you going to learn anything complicating about Prince?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But then a story about this entire saga appeared on the cover of The New York Times magazine last September. And the writer, who had been following the production process for a year and a half behind the scenes, declared it a, quote, cursed masterpiece, end quote, citing the more than 70 interviews that Ezra had conducted.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I doubt it. The troubling thing, of course, is that it may very well be wildly popular. Oh, it will be wildly popular. You know why? Because people want to see Prince, and deservedly so. The guy was one of the great entertainers, performers, musicians of all time. And that's what's really sad.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
You know, like, you see him perform in our film, and you're like, I mean, I cried watching him, you know, in his 1982 performance, like, during the Controversy Tour when he was singing When We Were Mine.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
He is a magnetic performer. There are scenes in your film that feel like great scenes in sports movies where the music is a payoff because you went through the journey of pain and suffering and you do tear up and you are in awe as you would be with a great athlete. The difference here is that that pain and that suffering really only pays off if you actually depict the pain and the suffering.
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Man, I wish someone made a movie that had all that stuff in it.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Yeah, well... Well... It's been fun talking to you, Pablo. Welp. In some ways, that's like, what are you going to do? Welp. I mean, at a certain point, welp. I don't know. Welp. Welp.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
So what I'm left thinking at the end here, what I want to find out is, now with the benefit of hindsight, would you do this over again?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And have it turn out the same way? Yeah. No. Absolutely not. For what's happened? No. Would I have done anything differently in the process that led to this result? No. I feel like I honestly, earnestly... tried my hardest to make the best film and reacted to the circumstances I was presented with as truthfully and honestly to who I am and my belief system as possible.
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And at no point did I ever think it was okay if this were going to be the result. So it wasn't like, well, I'm going to do this. And if this was happening, I'm going to live with it. It's just more like in the same way, you just like you make the choices that are in front of you based on who you are.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And I think based on the circumstances I was presented with at every point, I did what I believe to be the correct thing. And that I'll live with. There's nothing about this that I will get over, though. It's just not really possible.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And so a month after that, with that seal broken now, you may recall that Pulitzer Prize-winning critic Wesley Morris and I did an episode of this very show in which we described our own experiences seeing Ezra's movie at an early screening ourselves, long before the documentary became, you know, The Lost Ark.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
So I actually, in a way that won't surprise you, but I mean, it's like, when you end up with circumstances that are sort of so dramatic and so in sort of an unforeseen way, the basic need for vengeance and the basic desire to channel your anger, I have had those impulses and things, but I'm like, this happened.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
It's like if I allow this thing to consume me and eat me up from the inside in a way, then that's kind of on me. So I've had to figure out a way to get sort of beyond those feelings because I can't win that. I lose. So why it happened, I don't know. And I just feel like I comported myself correctly throughout the entire exercise. That's the only thing I can control.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I think I have good news for you at the end here.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
What? I just found out what closure sounds like for Ezra Edelman.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Anything for you, Pablo.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And if you just wanna know what's in the movie, I do recommend that you go watch that episode that Wesley and I did. But if you're like most other people in Ezra's life, here's just a fair warning, you're probably gonna have the same cursed reaction.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Nor did the best documentarian in America feel like opening up about any of this across from me, in front of a microphone, in this studio. Until now. Like, what do you do with the experience of putting everything of yourself into something?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And there's this sort of like pattern of addiction that comes from like taking on something big, taking on something bigger, working really hard, seeing if you can figure it out. Then you get some sort of dopamine hit from the world, how they respond to it. So what do you do when you have all that, but it's five years? And it was the most painful thing and the most difficult thing.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But you ultimately agreed to sit here across from me, your friend. And why? Why did you say yes in the end?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
It's somewhere between you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Having dealt with the mishigas that has come with the fighting to try to get the film out into the world. The... way that the story has been framed in the world by certain people. And then ultimately now the finality of the news of, oh, the rights to this now are in the hands of the estate.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But yes, maybe the whole saga has officially concluded and I lost. And this happens to be such a sort of extreme high-profile episode in documentary filmmaking. Yes. That I'm like, okay, well, let's just get this out because I am after some catharsis, if not closure, to move the f*** on. I'm like, dude, just get over yourself and f***ing get back to work.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And no, I wouldn't have. And that was never the intention.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I believe that this would have been worthy of... Pablo, if you followed the news, you should know... I know. It's serialized. It's episodic. The point being, you made something worthy of... To you. To me.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Is that the eighth? I believe so. Yeah, I think that's right. Correct. This is my reward. This is my consolation prize, sitting across from you and your cardigan.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I think people need to be caught up on what the f*** you spent that time doing. Like, what does it take to make something that leaves you feeling like this?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
There was a pretty consistent immersion in this that really did take this long. I mean, it's a little bit... A bit sadomasochistic? Yeah. But there's a sense of, like, I like challenges. And, you know, if someone calls you up and says, hey... What do you think about Prince? We have his entire vault that's never been accessed or seen.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And then I'm like, I also know Prince is basically this mysterious figure. And I know that his story in some ways hasn't really ever been told. Here's the puzzle.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
There's a reason why Prince's story has never been told. Prince was not someone in life that was interested in sharing information. And he cultivated an air of mystery and he did it in a pretty impressively consistent domineering and ironclad way. He famously, if not notoriously, lived a life that was sort of marked by pretty dramatic sort of severing of relationships and separations.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And by the way, there have been plenty of books written about Prince, but none have really connected the dots between of his life to really sort of go how did we get from a teenage virtuoso genius who was the youngest artist signed by warner brothers and given complete creative control to a guy who died of a drug overdose
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in an elevator in Paisley Park, in essence, died in a box within a box that he built himself. Especially the guy who, in much the public's consciousness, didn't do drugs.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I'm like, this is a gift. A nine-hour treatment about an artist that, like, was, by the way, f***ing brilliant. Everything about who you believe he is is in this movie. You get to bathe in his genius. Yeah. And yet you also have to confront his humanity. Right after this ad.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Look, there's a responsibility and obligation to me as a filmmaker, as a documentarian, to answer the question, well, how did that happen?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I was trying to answer a question of someone who, he is an artist that has really helped people grow. go through the world feeling seen themselves. Yes. His androgyny and his sort of being able to tap into his female side, his racial sort of ambiguity at times, and his message that sort of comes from being, let's just say, open to all things.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
By nature of him being 5'2", he's like, he looks like the underdog. And he is this sort of like pixie fairy purple genius. But like the guy never stopped working and really worked in service of the fans. So he lived as a mystery and he died as a mystery. But like the guy, he was a shapeshifter. And so he morphed, he changed lives.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And so the guy who became a Jehovah's Witness in, you know, the early aughts and, you know, all of a sudden was like under the... Guidance of Larry Graham. That's a different dude than the dude who did the dirty mind album in 1980 and was singing about you know That's also part of his evolution and so in a lot of ways because there's so many eras I think there's a lot of people
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Are we starting now? Of course. Of course. We're in it. And now maybe I need a shot at tequila.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
who loved different parts of Prince. But I was really interested in trying to find a through line for that person who evolved through all these styles, why he did, what was going on underneath, and trying to sort of find a roadmap and trying to shed light on who this person was.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Once you realize the degree of difficulty here, I want to get to your decision then to not just roll up your sleeves, but but to spend almost five years digging.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Ezra Edelman, do you want to explain why you're here?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
It's just more like, no one knows who this dude was. I'm gonna try to figure it out. I'm not professing to know everything that happened with this person. It's the best I could do. This isn't, by the way, like R. Kelly. And like, it's like, we already know what he's guilty of. And you're just like exposing sort of really horrid truths and that people need to know because this guy's got to go down.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
This isn't that. But people sort of were defensive in terms of like as if he were that. The relationship to how much people love Prince is And it's like so who wants this? Like who wants sort of a microscopic sort of accounting of someone's life when some of it is going to be a little scummy at times? But the whole point of it is the journey.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And the whole point of it was actually reflecting a journey that he went through. Prince's whole thing was that he's a Gemini. And so this sort of push-pull of who he was in all these facets, male, female, black, white, artist, businessman, it goes on and on. In terms of this binary, in his head was this idea of like good and evil, which, sorry, God and sex.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Yeah. Why am I here?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And that was another basic dichotomy of his art. And he was always sort of weighing his own moral account of how he was going through the world. And he believed in karma in terms of like how he treated people. And I think one of the things that was fascinating is that Prince had a baby with his wife, Mayte Garcia.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Who tragically was born with Pfeiffer syndrome. And they made the decision to take the baby off a respirator after eight days. There's multiple people who told me that based on Prince's brain, he basically almost felt that he was being punished for his sins. People had issues with how he treated people. He was emotionally abusive.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
He was physically abusive, you know, in very specific, I'll say for how it was reported in one instance. The point is like this all weighed on him. And so this sort of dramatic life event, he thought partially he was responsible. But like the way that certain people, maybe the estate is characterizing sort of, oh, the film's bad or the film's this, it's negative.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I'm like, there's a point. Well, allow me to quote just for the record here what the estate said in that Variety article.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
That's why I'm here? Quote, Controversial Prince Netflix documentary will not be released. Estate is free to create new project.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
because the line from the article says that representatives for the late artist's estate previously claimed a first cut of the film was filled with, quote, dramatic factual inaccuracies and, quote, sensationalized renderings of certain events from his life according to sources close to the situation.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I mean, whatever. It's a joke. I mean, the whole idea is like, wait, so the estate had... Here's the one thing they're allowed to do. Check the film for factual inaccuracies. Guess what? They came back with a 17-page document full of editorial issues, not factual issues. Do you think I have any interest in putting on a film that is factually inaccurate?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
It is a question of who gets to claim that they have... what feels like editorial authority or less highfalutin, who has the truth on their side?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
Well, that it's more like who has control. I mean, again, this is reflective of Prince himself, who was notoriously most famous control freaks in the history of artists. The irony being that Prince was somebody who fought for artistic freedom, who didn't want to be held down by Warner Brothers, who he believed was stifling sort of his output.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
And now in this case, it's like, by the way, I'm not Prince, but I worked really hard making something, and now my art's being stifled and thrown away.
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
But the underlying tension here is... What does it mean when one of the greatest and most influential and significant Americans in pop cultural history is being cast as their estate would have it as the victim of a documentarian posthumously, a posthumous victim of a story that is being told for the benefit of said director? How old are you, Pablo?
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The Banned Prince Documentary: Director Ezra Edelman (Finally) Speaks
I am 39. What was your relationship to Prince before you saw this movie?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I'm not wishing his best friends ill. So we watched it on sleepovers. These kids would come over to the house for sleepovers with stuff that had to be refrigerated and they had to shoot themselves during sleepovers. This is the real deal. And they were still terrible at basketball? Oh, this was not, yes. This was not done to be good at basketball.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Get a little bit of... Their parents were Jewish bankers. So that's why we could... I thought you just said that you can't... I thought we just went over the... No, no, no, no.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
It's HGH, actually.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Allegedly? I would view all of it, we were a no to all of it.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Yeah. No, I came from the land of being short. And I said to my son, I'm short and I'm great. You're going to be fine. You have to own it and learn it and learn to deal with things. Stand on your tippy toes during photos. There's just things you can do to try to maximize your 65 inches. But he wanted, he didn't want that. The irony, of course, is he ended up being 5'8 or 5'9.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
So he's doing fine. I don't know if you've met him. It's Caleb. He's great.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
But it's just a funny thing what parents do. When I was growing up, And I was not on the growth chart. When I go to the doctor, it was very stressful with Dr. Moleshock, where they would chart where you are before each school year. And I was always, you know, 10 percentile. And you're hoping for the growth spurt because the doctor says you're going to have a growth spurt.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
It's going to be because my father wasn't short and it never came. And so those were always such anxiety producing appointments.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
We're going to get a cure. It's happening. It really is such a scam, isn't it? All these diseases that they're going to cure.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I was born in the darkness, raised in it, molded by it. My parents undid the cable. an apartment's cable comes in through one outlet. And so when they'd be out, all the TVs wouldn't work and there were no computers, no anything. And so I would spend, just to screw them, I would spend the entire time searching the apartment, looking for any way to watch TV.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
And I found in one of their closets behind the French Franks and Swiss Franks, which I didn't steal because I was far more interested in a little hurricane ready battery, four inch black and white TV. And so I would take that out of the closet and I'd watch it while they were out just to screw them because they wouldn't let me watch TV. What were you watching back at that time?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Well, there were three channels. I mean, anything. It didn't matter to me. I watched Howdy Doody. It was victory.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
French francs before the euros. French francs. I would say, excuse me, can I exchange a hundred francs? His voice is exactly the same.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Can we do that? Can we power rank? It's going to be a tie for first in this room. There is no shortage of ego in this room. It just manifests itself in different ways.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I was always doing the work around. David was burgling his own home. You happen to be 100% accurate. And I'm not the only kid who goes through his parents' stuff looking for things. Oh, yeah.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
But I was not interested in some of the things like little maquettes. What's that? Little sculptures, like a little Henry Moore maquette, like a little sculpture this big that you could just, whatever.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
They have frights of maquettes.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
You shouldn't need to find out what a maquette is. It's a pretty well-known word.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I've never heard maquette. You've never heard the word maquette?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Hold on, let me just go. It sounds like a knick-knack to me. No, a knick-knack. A little bit of paddywhack. I mean... It's a year's worth of salary for the three of us is what them knick-knacks are.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
They can be, they're very valuable. They're very interesting pieces of art and pieces of sculpture. They're wonderful to live with. But my point was different is that I always knew at a young age, what, how to maximize my time to get exactly what I wanted. And what I wanted was to not give them the last word and me. having to do my homework all night or phone time was a big thing.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Where it wasn't, I didn't have a cell phone, obviously. So I'd be on the phone trying to be popular with a girl or a guy. And then all of a sudden your mom gets on the phone. And that because she would set a time. And I don't know how she knew when the six minutes was up, but somehow, I don't know, she was counting down. Six minutes per call.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I was never allowed to have sleepovers.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
There's always, I never was able to because then there's a book report or a book to read or an extra thing to do.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Well, it was a sandwich and some chips and a ginger ale because we did all this for Dominique. And so I drove two and a half for this show. And now I'm driving back two and a half just to do this because this was your only window. This is what I was told. You fell for this lie. This better be Pablo.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Do you? I mean, I find myself to, I have friends now, you know, one or two or a half. And so, no, I think that the benefit of the disciplined life I had is it made me disciplined.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I was allowed candy from October 31st to Thanksgiving Day was it during the year because you'd go Thanksgiving, then you'd have to pour the bag out, then it would be gone through by your parents. They'd take out everything that was not wrapped, obviously, because it has razor blades in it, so I was told. I don't know if anyone else heard that story. Yeah, I heard it.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
It's a lot of effort to put razor blades in an apple, but I'm fine, whatever it is. And then one night, And so anything over, let's say Thanksgiving's November 24th, you get 25 pieces of candy. The 31st and then through November 24th, and then the rest gets thrown away.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
AOL Instant Messenger, America Online. Did you ever have to come up with a code name for yourself? I stayed in hotels when I was president of the team under Jay Trotter. Nice. That was my name. Jay Trotter. Why? That's the lead character in Let It Ride. Jay Trotter, played by Richard Dreyfuss. Right, I don't think I've ever seen him.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
No, it's Let It Ride from like 1991. It's a great movie, 89.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Richard Dreyfuss is not a tall guy in real life. But, you know, the players, did you use a pseudonym? No. At team hotels? But you guys are always in for one night.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
So it's a whole magilla when you check into a hotel with the baseball team because it's a lot of rooms, much like football, but you're there for a much longer period of time. And you don't have the whole hotel, so there are people around. Yeah. But pre-cell phone, the way you'd reach players is through their hotel phone. Literally. Like, hey, connect me to room 1269.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
So you had to have a manifest of where everyone was. So we'd get two manifests. One with the names that were with the pseudonyms. And then one with the key. Meaning who, what. The decoder. The decoder. So then the traveling secretary, the manager, the GM would know how to reach everybody.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
We're funny. I didn't start drinking until I was 31. We're a bunch of nerds. I got bad news, guys. We're nerds.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
The thing about hotels I find with players is that they get very comfortable because they know they're going to be there three nights, four nights, whatever. So they move into the room. And it used to be when I was younger, players used to share a room. And that was a huge collective bargaining issue when they wanted their own rooms because it doubled the cost.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
But you had grown-ass men who were sharing... Yeah, high school debate tournament style, baby. And these are professional athletes. I assume the NFL was like that too in the 70s and 80s.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
And David drove two and a half hours of opportunities to do it. And Dominique was a no on every one of them. Dominique came from D.C. It's okay. If you guys manipulated me, it's fine. I got in the car.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
What's the tennis movie that we just watched? And I'm totally blanking. Zendaya? I'm so upset. Challengers. I haven't seen it. It's good. There's a fantastic threesome scene.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
David is grinning way too much.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
You shouldn't. It's a great scene.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I am obviously... who are trying to be close to you, and you can do spoiler alerts for that movie. It's a year old. I think so. They're trying to do a threesome. And they all want to be with her, and she wants them to be with themselves.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I think you have them. Trying to have a threesome, be a threesome.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I say, well, you do do them. And the payoff for her was that they got all dressed up and ready to go, and then she said, good night, boys, and left the room. That's a pretty powerful payoff. That is a figurative payoff.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
We're ruining the moment of sincerity. It passed for me.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
My worst decision was going public with the fact that one of the things we used to tell our players was to pleasure themselves before checking into their road hotel. Because we thought, I thought, that it would make them get in trouble less. And so... Dominique and I did an episode about post-nut clarity. Yes, you did. And this is the same philosophy.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
It was the same philosophy, and it should have been kept in-house.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Feels like an HR thing. Right. So I would have done it differently. I don't disagree with why I did what I did, and I don't disagree with the results. I think we only had like three or four arrests in 18 years. Not terrible. So...
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Exactly. About 30 divorces, three or four arrests. A few restraining orders, you know, just a Tuesday.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
When you went public with this, where did this go public? So, I was giving either a speech. YMCA. I was doing something where the audience just wasn't necessarily ready for this conversation. Oh, gosh. And I regret doing that. Yeah.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Well, I mean, personally, that's professional. You're asking me if I've made bad personal decisions? Oh, no, no, no. As I sit here divorced? I mean, what do you mean? That was a great decision. Which, to get divorced? And to get married. I stand by every decision I've made. They're just not all great. But I wouldn't redo any of them.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I don't like people who say, if I had to do it again, I'd do it differently. Really? Why not? Because I don't like that. You should think of that before you do it the first time.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I have no regrets. What are your regrets?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I have myriad mistakes and zero regrets.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
It's not ideal, I grant you. You know, I don't love the fact that I went into an all-black church trying to get votes for the stadium, and I stood up there and I said, can I get an amen? I don't love that I did that, but I did.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I gave a sermon to a major black church in Miami because I needed their support for public money for the ballpark.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I was the only white guy in there. Jewish. I am Jewish.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
What was your approach? So, how I dressed is I went to visit a black teller. I said we weren't going to cut anything. Oh, no. Hold on. No.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I'm telling you what I did, and I had a suit made for me by Andre Dawson's tailor. So I looked like Andre Dawson, and it was awesome. If you know the Hawk, he's the most impeccable dresser you'll ever meet. He was probably at Levitard's wedding, as a pure side note. Was he really? Yeah, Andre Dawson. He is just a wonderful dresser. He was the coolest guy in the world.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
No. I don't think that's interesting.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I don't think you'll see it on Google, but just very, very good dresser.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
How many buttons did your suit have? It's the only suit I ever had. It had six buttons. Oh, what year was that? This was 2008. 2008. And so we needed the votes. So I had a... You're a f***ing king of comedy. Why is this not colorful? I can't even. I had a consigliere who was Cuban, and we had a plan of all the different people we had to get votes from.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Oh, God. Who? I wasn't ready. It's one, two, three, Brett, about raising, we just- Don't guilt us into- No, no, no. It really is Brett. We're announcing today our new charitable endeavor because after all these years, they still haven't cured f***ing Parkinson's. And it's unbelievable that they haven't. So we have to keep doing these athletic events.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I had to go get one personally made. A guayabera. So I had to wear that to the Cuban war. Say that one more time. I think it's guayabera. I don't really know how to say it.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
You guys are funny. But I did give the sermon, and I felt like I had the room enough. What does a sermon mean to you? It was about all the things that this 65-inch white Jewish guy could do for them by having a ballpark bill with their money. This is what I will deliver for you. You are a prosperity gospel panderer. I was. What's the, this would have been great if I had it right in my head.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
The guy, the music man. And it starts with T, which stands for trouble. Music City. What's the main character? Hugh Jackman just played him. Oh my God. No idea. You really don't know? You don't know either? Somehow. Wolverine? I don't know.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
You never heard that name? Anyway, so that's, I went in and I am trying to explain to this- large audience about what public funding means and I'm standing in my suit and in my pointed shoes. You got pointy shoes. Long pointy shoes that were like size 10 and I'm a size 8.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
You went six bud in Obama. Give me the pointy shoes. It was something. A fascinator. It was going great, and I had eyes with my Cuban consigliere. It was going great. It was. They were giving you amens. They did not? No. I just had the view that I had their attention. I had the view that they were looking at me as though I was one of them.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
And so I built up to this crescendo, and I look over at the bishop. His name was Bishop Curry. Bishop Curry was his name in Miami. And I look at the bishop. Then I look out at the audience. I look back at the Cuban consigliere and I look at the crowd. I say, can I get an amen? And then I walked out. And it was awesome. Side note, we got all the black commissioner votes. Did they?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Oh, so they did say, they said amen. Oh, we got the amen. We got the votes.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
You guys, I'm happy to be with you guys again. You make me think of things I hadn't thought of in a very, very long time.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Dominic, do you see what happens when we get us in a room together?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I think we're now coming in tied for second. Because Pablo is now at a different level. He has left us in the dust. You talking about old Peabody over here?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I don't think he even talked to us going forward.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I was setting it up.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I found out that Dominique believes that in order to be a professional athlete, you have to have some sort of nature versus nurture. And I am still thinking about the parents of big leaguers who we had whose parents were not athletic.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
That's true. I don't know why you're laughing. Do you have a cure for Parkinson's?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Michael J. Fox, when he started his foundation, said that he expects to be out of business within a decade. So... Didn't quite happen that way.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I've been waiting for 10 years. I am not waiting anymore. Had it. Anyway, it's been quite telling since we were all last together in Miami that Pablo has just shot himself out of a cannon, and it's all due to the Ring camera. Okay, it's not just that. We do three episodes a week. I would like to ask, though, on the shirt issue, because this was important to me, and we had a creative issue.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
No, I agree. I think I know where you're going, and I agree with you. You agree that the shirt should have been off? Yeah. 100%. Now, if you had Dominique's body, would you have had shirt off?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
He claimed it was a journalism decision.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Can you pull up a photo of Lenny Kravitz at 61? It just got released. He looks amazing. Lenny Kravitz? Looks unbelievable.
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What are we doing? It's not normal. He has a full six-pack. Nice. At 61, nobody can be natural. Are you looking at the same thing that I recently saw last week or something? Men's health?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Now, is that natural?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
The irony, of course, is that you can add abs in post. I mean, if there's a budget for post-production, which some shows have and some don't, but you can add stuff. And so you don't actually need to look that way in real life.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I didn't tell you this. I was sitting with Pablo right as a People Magazine article came out with his mug on it, on the thumbnail of it. And what I saw, and I said this to you at the time, so we're here amongst almost sort of friends. And you could tell this warm aura of invincibility flow over him like some sort of mucus when he was on People.com.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Well, one is Schwarzenegger. I assume that he's just big for genetics.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I'm embarrassed of my body. Why? Because it's not a good body. I don't have a good body.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I'm doing well from the neck up. I have slight concerns about from the neck down.
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Turkey's the place.
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The best quality is Turkey for hair and for veneers actually. Oh, nice.
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Listen, I assume they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, but whatever the reason is that people save their money to go to Turkey to get it, and then they come back with plugs. I don't get the whole thing.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
So I was short, and I will tell you exactly what I did do. We're doing that as a past tense. I am short. Thank you. Appreciate that, Dominique. Thank you for your phlegmy-filled laugh of disdain.
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It's more contempt.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I hung from a bar.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
And I would spend more time than I wish to acknowledge. So there's a bar in my doorway in the apartment where I grew up. I grew up in a room, in a bedroom. And it's like a expandable stick that is supposed to be used for pull-ups and push-ups. But I didn't do it for that. I did it, I put it high so there was no way to, just so my fingers would fit right above it and that's it. And I would hang.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
And I mean like for hours. Oh my God. Weirdly. And because- The adverb was unnecessary. I had been told that it actually works.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
It's nothing. So what it did is I would get, my arms would be sore. Right. So, but I would do it because what I thought, because I had been told by coaches, like in middle school and in elementary school, that after the sore is where the improvement comes. So I always felt like I had to get to the arms hurting. And then I had to hang on even longer because that's when the growth would happen.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
I also slept always on my stomach with my toes over the bottom of the bed. And so I wasn't near the top of the mattress, but I would go to the bottom of the mattress because I had read as a kid, so it may have been written by Dr. Seuss, that if you sleep on your front with your legs extended, toes over the bed, that while you're sleeping, your legs grow too.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
These aren't costly fixes. But we could have sold you some of those shoes.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
And the irony is he walks around the studio talking about Moreau and talking about serious journalism. Peabody's. Peabody's. Right? So I'm wondering whether Pablo and I meant this. This I didn't ask you before. Are you going to put that as part of now your elevator speech about PTFO? Because you mentioned, obviously, all the awards. You're asking, are we folding it into our awards budget? Exactly.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Did you run with it behind you? Yeah, of course.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Oh, David's frowning thoughtfully. So, I believe that the increment, you have to have natural ability, but I think the differentiating factor is the hard work you put in, which would count for purposes of this conversation as nurture.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
When clearly, if you are— There's a big difference between plastic surgery, transplants, and hanging from a bar. That's au naturel. I didn't take Testop, by the way. I didn't take any of the stuff, the growth hormone. Yeah, Leo Messi got some HGH.
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
The fight that we had with our son, because we had, I'm short still, and my wife at the time was short. Well, not average for a woman, but he was worried because his older sisters were short. So he was panicked and he wanted to go on the juice. And he had friends on the juice who had other small Jewish parents. And we said no. With what intent?
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Share & Tell & Age with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
It was to, yeah. To grow. Yeah. And you go to doctors who they chart you and they say, hey, you're going to end up being around 5'5", around your dad's height. And he wanted to be 5'10". And so he wanted to go on the juice. We said no. And by the way, other similar parents said yes, which made us look even worse.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Ambition is a word that comes to mind.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Well, we're going to... But is it like... I would tell you, but it's my password to everything and it is very hackable.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, my neck actually does hurt.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
your view that to love art is to criticize it rigorously. Yeah. Do you feel like that is the default in your profession? How is that sort of... maybe evolved itself over time.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I'm like talking to a mentalist, I feel like.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Well, now I'm very insecure about what I project. For people who don't know Jerry Sells, by the way, thank you so much for being here.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Sure, sure, sure. I mean, by the way, speaking of money, right, we're talking in the week that I believe a Magritte piece just sold for $121 million.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So where does art that is meant to pay tribute fit into your worldview on how art can be beautiful and rigorous and a story in and of itself? Because, Jerry, you famously, I'm not overstating this, you critiqued a presidential portrait of Barack Obama. Oh, yeah. By Kehinde Wiley. Right. Very famous artist himself. I said it was s***.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
The Kehinde Wiley portrait for just those who did not... Do you like it? Well, so here's the thing that... It's realistic. So I went to see his work at the Brooklyn Museum at one point, and I was struck immediately by the concept, his sort of thing, which is, I'm going to transpose black figures into regal, and you're nodding because, of course, you're familiar with this, but there is an ornate...
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
regal aspect to the background, to the filigrees, to all of it. And I'm the guy, by the way, who saw that and I was like, I'm going to buy the book at the gift shop. This is cool. Good. It is cool. I guess my issue is, in retrospect, is my evolution in taste happened, is that he just kept on doing it again and again and again. And it became formulaic, admittedly.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
And it sort of felt like he had one idea and he managed to execute it a zillion times.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, well, this is the ideal audience for me for this specific episode, I think. Because I know of you as, of course, the guy who won the Pulitzer Prize for Criticism in 2018. Right. I am a magazine nerd, a journalism nerd. Practitioner, but also acolyte in an era where that's intimidating.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah!
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yes, Dwayne Wade is maybe the greatest player in Miami Heat history. He is the guy posing as such. Fists bald, mouth open. Right. Ferocious. Right. And it raises the question of when you are making a statue, a work of art that is meant to be a tribute to someone. Right. And the first response that everybody has is, that f***ing doesn't look like Dwayne Wade.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
$100?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
$200? We don't know exactly what was paid, Jerry. Do you like it? I don't. But I also want to point out, when it comes to resemblance, how important is it for the statue of somebody to be actually a photorealistic depiction of them in real life?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Does it do anything for you if I play a video of the artist's response to a larger reaction?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So that's Omri Amrani, I should say, the co-sculptor, I guess. They have some sort of, you know.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I feel about you to say allegedly, I guess, in there somewhere, but I don't want to step on your critique.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, how long away are we from that?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Are you familiar with this work? Is that Rocky? This is the Rocky statue.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yes.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Discus throwers and... Yeah.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Oh, and by the way, the kids out there should know, this was an Oscar-worthy screenplay, performance, all of it. Actually good.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I love that you have no f***ing idea who Dwayne Wade is. I mean that so sincerely. I'm sorry. You're the most pure sample that we could have for this exercise.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Sure.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. I would like to submit... More. Let's see more. Can we get Michael Jordan on the screen, please? The greatest of all. So this is how they commemorated the greatest, his airness, outside of the United Center where the Chicago Bulls... I love the figure underneath him.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
There is a humongous aspect to the person he is dunking over.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So this was one of the two guys that made the Dwayne Wade sculpt.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
No, I agree. Yeah, this is much better. This is an amazing statue that I can imagine Dwayne Wade and Miami Heat were maybe like, can we get our version of that? And they brought him the thing that we evaluated.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Can we just show you Brandi Chastain for a second? Who's that? Brandi Chastain, all-time American women's soccer player. And this is her Hall of Fame plaque, the Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame. And this is her in real life. What's the sport that Brandi... Soccer.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, Eleanor Roosevelt, perhaps.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Her view was, I think to your point, quote, it's not the most flattering, but it's nice. Yeah. That's not untrue. Right. It's good to be remembered. Right. Not great is that she also looks like Gary Busey, I guess.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I think it's like the rictus of what is her left cheek on the right side of the image, just like the indentation feels Busey-an. Well, yeah, you got it.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
They could change it out. yeah yeah and then lastly uh the last uh i think case study for you is just cristiano ronaldo who i presume you have no idea i do know okay because soccer is a great sport and american men ca what
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But wait a minute. So Yankees-wise, I am here to report that I was at Game 5 of the World Series. Wow. And that felt like a grotesque performance art at a certain point. Yeah. The fifth inning, just the worst inning in baseball history, arguably just so many self-inflicted wounds.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I mean, that is wild. The artist's name is Emmanuel Santos. That's the artist? That is Ronaldo. Okay. That is Cristiano Ronaldo. So, by the way, does this statue look more like the artist who made it or Cristiano Ronaldo, famed as one of the most angular, beautiful, symmetrical faces in human history? Your mileage may vary.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But in a vacuum, you love this specific work.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
There's one more thing I'd like you to evaluate. Yes. If you can hold until after the break. Jerry, you've stuck around very generously, and we brought in Sophie from the other side of the glass. Love it. Because this is an original work that I have not seen. So we'll be viewing this for the first time together, genuinely. Okay. Not a bit. I have not seen this. I'll let you react to it first.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Okay. I want to give some identifying information. This is by Jim Victor and Marie Pelton, a couple from Pennsylvania. Their chosen medium is butter. Butter. And Sophie, will you unveil the sculpture? Very delicately from the... I mean... What do you think?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I don't know if I've ever felt the feeling that I'm feeling right now.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
It's hard not to think that this person is more handsome than me. I should probably reveal for the audio audience that my staff has commissioned a butter sculpture of me.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
The texturing of my hair, I want to say, I don't know if there's a better, I don't know if bronze can do what butter is doing right now. There is a bit of a, I'm smizing, I think. I got to come over there. Yeah, let's rotate the microphone for a full surprise winning critic, Jerry Saltz. I think you can just rotate it this way.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Like, it is covered in butter, this whole base. Wow.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Touch the sculpture. Touch it. Jerry and I are touching it, and it's legitimately dairy.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
It's legit dairy.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yep, yep, yep. Do you have a mustache? I do. In this, I have what I aspire to. I have the mustache of my dreams. Butter Me has the facial hair I desire. They were generous with a healthy serving above my upper lip.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I do. Yeah. I look like I am more in charge than I feel day to day. Have you ever evaluated a butter sculpture before?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I want to get to the idea that you as an authority on art and art criticism are also somebody who is online. The reason I started with your password is because you're also somebody with a giant, a legitimately... thriving community around your online presence. How do you describe your relationship with social media?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Jerry's going to take a photo of this.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I'm staring at myself in the glass. Where do you see? Next to my butter self. There. If there was no one else around in this room, there's not a lot I wouldn't do to this butter sculpture of me. Butter me and I would explore each other.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I feel like something good has happened that I don't entirely want to celebrate, but inside... You have to celebrate this. Inside, I am overjoyed. In my eyes, they're telling a story. What's the story being told? These are the eyes of someone who is encountering... Maybe this is literal. Maybe this is figurative, Jerry. They're encountering their first prostitute.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
In Jacksonville, Florida. And they're thinking to themselves, I think it's time.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I've learned. I found out so much today, Jerry. You do. Yeah. Mostly that maybe you actually can buy love.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Jerry Saltz. Thank you. I'm going to remember this day for the rest of my life. I will too.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I mean, what you're describing is stuff that might be found in museums, right?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
This is like high art.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Other than that... Let's cross out my will there be time travel question.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But as for the other questions that I had prepared to ask Jerry Saltz, who is again, simply one of the most respected authorities in the entire world of art, you should know that the premise for this episode first came about because the highest honor that sports bestows upon an athlete or a coach is in fact a work of art, a statue.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
a statue which, as you may have been reminded recently in the case of, say, Dwyane Wade, is not always as popular as the person it seeks to honor. And so I wanted Jerry and his Pulitzer and his three honorary doctorates and his decades of criticism to basically serve as PTFO's unbiased and completely overqualified art critic, as you'll see in a bit here.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But first, I think you need to understand the origin of his truly incomparable point of view. I do want to establish that you yourself, I mean, is it were an artist? Is it a present tense thing? How do you conceive of yourself in that definitional way?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
And yet in that story, that deeply bleak story that happened to you in Jacksonville, Florida, there is a lesson for me. By the end of this episode, I will determine exactly what I should take away as a lesson from your streak of prostitutelessness.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Are we rolling, Chris? You want all of this. I unfortunately... Okay. We'll start again when you're ready. No, we've started. Okay. We've started, if that's okay with you. Oh. The thing that I didn't realize until just a second ago when you walked in here is that you don't know your own password to your Instagram account? Yeah. Do you know yours? I do. What is it?
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Interrogate's a great art critic word, by the way.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I want to actually jump in on that because as an artist yourself, I do want to reveal that I've done a minor bit of research, Jerry, into your oeuvre. But I jump in to say that you won the National Endowment of the Arts Grant. Right. You were in museums. You were reviewed in art forum. You were in galleries. Yeah.
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From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So I want to get to the idea of envy, but I also want you to describe to me what you were making such that maybe those feelings were bubbling to the surface.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Well, what was happening in that case was one of the great roles of all time.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
If the origin story of your superpower was some level of fear. Well, that was a big part of it. But then also, by the way, sort of wound up with some amount of people pleasing, if I can just connect some of the dots here. Yes. You wanting to be somebody who was identified most prominently as not your actual self. I mean, look, that is also acting. Right.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
So it's a good definition of a character actor. Well, so that's the next seemingly pejorative term I want to ask you about was what does it mean to be a character actor to you? Because I've heard it used in ways that are not complimentary while also being obviously the thing that many of us will leave the movie theater praising that guy that just did that.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
What the hell is that?
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Are you suggesting, by the way, that if Godzilla was a bigger hit, we would never have gotten Along Came Polly?
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Yeah, you're also, again, in the dodgeball instructional video. Patches of rain.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
I do want to stress, as I continue to do the thing where I say, here's something that people say while hoping that you engage with it, and I am free from having lobbed it at you. It's an old reporter trick. I'm well aware of it. It's not the most subtle grenade.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
That's right. It's degrees away from actual responsibility for my questions. But I was going to ask about whether you draw a distinction between these voices being instruments to play or personalities to inhabit and deepen and love.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Dr. Strangelove, one of my favorite movies, a crazy German scientist.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Physicality is an interesting word for somebody who in many of these cases is not visually seen. Yeah. But it is clearly something that when you talk about, okay, how can you tell that there's real Hank in there? Yeah. How do you describe that for people who are just hearing you often?
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
I had a friend who was a big baseball player Back in high school And then it went so well, we'll be, got a bunch of gigs in May.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
The Netflix... Yeah, the Jonah Hill. The Jonah Hill.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
I've come to appreciate over time, certainly in the realm of comedians, that... As much as a civilian might worry about, okay, I don't want to have this guy, you know, just like, you know, pull string, tell me jokes, make me laugh. I have found that there is a certain compulsiveness to wanting the people around you to have a good time, to enjoy you. How much of that needed to be broken down?
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Or no, is that just something that you are at peace with? Like this is actually something that makes people happy. And what is a greater gift in life than simply that?
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
All right, so I should just clarify that the reason I have invited Hank Azaria into our studio as a stop on his tour and the whole reason I find the guy so fascinating is not because I'm a fan of Bruce Springsteen. Although I am. And it's not because Hank is a huge sports fan, by the way. Although he is.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
I want to also just pay you a compliment that is, I consider, earned, which is a friend of mine who I've not seen in a long time, but Hari Kandabalu.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
Did the film, The Problem with Apu. Yes.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
The argument for those uninitiated is simply that the character of Apu, which we all grew up, I mean, we being non, I would say, South Asians. But even me, I'm Asian-American. Like, I didn't really think twice about it. Well, neither did I. Well, that became clear.
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Brilliant Disguise: How to Find Your Voice, with Hank Azaria
But then your desire to think deeply about it, about the ways in which that character ended up making people's lives, however stochastically as they say, however inadvertently, worse. Yeah. And that was real to lots and lots of people in America. Yeah.
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But is, like, the model for what to do when it feels like, am I being canceled? Am I responsible? Am I a victim? Am I the bully? How did you approach that entire saga?
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The reason I've invited Hank Azaria here is because he is a living, breathing complication of the word voice as a synonym for identity. Because normally when we say that someone has found their voice, what we're really saying is that they found themselves.
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What was the thing that you discovered that tipped the scale?
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But Hank's superpower is that he has created this whole city of voices that he can control on command, from Police Chief Wiggum to Apu, the manager of the quickie mart, who we'll discuss, to Moe the bartender. We're talking about more than 100 characters for The Simpsons over four decades and beyond. But now, at age 60, Hank Azaria is relearning how to sing.
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And I should just note here that Hank Azaria did not appear in Hari's movie, which came out in 2017. But the two of them did eventually sit down together on NPR, on Code Switch, in 2023.
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And so at this point, it just feels safe to say that if and when we do replace Hank Azaria with AI,
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because it is cheaper and easier and a lot faster than discovering, you know, the next flawed human being who can create more than 100 voices and also be responsive to the genuine concerns of a person of color in America and then also want to create a one-man show and a book and a whole tour in his 60s where he magically transforms into his childhood hero
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What we're going to lose, at the very least, is truly one of our most scarce resources at this point. A conscience. What I wonder about with AI, right? Are we underrating what it means to marvel at the fact that actually a human is doing this, even if the human's goal is to make you think that it's not that human?
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Towards the end here, can I do the very, I guess this is the biggest heat check I will have as an interviewer today. Could I convince you to do some Bruce for us at the end here?
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You mean sing a song?
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Let's put it this way. If it doesn't work out so good, we're going to cut this part, right? Absolutely. All right.
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Never done this before, Pablo.
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This is, again, a real heat check for me to say, by the way, what I really need at the end of today's show is for Alden Harris-McCoy to come in with his acoustic guitar and for Hank to wear his coat so he can approximate Bruce Springsteen.
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His little song called Jungle Land. Very stripped down. Well the Rangers had a homecoming In Harlem late last night And a magic rat drove his sleek machine Over the Jersey state line Barefoot girl sittin' on the hood of a Dodge Drinkin' warm beer in the soft summer rain The rat pulls and the town rolls up his pants Together they take a stab at romance and disappear down Flamingo Lane.
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But a maximum lawman run down Flamingo chasing a rat and a barefoot girl. And the kids around there look just like shadows. They're always quiet, holding hands. But from the churches to the jails Tonight all is silence in the world As we take our stand Down in jungle land How's that?
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Alden Harris-McCoy on guitar. Hank Azaria on vocals. incredible. All I have to say at the end here is, Hank, thank you for being you, man.
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Thanks from all of us.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. I'll talk to you next time.
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And I do. Hank is articulating an exceedingly human concern at a time when artificial intelligence, incidentally, has promised to render his superpower obsolete. And so what I wanted to find out here today was how the single most talented voice actor of his generation is choosing now which voices to embrace and why.
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What's your regimen for, you're coming off of band practice, so I appreciate you.
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And I got the job, apparently. You discovered Moe in the audition at that moment.
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Just been singing like Bruce for four hours, you know.
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But then to continue just like to fill out the roster, is that a common template of like, okay, they want this. I got that. Let's judge it up a bit. And you get...
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Almost as long as Bruce sings. You don't do like some fancy herbal tea, honey?
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But that, which is a thing that just stuck in my brain for 20 years, that's you, that's scripted. That's Jerry Lewis. That's actually just Jerry Lewis.
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But Bruce, having seen him, I saw his one-man show on Broadway. I saw him at the Garden, however many moons ago now. He is an ultramarathoner. Yes.
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You know, it started out kind of silly and funny and then became like this celebration of comedy. And then, you know, the music kicked in. It was like a celebration of musicals. And by the end, I was really moved.
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The court record will reflect those were the words.
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Kind of gave me a fatherly pat on the shoulder. Within 20 seconds, he was gone. And I don't blame him at all.
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Had you been waiting for a redo, a mulligan on meeting Bruce?
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As we take our stand Down in jungle land Right after this ad.
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Same shoulder pad, and he was gone.
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So this, in other words, this is on some level for the people gathered at your 60th birthday party. Those who've known you the longest were not totally surprised.
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Hank, I dare say that my fandom of you is, I am constantly trying to negotiate, like, when does the compliment I want to pay also sound like an insult on some level? Well, you're kind of a human jukebox. You're kind of this, like, squeeze toy. I just want to keep on, like, poking and prodding. Are you, like, just a new version of an Elvis impersonator now? Kinda.
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I want to be kind and polite, but also like plumb the depths of what you've considered about this being the thing you're devoting The 60s, your 60s too.
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But when you say the term imposter syndrome, I feel like there's a bit more literalism in the sense that you are, again, not to be pejorative, a professional imposter.
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I think hopefully others relate to what you just said the way that I do, which is to say that is a version of code switching is a more modern term for it. It's also trying to be liked by different groups that you're not naturally a member of. Right. And so for you, there's this thing of, again, to use just another phrase, like everyone's trying to find their voice.
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I don't know if... It has a different meaning for me.
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Share & Halftime & Tell with Wyatt Cenac and Sarah Spain
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Just real quick, back to the boners. Right after this ad. You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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We all knew the gerbil story.
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Was ich herausgefunden habe, ist, dass ihr schon besser Freunde mit einander seid, als ihr mit mir seid. Das ist eine schwierige Sache zu lernen, drei Sekunden in einem Programm.
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Und so die NFL und eher die Netzwerke, die die Rechte zu dem wichtigsten Teil des kulturellen Realitäts, das wir jetzt haben, entschieden, Gears zu verändern.
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Und das jetzt, dieses Michael-Jackson-Halftime-Show, ist das, was wir alle wissen.
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Letztlich, die amerikanische Kultur war nie das gleiche, weil In Living Color diese tanzenden Kinder in der Metrodome bedroht hat.
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In no way will this age poorly to be laughed at later by podcasters revisiting the history of this program.
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Sarah, es ist schön, dich zu sehen. Dir auch. The last time you were on the show, you were super horny for mascots. And I presume that's still the case.
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Luckily though, this year, there is thankfully zero subtext when it comes to such a topic with the current performer we're about to watch together.
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I did want to talk about... The curious case of tech mogul Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson is a guy who may have come to your attention recently because he posted a tweet about his boner as it compares to his son's boner. And in case you are wondering, why am I using these words? This feels gross. Here's the tweet. Quote, nighttime erection data from my 19-year-old son at Talmadge Johnson and me.
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His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Raise children to stand tall, be firm and be upright. Followed by all of these biometric boner charts. So, you know. Das ist der Kerl, in der Dokumentar-Serie, also in der Dokumentar-Serie, Don't Die. Er ist der Kerl. Warte, bevor ich weiterführe. Habt ihr von Brian Johnson gehört, bevor ich sagte, wir müssen über die Boner-Daten lernen? Ja.
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This is what Brian Johnson looks like in the photo Sarah was alluding to as he was engaged in Project Babyface. So Brian Johnson, Sarah, is the guy who is basically on a mission to reverse aging. And he has done this in a way that has been startling and has a sports context. LeBron James famously has been spending $1 million a year on his body.
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But Brian Johnson in comparison spends about $2 million a year on his body. Und so ist das laut Bericht von Ashley Vance, ehemaliger von Bloomberg, die das beobachtet hat, war mit dem Dokumentarfilm involviert. Sie läuft jetzt eine großartige Publikation namens Core Memory, in der sie darüber gesprochen hat, Brian Johnson zu interviewen.
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Das ist ein sehr reicher Techniker, der sagt, ich werde die Gesichter und die Führung eines Bewegungs sein, in dem ich basically entdecken werde, wo die Leute zu Angst vor dem Leben zu gehen haben. In case you were wondering, wanted to find out, how does one measure such boner data?
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His phallus, turgid. Turgid. What a good word. What else is turgid used, if not for erection description? You can't say flaccid without thinking of a dick. Exactly. Flaccid and turgid are the yin and yang of boner adjectives.
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A real goofus and gallon situation. Turgid and flaccid. The highlights magazine of sexual health. What Brian Johnson is trying to say, though, about his erection and his son's erection is that they are... They're nighttime erections. Just clarifying. They're nighttime erections. Nocturnal. His nocturnal... Well, separate and unequal, it turns out, is what he's making the case.
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His son... Brian Johnson is trying to assert that his nighttime nocturnal turgidity... Und Sarah, ich möchte nur erklären, wer Brian Johnson ist, denn er ist der Star von diesem Dock namens Don't Die auf Netflix. Ich möchte nur einen Clip vom Trailer geben, um die Leute zu verstehen, was für ein Archetyp wir hier sind. Ich habe mich um ihn beschäftigt.
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So that it stops on a clip of them in a photo shoot. It's Brian, his dad, and Brian's son, who is the aforementioned... Talmadge. Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge. They basically made a sort of just... Yeah, they gave plasma to each other, youngest to next oldest, in a way that feels... Genau das, worüber wir geredet haben, was Peter Thiel mit seinem Blutbein in Silicon Valley machte.
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Brian Johnson sagt, dass das Teil seines sehr detaillierten und jetzt öffentlichen Plans ist, wie man für immer leben kann.
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Ja, es ist, wie viele Mönche in einem Raum, endlich die Daten von Bohnen auszuschreiben. Ich glaube, das ist so, wie das alte Geschenk läuft. Brian Johnson, übrigens, es ist einfach interessant, wie ich Peter Thiel erwähnt habe, der wieder von der PayPal-Mafia war, mit Elon und David Sachs und all diesen Gargoylen, die wir jetzt kennen.
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Aber Brian Johnson, er hat eine Online-Payment-Processing-Firma gebaut, die Braintree, die Venmo gekauft hat. Und dann hat er Braintree, wie es scheint, in 2013 für 800 Millionen Dollar verkauft. Das heißt, Online-Payment-Processing ist ein echter Durchgang in die dystopische Zukunft, die wir in die Zukunft geraten haben.
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I mean, what he's saying is that one of the indicators of the way in which he has slowed the rate of aging is nighttime erections. And so Brian Johnson at age 47 is on par with his 19-year-old.
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He did quote tweet the tweet from his dad saying, quote, I'm grateful for the way my dad has raised me. Period.
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He's in the turgid place. He's in the turgid place.
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Richtig. Ich fühle mich für all die Souveränität und für all die Pillen und für all die 4.30 Uhr Wachstum, die er hat. Es muss weh sein, wenn jemand sagt, es sieht aus, als ob du in deinen Mitte 40 bist. Richtig. Ihr wisst, dass ESPN-Anwalt Mark Jones bekannt ist.
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Well, I just want to know what program Mark Jones is on. Mark Jones is 63 years old. Yeah. Mark Jones looks younger than Brian Johnson, and it's not close.
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Ja, es fühlt sich nicht wirklich an. Ich möchte eigentlich nur sagen, dass es großartig ist, dass die NWSL, die Nationalen Frauen-Soccer League, das gemacht hat, was jeder Think-PC-Analyst in Sport gemutet hat, nämlich das Draft abzulehnen. Keine Liga in Amerika hat das in dieser Größe gemacht. Ich bin einer dieser Leute in dieser Chor, Look, there are two levels, Wyatt.
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One is the level of fairness, obviously. It's insane always that in this industry, in sports, you have zero control, despite having all of this value over what you are and where you are going to actually use your talents to... Missparaphrased LeBron James.
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But then the second level is like, well, doesn't that also, as much as I love the draft, raise new opportunities for what to do in replacement of it? The television show of the draft, you abolish that too. And that's always, John Skipper says it all the time. The reason he would never want to do it is because the TV show.
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But now you're actually forced to be creative about the entertainment of a world that is more fair and now, again, far more open in terms of like... wie man die Entscheidungen macht und sie dann dem Publikum darstellt.
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It's an amazing thing, right? Like the argument for the draft is inescapably socialist. And we have all of these capitalists who are saying we must have this because that is parody, right? Like otherwise small markets will lose out to big markets.
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The most marquee teams will always get the best players because why would they want to go to fill in the blank, you know, Cincinnati slash whatever, like just also ran markets.
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And again, I am somebody who, like my whole thing on tanking, right, is that the problem with tanking is that it works. It makes sense to do it because you're following incentives. Like it's an amazing thing to have the number one overall pick because you suck. Right. But in a world in which there is no draft... How have these decisions been made? What's happening, I guess, is my question.
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Now that the experiment for the first time is finally being run in America.
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Make it so that instead of the employer... having all of these suitors, you flip, turn the tables.
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At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, we talk about what we found out today on a show about finding out stuff. And I found out just now that Sarah Spain has been holding a banana as not a prop, but actual food and has been restraining herself from using it as a metaphor made real, which I must applaud.
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Ja. An dieser Stelle möchte ich nicht, dass jemand die Daten, die in mir drin sind, sehen. Ich glaube nicht, dass das gut gehen wird.
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Das war Pablo Torre Finds Out, eine Produktion von Meadowlark Media.
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Oh, sure. Burj Khalifa-style. Just rappel down the side of the building. I like that we've already checked off all the SEO bait for the episode. Yeah. in the beginning of this topic.
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So, I didn't know anything about this. Neither did I. And I've thought a lot about the Halftime Show as a cultural institution before. I didn't know about this until you brought it to us and we actually looked into it.
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I mean, it actually does like demand a further explanation because it does not make sense, the sentence that you have said.
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Alright, we don't need to do just a straight up impersonation parody of me.
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Why, Wyatt, did you even discover that In Living Color was involved at all in this?
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And so... Well, to remind people, right? This is, I mean, I don't want to lead with Jim Carrey, but Jim Carrey was on In Living Colour.
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Es ist das mindestens denkbare Ding jetzt, gegen den Superbowl gegen den Halftime zu gehen.
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But at this point in 1992, Fox seizes opportunity when CBS has a Super Bowl and they say, let's create a distraction. Yes. That's gonna steal audience and bring it over to us just for the period of halftime.
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It's very nice to meet you. I'm not a good host. I'm not introducing people.
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Ich liebe, dass sie einen Klopfen in der linken Kante haben. Sie sind sehr klar darüber, was sie tun wollen. Es ist, als ob sie einen Prank auf CBS spielen.
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Ich mag die Idee, dass auf einem Kanal die in living color Superbowl-Halftime-Party ist. And then in the Metrodome in Minneapolis is what is being hailed as this.
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Who says feel the cold? It's winter magic, Wyatt.
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I mean, were you a big enough fan to continue watching this?
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Die Visuals auf dem Film, die Umbrellas mit Snowflakes gedreht sind.
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Sie machen auch Weihnachts-Songs. Es ist Februar, es ist die Superbowl. Es ist überraschend. Brian Boitano, Dorothy Hamill, die 1980er-Jahre-US-Olympische Hockey-Team.
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They do the dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy at one point. And meanwhile, over on Fox, this is happening.
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Holding a giant plastic cheeseball jug, just full of steroids. They were like poking fingers in all of the eyes available to them.
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I was gonna say, I'm also, and I'm here too on the show. Yeah, you're fine on it.
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Ich bekomme einen Eindruck, den ich hier eigentlich nicht gefragt habe.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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So he interviewed on Highly Questionable, R.I.P., to a great show that interviewed rappers a lot. A show that aired on ESPN. Just to keep in mind what everybody's pulling off here.
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Where Dan, and at the time, Bomani, and Dan's dad, Poppy, Gonzalo Lebitard, are interviewing, remotely, 21 Savage.
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He has like a green screen.
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I mean, 21 Savage has a tattoo on his forehead between his eyebrows. His hair is... Like an anime character. I was going to say, imagine Coolio was an anime character. And you kind of approximate.
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And he is just like sort of like smiling and holding his hands in a way that has like a Dr. Claw aspect. Like as if he had just rotated his chair around. And that still frame inspired Donald to play the role of 21 Savage in that interview.
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The casting, a big gap in the understanding that I had as to how much of an homage this was to this specific HQ interview was me then asking around to our group of friends that made this and being like, oh my God, I would love to talk to the actor who played Dan. I got to get him on the show. And I believe, I think it was Fam who was just like, that guy has no idea. what role he was playing.
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Yes. So trying to explain. Your life is repeatedly being asked by people to explain the weird thing you're working on. And that includes the people who are starring in various parts of the thing that they are helping you make.
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It's like, all right, so you're this Cuban guy with a dark goatee and you wear a suit behind this desk next to this old guy and this black dude on the other side and you have like buttons unbuttoned and you're kind of like, you're that guy. And also, uh... I remember Bobani's complaint that he voiced online.
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But that ended up being a thing that people eventually realized, oh, this isn't actually a movie.
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When you're mad that you didn't get the fake movie that this advertised.
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Have you ever seen the, like... Do not ask me if I've seen Gangster's Paradise.
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I remember getting a text, if I'm just going to throw Ibra under the bus, I think it was Ibra. Ibra Ake, who is, again, not to dwell on who Ibra is, but just for people who don't know him, artist, curmudgeon.
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Who lives in France now.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Creative director guy who's worked with you guys. Like, yeah, really? Beyonce now. I'm just like, the resume is actually crazy the more I say it aloud. Yeah.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
A real artist, a snob. A snob. Professional snob, Ibra. I got to get a text from him. Just to give you a sense of the high, he's the highbrow, you could argue. He brings highbrow credibility. He definitely does. From now, Paris. Can I get Stephen A. Smith's contact info? We're thinking of casting him in an episode of Atlanta. What was the role for Stephen A. Smith?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Here are the other actors who, I guess, were being considered for the role. Steve Harvey was our first choice. Then Denzel and Spike and Kevin Samuels.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
He's like, I can't host Family Feud after this.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
And now it's time to play... As somebody who has met Steve Harvey, when I, you know, became the owner of the greatest comeback in the history of Celebrity Family Feud,
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
If I knew the backstory in full then, his voice would be right here.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
The Liam Neeson thing is one of my favorite things that a celebrity has agreed to do. Eyes open.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Again, inspired by an actual interview a celebrity gave to someone.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
So the people who have been subscribing to this podcast from the very beginning, remember that my friend Steven Glover, who was a screenwriter and rapper and actor and producer, was our guest on the fifth ever episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, in which we found out that Steve and his older brother, Donald, invented the concept of memes as children in the 90s and are also currently working on a secret Lando Calrissian Star Wars movie for Disney.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
in this city looking to be sat upon so that i could unleash physical violence liam neeson says he's not racist that's in quotes after controversial interview liam neeson has this from the bbc Liam Neeson has denied he is racist after admitting he once set out to kill any black man who provoked him.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
And so then you guys are like, we have an idea for Liam Neeson. I mean. And by the way, the quote that I just read in all of its bluntness and discomfort is kind of where there is a place to actually understand why Liam Neeson would want to do this and actually benefited from doing what he did with Atlanta.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
End quote from Liam Neeson. Which again, the honesty in that, he's like, I'm going to actually express what was going through my mind. And we are, in fact, better off when people are able to express how they honestly feel. So the episode, again, to fill in the blanks here, it's the season that, and the episode particularly in this case, takes place in Amsterdam.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
and there's a club, a seemingly hallucinatory club, where you go in and everybody who's in there has been canceled.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Uh, I just followed a local.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
We can spoil the... What the f*** are we talking about? Some people haven't seen... Steve, spoiler alert, okay? We can speak freely now. You've been warned. You've been warned.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I presume there are people who have not seen this and they should go and watch it and they should come back to this to find the analysis that we're providing. I now realize, by the way, for the record, Whenever we meet up, I have no idea what we're going to talk about.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Turns out that I've just realized what Atlanta was through this particular lens, which is a show where you have to at one point ask Michael Vick to be on it.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
which immediately made news when he said it on the show in 2023. But Steve is also the guy who accepted, in 2017, two Writers Guild of America awards for Atlanta, which remains my favorite television show of all time.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
The shooting of it, in terms of, like, just how you guys told the story of the race. As in, stops right as Donald seems to, like, get ahead of Michael Vick at the starting line. And then, like, the motif of the... Kind of like Rocky music. The whole thing of we don't need to show the race.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
And then... the car and there is no music it is dead silent for several seconds and you don't even know the outcome except it's now obvious what the outcome is and then she says it's michael vick which is the truth you know that's what's so funny too it's such a great economy of showing and i mean in this case
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Michael Vick, man. An Atlanta legend. Can you take us inside the origin of that scene? Do you remember how it originated?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I mean, I feel like that's actually a wildly, that's like hot ones now.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was hot. I know, I know. That is still hot. It's a weird show, I know.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
You know, by the time... It's like, wait a minute, Justin Bieber's black?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
So you guys want us to get Justin Bieber?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
But look, the term from literature to be highbrow, right, is magical realism. Like that's Spanish literature. It's like they don't, they're not explaining either. Yeah, you know. Like why is there this mysterious man on a bus eating like a peanut butter sandwich?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
At the end of the book, they don't tell you, by the way, that was an allegory. It's hard to answer that question because...
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Yes, yes. That's the argument for it is that we are, whether we can articulate this or articulate it enough, we are starving people. for stuff that actually does make us think as well as make us laugh at the same time. And doing that smart, but again, has some cheese melted on the broccoli. Exactly. Is, is we just don't,
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
And so if you've never seen Atlanta, which also won a bunch of Emmys and Golden Globes and also mainstreamed Migos into popular American culture, just know that what we're about to do here is talk about stuff like Donald racing Michael Vick and casting Liam Neeson, and also this insane project from last year that involved both 21 Savage, another very popular rapper from Atlanta, as well as Dan Lebitard,
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I do like how the lesson at the end of this, like, what did I find out today? I guess you should be good at making things. I would bet on whoever is actually, like, skilled at making stuff.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
are people who have maybe the ability to communicate and then teach this to younger people, even if they may seem like a strange person to listen to, which does remind me of the movie Dangerous Minds.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
You know, my boss here at MetalArk, which we'll explain. But it is not like Steve has been able to make every project that he's ever pitched in Hollywood.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I like that Esco is the guy with the nuclear football for the president. If you lose this archive, we are fucked.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
So Future has to start from scratch.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
But on night 55, it was real bleak.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
They almost recorded an acoustic album.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Wait a minute. Hold on. You're acting like I'm so wistful for this idea we never got to do where we made a fake movie for Future and instead had to settle for making a fake movie for 21 Savage.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
When we got to know each other, Steve Glover, you came in with a lot of stories that I didn't know about, about s*** you had done. I'm not here to confront you over whether you had ever driven a car under the influence.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Do you know this one friend who just comes out of bed in the morning and then doesn't come out of his grin? Who is even in front of the first coffee, shamelessly well-groomed and shines around the bed with the morning sun? Terrible. Disgusting. How can you just be so... Restless?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
So before we get to this fake 21 Savage movie, which I've been meaning to get to for more than a year now, you should also know that there is a thing that PTFO does share in common with Steve and Donald and their group of friends that I have been lucky enough to watch flourish in this industry as both writers and honestly, cultural critics over the last decade from up close.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Because both of us love stuff that is extremely smart but also extremely stupid.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I say melting cheese on broccoli a lot. Trying to melt cheese on broccoli.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
And sometimes, as PTFO has established as well, you also got to mix in a little bit of levitard, as you will very vividly see over on our YouTube channel. Which brings us back to something that, yes, I really did need to find out. So the 21 Savage thing though, me talking about this is so overdue.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
It's overdue for a couple of reasons. One of them is that my boss, Dan Lebitard, friend and boss.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I mean. Is depicted in it by a guy who looks, I wouldn't say in a literal way exactly like Dan, but is spiritually exactly like Dan.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Do you have a power ranking in your mind of like, young Steve?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Except for the part where you said it's him two minutes ago.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
The investigation that I went through on like, so how is it that Dan Levitard and Bomani Jones, it turns out, were both depicted in the trailer. How would you describe what I'm talking about? What that project was for people, again, who did not get to consume it at the time?
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Where the musician is also in the movie.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
So they didn't splice Coolio into a scene from Dangerous Minds. They put Michelle Pfeiffer into the gangsta's paradise. So that's gangsta's paradise. The gangsta's paradise cinematic universe. The multiverse.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I feel like you and Donald and all of our friends who work with you guys, Swanky, BraFam, Chad, they're all mad when I don't say their names aloud when I listen to podcasts. I say that you guys collectively like it. when people are like, so this is a real movie for 21 Savage that you guys are making.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
For people who haven't seen the Goofy episode of Atlanta. What is it? Yeah.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
Telling the origin of the Goofy movie at Disney. And the documentary is named The Goof Who Sat by the Door. The Thomas Washington story. Which is already just like... Pretty hilarious. And why I think on some level like we are friends. It's like this is both the highest brow and the lowest.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
It's like a spook who sat by the door illusion in the name of a fake documentary on a fake black media network about Goofy.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
All of which brings us to why Dan Levitard was in the 21 Savage fake movie trailer music video.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I don't think he understands his significance enough to have a developed opinion on it.
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Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood
I just remember him saying to me, like, what is this?
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
This is when, I don't know if Katie ever experienced this, I presume not, in Celebrity Jeopardy. This is when the stage manager comes by and is like, Don't give up. Do not give up. You can come back. It's possible to win the game.
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And in the crowd, like an emotional support audience member, dancing to the music piped into that arena is Mike Gullick Jr., Just being himself, and it helped me so much.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
We did not believe in miracles. We were contemplating increasingly that this was going to be just a series of viral humiliations. Nobody more concerned about this, by the way, than our dear friend, Mina Kanz. Thank you.
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Mina, unilaterally was like, we're not getting skunked like this.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
We're playing.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
The stage manager also, by the way. Absolutely the right call.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Wait a minute. That was the third Sixers season that they tanked in. It was like, guys,
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
That's a tough scene. I could feel the billions upon billions of people on the planet pressuring me as this happened.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Steve, I'm going to compare it to a blender.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
That is a LinkedIn endorsement now on my profile.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
He puts it on you.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
It was not a concern because luckily our team, our team captain, is the head of a food empire, a food media company, and they were going next.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
You gotta get this comma dude slash mother.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And also, just so we can get Mina's actual thoughts on the matter herself, here she is on an episode of The Dave Chang Show that we just taped, explaining what was going through her mind as all of us were getting zero answers correct.
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My whole thing, by the way, at this point was like, and I had to sort of, who am I channeling? What's my motivation, right? I'm not me. Who am I trying to be? And I'm like, oh, what would Homer Simpson do was the question. That was like, what would Homer Simpson do if he was being polled by this survey? I don't think Michelle Wee necessarily approached it in the same way.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And so, of course, Chrissy Teigen and John Legend, they smell blood.
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For the record here, the answers were in order from one to seven. Blender slash mixer. Spoon slash ladle. Hot oven. Cork opener. Can opener. Nuts. Baster. Whisk slash beater.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
I like that Katie is the election denier on the show.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Luckily, though, what we stole was 98 points. Nice. We're on the board. We got no answers that actually deserve 98 points, but we got 98 points. And now I have to walk up to the buzzer.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Nothing has felt more like climbing into a television than encountering Steve Harvey in person. He is a surreal entity. What'd he smell like? What'd he smell like? Cologne? Cologne? Good question. He smelled like money.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
So just so we can speed through this part, nobody gets anything right on that side. And so the opportunity to steal again, to Dan's point, this entire game is actually a validation of Katie's strategy, which is try to steal, try to steal. But before we do, something happens that I don't know has ever happened in the history of Celebrity Family Feud or anything.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
It's pathetic and it is voiced by Steve Harvey himself.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
This was Mina's thought, which you can hear her think as we hear what the answers turned out to be.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Mina is at that moment reading her own mentions from the future.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
He smelled like money sprayed with cologne.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And by the way, like, so Gojo, I think could get this sense from being around us pregame, but like David Chang and Chris Yang, these are business partners, friends, but Chang doesn't trust Chris. That's why, so Dan was asking like, what's the lineup order? The lineup order was that whatever it is, Chris Yang is last because David Chang regards him as a choker.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And just so you know that I am not exaggerating any of this, here is Dave Chang on The Dave Chang Show describing Chris Ying's history of choking.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
He does not want him to go to the buzzer. In Family Feud rules, the first four people of your team don't, they go to the buzzer, the fifth person does not. Right.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Unless... Unless you suck so bad. There is an unprecedented sudden death sub 300 buzz off in which suddenly the fifth starting rotation has to go up with everything on the line and do this.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
easy category in the history of game shows. What is the color associated with camouflage? And there is just one stupid answer. It is the opposite of our strategy. We have to buzz first and say the obvious answer. Just say it. Chris Ying, buzz in and say it. Choker.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
They're like, the runtime of this show does not accommodate an extra round. So let's make sure we get this one. We won the game 98 to 285. Okay. We lost the game by being down 187 points, but because of green, made it to Fast Bunny. Fast Money, for those who are not familiar, is the part of the show where your charity, this is for charity, let's also remember that, I guess. That's important.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
They win all the money if you can crack 200 points.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Dan, there is a take of this where me and Mina are standing on either side of Steve Harvey about to do Fast Money. I would love to see her face. I want to see that. Pablo, you've got to get that.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
You have to. It gets better because me and Mina are locked in, obviously. Chang didn't want to do it. Right. That's why Mina and I were there.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And the stage manager who was like, by the way, guys, please don't give up, was like, by the way, guys, this is Celebrity Family Feud. The captain of the team needs to do this. You coward.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Have you ever watched, yeah, afternoon sports television at a sports bar?
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
That's right. This was the third take, by the way. So at one point, Steve Harvey says, David, good to see you. Because Chang was so discombobulated. Yes. Remember this, Gojo. He walks out and he keeps on walking off stage. What? he doesn't stop.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
It's like the opposite of when Michael Vick scored that touchdown against the Vikings where he runs out the tunnel except it's before anything is actually scored. Why? Because he didn't know what was happening. And doesn't want to do it.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
So after the successful take three, I get sent backstage. So I go second. So immediately we're like, I should probably go last.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Trying to help Chang. They sent me backstage and I have big headphones on.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And so, of course, I've never seen the backstage of Family Feud. It is an even more intimidating place. Headphones go on, big headphones like these. And on loop in my headphones is the song Hey Jealousy. Huh. Gin Blossoms? So there was a security guard standing in front of me looking. And in front of him was the monitor in which you could see everything.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And so he had that monitor at like a one degree angle past what I could see. Almost daring me to try and like break out and like peek around the corner. Instead, I'm just like locking eyes with this man. I would just close my eyes. As he is watching this, as Hey Jealousy and like a Clockwork Orange like just...
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
military-style torture experiment is playing over and over again, which means that I could not experience what Gojo got to see in the audience, which was this.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
It looked like a level from like a Batman video game. It did. It was just like enormous gray, bleak, but in the middle of it were these gleaming lights in this soundstage in Culver City. And inside of that soundstage, the show began.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Survey said... Just, hello, it's me.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
I walked out, okay? Headphones off. Hey, jealousy is over. I walk out. I immediately notice a almost like depressive Mina Kimes.
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And the mood in the room is a mixture of things that is confusing to me and only making me more and more terrified.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
I may have started peeing down my leg.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
That's all right.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
I was, I was residually stoned. It was in my bloodstream.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
It was one of those things where I'm like.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Does Steve Harvey know?
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Does Steve Harvey expect me to not look into the camera and break the fourth wall and acknowledge what was just said?
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
That- Confidence. Honestly, when Steve said that, it kind of broke me out of a spell a bit. And I was like, oh, okay, wait a minute. As the drug's wearing off. Opportunity has arrived.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
I will say, I did, from there, mostly blackout. You ready? I'm ready, Steve.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
That was Will Ferrell in old school. I truly, like, lost consciousness.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Not the coolest I've ever looked.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
What would Homer Simpson do? What would Homer Simpson do?
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I did not remember reacting like that, obviously. When I watched it back, I was like, it kind of looks like I'm waiting for Steve Harvey to catch me. Like I wanted to, you know, jump into his arms. He did not. He turned away. But what was cut down, Gojo, you were there. In my mind, we celebrated for like 30 minutes. Weren't you on the ground for a little while?
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
So I collapsed onto the ground and started doing like the Homer Simpson spinning around on his back thing.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Because I was just feeling all of the feelings I had never allowed myself to feel before.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
My feeling was, I think this is what Tom Brady must feel like.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Above me, I looked up. This is not a joke. It was cut from the episode. I looked up. almost as if on an operating table post-surgery. And there was Chrissy Teigen, like with fake defibrillators on my chest, like getting into the routine of me, like being on the floor, like comatose. All of that got cut.
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Yeah, I feel like it wasn't budgeted in the time allotted.
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The PTFO investigation is forthcoming.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
I think I was going towards... banana leaf, but I was going to, like, you know, make it even more obviously a penis.
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A banana leaf is enormous, by the way. We're going to put up a photo of a banana leaf on the show.
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I mean, it's just one of the biggest leaves.
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Yeah, definitely Google Pablo's banana leaf. Yeah, I was like, billions of Asian people want me to yell banana leaf just to clarify.
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Steve Harvey walks out there in a suit that I've never seen before. It's just like, what is this color combination? That's all one gleaming, shimmering color that smells like, again, pheromones.
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I didn't realize when I showed up that day that I would become the highest second contestant in the history of Celebrity Family Feud. But that's what it was like. It made me think of great... game show contestants like Katie Nolan, of course. Yes, of course. The trilogy we chronicled on PTFO at length in this way.
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And also Mike Golick Jr. And also Dan Levitar. Have you seen this? Oh, yes.
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He dresses like a Bond villain. He does. And he immediately was like pointing to the real celebrities, like John Legend. It's like, that's his guy.
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The relatability game show. Mm-hmm. Me, me.
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Yeah, immediately, by the way, they did start to, like, talk some shit.
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I want to establish, so Dan is here, Gojo is here, Katie is here, because people have been asking me, did you have a watch party for your episode of Celebrity Family Feud? And I said, absolutely not. I watched it by myself in my living room on the floor and was overwhelmed with everything that happened that I did not remember. And I said, the real watch party is happening today.
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Well, this is what became very obvious to us immediately. So David Chang had assembled, he casted this team of people who went to like fancy schools. So the team, I mean, look, I'll say this just for the record here. I wanted like Gronk. I felt like we needed one token white guy. I would have pulled Gojo out of the stands, frankly.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
But instead what he did, what Chang did was assemble a team of like, of nerds to play Family Feud.
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The handshake was a big moment.
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I don't know. No one else got their handshake displayed like that on our team.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
It's like I sort of wanted him to do... That's the most alpha male boot camp endorsed handshake. I've seen a presidential debate before. I need to send an electric sort of worm jolt into the guy I'm shaking hands with.
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You will discover in the doing of this episode that in no way at any point was I in control. I was not. Steve had an agenda, Dan, that did not involve celebrating the independent truth-seeking media company that you and I, of course, are so proud. So, so very proud to represent at all times.
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Katie does sort of like paw like a cat.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
Thank you for reminding me. So an example, the prime example of how we are not in control is that David Chang did not want to be the patriarch of this team. He didn't want to be Team Chang. And so he was asking, like, what should we be instead? And I was like, oh, we can choose. We should be Team Asia.
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So many people were like, you know, this is confusing for lots of reasons because we are not related for the record. We are not family.
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So in this case, we were like, we want to be Team Asia. And so we were telling this to the people outside of the set before the thing started. And the producer, Gojo was there. Looking at the white man's face, his response to being provided the counter possibility of Team Asia was that of abject horror.
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And would have looked like Family Feud had named this team of Asian people Team Asia.
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in studio on a little show that is named after me, in which I will be the most narcissistic Dan Lebitard that a narcissist has ever been.
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Oh, it would have just said Asia.
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He called really not do this? He called his own manager and was like, I need to call the manager.
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Can I tell them they can't be Asian?
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
So speaking of the fun, Katie and I had dinner that week in LA. You were there randomly. And Katie provided me a strategy that I didn't.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
I brought it to the team. I brought the strategy to the team. Could you explain the strategy?
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I've never broken down the all 22.
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Do you kick or receive?
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Seven or more.
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Yes, you get to see on the board how many cards are there to be turned over. And if there are seven or more statistically, to get all of those right is so unlikely. And that's the only way you can get the points if you choose to play.
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Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure
And so what if you were to just,
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It was so scary. Can I just say that up front? Like, so, Gojo is here not just because we love Gojo. Gojo is here because Gojo was there. Gojo was in the audience. It's a big building. It's the biggest building I've ever been in, it felt like. And there's crowds of people. I am the man in the arena, as Tom Brady likes to say, as that quote goes. And it's horrifying.
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Immediately, we're like... They got the woke out of there pretty quickly, Dan.
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They're not letting the woke wound your feud, Dan. That's right. The carceral state. Number one thing about it, no wife. Number one review You could tell By the way That like Our plan immediately Like Hypothetically Made sense It's like Seven answers on the board All that stuff But we just A recurring theme Is that we are Very slow on the buzzer
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The good news, though, the silver lining was that the plan, the logic of the plan is borne out. It begins to work because the category is super hard. Seven answers. And just to speed through it. So number one, no wife slash family. Ridiculous. Number two, meals a day. Three meals a day.
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Number three is no rent slash bills. Saw that. Number six is no job. Number seven is meet new friends. And so... Really? The four and five answers are left blank. And so we have a chance now to steal the category.
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Good answer. Good answer. Too good. The answer was too good. Yeah, so we're down.
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Yeah, this became clear with the next category.
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Like, of course he would say a teddy. Yeah, an answer that's basically crooned, even if it's said, is teddy. You can see, by the way, if you, again, grind the all 22, you can see Michelle Wee, after she gets the answer right, look back at us being like, are we going to pass?
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And then, of course, the choice is taken from our hands because John Legend gets it right with Teddy. But again, Katie, it's seven answers. Yep. And then, of course, they don't get all seven because getting all seven is statistically almost impossible, it turns out.
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Bikini, bra, miniskirt, sexy maid costume.
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Stripper heels.
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We're down 141 points to zero.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out.
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85, that number had doubled, now half a million fax machines. And now it's journalists, it's doctors, it's lawyers. It's that scene in Back to the Future 2, where old Marty McFly gets fired via fax. What's your fax number has become one of the most frequently asked questions in the business community.
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The haptic sensation of pressing a keypad on a... And again, this is... Yeah, reach over there. Yep. It feels good. We don't do that enough. No. We don't dial.
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Das ist ein neuer Bereichscode.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
New Jersey? Nein, nein, es ist hier in der Stadt. Es ist das gleiche wie 212, sie haben es nur mit 3 multipliziert. Und dann haben sie 1 zu dem mittleren Nummer geübt.
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according to this book, faxed the rise and fall of the fax machine. Americans were faxing, quote, pizza orders, song requests, party invitations, greeting cards, ski reports, amniocentesis results, baby footprints, children's drawings, vows of eternal love. I had forgotten that this was not merely a business machine. This was people enjoying the novelty of communication. It is magical.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
You send a piece of paper in one room and across the world it shows up in another. It is pretty f***ing
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
You've Got Facts is a very different rom-com. Agreed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, wouldn't work at all. Now, in sports though, the business that you worked in, there was one national holiday that to me is the encapsulation of the centrality of the fax machine.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Wenn war die letzte Zeit, als du ein 15x15, 8,5 Inch hohes grünes Gerät behältest, das für deine ehemalige Leben wichtig war? was instrumental in my childhood memory. And also, this is not a joke. We bought this on eBay. We had a box in this studio yesterday. And the cleaning crew, our great cleaning crew here in our building, threw out the box containing the headset.
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Und so National Sports Facts Day was a thing where Phil Knight, co-founder of Nike, would sit in the football office at Oregon, his alma mater, on signing day and just stare at the fax machine. Deliver us. Deliver us our next great star. It got to the point, I mean, Ole Miss, they were obsessed with this. They had a Canon IRC3080 and they had a play in their playbook called Fax.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The Wall Street Journal reported that at the University of Miami, the Fax technician, this is a quote, didn't show up until the morning of signing day. Sure enough, the machine broke down after the first couple of letters, causing the staff to scramble to get recruits to send their letters elsewhere. Endquote. It was not merely ceremonial.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
This was actually like the legal procedure to actually register your commitment.
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And if you didn't have it, if the machine was broken, you got f***ed. And to be very clear, this is not a hypothetical scenario. Because our journey into the history of faxes and letters of intent led us to this guy.
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1996 war Darrell Price ein blutgerichteter Fußballspieler, der sich auf die Ohio State University verabschiedet hatte. All er musste tun, war, seine Willkommensmitte zu faxen, von seiner Heimat in Kalifornien nach Ohio.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Faxed, delivered, paid, done. That lady at that convenience store had officially turned the page on Durrell's life. But after he left the convenience store, something felt kind of off. Ohio State-Coach John Cooper hatte damals Durell persönlich rekrutiert. Und, übrigens, OSU, ein Powerhouse, hatte fünf Jahre lang in der Nation Top-3 gespielt, was großartig war.
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Aber jetzt, als Durell nach Hause ging, dachte er sich, wie weit Columbus von seinem Nachbarland im San Fernando Valley war. Er fing an zu denken, wie nahe UCLA ihn auch rekrutiert hatte.
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A whole other episode in our ongoing series of technology. Can you imagine losing out on that prospect because you're a fax machine? He couldn't figure it out?
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Ein Adendum zu dieser Geschichte, Jay, als wir beide lachen bei John Cooper in Ohio State, ist, dass seine Mutter es richtig gemacht hat. Offensichtlich war es nicht das letzte Mal, dass es zu Ohio State passiert ist, weil 20 Jahre später, National Signing Day 2016, die Trainer warten auf ihr letztes Vermögen.
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Das war ein großer Rekrutierer bei Wide Receiver und die Buckeyes Fax-Maschine rief aus dem Papier. Wow.
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Because they thought it was trash. It's being disposed. It's relic. This must be a box containing rotten fruit or some sh**.
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Communications etiquette. Now it's just like, here's a JPEG out of nowhere, right into your brain, that I didn't ask for.
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Irgendjemand hat mir ein ASCII-Bild von einem *** gefaxt. Es ist in meiner Küche aufgefallen.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The reason I brought you here really is because of the most famous facts in the history of faxes. Certainly sports faxes, I would argue, faxes in general. And it happened 30 years ago this month.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Hey, Mikey, we like it. Not a huge surprise, but clearly one of the great comebacks since Burt Reynolds' hairline. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Wow.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Du musst ein Preset drücken. Der Geist hat sich jetzt übernommen.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
This was the same thought that everybody from Bulls fans to Bill Clinton in the White House was talking about and thinking about aloud.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And there's just this one clip from The Last Dance, of course, the docu-series made by our friend Jason Herr, which was about 500 minutes long, but there's this 30-second chunk of this specific moment in which we hear from David Falk, Michael Jordans longtime agent.
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Schreib dir ein Bild darin, was von ihrer Seite der Transmission passiert ist.
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Ja, das folgende Statement wurde heute von Michael Jordan durch seinen persönlichen Unternehmens- und Geschäftsführer David B. Falk, Präsident von Falk Associates Management Enterprises Incorporated, Fame, in Parentheses, in Washington, D.C., in Antwort auf Fragen über seine zukünftigen Karrierepläne.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
He and his agent Bernie Lee just did it as their whole squabble with the heat was unfolding this year.
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These are pale limitations, J.A., because what Allison had to do, individually sending it to every outlet one at a time, that arrived in their offices unbidden, shockingly.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The quote that she gave you in your reporting, it wasn't like sending a mass email.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
There's no BCC. It sounds like a horse and carriage, is what Alison Sadowski told you, about her memory of what happened when she got out of the shower to realize, oh my God, I'm about to become a historical character they talk about 30 years later this month.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
But what happens on Sunday, again, you said it was Saturday, setting the scene again. It's Sunday, March 19th, 1995. And conveniently, it's the NBA on NBC.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Michael Jordan ist zurück. But it wasn't even the end. Like the lesser, the undercard, Jay. Which is the story that I didn't remember until we, here, Papa Tory finds out, relived this. And this is a story that you are personally, you were around covering. Because it wasn't just Michael Jordan saying, I'm back. It was, who? Pat Riley.
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Quote, für alle heutigen Bedürfnisse. And tomorrows. The Brother in Telefax. 1570 MC. They failed to anticipate the internet, PDFs, email, all that. Didn't quite anticipate tomorrow. J.A. Adande, Head of Northwestern's Sports Journalism Program, my friend and colleague from ESPN, also longtime sports writer, just inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame last year.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Wir haben mit dem ehemaligen Hauptverwalter von MSG gesprochen, Ken Munoz. Denn sein Büro hatte die Fax-Maschine, die die Verschuldung bekommen hat.
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Yeah, it was a fax machine at his office, apparently. And what he remembers most clearly, quote, is that we were very upset with that. I was frankly shocked, end quote.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Spike Lee was furious.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
I don't know, I just think that maybe he should have just stood up and faced the fire instead of doing it by fax. They're going to be kind of hard on Pat Riley. He's going to be here for a rough night.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The public. It was only via fax that he said anything.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And so everyone's waiting for this.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
He's basically saying, I'm not the guy who made everybody fax this shit.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Ich habe diese Theorie, die ich entdeckte. Je mehr wir in die Faktenmaschine reißen, desto mehr haben Sport nicht die größten Fakten aller Zeiten. Vielleicht zwei der größten in den Geschichten, die wir gerade gelesen haben. Aber ich denke, Sport könnte auch die Faktenmaschine töten. Und ich möchte hier nur ein paar Mathematiken erklären, Jay, weil wir die Trajectorie der Fakten tracken.
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Und es scheint, um die Zeit zu kommen, als Pat Riley in den Garten zurückkehrte, im Sommer von 1995, gab es 80 Faktenmachinen für jeden tausend Amerikaner. But the sports world, of course, it was clinging to the machine to the point where in 2013, there was a story about NFL free agency now. And it's the story of defensive end Elvis Dumerville, if you recall this gentleman.
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So pro bowler, three times over. Denver Broncos, exactly right. Five-man pressure, Brady's gonna be hit hard and sacked.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
He did not hit send at Kinkos until 4.06 p.m. And the Denver Broncos, faced with a $13 million salary cap hit, cut Elvis Dumerville. Oh no. Who then signs with the Ravens, the aforementioned team that had just knocked them out of the playoffs. And you could argue, some have argued, that this fax gate made the Broncos lose the Super Bowl. That this was a key just...
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sliding doors, maybe literally Kinkos sliding doors moment that cost them a trophy. And so a month later, the NFLPA, the Players Association, signs a deal with DocuSign. Wow. Wow. Welche Reaktion haben Sie zu diesem Thema?
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Congrats, by the way, on that.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
So, I suppose this is where your reporting here has revealed a problem. I don't know if we have a phone jack here. In this fancy studio we built for podcasting, there are so many jacks and ports and wires and cords and cameras and all sorts of things. I think we have some finding out to do. And I think I got to take our Intellifax and hit the streets.
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The fax machine helped me get there. Did you thank the fax in your speech? I should have. Wie fühlst du dich, wenn du jetzt mit dieser Maschine am Tisch bist, die ich noch nicht gesehen habe, seit den 90ern?
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
All right, so you may remember that reference I made earlier to Chekhov's gun, which was in honor of Russian playwright Anton Chekhov, the guy who once said something along the lines of, quote, End approximate quote. Well, we're now in the last act of the show, and I suppose it is time for me to admit that I started this entire adventure, actually, by trying to acquire someone else's gun.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Denn im Februar habe ich Michael Jordans Agent, David Falk, gefragt, ob es die Chance gab, dass er noch die Fax-Maschine hatte. Die gleiche, die man benutzt hat, um die Fax zu senden. Denn natürlich ist es ein Museumspiel für mich. Ein echter Treue. Und was David Falk mir zurückgeschrieben hat, war das hier. Hey Pablo, hast du noch dein Telefon aus 1995? Endquote.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And then three crying laughing emojis. And then David Falk refused to elaborate any further. Which, you know, seemed unnecessary to me. Aber jetzt haben wir hier, wie Pablo Torre herausgefunden hat, unsere eigene Fax-Maschine, unsere eigene Bruder-Intellifax-1570-MC aus 1995.
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Und alles, was ich jetzt tun muss, wenn ihr noch nicht auf unserem YouTube-Kanal schaut, was ihr natürlich auch machen solltet, ist, wie J.A.Hidande es in diesem Schneesturm gemacht hat, in der Suche nach Penn Station, um endlich eine Botschaft auszuführen. Eine Botschaft auf behalf der Fax-Maschine selbst. So, I think the plan is to find a phone jack for our fax machine in Manhattan in 2025.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Let's go this way. Do you guys have any idea what this is?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Excuse me, do you know what this is? No? Fair enough. Es ist eine Fax-Maschine, richtig?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Ich versuche mal, wo ich einen Phone-Jack finde. Ich glaube, ich probiere einen Deli oder so.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Okay, hier ist Starbucks. Mal sehen. Hi. Ihr habt keinen Phone-Jack, oder? Bei Starbucks? Ein Phone-Jack? Nein? In case you were wondering how heavy this fax machine is, the answer is, it is extremely heavy. So, I know this deli, this deli knows me. How's it going? I'm good. Question, do you guys have a phone jack? That's a very clear and, again, understandable 0 for 2.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Another stop is a hair salon. You're not alone. Nobody has a phone jack anymore. I'm trying to plug in a fax machine. Weiß jemand, wo ich einen Phonejack für diese Fax-Maschine finden kann? Eine Landlinie! So far zero. Zero takers. Hi, hello. My name is Pablo. I host a show called Pablo Torre Finds Out. I'm a neighbor. This is a fax machine. We were looking for a phone jack.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Do you guys have a phone jack that we could just borrow for a minute?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Okay. Below ground. Yeah, absolutely. What was your name?
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Nikki Pavlo. Okay, great. Do I just follow you below ground? Yeah. Amazing. This is Manhattan's only brewery? It is.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Wie sieht das aus? Wir sind in der Unterfläche einer Brewerie. Da ist ein riesiger... Was ist das für ein Metall? Ein sehr... Ein sehr grosses Aluminium. Hallo! Wie geht's? Ich bin Pablo. Wir haben eine Fax-Maschine, die... Dein Name noch einmal? Nicky. Nicky sagte, wir könnten uns hier in eine Telefonmaschine verbinden.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Ja. Just in case you were wondering what this fax said... Quote, for immediate release, contact Pablo S. Torre, 513-85-Pablo, New York, New York, March 27, 2025. The following statement was released today by Pablo S. Torre through his personal friend and business manager, Pablo S. Torre.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Host of Pablo Torre finds out, also known as PTFO, located in New York, New York, in response to questions about the future of fax machines. I think it's working. Oh, it's working. It's alive. It's alive. It's beautiful. God. Quote. We are so back. End quote. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media Production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Es ist seit 30 Jahren dieses Monats, seit der Welt herausgefunden hat über die größten Fakten aller Zeiten. Geschrieben worden, so zu sagen, von der größten Athletin aller Zeiten. Und es gibt niemanden besser, ich verspreche Ihnen, um heute mit mir zurück in die Zeit zu reisen, als J.A. Adande.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Der Journalist, der nicht nur die Geschichte hinter dieser Geschichte berichtet hat, sondern auch der Typ, der jetzt auch seine Zeit umgebracht hat, die Journalisten an Northwestern, für die die Technologie in Frage ist, völlig unvergesslich. Wie auch die Sache, die man mit der Fax-Maschine verbinden musste, um eine Fax zu senden. Eine Telefonnachricht.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
All das war wichtig für das, wie Sport und Journalismus funktionierten.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Und diese chinesische Familie hat deine journalistische Arschlöcherin am Abend gerettet.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Für die Kinder da draußen war das nicht nur ein amerikanisches Phänomen. Das war global.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
This studio is a time machine today. We are traveling back in time. Do you remember the relic on our desk here?
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Bis jetzt, 33 Jahre später.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The degree of difficulty when it came to filing something, it's truly unrelatable to people living in 2025 that you had to go through all these hoops and all that.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Because it was not the easiest thing to make what feels now like the most automated part of this actually happen. Do you have memories of fighting this machine, of like struggling with the premise of this machine?
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
This is, she is, well, I guess he is, the brother and telefax 1570 MC. I believe it's a mid-90s vintage fax. Das klingelt. Das klingelt. Das klingelt.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Du hast Francis Ford Coppola gesehen, der Direktor von The Godfather, hat seinen Agenten ein Fax gesendet, das er nicht refusieren konnte.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Diese Maschine hier, ich meine, das ist, für diejenigen, die nicht auf YouTube schauen, das ist eine Check-Offs-Fax-Maschine-Situation. Wir werden eine Fax-Maschine ausführen, bis zum Ende dieses Episodes. Ich verspreche, das zu tun. Also von Francis Ford Coppola bis Michael Jordan, runter die Linie.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Was wir hier tun, ist, die Geschichte einer Maschine zu erzählen, die die Geschichte, die wir alle kennen, geformt hat, auch wenn wir sie nie wirklich genossen haben. wie gut wir es hatten. Und auch, ich denke, es bringt uns zurück zu einem Zeitpunkt, an dem wir wünschen, dass wir es immer noch hatten.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Die Geschichte der Fax-Maschine, ich weiß nicht, ob ihr euch mit dem Deep Dive kennengelernt habt, das wir persönlich gemacht haben, hier bei Pablo Torre Finds Out. Aber ihr könnt eine Linie zurücktracen, zurück zu 1924, und es gibt einen Amerikaner namens Richard Ranger. Und Richard Ranger hat das Fotoradiogramm inventiert.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Und was er mit diesem Fotoradiogramm gemacht hat, war, eine Fotosendung von New York zu London von Calvin Coolidge zu senden. Calvin Coolidge.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
It all starts with that. Und dann 1966, um kurz voranzugehen, ist es Xerox und sie haben den Magnifax-Telekopier vorgestellt. Und das ist das Ding, das sich zu jeder Telefonnummer verbindet, in nur sechs Minuten. Und du bist bereit, den langen Abstand zu bezahlen. Erinnerst du dich an Almost Famous?
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Da ist das Szenario, wo Rolling Stone William, der Protagonist, seinen Story an den Fakt-Checker sendet.
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The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Das ist jetzt die Marke, auf die Leute versuchen, sich zu verbessern. Also 1974, wir sind bis 1980 auf drei Minuten pro Page. Und das ist, denke ich, die große globalisierte Revolution. Die Japaner machen das kommerziell verantwortlich. Und ab diesem Punkt, bis 1980, gibt es ungefähr 250.000 Fax-Maschinen in den USA. And they're being advertised. There are commercials.
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The Sporting Class: MLB and ESPN's Divorce
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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The Sporting Class: MLB and ESPN's Divorce
Angetrieben vom Nervenkitzel der Geschwindigkeit und der Kraft des außergewöhnlichen Styles vereint die Capture Collection von Tommy Hilfiger performanceorientiertes Design mit grenzenlosem Selbstbewusstsein. Das ist mehr als nur ein Look, es ist die Uniform für alle, die ihre Träume verwirklichen wollen.
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The Sporting Class: MLB and ESPN's Divorce
Wie kann man nur so... Ausgeruht sein? Ganz einfach. Trainiere deinen Schlaf und werde auch du zum Morgenmenschen. Mit der Galaxy Watch 7 oder dem Galaxy Ring und der Samsung Health App.
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Why Listening to Action Bronson Makes Us Happy
At the top of the head, kid. Hardest part of the body. Hurts, don't it, huh? What are you going to do now? What are you going to do now? Here he comes. Here he comes. Hey!
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. That's why I signed in Milwaukee, so I can get free, secretly, for life. Right after this ad.
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He's like the opposite of Babe Ruth.
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All of these guys on a relative basis are themselves like sideshows. These are... Relatively speaking, Scrubs, Kobe Jodes, Kristen Thompson this season, Beaubon. These are circus acts in a circus promo just having fun off to the side, basically.
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We've been arguing already about, can we even show the footage that you've collected that I have not even seen yet? And I don't know if legally we're allowed to, but we'll get to that, I guess. But like we're talking about blurring and voice modulating. And this is sensitive in a way that I did not presume when we assigned you this.
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I now am remembering how Giannis, you know, won All-Star MVP and decided to celebrate in the way that you are alluding to.
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And yet, none of this has to do with the promo that we're talking about, Amit. So this is his love of chicken in general, but what about how he's interacted with the incentives that we're dissecting?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
It's such ridiculous video that I'm overlooking the fact that Giannis just had a cell phone on the bench, by the way.
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But okay, so granted, fair. But in terms of his personal at-the-line performance, not as a spectator, right? Not as Marcin Gortat, but as somebody with something to lose or, in this case, win. How does he do?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
So now we're at the tabs open on now both of our computers. I'm trying to run through the research here that you've assembled for a term that you dropped on our audience as if anybody would know what the you're talking about. Yes. But chicken eligibility. Yeah.
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You've created a helpful graphic.
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Of course, of course I must agree with this.
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So just to over-explain this, CCR is the rate at which a player will miss a free throw with chicken on the line. Yes. And so Giannis Antetokounmpo, when it comes to his conversion rate, when he's chicken-eligible, I mean, is what?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
8 out of 10 times, Giannis is converting free chicken for the crowd.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Yeah, but he's also a bad free throw shooter, though.
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your enthusiasm to talk about bricking for chicken. Yeah. And the resistance you have faced around the sport that you know as well as anybody. Explain why you've been eager to talk about this for people who don't know what any of this even is.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Famously, people count down. Crowds are mocking him by pointing out how long he takes to shoot a free throw.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Even that guy you're saying becomes that much worse when there is this incentive at stake. It strains credulity.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
It strains my credulity that you know to pronounce credulity.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
But this is where I just need to continue to channel the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference and point out that the theater, and it is convincing theater, graphical theater, full of lots of terms. The theater you're giving us is kind of small sample size theater. Like I'm looking at the graph when you say 80% and I say eight out of 10, I mean, we're talking about 10 shots here.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
So you land in Phoenix, you land back home, and the Bucks are visiting. They're the road team. There is chicken in the air. But you want to go ask questions, journalistically responsible questions, of the person that we are theorizing about. How hard was that?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
He has a reputation, if you're not familiar with the reputation, that he doesn't, for all the videos we played, doesn't actually like giving time to us journalists.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
That was an episode of Severance. You're running down hallways that don't go anywhere.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
I mean, to clarify why the thing we alluded to before, we actually did need to do here, the doctoring, the voice modulating, the blurring of this secret video. Why is this so secret? Why aren't we seeing and hearing what you heard and saw?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
The question you asked, as soon as you articulate it, which we did hear, the implication becomes... Wait a minute, I should answer this very carefully and perhaps not at all.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
This is where, as I was hearing what was transpiring, I was like, Oh, so the Giannis that is the most vocal global ambassador for chicken in this regard is the exact opposite. Right. And the general, by the way, the flavor around even the champions of chicken. Like, I mean, it's worth pointing out too. Eventually... We here at Palo Torre Finds Out, we reached out to Marcin Gortat.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
And his response was what? How would you describe that?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Dot, dot, dot, gridded teeth emoji.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
So Giannis doesn't want to touch this. The people that we think would want to touch this actually do not at all. But there is a game that night. Yes. And so what happens when the ball is tipped?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
At his chicken party. Yep. Is back.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
I mean, again, rational brain wants to enter the conversation, okay? So as much as it's a signal that something that is total proof of your theory is happening, I mean, like, that was a two... I'm looking at the score. That was a two-point game. The Bucs badly needed this. The whole theory that Giannis is being incentivized because of his love of chicken and because of his love of...
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
frankly, humanity, the theory that he's doing this on purpose, I mean, again, they need these wins. I mean, why? Why would he do this?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Wait, you're saying that Giannis Antetokounmpo has been using chicken the way Elon Musk has been using money to win elections?
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
It is a shock. I did not realize that. That is actually quite shocking.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
He's campaigning across the aisle.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
We're now, we're firmly in the realm of trying to climb into the mind of someone who does not want us to see inside.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
I mean, I guess I can totally believe that you have dragged me to this point, but it's time for us to make one more call.
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So the very first thing that you need to know about the guy I'm about to call here is that he is Giannis' older brother. One of five Anadokumbo brothers in all, four of whom, by the way, have made the NBA, which is its own incredible story. But Thanasis Anadokumbo, crucially, is the only Anadokumbo brother to have played alongside Giannis.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Thanasis was a third stringer when they won a title together in Milwaukee in 2021. And the two are so close to this day that Thanasis still lives and works in Milwaukee right alongside Giannis, whom he calls his best friend and his partner.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
And so while Thanasis' two-time MVP winning brother would not take a call from Pablo Torre finds out, most especially during these ongoing NBA playoffs, Thanasis, I was told, actually would. Because Thanasis and I also happen to share something very important in common. An incredible affection for the truth.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
And this is a lesson, it turns out, that Thanasis has been heeding at home with Giannis and in locker rooms around the NBA, and also now on his own podcast, which he titled Thanalysis, which is, you know, a pretty good name. Gotta admit. And so at this point, I just decided to ask Thanasis straight up about the truth behind Brickin' for Chicken.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Which you may now recall from earlier in this episode with Amin, when we talked about that game where Giannis somehow had a cell phone on the bench, was trying to scan that QR code off the Jumbotron to get free chicken alongside everybody else in the building. And this memory got the Nasses thinking about a different game, actually, from a few years ago in Atlanta.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Was any part of you, Thanasis, if you were aware, if you were aware of the free food you could have given that city, is there any part of you that was like, man, I wonder what it would feel like if I missed the second one.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Well, this is the thing I'm fascinated by is that the crowd is trying to root you on, but the opposite, right? They're actively trying to get you to miss because the free food thing is a magical lure. What I'm curious about is whether you're aware of how much free chicken your brother Giannis has won people around the NBA.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
This is the funny thing, okay? In the past two NBA seasons, Giannis has had 10 chicken-eligible free throws. Okay. Okay? So this is the second crucial free throw with chicken on the line. We call them chicken-eligible free throws. Okay. And he's had 10 of them, and he has missed eight of them.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
He is the league leader in chicken eligible conversion rate. No one has given the NBA more free chicken in that way than your brother. He is the Robin Hood leader. Of free chicken.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
What's just funny is that, like, the love you get, though. So we went through and just watched what it's like when you miss the second free throw. And you do, when your brother does, what you refuse to do because you sank that second one. Man, it is like they would have voted him for president. Yeah. It's an amazing thing.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
We're living in crazy times, man. That doesn't really matter anymore. We can do whatever we want. But here's the funny thing. I am now curious. Do you think there's any part of your brother in his mind, deep in his brain, that is hearing the applause and is thinking to himself, Maybe I should just miss the second one.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
The statistic I have to follow up on that, though, to continue this investigation, is that we also tracked...
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yannis's free throw percentage when it came to other types of food that were on the line and promotions okay so the non-chicken foods okay non-chicken food eligible free throws over the past two seasons yeah with non-chicken eligible shots he made five of eight out of eight he doesn't want to give people bad product he won't he only wants to give him
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
I don't think there's a bigger truth you could tell, Thaddeus, than what you just said.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
Thanasis Adedokumbo, a true truth teller. Thank you for solving a mystery that I can now finally have some peace about. Put the rest, okay? Man, thank you so much. Thank you. Anytime. And at this point, there's only one thing for us left to do. it was time to summon our intrepid correspondent back into our studio for a piece of something else.
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I felt that in Mike Breen's loins, by the way.
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So Amin Alhassan, I just have one last thing to tell you, which is that thank you for not bricking this assignment. And as your reward, We got chicken.
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Yeah, the least shocking twist of this story is that both of us, honestly, are f***ing starving. Bones? Mm-hmm. Ooh. Honestly, yeah. Flavorful. I get it.
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Sometimes all we got to do is say thanks.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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So the argument you are making here is that Brickin' for Chicken is changing meaningfully the course of basketball games in a way that has even exceeded the whole novelty, marketing, sponsorship kind of design of it.
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Clearly. The cliff that the heat fall off is directly overlaid onto the moment when Chicken was up for grabs.
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Business nirvana for the NBA. Also, I am told reliably, a business nightmare for Meadowlark Media, which has funded, truly, a new high when it comes to the we-paid-a-mean-what-to-investigate-what-the-fuck graph.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a risk that I was expecting to have. Didn't expect it to get this dangerous this quickly, though.
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So this is a, in other words, psychology experiment that we're watching play out. And I want to get into the minds of the players. I mean, you promised me entree into the psychology of NBA players who have all of this at stake. But in terms of how this stunt originated, where does that begin?
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Which is a hard thing to do over 43 years when you're selling the Washington Wizards.
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Fowl Shots: We Investigated an NBA Conspiracy
No matter what. Where the business side, where the basketball of the Wizards lose side is protected. And also the Chick-fil-A side gets what they want.
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It's funny just to remember how, like, golf works. Mm-hmm. and golfers hate when the crowd is interfering with their rituals, how their sport has always operated. How did the NBA react to, yeah, a bold stunt like this?
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Did Martin Gortat actually get the chicken he was promised?
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Let me just close out all the windows on my computer. How many tabs do you have open on a given day? Eight billion. Eight billion. I don't know.
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We'll come back to that a little later. So I do want to point out something about pro athletes, which is, yes, all of them can afford lots of Chick-fil-A. Yes. But there is something about watching a Polish-born NBA player with, like, a Zangief Mohawk just, like, enter into a room in America full of free chicken that feels like kind of the dream he was promised.
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Yeah, the old let's just throw all my laundry in a different room. When your tabs look like LeBron James' Instagram stories after he wins a championship, it's time to acknowledge you have a problem.
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He has a new nickname. He has a new identity that I now will think of every time I think of Colby Jones.
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Hold on. So you are alleging that these NBA guys, because of this incentive structure with free chicken, are betraying their franchise by taking... free chicken and giving them to the people.
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I can't believe you've been on this assignment for us, that your life is like this, by the way.
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Okay. Now, in the case that I know you are trying to build, there is clearly also just some guys trying to spin their own failures into something positive that they can then, you know, make jokes about.
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I thought you might say that you thought that I might say that.
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actually did very clearly say, I'm gonna miss this and then missed it.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Right. Their silence spoke volumes on the college level. And in the prose...
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
I imagine maybe they saw this happen also in Green Bay at Lambeau, where a fan got tackled, again trying to...
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Packers PR, I imagine, not loving this either.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
So the building policy understood they don't want this to happen. But citing the law in Wisconsin raises that question of is this illegal in that state and also across the country?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ich werde lachen, wenn ich denke, wir werden zu einem Zeitpunkt verdehrt.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Right. It's their choice to say in the face of this oncoming avalanche, no. Und also in Bezug auf das, wann dieser Trend wirklich aufgehört hat, wissen wir historisch, wann die Kremation und Personalisierung und dieses ganze Ding wirklich zu etwas kam, was ein Boom wurde?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Aber weil das alles gegen die Regeln ist, Es fühlt sich in einer Art rebellierend an. Ist sie sich mit diesem spezifischen Phänomen, dieser Dynamik, kennengelernt?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ja, es passiert mir, dass wir in einer Zeit leben, in der Menschen über die Verlängerung der Gemeinschaftsräume, die Sekularisierung von Amerika, die Verlängerung der Religiosität wehren. Aber das, was niemand von einer Marktperspektive und einer Popularitätsperspektive beantwortet, ist Sport. Und vor der Pandemie besonders.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Es fühlt sich an, als ob eine Arena voller Menschen unser Haus der Glauben ist. Es hat sich eigentlich nie mehr speziell gefühlt.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ja, das ist, wo ich mich einfach auf Dr. Dowdy zurückdrücken möchte, weil ich denke, dass die Resilienz eines schmerzhaften Jet-Cowboy-Sportfans, der verliert, fast nie in der Weise ihres echten Liebes kommt, in der Weise, wie man es logisch denken könnte. Ja, das Schmerzen ist das, was die Glauben bezeichnet.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Aber das ist, weshalb ich frustriert bin, diese Plätze zu hören, diese Kathedrale zu sagen, eigentlich zu ihren am liebsten gewohnten Beteiligten, wir wollen nicht, dass du deine Verliebten in dieser Form hier bringst. Das scheint ein riesiger Verrückter zu sein, wenn es um die Regeln geht.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Von Tribut. Wie würde es aussehen, wenn du die Ryan Clarks der Welt verabschiedet hättest, anstatt sie zu verabschieden?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
So what cathedral in Florida, Phlegm, agrees with our sensibility here, if Pablo Torre finds out?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Und diese Strecke in Sebring, Florida, ist die älteste Strecke für Road Racing in Amerika. Aber alle Art von Rennen sind dort gehalten und haben sie seit Jahrhunderten gehalten.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Yes.
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Und natürlich haben wir dich angemeldet, nach Florida zu gehen.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Wer bist du da, um mich zu treffen?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Richtig, bis zu einem klimatischen Pratt-Fall. Oder würde es ein Pratt-Fall sein? But of course, because we are a show based on journalism, you got to know Ryan yourself.
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So as we're watching Edna stand on the track with you, whose idea was it to scatter Ron's ashes across the track?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
And to be clear, we are honored that she allowed us to be there for it.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ja, und ich möchte auch klar machen, dass eine meiner echten Freude an diesem Show ist es, Menschen in die Welt zu senden, du oft im Spezifischen. Und dann endlich herauszufinden, was diese religiöse, tiefen Zeremonie für Edna und Ron war. Und ich habe also noch nie dieses Video gesehen. Also, lass uns spielen. Schönes blaues Meer. Edna in der Rückseite eines Konvertibles?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Und auch überall, glaube ich.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Oh, ja. Ron ist omnipräsent. Ja, sie öffnet den Zip-Lock. Ist Kremation selten auch eine Freizeitfahrt?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Well, it's absurd and it's beautiful and it is, of course, deeply serious. It's also lighthearted and something we can celebrate as we marvel upon the ridiculous... was es bedeutet, ein Mensch zu sein.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ja, Ron wird ein Teil davon sein. Ein Teil von Edna. Und definitiv auch in der Hütte, glaube ich. Aufgrund der statistischen Distribution von dem, was ich da gesehen habe.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ich kann es nicht genug sagen. Danke, Edna, dass wir Ron mit ihr feiern. Es erinnert mich an das, mit dem wir die Geschichte begonnen haben. Ryan ist ein tiefer Hockey-Fan, der nicht das gleiche Willkommensmatt für ihn gelegt hat, als er versucht hat, das für seinen Liebsten zu tun.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Okay, so now we're back in Colorado, Phlegm, with the story of Ryan Clark and his best friend, Kyle Stark. And you mentioned that this was not the end for Ryan, his banning from his favorite building for the rest of that season. So... What the f*** happened?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Right. The reception, terrible. Yeah. The sentiment, crystal clear.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Er ist zuhause, die ganzen Spiele zu sehen. Er kann die Strecke nicht beurteilen, weil er gebannt wurde.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Es ist schwer zu enttäuschen, den Effekt von Kyle Stark.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Wir hören zu Ryan, noch einer Person in diesem Episode, die emotional in einem Auto ist. Zelebriert, was sein Team, ihr Team, ausgelöst hat, dank seines besten Freundes.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Er kann zurück in das Gebäude, wo sein Lieblingsteam spielt. Und wenn er jetzt da ist, denke ich, dass sich all das fühlt,
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Und ich habe mich am Ende dieses Episodes über diese Frage gefragt, als Kyle sagte... Ich habe gesagt, wer ist derjenige, der das für mich tun kann? Die größte Frage in diesem Episodem, vielleicht.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Dave Fleming, I have never doubted your sincerity on these assignments, and I already, whenever it needs to be, long into the future, I am ready to
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
I just love that he's recording from like half an inch away from his face.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Aber in Bezug auf das, was Ryan auf den Berichten erhielt, Ihn, der Kyle's Ashes auf dem Eis in ihrem Lieblingsgebiet in der Welt verteilt. Ich schätze, es gibt einige Verletzungen, vielleicht sogar kriminelle Gefühle, wenn es sich darum handelt, was dir passieren könnte, wenn du das tust.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
The Avalanche hostet die Toronto Maple Leafs.
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Das ist nicht ganz subtil.
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Bis die Zamboni. I just want to make this clear.
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He was integrated into the playing surface.
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But what happens after this sequence of events? What happens to Ryan?
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Man.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Right. Right. But after Ryan is escorted out of the building and he is banned for the rest of the season, and he's watching these games from home, where he is forced to be, what is going through his mind?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
So this is going to be a local news story at first. And I promise that as with every story we have Dave Fleming do for us. Thank you for being here, by the way. My pleasure. It gets big and grandiose and cosmic and profound and stupid and smart and all of that. But this is in the tradition of your study of fandom that began arguably on death row in Texas.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
And the thing that makes Ryan's story a story for us in this special way is that it becomes very clear, Phlegm, as we assign you to look into this story. While Ryan Clark is still searching for his own caretaker in this regard, there are so many other Ryan Clarks.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
I do want to establish, Phlegm, that there are other ways to celebrate your lifelong devotion to a sports team that also involve death and death rituals that aren't quite as dangerous, it seems, as spreading your ashes unilaterally in a special operation.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Strong disagree. This place is great. I am on now. Extraholes.com. It says, since the game began, golfers have long spent eternity on the golf course. We've made that possible. You hit the ball and, spoiler alert, the ball bursts into, quote, several pieces, releasing the ashes into the air for a short distance before settling softly onto the ground.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
So this is not quite the long drive competition. Or maybe it is, in fact, the longest drive in a certain sense. You are, again, integrated into the surface. Und wenn Sie sich fragen, ist es 350 Dollar für ein Dutzend Balls. Und so, weißt du, gibt es eine Marktflamme. Eine Marktflamme für diese Art von Sachen.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Our episode last year, which was singular in the genre. But this is ridiculous in its own right.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ja, in Alabama war die Nummer eins eigentlich Talladega Super Speedway. Das hat mich überrascht. Ich weiß, ich bin so... Brian Denny ist genau da. Ja. Aber bemerkt, Massachusetts, Fenway, North Dakota, das Alaris-Center, wo die Universität North Dakota Fußballteam ihre Spiele spielt. Und Kremation, übrigens, wussten Sie auch nicht, dass Sie das durch Ihre Forschung herausfinden?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Wir leben durch peak-Kremation, Flav.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Ja, all that research, of course, provided by the NFDA, which we all know is the National Funeral Directors Association. Of course. Which raises the question of these sports venues, right? The places that Ryan Clark, for instance, had a great interest in. How do they feel about this trend?
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Yes. It's Denver. It's a couple years ago. And it's a news story that starts like this.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Richtig, eine Salzbremse, im Grunde.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Was bedeutet, dass dann die Grundschützer diese Sachen aufbauen müssen. Ich kann mir pragmatisch vorstellen, dass das faszinierend ist.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Three yards and a cloud of grandpa.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
We really did just name it.
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Three Yards and a Cloud of Grandpa: We Helped Scatter the Ashes of a Die-Hard Fan
Genau. Also, was wir sagen, ist, Sport ist nie mehr monokulturell. Es ist die einzige große Tente in amerikanischer Leben. Wir sagen das immer auf diesem Show. Und sie sind jetzt über Copycats beschäftigt. Leute, die in der Tat neue Geschichten sehen, wie die, die wir gespielt haben. Ja. Zum Beispiel geht es jetzt zum Fußball. In dem vorgeschlagenen Fenway Park.
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The Show, the Voice and Grandpa: A PTFO Surprise
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Bellinger, trying to throw it in.
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The Show, the Voice and Grandpa: A PTFO Surprise
Should we start playing maybe? So this is not a competitive game. Can this be a tour? You take me, Kim, on a tour of your world.
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All right, so while all of this is happening in our studio, I do need to reveal to you what 86-year-old Kim Soriano does not know as the two of us sit here wearing headphones, which is that behind the reflective darkened glass of the PTFO studio, where my producers normally sit,
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is John Boog Shambi, the voice of Kim's favorite thing in the entire world and the man who is going to surprise him in real life when Boog walks into the studio to join us. But before any of that can happen,
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What I've asked Boog to do, in his capacity as guy who calls games for the Chicago Cubs on television, as well as the World Series for ESPN Radio, in addition to the hundreds of hours of prerecorded voice work he does for MLB The Show, is to do something similar.
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The Show, the Voice and Grandpa: A PTFO Surprise
But something I did not realize at all when we set up this whole prank slash experiment is that Kim Soriano, perhaps predictably, in retrospect, has a lot of opinions about Boog's line of work.
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You're saying that when you play the game, it all feels like that damn voice just keeps on saying the same shit over and over again. Is the announcer, though, a good announcer in your view?
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I know, because you've heard them all.
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But what we've already done here that the internet's favorite sports grandpa does not yet realize, but his grandson Matt does, is go into the game's manual settings. Not to injure any players, but to manually mute the show's announcing team of play-by-play man John Boog-Shiambi and color guy and former MLB outfielder Chris Singleton.
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I like me. For those not watching on YouTube, Boog is just gazing at his own reflection. That's right. Look, we though, as a show, had you do some, I would say, credibility imperiling things the last time you were on.
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all together, which would allow the real Boog behind the glass to do play-by-play of our virtual Yankees-Cubs game live into the headphones that Matt's grandpa and I are both wearing in studio. At least until Kim notices.
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Yeah. Yeah, so I'm going to throw you some heat. Spoiler alert.
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I'm not going to lie to you, Kim. I don't really know what I'm doing. And I now understand why you only hit.
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Oh, you're mad that the rosters on this one haven't updated.
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I feel old these days, but not so old that a literal grandpa explaining how video games works to me isn't deeply confidence-shaking.
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Let go of the baseball, Pablo.
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This whole thing. By the way, the announcers?
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Yeah, because he has double tennis elbow, obviously.
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Because he has the double elbow tendonitis.
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So I believe that, okay, so in this case.
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You're pitching, so do you want to hit? Do you want to?
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So we're switching controllers because Kim refuses as a permanent DH in video games. You are going to hit, and I'm going to now pitch.
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Honestly, like, the repetitiveness of the announcers, this guy's on top of it.
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It hits off the ivy. Bellinger trying to throw it in. Let go of the baseball, Pablo.
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Isn't this game... That doesn't happen for you?
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Michael Bush at the plate now.
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That's... I don't know. And Bush takes a strike. Wait, you're saying you've played this game this often and that's not happened yet?
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Swing and a ball driven. Right field. Towards the corner. Slicing. Fair ball. That's going to get into the corner. And Velociraptor is on his horse. On his way to third. Velociraptor. They're going to send him. Soto trying to dig it out. Velociraptor on his way to the plate. And save. Ball game. Cubs win. Pablo Torre the hero as he knocks in Velociraptor.
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So, in other words, Shambi, you're like, that guy's cool. It's Singleton where you're just like, come on.
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Golden opportunity for the Cubs. He's the color guy. And, yeah, so... And... What the... That's all right. That's a violation.
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Do you miss Chris Singleton? Do you miss Chris Singleton? What about John Shamby?
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Can you move your chair from the other side of the glass?
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So, surprise. Huh? I said surprise.
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I agree. Part of me, Kim, feels very bad for what we perpetrated on you.
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The other part of me could not be happier. So while Boog has stepped out to grab his iPad and his own meticulously kept scorecards from the 2024 World Series when the Dodgers beat the Yankees in, you know, our actual timeline, which is parallel to the virtual timeline where Kim Soriano's virtual Yankees made the World Series for the first time in their history,
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I do just need to jump in here to clarify that I am not quite sure if our starstruck and pitching-averse and 86-year-old grandpa totally understood what had just happened to him here in the Pablo Torre Finds Out studio. And who could blame him? What we've just done, um... You're now... I'm sorry. I'm sorry that we just... That what? We played an entirely fake... Fake?
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We did assemble a writer's room. And then I got credit for it. But it was really the guy who wrote, you know, The Office and Parks and Rec and whatever. So ridiculous. And wonderful. And a credit, truly, to the credibility of... As I always say, the best voice in baseball, the best voice in announcing the guy with a Stradivarius in his diaphragm.
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So Boog was announcing that game.
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From the other side of the glass.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Oh my God. I mean, just, just, just the, there are a couple of moments when he personally mentioned my name where I was like, Boog, you are flying way too close to the sun right now. He's going to find out.
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I was going to say, you would be the one person on earth to note that this does not typically happen in this video game. And you did notice that. But you were very polite. You were very polite.
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He's going to come sit with us. He's got the best voice in baseball.
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Yes. Boog is... is an old friend of mine.
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So you, so Kim was asking, why are you here? And I feel like that's a reasonable question. It is a reasonable question, yes. Given that you just appeared out of the LED screen in my studio.
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So in real life, so today, Boog was on the other side of the glass. Yeah.
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And the thing that I didn't talk to you enough about last time that I was confronted by on the internet was the work you do in video games. The video game boog is known to a whole universe that I think I've aged out of because I'm not, because of Violet being her age and me being too busy to have fun anymore, I'm less fluent in the world that you are also the voice of. MLB the show.
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I just like that what I planned to be truly a... I had no idea how this was going to go. What I underestimated was how Kim had the most developed perspective of anybody into how many combinations of words your pre-recorded voice could fit into.
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Look at the AI, man. Crazy times.
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You know, they're robots. Am I a robot right now, Kim? Hard to tell, you know?
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Can I ask you just what made you pick up the game in the first place and say, this is how I'm going to spend the next, at this point, 20 years?
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And how long did it take you for you to fall in love with this game? Immediately.
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When the season ends, when your season ends for you.
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Right. So have you ever considered playing more games in between? No.
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Before we say thank you and let you go, Kim, free you from the psychological experiment that you've unwittingly entered into, thanks to your accomplice of a grandson. Do you have anything you want to tell Boog at the end here? Do you have any last thoughts about this thing that you love, that he happens to be the voice of? I just hope it continues forever.
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I am confident that in the great beyond... We can get Boog to, you know, just be on the side of the glass, maybe.
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I cannot tell you how delightful it is for this entire thing to have just happened in front of me.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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How do you feel that? How does that sort of like, make itself known to you.
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People play this thing a lot. Yes. And so the idea that, A, someone in baseball is doing the thing that baseball has always been anxious about, which is reaching out and converting, converting, baptizing young people.
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Yeah. You get to feel that, and you're the voice of that. But then there's a video that I saw recently. This is the reason why I brought you in the studio today. I know. Because the video is not this, actually. It is... Arguably the opposite.
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I didn't know that was possible or a thing anybody wanted to do. But, of course, When you are, apparently, an 86-year-old gentleman whose grandson has decided to actually share with the world the thing that he's been seeing his grandfather doing, apparently, for 20 years. It's Aaron Judge now.
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Amazing. Because it's 2025 now. And that's true that you can play a video game at age 86 for 20 or so years and play and score it as if it's a real game. That this is the thing that the internet agreed, like, we must celebrate. People need to know that this guy is out here. Merging the two worlds, virtual and real, in a way that my mind was blown upon learning of this man and his passion.
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I mean, this is, you know, it's not like we... Analog and digital have rarely been so interwoven. Holy cow. And so I have an idea, and I just need you to be willing to imperil your credibility again. Sure. Because this 86-year-old man, and say grandson, may or may not be on their way here. Really? And you may or may not need to be the voice of the very thing that I have been talking about. Really?
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You're going to need to do something that I have full confidence your ability to do. Okay. Which is...
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Sir. Hello. Hello, how are you? Oh, the pleasure's all mine. Call me Kim, Kim. Kim? Kim. Kim, okay.
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That's not my real name, but... Wait a minute, what do you mean it's not your real name?
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So I was going to say, any relation to... No. Alfonso.
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So this is New Jersey's own Kim Soriano, the 86-year-old from the viral video, which has been shared now and viewed well over a million times across TikTok and Instagram and all these other platforms. And what Kim proved to be as soon as I met him is a real character. because, yeah, I just met him right then when I walked into our studio in that scene you just heard. He was sitting at my desk.
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Boog Shambi, thank you for being here, sitting in that chair, by the way. Love being in this chair. It's really good to have you back. I've been trying ever since we had you on the show last. I've been trying to speak from the bottom of my... Yeah, from your diaphragm.
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My mic wasn't even on yet. But what caught my attention even more immediately was the binder that Kim brought with him. Because what Kim's grandson, Matt, had told us is that his grandpa has not only been playing MLB The Show, as the Yankees, his favorite team,
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but also he's been scoring the 162 games he has been playing on the video game every season over two decades now, meaning that Kim is logging the unfolding details of a virtual video game by hand as if he himself is also sitting in the stands or at home watching a real game, which sounds crazy, obviously.
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The internet's favorite sports grandpa is basically merging a beloved analog ritual, which Bookshyambi, by the way, also does for every real-life game that he calls in the booth, with the video game world. And Kim's binder, which is now sitting here atop our desk, is the unambiguously earnest proof, which does make me feel a little guilty about what I'm about to do.
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So the book you have brought with you in studio today, can you describe it for people who may just be listening to us?
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What does it look like? What does it say on the front cover?
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Yeah, this blue binder opened up, yeah.
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So when does this start when the game comes out? You get 182 copies ready for the new release of every game?
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And will you play one game per day matching the real-life schedule?
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Oh, my God. So you've been living a parallel Yankees season as this season has been unfolding.
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Does Giancarlo Stanton also have double tennis elbow in your universe, in your timeline?
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Yeah, I got blisters on my fingers as a wise man once.
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And in your case, because you, like me, we're both Yankee fans, you're living a parallel Yankee season that I have to imagine is better than what we've been experiencing in real life so far. Yes. How are you guys doing in your timeline?
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So what you're saying is that sometimes the video game in real life, they sometimes match up, even interact. Maybe the streams cross every now and again.
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This has gotten a little spooky, Kim. You may have more power in your controller and these thumbs than I realized.
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I'm getting a sense of how much you use this video game where you can do anything as truly like a simulation of something like your actual lived experience here on this version of Planet Earth.
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You think you would have covered first like Garrett Cole? No, I don't think so. Yeah, can't get on him for that one. That still haunts me, by the way. I was at game five at the stadium.
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World Series. Yeah, I was there.
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Yeah, I paid money off a stub hub to attend. Well, he's out for the year, so. Yeah, I know. I'm not giving him a break, though.
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You'll take a digital crowbar, take them out back.
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That is sadistic, Kim. And I didn't realize that was possible.
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Oh, you're taking a slip of paper from your blue binder?
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Oh, you have instructions you've written down on a torn off scrap of paper.
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Do you feel like a god when you do that? Do you feel like you're in control of everything when you do that? It just feels like an intoxicating power to manually injure.
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I haven't played this game in probably 15 years.
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And you've been playing it every season 182-ish times a year. 82-ish, yeah. Because the Yankees are making the postseason.
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Yeah. You're smiling with the confidence of a Yankee fan in the playoffs.
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This is an honest suffering you signed up for. Does it hurt to not make and win the World Series? You know, probably at times, yeah. I feel like you live, you are carrying and feeling the marathon that is the baseball season in a way that no video game player is actually signing up for. No one else is doing this.
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It's – He ruined everything.
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Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot going on. What's the word you said? Metaphysical? Cosmological? Yeah. There's a lot of that going on.
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So going region by region here in the West, you know, again, once again, we're skipping all the single digit seeds. We're here just to talk about the University of Nebraska at Omaha and their first NCAA tournament, the 15 seed.
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What I love about this team is that in December, when they were, I believe, four and nine, their team started a tradition of just beating the crap out of a trash can in the locker room before the games. And it worked. They were the best team in the Summit League. They won the conference. They made the NCAA tournament. They got the bid. And I think this is great strategy.
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First of all, they really go at these trash cans.
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Yeah, they really go at these trash cans. I saw a video where one of the guys jumps off, like, a fridge onto it and does, like, a wrestling move, and he's, like, a player on the team, and I was like, that seems like a lot of, like, a little risky move just to beat up a trash can.
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I'm not sure if it's a BYO situation where they're at like a road game. They're going to destroy your team's trash can purchase.
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I'm not sure how they are handling the logistics of the NCAA tournament. You know, they're all going to neutral sites.
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So like I was saying, they were four and nine and the assistant coach decided to do it as a motivational tool. And people are like, it turned around their season after that point. I think the actual thing that turned around their season is just that they had a really hard non-conference schedule before. And they were a pretty good team in the Summit League.
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And then they started conference play and they started winning. So like incredible job by that assistant coach to realize the perfect time to deploy your motivational tactic is when your team has just played like Iowa State and I think like Minnesota and some other, you know,
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big non-conference teams and then the rest of your your season is is against uh south dakota south dakota state north dakota north dakota state st thomas um so smart thinking by him i also there was a quote by i was reading one of the stories about the trash can situation and he said he confirmed that none of the trash cans they beat up have mothers and fathers they're all Orphaned?
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I'm not sure what his point was there.
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I think he was trying to say like there's no one feeling bad on their behalf, but that somehow made it sadder to me.
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The trash cans thought they were safe for a few years because the Astros really made it seem like that was an uncool thing to do. And now everyone's beating it. And what I really liked when they won the Summit League tournament, the— I'm not sure how this fits into the mythology of it, but they were presented the trophy out of a trash can. They hoisted it out of there, which was really beautiful.
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And you know something? Every time when I saw her at both the Big East and the ACC, both times I was like, this is incredible. This is better than the basketball.
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They seemed pretty chill with that one.
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Of the teams in this region, the one that I love the most is the Akron Zips. I have come in my Akron Zips t-shirt.
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Are you familiar? Do you know the mascot? Do you know the mascot of the Akron Zips?
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There's a kangaroo, correct? And do you know any other details?
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You know Zip about them? Jesus Christ. I didn't plan that. I'm just really funny.
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Akron primarily produces two things, rubber and LeBron James. And at some point in the 1920s or 30s, The rubber companies also produce zippers. And like this is like this was like new technology at the time. Zippers are kind of one of those things that I assumed had been around for hundreds of years.
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You know, he's trying to steal her thunder.
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But like you watch like movies set in the 1800s and they all have like elaborate buckles and stuff. They're not right. Like there aren't zippers there. Like we invented zippers at some point. It was new technology and the people in Akron were very excited about it so much so.
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And I think it's associated with the rubber, like they were making rubber shoes with zippers on them or something like that.
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Which is separate from Goodyear, which is also a tire company based in Akron, Ohio. And they have the Goodyear blimp there. I flew in the Goodyear blimp. I'm getting off topic here. When I was in Akron, they let me fly in the Goodyear blimp wearing this t-shirt. Of course they did. Anyway, so they named the team the Zippers. Yeah. later shortened to Zips to celebrate Akron's zippers.
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And they were like, what mascot do we have that we can, you know, signify the zipper? So they decided to make a kangaroo with a pouch with a zipper on it. Which, this pouch does not seem... I don't see a zipper. But originally, the pouch was zipped, you know, keep your babies from falling out, etc. But here's what I think is great about this. Only female kangaroos have pouches. Yes.
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Male kangaroos do not. So they were, I believe, one of two Division I schools whose mascot is explicitly female. The other being the Delaware Blue Hens. Yes. But which, you know, there's so many Gamecocks and Roosters, and the default is to make your mascot a guy, even if it's...
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And North Carolina has some balls. Giant balls. Huge balls. As established. Just big old balls.
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I believe so. I know that Akron is the only one in FBS football, like of the top tier. I'm pretty confident there are no other explicitly female mascots out there.
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Normally, when a school has a mascot, it's either male or, like, at some cases, like, Florida, they will have, like, or NC State, they have the male and the female mascot, and there's always a really weird, like, dynamic.
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Baylor has a male and a lady. Like, so, and they have to signify that one of them is male. And that one is just like a default version of the animal. Like Albert the gator just looks like an alligator walking on two legs. Mr. Wolf just looks like a wolf walking on two legs. And then the female version, like they always have lipstick. Yes. Which is not actually a thing that you put on animals.
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Yes, yes, yes. And they're always either like, there's always like a weird backstory where they're like either married or siblings. Yeah.
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But I'm just glad that Akron, when they came up with this mascot in the 40s and 50s, were laying out, you know, a vision for female sports fandom, that you can be a lady kangaroo, and they didn't lipstick her up or put her in weird clothing. Right, I wouldn't even know. You wouldn't even know. It's just, there's not that many differences in the wild between... Although she is gyrating.
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Are you saying that that's... I've seen some male mascots gyrate.
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You into the kangaroo, Papa? I'm just saying.
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The lady bears. The lady volunteers. The lady vols, the lady cocks. Wait, is it really the lady cocks? No, they go by game cocks, but there's merch that says lady cocks. People say lady cocks. That's pretty cool. I should probably buy one of those. Yeah, I was going to say that. That sounds popular. I would definitely buy one.
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The really weird one for me is that Central Arkansas, the team names are the Bears and the Sugar Bears.
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And Akron avoids all of these concerns by just being like, yeah, we're the Zips. Yeah, she's carrying babies in her pouch. She doesn't care. She loves our teams, our 1-11 football team and our extremely successful men's basketball and men's soccer teams.
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Absolutely. Go Zips. I've been on the Goodyear blimp. I will support Akron until the day I die.
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I'd like to hone in on the UC San Diego Tritons. First of all, actually a good team. Like, I'm not trying to take away from Akron or Uno. They're like top 40 on Ken Palm. They should not be a 12 seed. They have the guy who leads the nation in steals. They're like two-point underdogs against Michigan as a 12 seed. So that's the basketball talk. This is their first tournament.
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as the course I saw him last year and I tweeted about it and I was like for a second I thought it was just a guy doing like gymnastics by himself and then the Chihuahua came out and I was pumped and he he replied like yeah this is my life like no one is there for me everyone's here for the Chihuahua
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It's their first year of eligibility since they transferred up from Division II. Both the men's and the women's teams made it into the tournament.
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They were D2 four seasons ago. And when you transfer up from Division II to Division I, you have to take four years off. And they were not allowed to play in the NCAA tournament. This year they are. They were incredible. And they are the Tritons.
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The reason they're named that is because UC San Diego, it's a pretty good school there, hosts to the Scripps Institute of Oceanography, Oceanographic Institute, that has made a ton of climate change discoveries. They wanted to honor that, and also it's San Diego. It's on the beach. They have water and stuff. So they're the Tritons. Their mascot is King Triton. He's the god of the seas.
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He's a guy wearing a, you know, I don't know why Poseidon and Triton are pictured wearing, like, the same things that Greek people on land did because, like, you'd think the robes, like, the togas would be not very useful underwater.
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The mascot looks the same, like their costume mascot looks almost identical to the Little Mermaid version of Triton. A five crown cap and he's holding a trident, which in the Little Mermaid like shoots out like fire and destroy stuff. Right. But the mascot unclear whether or not he can do that.
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Yeah, that's... I'm on his side. Like, he was a little bit over the top, but, like, first of all, humans are bad is, like, a pretty solid take.
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And, like, his 16-year-old daughter is gonna go marry some, like, the only human being she's ever seen before. Like, she's 16 and she's going to cut off her tail and have legs.
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Yeah, he's overrated. He's selfish.
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And he's very reasonably like, chill out. Don't, like, go to the surface where you can't breathe. Can she breathe?
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That is the most... There are some problematic relationships in Disney movies, but... Prince likely of adult age with 16-year-old non-talking mermaid. That's really bad.
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Do you feel like they did a good job with the four regions of our country being East, South, West, and Midwest? Like, we never talk about, like, the North, but I think that's what they're trying to get. Anyway, I'm thinking too much about the regions.
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My favorite player in the NCAA tournament is in this bracket. He is not likely to win, nor is he likely to be successful at the thing which drew me to him. I'm talking about Wofford's Tyler Filowich. Center led the conference in rebounding and field goal percentage, last place in the conference in free throw percentage.
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28 at the time. He decided to switch from overhand regular free throws, at which he was shooting 28%, to underhanded, commonly referred to as granny-style free throws. Although, I'm not sure how that name, I've never seen any grandmothers play basketball.
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He's a big boy. He's a center. He dominates in the paint. So this is like, he was shooting 28%. Someone on his coaching staff had a connection with Rick Barry, the NBA Hall of Famer.
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The underhanded free throw, whose sons, some of his sons shot underhanded. He shot like 90% for his career. He flew to South Carolina. to teach our guy Kyler here how to shoot underhanded free throws. He switched in February. It's the last season of his career. He's a fifth-year senior. This is his time to shine. It's now or never. He switches to underhanded free throws.
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The ending of the story that you've written in your head.
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And the story that you probably cooked up in your head is that he switched and he's good at it. He's not. He still sucks at shooting free throws. He's shooting 35% from the line since he switched to underhand.
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It's an improvement. In the SOCON tournament, in the first two games, he shot one for five and then one for five again. He's really just kind of hucking it off the backboard there. It's so inspiring to watch him go out there having dedicated so much effort to this thing that can change this last moment of his career.
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Everyone is yelling at him from the stands, calling him names, telling him he shouldn't be doing this. And he's still bad at it and he still persists. And he made it to the NCAA tournament. And this is what this moment is all about. These teams from all across the country, which are trying weird things, and some of them aren't even that good at them. And they have this one day.
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to beat a better team, and sometimes that weird thing they do works, and we remember them forever, and sometimes it doesn't, and we just move on. It's just, you don't see this in any other league where you see the Giants and these people trying to figure out how to play basketball for the first time.
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You're right. The NBA, everyone has figured out how to play basketball.
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The teams, the shooting forms, the teams have the same. I'm not saying it's bad. They're very good at basketball. They're extremely good at it. The product is probably generally more entertaining. I'm fine saying that even as a college basketball fan. The thing that's great about college basketball is you have these 360 teams. Some of them are playing like one, three, one zones.
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And sometimes that works. Sometimes it doesn't. Some of them have guys who do not know how to shoot free throws. And then you throw them all in this one tournament and you see what happens. And sometimes the weird stuff works. Sometimes the better team wins. And this is what March is all about. And I'm a little bit emotional for our boy Kyler.
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You know who I've seen in recent weeks who is definitely at multiple tournaments? There's a woman who does jump ropes, and on the other end of the jump rope is a dog, and then jumping the jump rope in the middle is a third dog.
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If he goes out there and he shoots two for four in a surprise victory, I'm going to cry. I'm going to sit in my house and I'm going to cry because of how beautiful it is.
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Yeah, we've got a couple 15 over twos here, but cosmologically, it has been decreed.
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We'll get this aggregated. And CA President Lucy campaigned.
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Yeah, she was at multiple conference tournaments. It's a big week for the halftime entertainers of the world.
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They had a— I had games at IU then. Yeah. Yeah. At Assembly Hall.
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Come on, you gotta go do it. What did you mean by him and my dad are in the Elvis community? I'm glad you asked. Good follow up.
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I found out that there's someone in North Carolina that belongs in jail.
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Does it do basketball games? Yeah, is this a halftime thing?
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Some people, when they throw up from something, they never have it again.
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We're just in the cool dog space.
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And you know what? The day of the stadium where we saw Ramsey's balls and there was a Panther ball testicle situation, the name of the stadium, it's BOFA. It's Bank of America. We saw the testes at BOFA and lived.
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TikTok has flooded the zone with pets doing cool stuff, but I only care if they can do it in the seven minutes in between the end of the second quarter and the teams coming out for warmups. If you can massage that into something at home and turn it into like a video, I don't believe it. I don't buy it. I need to see it in person before the team comes out to shoot some 16 footers.
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So I went to 62 games in the 2023 season.
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And this season, I did not do that. This season, I slept. That was like a one-time bit for me. Lucy has now done multiple seasons of like seeing dozens of games. So we're probably, you'll probably catch me next year.
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From like a stadium food?
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I do not know you as a vomiter, a projectile vomiter.
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I'm really glad we asked her. I wasn't expecting that much detail about the vomit. I thought she was just going to say, yeah, it was bad.
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First of all, I don't pay attention to any of the teams with single digits. You know, there's several teams that are apparently good at college basketball this year. We're not here to talk about those. No. We're here to talk about the teams that went like 17-1 in their conferences, and I believe they can pull the upset. And also, they've never been to the NCAA tournament before.
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I've been thinking about this a lot in recent days. And like the conference tournament season is the number one event for like the third tier sporting arenas besides like AEW wrestling. And it's also the number one week for Red Panda. She does like three tournaments that week.
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And also, they have a unique mascot. Those are who I'm honed in on.
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Me? Lucy? Like, that's impressive for one 16-year-old, yeah.
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Generally, the understanding in the college basketball universe is that Duke is the evil one of the two schools. Correct.
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It's UNC, and we just didn't realize it all these years.
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She lost her unicycle in transit one time. Well, that's why she needs one.
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I was assaulted. Roger's writing down notes on his breath. No, I'm just crossing UNC off.
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I just remembered another place I met you, which was the Duke's Mayo Bowl between West Virginia and North Carolina, where we were on the sidelines with the North Carolina Ram. Yes. Ramses. Ramses, yes. His balls are huge. Really. They're giant. You know, they tend to focus on the front with the horns, but there's, it's a Ram. It's not a sheep.
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He has horns painted blue. The costume mascot, no testicles. Yeah, not. Correct. Not, I mean, not that we can see. He's wearing clothing, so.
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Wait, wait. The costume mascot, not the goat.
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Yeah, that's a fun part of being a college basketball.
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There's, like, if you go to a college basketball tournament and you have a press pass and you're in the behind-the-scenes area, you will see a lot of mascots, like, with their head off drinking, like, some Gatorade or whatever to stay.
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I remember I was at the St. Peter's one a couple years ago, and, like... Like at UNC, there must be like 20 guys like trying to be the UNC mascot. But like the St. Peter's guy was really chill. And I just remember him walking off the – walking out of the area and just being like, hey, where's the pizza?
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I remember one time the ACC and the Big East were both in New York. The ACC was at Barclays and Red Panda did both. And I was like, good pull, Red Panda.
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And I was like – I just – he was definitely less of a professional than the other mascots on the scene.
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The "Field of Dreams" That Hollywood Forgot
Willkommen bei Pablo Torre Finds Out. Ich bin Pablo Torre und heute werden wir herausfinden, was dieses Geräusch ist.
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Erzähl einfach mal, wie viel Arbeit du in dieses Ding investiert hast, was jetzt, und wir kommen auch dazu, jetzt nicht ein Ding ist.
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Wie entscheidest du, dass dieses Kornfeld, dieses White House, unser Kornfeld, unsere Haus ist? Gute Frage.
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So, Mike Schur went on to do yet more important things. I mentioned The Office. He wrote for The Office. He wrote for The Simpsons. He wrote for Saturday Night Live. He made Parks and Rec, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Good Place. He's one of the most prolific, accomplished writers in all of entertainment.
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Okay, so at this point in the whole deal, as much as Mike and I have clear farming credibility, you may be wondering about the actual people whose corn this was, whose house was on that hill right next to this field of dreams. So were we.
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A few months later, we got a phone call from Morgan that said, I think you're the place we want to be.
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So, the good news for you, in all of your ignorance, is that we're not here to talk about any of those shows in specific, despite their fame and success. Because what I want to talk about is how in 2021, Mike Schur got picked by NBC Universal to birth... his passion project. He got hired to reboot Field of Dreams. That old ass movie. That's cool.
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Yeah, just like in the movie, which you can see in all its absurdity very clearly if you're watching along on the DraftKings Network or on YouTube.
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Das ist unglaublich gruselig, weil die ganze F***ing Prämisse von Field of Dreams so steht. ist, wenn man es baut, werden sie kommen. Sie werden kommen. Und was du hattest, war, wenn du es baut, wirst du eine Deadline Hollywood-Headline bekommen, die sagt, Field of Dreams hat sich an Peacock ausgedrückt, Period. Yeah, if you build it, you'll get screwed.
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It's unbelievably funny in its cruelty, admittedly.
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It's a very great footnote. It's a fair footnote. But I don't know if... I'm just inventing something here. I don't know if the Inspector Gadget reboot... hat eine Haute mit einem Helikopter herausgebracht, die sie gebaut und ingeniert haben, die irgendwo sitzt, in der Art und Weise, dass ihr Feld in Iowa sitzt, gerade jetzt, als wir sprechen.
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Das ist richtig. Das ist richtig. Es ist nicht so, wie der Film gesagt hat, in Wahrheit zu dir, wenn du das grün lichtest, wird es in Wohnzimmern streamen. Aber sie haben es im Grunde genommen gemacht. I want to get to just the why of what you wanted to do here. Because so much of this story is about, let's just call it nostalgia.
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Es geht um die Art und Weise, wie Nostalgie unsere Gedanken aufbaut und uns dazu führt, Dinge zu fühlen, die objektiv unwahrscheinlich sind. Wie viel von dem, was du geschrieben hast, und der Arch, den du für deine Version von diesem Buch erwischt hast, hat dich diese Idee beteiligt?
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But the idea of nostalgia begetting nostalgia and then in this era of Hollywood, right, where again, let's just be very blunt about this, intellectual property IP being rebooted. Wir befinden uns in einer Unternehmensökonomie, die von Nostalgie gefuehlt wird. Das ist das Algorithmisch Validierteste. Das ist das, was unter den Comic-Buch-Movien, den MCU, so viele verschiedene Dinge unterliegt.
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Aber in diesem Fall, warum haben sie entschieden, nicht mit deiner Nostalgie voranzugehen?
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So, when is this show supposed to come out? And here is the thing. Because it's not. Hahaha. So, Gott. So, they spent all this money, production was about to begin, and then Universal suddenly cancelled Mike Schur's Field of Dreams. This is despite the fact that they built this functioning baseball field in a f***ing cornfield in Iowa that still exists, by the way, right now.
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But to examine the spreadsheet, the multivariate equation that lands inside of a spreadsheet that says, we're not going to go forward with this, certainly not unique in Hollywood. But I will again remind you, That I feel like it is unique insofar as you're the guy who just wrote a monologue to begin the series that got the plug pulled on it about Moneyball.
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About the ways in which quantitative reasoning is actually a way forward towards the truth. And actually there are inefficiencies that you don't understand. And that in the end, Mike, I don't know if other projects get told in the same way, given your... Personal Investment in these themes. Sorry, your Vorp isn't high enough.
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Your value over replacement project just didn't make the cut for NBC Universal.
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What comes to mind in terms of what you're mourning? Because, Mike, I want to add another layer of metaphor onto this metaphor eating itself, which is that this is a movie not just about nostalgia. It's also a work about loss. Yeah.
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Das ist der Pinnacle deiner Karriere in Hollywood.
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Und du wirst deine eigene Version eines jungen Moonlight Grahams werden. Plötzlich bist du jetzt... somehow just, you're in puberty, in the room, amid the timeline of everyone else, just prowling in the promise of what's to come.
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You are enjoying this way too much. But what I wanted to do on today's show, Cortez, is find out why.
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Das ist... Das ist... Ja, das ist eine gute Idee. Du solltest jemanden pitchen. Das Konzept. Nach dem wirklichen, du weißt, Origami-Level von Metikulösheit, wie du das kraftest, über jeden kleinen Korner füllen, um sicherzustellen, dass alles richtig aussieht. Die Uniformen, die Knöpfe, die historische Fidelity, nicht nur zum Baseball selbst, sondern auch zum Film.
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Den Film, den du jetzt versuchst zu erneuern, während du auch subverteilst. What is happening with the field right now?
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Und so, mit diesem Lease-Expired, mussten wir natürlich zurückgehen zu Anna und Tyler, unseren 7. und 8. Generationen-Farmer-Freunden in Iowa, um herauszufinden.
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Is this it? Is it done? Is there no chance for this to ever live?
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Ja, ja, Mike Schur in vollem Bewusstsein und in gleichzeitigem Vergnügen der Mathematik, die du so viel liebst. Thank you for telling us about the metaphor that has eaten itself and you, potentially.
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Yeah, noted. So, as I sit down at my keyboard here and reflect on what it is that I found out today, I am honestly just blown away by the levels of this story. Because, let's remember, Field of Dreams is a movie about nostalgia that was in the process of being rebooted by a guy who loves that nostalgia. Who loves baseball, is nostalgic for it.
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But also loves sabermetrics, moneyball, statistics, math. That was his version of this reboot. Except math turned out to be the very thing that got his reboot booted. Because it turns out that Field of Dreams Nostalgia, per Hollywoods own statistical modeling, wasn't nostalgic enough. In this age of reboots and IP, it wasn't Marvel, wasn't Transformers, wasn't Ninja Turtles and on and on.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Art Media production.
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Mike, bevor wir zu der Geschichte des Feldes, den du gebaut hast, kommen wir zu der Geschichte, die wir heute hier machen. Ich dachte, ich hätte es dir schon lange erwähnt. Ich habe es gesehen. Ich habe es nicht gesehen, bis nur einen Tag zuvor.
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Wie kann man nur so... Ausgeruht sein? Ganz einfach. Trainiere deinen Schlaf und werde auch du zum Morgenmenschen. Mit der Galaxy Watch 7 oder dem Galaxy Ring und der Samsung Health App.
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Richtig. Nun, ich verstehe all das. Ich verstehe, warum es polarisiert ist. Ich verstehe auch, warum ich gedacht hätte, dass ich es gesehen hätte. Weil ich es gesehen habe, habe ich gemerkt, oh, das ist wie der prime Beispiel von dem Ding, das so oft parodiert wird.
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I feel like I should say that Fields of Dreams did get nominated for Best Picture and Best Screenplay and Best Original Score at the Oscars in 1990. What I had seen, though, instead, was a movie called How High.
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Ich habe auch diesen Teil von The Simpsons gesehen.
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Hey, nice rouge there, Gordo. And there was this scene from another cartoon, John Lovitz's The Critic. Wow, Babe Ruth.
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So, Mike Schur, der kurze Elevator-Pitch im IMDb Summer League für Leute, die noch nicht Field of Dreams gesehen haben, den Film, den du in eine Serie gedreht hast, über den wir hier reden wollen. Wie beschreibst du es für diejenigen, die es nicht kennen?
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Heute wollte ich eine Geschichte machen, die ein paar Dinge macht. Es ermöglicht uns, Baseball zu beobachten, mitten in der Baseball-Post-Saison. Es ist die ALCS und die NLCS, beide sind diese Woche unterwegs. Aber es ist auch eine Geschichte über jemanden, den ich als einen wirklich guten Freund betrachte, den ich... Ich bin mir sicher, dass du das Gegenteil betrachtest.
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It's a good baseball field, right? It's kind of pretty, isn't it?
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Hollywood-Showrunner und Comedy-Legend Mike Schur.
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I was like, so what? Hold on. Du bist beide du, aber du bist auch im gleichen physischen Raum, aber die Zeitlinien sind geschlossen. Es wurde für mich sehr verwirrend.
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So for people who don't know this, Cortez, the Minister of He Propaganda, Parakeet Cortez, that is his legend. Mike Schur is a levitard shows like Resident, Red Sox, Baseball, Celtics, Boston Superfan, which explains the antagonism.
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Alright, so what's your review? Also mein Review ist, dass es mich am Ende getroffen hat. Ich komme also direkt zu dem, worüber ich mich überrascht fühlte. Denn es gibt einiges von Schlag. Es gibt einiges von dem herrlichen Monolog, das ich als jemand, der die Schriftsteller richtig hören konnte, gegründet habe.
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Und ich war so, oh, ich höre das Schreiben und ich, das ist einfach für mich als Person, die sich immer selbstbewusst darüber kümmert. Aber das Ende, Mann! F***, wenn ich keine Lippen in meinen Orbitalbooten fühlen würde.
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Weil die Wahrheit ist... I also want to have a catch with my dad. That's all I want. That's what I realized. I was like, f***.
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Ja, genau, genau. Nur auf den allzeit populärsten Fernsehserien, vielleicht auch im Büro. Aber Mike Schur ist auch jemand, der einen Baseball-Blog gegründet hat. Fire Joe Morgan. Es war da, um die alten Baseball-Broadcaster und Journalisten der Mitte der 2000er-Jahre zu kritisieren, indem sie statistische Ansätze wie Moneyball-Stuff, Metrics, Mathematik benutzen.
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Well, let's talk about everything that happened because you put work into this in a way that staggered me. Like, I'm not merely here to talk about Field of Dreams because it's a cultural artifact that actually is rich with symbolism that still resonates today. I want to do this story because you put yourself in in eine Art und Weise, die nicht nur ungewöhnlich, sondern auch verrückt fühlt.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Right after this ad.
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Look, it's Smokey, it's Al, but really Harvey. It's Phyllis from Mulga. I mean, Paul, these are characters that I feel like I know. And of course, Phyllis, God rest her soul. Her call in 2017 about Jim Harbaugh is still seared into my brain.
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Es gibt einen Aspekt deines Shows, der Therapie ist, der eine Konfessionstür ist, der, ehrlich gesagt, Wall Street Occupy ist, wenn es sich um Populismus handelt, die Kontrolle über das, was sonst eine sehr top-down-Bürokratie fühlt. Und in diesem Szenario, wie die Person, die mich am meisten aufmerksam hat, die ganze Saison, diese Saison, ist ein Typ, der mit einem einzigen Namen geht.
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Alright, so Legend. Okay. You may recall Legend from like 15 minutes ago, actually. Because Legend happens to be the caller, whose analysis of a team coached by Nick Saban's replacement, Kalen DeBoer, after losing to 5-5 Oklahoma earlier this season, Bama's third loss of said season, was this.
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Hey Bro, kannst du mich hören? Ich kann dich hören, ich kann dich sehen, ich kann... Bist du immer in den Gläsern, wenn du das tust? Wenn du telefonierst, wenn du sprichst? Oder ist das nur für mich?
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Paul, when did you realize, how long did it take you to realize that Legend was going to be one of these special callers, maybe even special in a way that no one could quite replicate?
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But there is something else that I needed to clarify about Legend, Gary, that is critical to understanding the broader Feinbaum community of callers and also how it is mathematically even possible that college football is the second most popular sport in the United States, right behind the NFL, and easily the most unhinged. Which is that Legend never actually attended the University of Alabama.
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All of which qualifies Legend, according to his own personal estimation, for a very special form of office, a leadership position in a truly startlingly enormous community. And it's the kind of office that, by definition, You cannot pay for.
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It's an unbelievable asset to hear from a guy like Legend what he did after Tennessee, after Alabama loses to Tennessee.
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Die Ivory Tower hat immer noch einen schönen, paddigen Kuss in meinem Sitz.
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No, you will be forever the guy who brought me the caller who said that losing to Oklahoma was like going to bed with Beyonce and waking up next to Whoopi Goldberg.
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The larger family of networks.
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Ich konkurriere. In Bezug auf die Anrufer und ihre eigenen Ansichten über sich selbst. Ich habe mit Legend gesprochen, und Legend wollte sehr klar darüber sprechen. Er sagte, ich bin nicht Harvey Updike. Harvey Updike ist ein Kriminal, das bin ich nicht.
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Und natürlich, in meinem Geist, ging ich sofort zu, natürlich, Legends eigenen Vergangenheit.
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That's right.
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Auf dem Papier ist es gruselig, richtig? Ich meine, was wir mit Legend reden, ist eine Geschichte von ihm, als er 17 Jahre alt war. Es ist in Winston County, in Northwest Alabama. Der Argument mit seinem Cousin über eine Frau, glaube ich, hat er auch erwähnt.
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And he goes to his father's gun cabinet. His dad's out. His dad apparently working in the coal mine. It's a .22 rifle. And he takes his cousin out to the woods. And he shoots Randy Barton, also 17, twice in the back of the head.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So, if you're already wondering here why the most popular and influential sports radio show in the entirety of the South, beloved by those voices we just played for you, happens to be a program called The Paul Feinbaum Show... I get the question. Paul is a bald 69-year-old Jewish guy who is not from Alabama, although he has lived in Alabama now for 45 years.
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You believe that this guy, who had served his time, who has come out and gotten to know you over the airwaves and apparently in person, that he is in fact rehabilitated.
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He had mentioned, I don't know if you remember this, but there was a moment, I guess, about a year and a half ago. I believe it was a school shooting of some kind.
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And he said that this was the thing that made him want to go and actually take his act, so to speak, out on the road to these prisons.
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It does feel like Paul is giving out a kind of medication.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Legend now, okay, his mission now, right? He has a couple of missions, crusades for the good in life. He also wants to fire Caelan de Boer.
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That stuff is what makes the job itself at times so hard. Ist das nicht so? Die Idee, dass das ein Hot Seat ist und unter dem Feuer, kannst du dich einladen und es hören, jedes Mal, wenn du den Feinbaum-Show einlädst.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And those same voices you heard have taken to comparing Paul's general look to Mr. Burns from The Simpsons, for instance, among other things. But the Paul Feinbaum Show, to be very clear, is a singular cultural institution. Und dieses Jahr, Tuscaloosa's first without Nick Saban, arguably the greatest college football coach who ever lived, there is no radio show that I would rather hear.
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But the influence is obvious to everybody, I think, who spends a couple minutes listening to the people that listen to you. And when I listen to a legend talk about what this particular holiday season is going to be like, Paul, I mean, let's just say it bluntly. This is a weird Christmas season.
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Ja, gegen ein 7-5 Michigan-Team.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Ja, Legend, for the record here, offered me his ticket to the Relia Quest Bowl.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
I hesitate to leave the ivory tower for the Reliaquest Bowl.
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The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
You don't want to be seen there. No, no, God no. And so the question becomes, ahead of Christmas now, what do you want for Christmas, Paul Feinbaum? What do you hope for your audience?
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Die Leber rütteln, Paul. Die Leber rütteln immer noch.
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Paul, it's such a beautiful sentiment. And it may not surprise you to learn that when I asked Legend this same question, he said this.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media Production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Covid ist passiert. Und jetzt haben wir nur noch eine mentale Bildung, glaube ich, von einem jungen Paul Feinbaum, der eine Pie schickt. Und Sie sind willkommen dafür. Aber was ich heute herausfinden wollte, ist, wie Paul in diese Messe, so zu sprechen, in den ersten Moment.
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Unter all den hübschen Kulturen im Süden und im Mittleren Westen, warum ist Alabama der Ort, wo dieses Show so ist?
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Ja, und jetzt komme ich zu dir in der Post-Nick Saban-Ära, an einem Zeitpunkt, an dem ich denke, dass ich mich interessierter für dich und deinen Publikum interessiere, als ich jemals war. Es war eine verdammte Saison für dein Show, in all diesen Sätzen.
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This is surreal though. The setup we have right now, I do feel like a caller on your show, which is... Well, you're a FaceTime caller. Yeah, I'm a first time long time. That is also true. I was thinking about how to explain you and your show to people in my life who don't already know the legend of your show, so to speak.
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Als ich dir gesagt habe, dass ich zuerst von deinem Show in Ernest bekannt geworden bin, im Jahr 2010, denke ich, du kannst dir vorstellen, warum. Oh ja. Die Saga von Al von Dadeville, Paul. Ich versuche zu beginnen, die Shakespeareanische und dann kriminelle Dramatik zu besprechen, die diese Geschichte war. Wie erzählst du das für Leute, die sich nicht mit der Geschichte erinnern?
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And I realized that it's hard because I have to explain that I spend time with Paul Feinbaum early in the morning on MSNBC quite a bit.
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Ja, er wurde drei Jahre im Gefängnis verurteilt. Er wurde verurteilt für kriminelle Schadenswerte eines Landwirtschaftsgebietes. Und es wäre eine Sache, wenn es die Geschichte deiner Show wäre, wenn das die eine Sache wäre, über die Leute gesprochen haben. Ich denke, es war das nächste Jahr, als ein Mann namens Smokey dich anruft und er hat eine Predikament.
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And then, Paul, you go off and you do a show that I would dare say is not exactly the same audience.
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But, okay, hold on. What I'm finding out immediately is that Smokey still today is... All right.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I believe that we have the technology to do this, so bear with me. I believe we can actually show you this video because there's a green screen where we make this into the land man hospital scene. This is Bob Kraft auditioning for the role that Jerry Jones submitted for.
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Bob Kraft said, quote, I never intended that it would be made public and I regret that it has. End quote.
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Do you think he wanted... I do think that this was clearly something where she was like, would it help you if you knew that I was potentially romantically entangled? with one of the richest men in America who happens to own the dynasty of our time. And it turned out the answer was no, because he did not get the part. Nor did he. That's a tough scene for them.
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A tough scene in every possible way, actually. Charlie, let's bring it back to the world of actual journalism. Yes. What did you bring us?
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Saturday was... It's remarkable how precisely he's recalling all of this. I mean, it sounds like it was like a class schedule for him. I want you to bring back the Hawaiian shirt. Yeah, definitely.
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Spider-Man 2 has been like a case study in this story because Spider-Man, the video game, you can see over time, it becomes really, again, like you're inside of a movie. Its whole thing is hyper-realism. And then you sort of also begin to notice, and this is another just like funny thing that I think
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any video game player has to make peace with, is that at a certain point, the money you're dropping for the new game doesn't get you the proportional increase in terms of like, wow, this is so much different than it was before. There's a plateau. There is a diminishing returns just on the technology level.
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And what I didn't know until Charlie was like, I want to do this story, is that the entire industry has gone so far in the direction of trying to Hollywoodify everything.
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Now they're realizing, wait a minute, the thing that the kids are actually playing and are obsessed with, their graphics are terrible. Yeah.
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I didn't realize it until I read this story. Like, I knew, I felt it intuitively. I was like, do I really need the PS5 Pro to get some marginal advantage in the Spider-Man 2 graphics? The answer for me was no.
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But now I'm just realizing, oh, like, what people actually want out of this experience, Dominique, is just not what video game studios, and they're studios now, ended up spending a bulk of their cash on.
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Then we get to a point where it's like, all right, this does enough. Everything feels just like a pendulum swinging back and forth in general. But now what we're seeing in this economy of video games is that studios are like closing down. Layoffs are happening for the first time. Layoffs apparently have affected more than 20,000 employees in the past two years, more than 2,500 Microsoft workers.
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And the point being that what you actually want out of this product the entire time was, it reminds me of just like, and it's funny to say this in the same like month that we finally got new cameras in the studio, but like look at internet video, look at what goes viral. Like people actually have such a tolerance for the worst production values.
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And we have been trying to spend to attract something that's not actually why people are here.
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I'm still trying to win Brett Coleman back.
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Ruddy, ruddy-faced, drunk face.
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Ruddy-faced drunk face.
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Does it feel like the experience that you're here for?
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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I want to introduce people to Charlie in case they don't know of his previous work.
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Protest partying?
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Right. Why would you need a supercomputer to run a video game? Yeah. Are your kids into like Roblox and stuff? Yeah, on and off sometimes. Yeah, they like it. But just like, it's my niece who's 10. I'm just like, there's a quote in this piece about one game and essentially like the JPEG that they used to advertise it. I love this detail. Was a bigger file than the actual game.
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It's just like, this is not the point. Like the point is amusement. Yeah. When graphics got better, it was awesome.
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You know what the turning point for me with Madden was when I stopped playing it? The passing cone. I was about to say it was the vision cone. Yeah, the vision cone. The worst. But that's exactly it. It's like, hey, did you guys want to simulate the feeling of being like a fighter pilot who needs to do tons of homework to figure out how to pass the ball in a football video game? No. Yeah.
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Video game murder with energy swords.
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I have such stupid nostalgia for, like, just GoldenEye. What was your… I just want GoldenEye.
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Oh, yeah, music. Music is great. You're telling me that being Oddjob and hiding inside a bathroom stall… Every time.
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You know who my favorite players were in GoldenEye and Madden? iJob and Michael Vick respectively. Duh. So there was actually a long discussion about what Dominique was going to bring to the table here. I didn't participate in that discussion.
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That's such a f***ing bro. By the way, when I saw Dominique on the field at this playoff game in Baltimore. Oh, yeah. I actually posted some s***. Yeah, some s***. It was you and Declan on the field together.
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And I see why you guys sent me this, because... You responded to zero of the texts on the group chat about planning for this segment.
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Zero texts on this thread, Charlie. You're welcome. To be fair, he was working the entire time. Yeah, again, he was between Stephen A and Shannon Sharp on first take. I understand that. But he responded to zero texts. I think that Dominique Foxworth is the single worst texter in sports media. I disagree.
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Like some real adults. So Dominique does like a phone call. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's in fact praiseworthy that he wants to have a conversation.
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But he's great at the group chat. I've disappointed Dominic. Yeah, he is incredible.
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That's my thing in group chats, though, is that I am... I'm not going to lead the team in field goal attempts, but I'm going to have a pretty good percentage. Yeah. By the way, invariably, Mina is always leading the league in attempts. And, like, she's a good percentage, too. I'm not saying that. But, like, that's where I'm like, oh, I'm the guy in the article. Like, I can't keep up. Yeah.
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I told Mina recently, I was like, I think you are in, Mina, the two most active group chats on my phone. And she looked at me like, really? Those are the two most active on your phone? As if, like... I am, yeah.
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So who is worse than Dominique if you're saying that Dominique is not dead last? I want to build a power rankings here. Levitard and Katie Nolan.
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Oh, that's right. She, like a professional athlete, had two phones.
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You got two phones, you don't got one.
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It's just like, Dan, you should just be emailing people. And then you get an email from him, and you're like, Dan, you should not be emailing people.
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It would be... such a clarifying detail if, in fact, he was just dictating it. Instead, I think that's just his brain. Yeah, I like it. I like a no bullshit spew. You like a giant, unbroken block of text that is not even being vaguely considered to be broken into paragraphs. Love it. Gives me joy.
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I forgot when we compliment Dominique, he...
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Perfect. Again, because today we had other options for this story. And I'm like, I guess we're going to do the story that most accurately describes the guy who's supposed to bring this in.
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You will leave. I am in group chats that I have not contributed a single thing to, but I'm just lurking.
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There's an anecdote in this piece in The Atlantic about a guy who, I guess, abandoned his group chat also because nobody acknowledged that his mom had died. Yeah, that's bulls**t. That's f**king nuts.
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I'm sorry, man. If there's anything you need, hit me up. So the reason why that anecdote resonates is because I'm like, I don't want the group chat to be in the groups where we're handling this. That shouldn't be in the group chat. Exactly.
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But at the same time, it is weird to be in a continuous flow of conversation with some dudes and a traumatic thing happens to you and you're like... That's why you named the group chat.
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The group chat is titled... Hey, man, there if you need me. The group chat is titled... everything's going to be mean about this guy's mom dying.
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That's not true. Do you remember the story? Dominique was being recruited by the University of Pittsburgh. Yeah. And he was taken to an establishment in which the quality of entertainment was surprisingly high. No, it was not.
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We have not texted each other in the me, Charlie Kravitz, Dominic Foxworth, Kevin Clark group chat, Rust Belt Strip Club Enthusiasts, since April 24th. Perfect. Don't start now.
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You think I need a permission slip to be like, hey, I'm going to talk about this in this specific way. Here are some jokes I'm planning.
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No. That's your second thought. My first thought is, how is my friend doing? My second thought is, how can my friend do this on my show? So she's like, no, I'm good.
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It is a fear, though, that I think we all have for being honest.
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Yeah, when you're the last person to text something and there's no response. For a day. A day in an active group chat. They're chatting without me now.
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Yeah, it's the reverse. It's the opposite of college football alignment. Yeah. Everything's getting smaller, and you're just like, I think I got booted out of the Pac-12.
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Okay, so final rankings of sports media's worst group chatters. slash texters, you're saying that Katie Nolan, Dan Levitard, are both worse than Dominique. Definitely. And I give Dan more of a pass because of age. Because Dan doesn't know how to operate technology in general.
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At the end of every episode, Pablo Torre finds out a show about finding stuff out. Dominique... I don't want to go first. Regain consciousness. We are going to say what we all found out today. Charlie Kravitz, we'll begin with you.
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It's like a hug. Hasn't been washed. Oh, never mind. But definitely authentic. I found out Pablo's dirty. Wash your sweater.
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I know. What I found out is that Dominique... Gotta eat every couple hours, man. Need some protein. God. The naturally charismatic Dominique Foxworth needs to be refueled. Apologize. I think the most offensive thing anyone has ever done on my show is actively simulate snoring.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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I wanted to start with this Jerry Jones thing. Are you a watcher, Dominique, of Landman? I'm not a watcher of Landman. Is the way I say Landman, Charlie, persuading you that maybe I am familiar with the show?
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I've watched all of Landman, except for the finale. I haven't watched the finale yet.
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The reason, though, I am talking about Landman is because this Paramount Plus show, which is a Taylor Sheridan show, which is to say it's in his cinematic universe, which is to say that it's very popular among a sector of America that is quite populous, it turns out. That's the Yellowstone guy? I don't know why I said either.
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So it's a give and a take. You hosted the out of his show. Good job. He's our white America correspondent. And what Landman went viral for recently is this scene with Jerry Jones. And this has been everywhere, but I wanted to actually get behind the scenes of this scene, which we will show you in a little bit here.
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And so what we did was we called up the cinematographer of Landman, Robert McLaughlin, who is a veteran of shows such as Game of Thrones, Ray Donovan, Westworld. Ryan Cortez, by the way, texted me just now. Quote, it's Friday Night Lights mixed with Sicario.
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His land man. That's a great call. And if the cinematography by Robert McLaughlin is anything like that, a compliment to Robert McLaughlin, who sounds like this.
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And so Jerry Jones enters this hospital room in which Jon Hamm, give the visuals here, is unwell and in a hospital bed. He's had his fourth heart attack. And Billy Bob Thornton is there, Oscar winner and Emmy winner respectively, in reverse order. And Jerry Jones proceeds, in case you haven't seen it, this non-actor, to do this.
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I mean, he crushed that. It's incredible. Chewed that shit up. His eyes, the sniffling, his eyes getting watery. That man can lie.
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Oh, give me a microphone and a camera. In the hallways, by the way, the cinematographer, the people who doubted him working on the show, on the set, were all blown away. This was a script. There were several takes because they got to get coverage and it's just standard Hollywood stuff. Dominique, big Hollywood, big shot, knows this, of course.
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But the point is, what the cinematographer also said to us was, but he pretty much nailed every single take. He was just crushing it the whole day.
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So what we did also was we asked for Jerry Jones himself. We asked for the king to visit us. The Cowboys head of PR responded this way, quote, Appreciate the interest. Jerry was fantastic in the landman scene, for sure. He's also in the midst of sorting out our head coach situation, so we'll need to pass on this. And then shortly thereafter, Mike McCarthy was...
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consciously uncoupled from the Dallas Cowboys. Dominique, you negotiate. You think you could do it?
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I don't think I would be anywhere near as good as him. I wouldn't be close.
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That is so real, though. I never visited, like, Boston. We stayed in Harvard Square the entire time. We did very little adventuring to, like, adult world.
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So you're saying you wouldn't be the greatest stand-up of all time, but short of that, anything's possible.
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People just should know this, that Dominique does believe that his superpower as a fox man, this is a better superhero name for you. That was bad. But there is a belief that Dominique has that if he were to try hard at anything, he can accomplish it.
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Wow. That's nonsense. Blunt. A blunt scouting report. He thinks I'm not funny.
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So I want to bring this back to the Jerry Jones briefly for a second here, because he was so good that lots of people who worked on the show started wondering, like, who's better than this? And it's a hard question to find an answer to. They even wondered if Jerry Jones had hired an acting coach at one point. But it brings us back to this general idea of, like,
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These people have seen a lot of cameos on prestige television. And apparently, quote, there is no comparison to Jerry Jones from the cinematographer in question.
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So Jerry Jones, naturally charismatic in front of the camera. Noah Syndergaard, former Mets would-be star pitcher, looked like this. And you can just get the freeze frame of Noah Syndergaard. Yep, there it is.
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His name is Thor. Couldn't throw shit.
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He should be able to throw. You've negotiated against Jerry Jones. You've covered him. You were just on TV gasbagging about him. I'm so thankful that he's around. He's a font of content. Yeah. The guy does radio shows. He's a billionaire. He then argues with the radio hosts, giving us content on top of content. He just...
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Essentially, de facto fired Mike McCarthy because Mike McCarthy wanted to coach his team for longer than he wanted him to. And now he's feeding us in Hollywood. It's just a remarkable thing. Do you have a sense of humor about him? Or does he seem... Is he getting away with stuff? Because he is also the guy who is charming everybody in all of these rooms. Me included, it turns out. I don't know.
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Give me just the physical scouting report on Charlie Kravitz, Vanderbilt student.
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He's incredibly charming. Is he getting away with stuff? I mean...
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When it comes to the power of wealth and how much of charm is just being rich and famous and powerful... It's a lot easier. I present to you... I present to you... Everything's easier when you're rich. ...a counterpoint. Because the other NFL owner, of course, who has made, I think... a very memorable acting cameo, actually did this on tape.
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It was an audition submission for his girlfriend, now about 15 years ago. Were they about 2012-ish? And I'd like you to just witness the theatrical charisma of Bob Craft and his actress model girlfriend at the time, Rikki Noel Lander.
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Oh, God. So that was an audition tape submitted and then leaked and then shared on the internet for the internship. The Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson movie. Bob Craft was doing Owen Wilson's lines. Bob Craft was on camera, though, which isn't typical about a submission, an on-tape audition. Dominique, what?
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Blood Empty: How a Beloved Team Made a Deal with the Devil
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Right after this ad.
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They need a sponsor, in other words. It's very American, ideal. And so... So they got Gazprom. Gazprom.
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Yes. First time I moved out of my parents' apartment, asked a friend. Can you help me move, having never done it myself?
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And so Gazprom, when they saw Schalke, what were they seeing in this club?
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So now I'm getting a sense of the devil in this story.
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Familiar with that guy.
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but Putin to the West looking like an ally, like an economic engine.
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My good buddy Juan, I am so sorry. He got the bottom part of the couch. And I was like just steering it from the top, which is... unequal distribution of labor. So, yeah, I did that, which I am still living down.
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So I like that you have power ranked all of the moments in world history and the fall of the Berlin Wall, Bradley Campbell's number one slot.
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I do not apologize for liking that a lot. So this has now become so much more German than I even anticipated when I greenlit a story about German soccer and German politics. You're welcome. So Schalke has accepted this deal with Gazprom. And so the question, I suppose, is how much did they know that there were these strings attached? How much Faust did they know was going to be in this bargain?
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So I'm thinking about the original astrologer, Faust, who makes this deal with the devil for knowledge and power and gets it. And it is awesome. Awesome. Right? For some amount of time. So what did that look like for Schalke 04, the high of getting all of this power?
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And so this team that hadn't won in Germany since the 50s is now competing to the point where they make the Champions League semifinals in 2011. They are playing Manchester United. Again, one of the top brands, one of the top clubs in the world. With the best players. And things are going better than anybody could have thought.
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They get their pipeline, their sequel.
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And so this is where I am familiar with the West's view of Russia, right? Like Obama made that joke, this isn't the 80s anymore. Turns out it is. And now, if you're Schalke, the pressure clearly would be to cut ties with Vladimir Putin's gas giants. Like, how can you possibly be the team with Gazprom across your chest in all these ways?
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This is him sticking to sports, right?
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The fact that the 2018-2019 season happens as that is happening, right? So I'm going back to the record that I'm consulting here. They make another run in the Champions League.
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The deal you need to make. So they made a deal with a sovereign wealth fund in Abu Dhabi. And so as a matter of scale, yeah, like Schalke 04 is Faustian bargain. This is not rating in comparison to Man City.
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And I just got to jump in here for a second to put an even finer point on this observation, because as much as you might think that Vladimir Putin's favorite state-owned energy company would have more than enough in its pockets, Manchester City is indeed owned by the Abu Dhabi royal family, which bought it in 2008, 2009.
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You're like, oh, wait, you're in Germany.
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And this makes Manchester City the single richest club in the entire Premier League. They have spent billions on buying players. This most recent transfer window, in fact, they just outspent everybody else. And none of this is especially close. And so in that pivotal round of 16 against Man City in 2019, Schalke loses 10 to 2 on aggregate. At which point really spins out of control.
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Schalke proceeds to finish in 12th place the following season.
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And then the whole pandemic happens, meaning that Schalke's fans slash owners can't even get into their building anymore, which cuts off the team's revenues at the knees. And as for what is happening in front of those now empty seats, The team goes winless in its first 14 matches.
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But the worst part about finishing dead last in the league in such a way was the fact that Schalke then got relegated. down to the second division.
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Which is all to say that the Gazprom era of Shalka 04, beyond being morally compromised by Vladimir Putin's annexation of Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula, also wasn't going great on the pitch.
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And so the Meat Baron, who I cannot help but think of at the end of that insane litany of events, government named Clemens Tonys, the Meat Baron, did he get any sort of cosmic punishment for his role in this bargain for leading Schalke down this particularly crazy path?
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It does feel like there should be a German word for that feeling. Blood Empty. So this brings us now to February 2022. And in the sports calendar, this is a familiar point. The Winter Olympics in Sochi have just finished up. Vladimir Putin, Russian pride, everyone's riding high.
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Yeah. He responded the way that Juan responded when I asked him to help me move a couch.
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So that is a bind for Axel and Schalke to have to figure out.
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So just to recap this, what Axel is saying is that they go from Gazprom, Vladimir Putin's state-owned gas giant, to a local union, which doesn't have nearly the amount of money that they have.
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I wasn't familiar with the geopolitics of intra-German professional soccer clubs.
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And so at this point in the story of Faust, what happens is that he is condemned and judged for the deal he has struck. In the middle of the night, to put the most literary sort of emphasis on this, a pack of devils carry his soul to hell, Bradley. So is that what happens to Schalke 04 here?
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And that's the devil. The devil's carrying them to the netherworld.
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But apparently, Bradley, as I understand now where you're headed, yeah, this is a thing.
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When it comes to identifying the devil, which is the reason you went searching in Gelsenkirchen in Germany in the first place, the devil isn't exactly Russia in our story, right? The devil seems to be the pursuit of money, frankly. And loss of control. and the loss of control.
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I mean, I've seen Daryl recently, and dude is aging. Speaking of U.S. presidents, he's aging like one.
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That's what it takes.
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Which is a Faustian bargain of a different kind.
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But how do you do that when you're loaded down with all of this insane debt from the Gazprom meat baron era?
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I mean, that's an insane fall.
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Yeah, you're describing, you know, trust the process, which I, of course, personally have some fondness for. But you're talking about a rebuild. This is an old-fashioned rebuild.
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And with that money, with this new revenue stream, What do they want to do? Like, are they buying soccer players? Are they improving their facilities? What's their goal?
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Which is also a philosophy I now understand that is adored, true to this region. For sure.
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And so now I kind of feel like I'm on your grandma's barge. Or also, perhaps, a Bernie Sanders event. My skepticism here is simple, though. Like, how do you win in this era of soccer? How do you win against the petrostates and oligarchs and sovereign wealth funds and the deepest pockets in the history of sports?
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Well, how does it go? How does the crushing go? The devil just absolutely pummels them.
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That's really what this episode is about, is you being a terrible relative.
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So what do you decide to do with these feelings now that are sloshing inside of you? I decided to board the ship.
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And so near the end here, Bradley, this video that you're playing is what?
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Right, which is just the most Brooklyn shit.
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And so if you are now wondering how Bradley Campbell's new soccer club is doing as its season draws to a close, I do have a bit of news here. Schalke 04, which had been playing in the second division of German soccer this season, has spent all year trying to climb out of this hole left by Gazprom and, yes, their own generally horrible decision-making.
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The prospect of being sent down to the third division was looming. But we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out are happy to now tell you that while Schalke 04 is yet again coming down to the final match this weekend, meaning that yes, Putin's alleged peace talks and Schalke's future are once again intersecting, it does appear that they have fended off relegation this season.
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And things did not look good for a while here, to be clear.
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I just got two questions before we get so truly, like, highfalutin celestial about this. Where's the hat? The hat? The Borussia Dortmund hat. Oh, the hat. That is responsible for why we are here doing this story. Oh, I made amends. Here it is. So, okay. So, the black and yellow familiar Borussia Dortmund logo has been vandalized. What? What an expert way it has been painted over here.
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But describe what this is.
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Incredible rebranding. On that... question of rebranding. My second question, my final question on the show today is, did Schalke 04 ever get a new sponsor? Like, what replaced Gazprom across the jersey? What are you doing?
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Okay, so this is a... That's my jersey. A beautiful blue and white Sun Mini Mule. Yep. Sun Mini Mule. What is Sun Mini Meal across the chest of your jersey?
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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I have a sense now of your cousin Max. Yep. God bless him. His favorite club. But in terms of the Faustian bargain here, this deal with the devil, who is the devil in this story?
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Something very big is supposed to happen as early as today, Thursday, May 15, 2025.
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to quote-unquote restart peace talks directly with Ukraine, the nation he'd invaded. And ostensibly, this would end the war that has impacted both all of Europe, certainly, as well as the United States. And what Putin says here is that these talks should, quote, start without delay as early as May 15th.
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And look, the whims of Vladimir Putin, the whole way that his dictatorship in Russia can offer both destruction and salvation in one fell swoop, might not immediately seem like an urgent sports story to you. But what you're about to hear today in the story of Schalke 04, this big German soccer team, is a story that's about a lot more than just Europe or international politics.
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or our correspondent Bradley Campbell's cousin, Max. This is a story about the strings that get attached to offers of sports salvation, which means that this is a story about your favorite team as well. So this is one of those stories that I greenlit not because I love German soccer. It's a story that I greenlit because there was this Faustian deal with the devil.
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And so when it comes to people who are not familiar with Faust and that deal, I mean, this is an omnipresent kind of story throughout human history.
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That's right. But the original, right, which goes back centuries. 1700s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or earlier. It's about an astrologer who sells his soul to the devil in exchange for knowledge and power. And that story ends, I suppose, quite literally with Faust, the astrologer, in hell.
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So as you look out the train window, It's Europe, but you're describing, at this point, a very familiar part of America.
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Amid these rolling hills is a ruin that also harkens back to this time when it was thriving.
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I mean, I'm all right, but you're finishing, is this lunch? Granola bar, which technically, I guess, is lunch right now. Yeah, I've been tracking you across the office. I am always rushing around from thing to thing. You seem haggard, especially lately. It's been a stretch, dude. You are trying to be kind to yourself by eating a kind bar. Yeah. A real luxury.
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Right. So this is the home of Schalke 04. Yep. For those like me who didn't know much about Schalke, when they clicked on this episode, what is the word you would use to describe just their sort of aesthetic, their vibe? Old. How old are we talking?
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Okay, so that's the 04.
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Completely, completely. And when you realize who they've produced, what this factory has, put out into the world. So Mesut Ozil, Turkish, right? Son of Turkish immigrants? Yep. One of the greatest midfielders in the world.
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Those creative midfielders, for sure. And then the greatest goalkeeper, many would argue. Ever. Manuel Neuer is from there.
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The larger picture here is just that here is this factory producing this raw material and then refining it along this assembly line, exporting it out to the wider football world.
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So this team, when you look at the business of it, yeah, they're on the Forbes top 10 list alongside Bayern Munich, alongside Barcelona, alongside Manchester United. These are the biggest brands in soccer.
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So the perspective I want to bring here is from Green Bay. So Green Bay, the Packers, this is considered in America the most populist case study in how to do something like this. Fan-owned, lots and lots and lots of members. And I think it's Green Bay, hundreds of thousands. In this case, Schalke is dealing with how many members? 190,000 members.
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But the idea is that there's no one billionaire owner. It's this mess of people. God knows that's my dream. To own a soccer club.
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not a character in this specific story. And so, as they are living your dream, as they are voting on decisions, deciding collectively how to try to proceed with this idyllic populist football vision in an era, of course, of billionaires and...
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petrostates and oligarchs and the deepest pockets you've ever seen in the history of sports, it does raise another concern about, so where is the money coming from, Bradley?
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Winning is correlated directly across the board here with money.
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Daryl ist jetzt Präsident der Basketball-Operationen für die Philadelphia 76ers und er ist auch, es scheint, ein Zuschauer dieses Shows. Und so fühle ich mich journalistisch gezwungen, zu beweisen, dass die Sixers jetzt ungefähr 20 Spiele unter 500 spielen, eine wirklich schreckliche Saison zu haben, wie wir es diskutieren.
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Aber das bringt uns gleich zurück zu Sport.
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Also für mich ist der Problem, die Tension unserer Zeit, die Daryl durch diese Konferenz tatsächlich in der Form hatte, ist diese Tension zwischen Unterhaltung und Effizienz.
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Und ich denke immer daran, als ich die Liga-Office erwähnte, um mit den Leuten zu arbeiten, die sich innovieren wollen, gibt es diesen Einfluss, wie wir vor den Leuten bleiben, die am cleversten sind, wenn es darum geht, diese schrecklichen Probleme zu lösen, diese offenen Fragen zu lösen.
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Und wenn es darum geht, wie wir das alles herausfinden, ist es so, dass Daryl da ist, die Spieler versuchen, sich herauszufinden, wie sie sich dazu befinden, und die Liga-Office ist irgendwo anders. Gibt es einen Weg, Sendoh, um zu akzeptieren, dass ein wirklich optimales Ziel hier ist, dass alle auf das beste Ergebnis einverstanden sind, was Unterhaltung betrifft?
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Sendoh hatte einen Account auf RealGM. Auf der SIXERS-Message-Board, um dich sofort auszulösen?
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Es zeigt, dass diese Saison für die Sixers eine wirklich angenehme Saison sein wird.
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Aber das, was ich wirklich herausfinden wollte bei Sloane, noch pressiger gesagt, war eine Frage, zu der ich nicht eine gute Antwort hatte, habe ich bemerkt. Obwohl jeder immer über große Sprachmodelle spricht, wie Chat-GPT, und auch, wenn die Roboter endlich die Artifizierte Generelle Intelligenz erreichen werden, AGI, und, weißt du, denken, wie Menschen tatsächlich tun.
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Meine Kinder werden in den privaten Kindergarten gehen.
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Sendhil, wenn du andere Geniuses zerstören möchtest, bist du zufrieden.
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All das, um zu sagen, was ich heute herausfinden wollte, ist, was AI tatsächlich zu Sport macht, im Wesentlichen. Was ist das Signal hier, also die relevanten Informationen, die wir wissen sollten? Und was ist das Geräusch, das wir auslösen sollten?
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Aber ich möchte es zurückbringen. Das größere Bild, das wir hier sagen, ohne es zu sagen, ist, dass die Nerds gewonnen haben. Das ganze Debatte darüber, wann die Lakers bei Sloan aufstehen werden, was eine lange Zeit eine Heldin war, der letzte Halt dieser Konferenz, als das Basketball-Obs-Departement die Lakers war, vor zehn Jahren, dann kommt jeder.
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Ja, aber ich sage das, weil es sich um die... Distribution, the wide, broad access to LLMs, and I want to get to beyond LLMs in a second here, but when it comes to that, every team, even the most caveman old school team, having access to ostensibly an army of robot Daryls, isn't the person who should be worried the most is the guy who founded the conference.
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der als kompetitiver Vorteil dieses natürliche Wunsch und Fähigkeit und Karriere aufgemacht hat, Dinge zu tun, die man nicht nur automatisieren konnte. Soll Daryl, glaube ich, überrascht sein, Sendl? Ist das der Untertext hier, dass alle diese Geräte haben? Die kurze Antwort ist definitiv nicht.
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Sendal und ich haben uns über das Trauma gewöhnt, dass er gestern in seinem Büro nicht Ärzte geworden ist. Das ist wirklich so.
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Die Warnung, die ich euch geben muss, ist die gleiche Warnung, die ich unserem Live-Audienz in Boston gegeben habe, als ich Daryl und meinen anderen verehrten Gästen heute vorgestellt habe. Ein Mann namens Sendhil Mullenathan, der die perfekte Person ist, um uns zu befreien und dieses Thema zu demystifizieren. Das wird der nervigste Episode meines Shows sein.
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Hört sich das gut an? Ja, und Daryl, ich hatte die Gelegenheit, ich war beim Sixer-Seltics-Spiel mit dir, und ich war sehr interessiert, für diejenigen, die Larry Kuhn erinnern, Larry Kuhn, ein vertreterter Computer-Scientist, der den Seminal-Text für das Verständnis der NBA-Weltkampffrage, der NBA-Weltkampffrage FAQ, geschrieben hat. Larry war eine so geringe Ressource.
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Dieses Wissen war so gering, dass jeder diese Blogspot-Page konsultiert hätte.
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Ja, aber jetzt ist es ausdrücklich so, Warum kann ein LLM nicht das CBA analysieren und die Arbeiten der vielen Menschen, die in der Lage sind, mit Dokumente analysiert zu werden?
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Ich bin froh, alle hier zu hören und zu sehen. Ich vermute, es wird hier auf YouTube stattfinden. Und dann wirst du sehen, wie nervös Daryl Morey ist.
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Was du sagst, ist, dass der Fakt, dass es ein Sprachmodell ist, das uns zu uns spricht, uns ins Denken gefühlt hat, dass es eine Tiefe gibt, die nicht wirklich vorhanden ist. Das ist genau richtig.
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Aber ich möchte nur zu dem Job kommen. Okay, also es gibt Versionen von dem, was ich mir vorstelle, das CBA-Problem ist, wo es so ist, Could you have an LLM call a play and then you consult in the huddle? Okay, this is what our robot assistant coach is proposing. You have a person, check it. I can understand, they're at the table in every decision.
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But just the job, Daryl, of what it means to be a president of basketball operations, such that Sendhil has faith in your ability to persist past the broad access of everybody having these robot assistant GMs, coaches and everything else, Wie viel deiner Arbeit handelt es sich um zukünftige schlechte Ideen?
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Es ist legitimitär Spaß, hier zu sein, neben einem echten certifizierten Genius. Und auch ein Geschäftsführer, der sarcastisch genannt wird.
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I want to move beyond LLMs because I know so much of your research is not merely these chatbots that are, again, the talk of every conference you'll go to at this point. But it's also supervised learning and how to train these models once you now account for a more realistic version of what being an executive in sports would be like.
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Can you explain supervised learning and how your fandom of sports has led you to see sports through that lens?
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Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschämt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.
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Er hat sogar gesagt, wir. Aber er ist auf dem MacArthur-Foundation-Board. Ich meine, Sendles Bio, wir könnten nur sein Bio lesen. Aber nur, um dich aufzuhören, warum Daryl und ich uns beide sehr gespannt sind,
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Wie viel Parodie gibt es jetzt in Bezug auf die Daten, die die Teams haben?
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Die Frage ist, wenn jemand Sendl ansprechen würde und sagen würde, wir haben eure echten GM-Posts getestet und trotzdem denken wir, dass du der Chef-Intelligenz-Offizier für unsere NBA-Team sein sollst. Hast du einen Sinn dafür, was du tun würdest, je nachdem, was du jetzt studierst?
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sitting next to Sendl, MIT-Professor, splitting his time between electrical engineering and computer science and economics, focusing on the intersection, I guess, broadly speaking, of algorithms and people. Co-author of arguably the most highly cited economics paper in the 21st century on differences and differences estimation, which is a thing I definitely understand. You can subtract, right?
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Könntest du das erklären? Du hattest dieses Landtagsstudium von Juden und Beihilfen. Ich würde gerne, dass alle das kennenlernen, wie es ist, wenn du die Kamera auf einen Entscheidungserzeuger drückst.
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Aber kannst du erwähnen, welche Variablen das Ergebnis erzeugen?
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Und auch Landmark-Papiere über algorithmische Bias und Poverty im kriminellen Justizsystem. Und jetzt trainiert er sein Gehirn, sein menschliches Gehirn, auf Artificial Intelligence. Und auch Daryl ist hier. Also Daryl... Er tötet mich. Aber das Reservoir für Daryl ist... Es hat noch nicht gewonnen. Na ja. Historisch, richtig? Über 60 Prozent Gewinnrate als GM.
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Ist Daryl schuldig, Sandal, ist das, was wir fragen.
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Nein, das ist nicht das Gleiche. Es ist, ehrlich gesagt, überraschend, dass sie das nicht wussten. Wir würden das nicht entdecken, basierend auf unserer Vorbereitung für Bias.
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Wir sagen, was wir heute gefunden haben. Darryl, möchtest du anfangen? Können wir mit Sendl anfangen? Sendl, möchtest du anfangen?
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LeBron James liest die Kommentare, so wie Daryl Moore. Wir haben das diese Woche gelernt. Absolut.
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Ich habe herausgefunden, dass es eine Non-Zero-Chance gibt, dass Sendl dich online verletzt hat. Und gleichzeitig denkt er auch, dass wir uns in 15 Jahren darüber sprechen werden. Also, Sendl, Daryl, danke für das Zuhören. Danke, Pablo. Das war lustig.
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Dies ist jedoch, außer, ich weiß nicht, einem Akt von Gott oder dem Teufel, dein erstes Verlust-Saison, mit dem du kämpfst.
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Fühlst du dich auf der Bühne, hier auf der Bühne zu sein?
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Ich möchte dich interessieren... mit dir, wenn das so ist, wie ich mein eigenes Diplom verzeihe. Wie lange benutzt du große Sprachmodelle? Ich möchte zuerst damit beginnen. Und ich möchte auch die sehr grundlegende Prämisse erstellen, wie lange du sie benutzt hast. Und wie benutzt du AI in deinem Job als Präsident der Basketball-Operation aktuell? Wie sieht das aus?
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But just to be sort of, I don't know, top line here, when you're making a decision, and insert your favorite Sixers decision here, are you asking an LLM? für ihre Input? Zwei Antworten dazu.
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So I need to jump in at the top of this episode to give you a warning. A couple weeks ago I was asked if I wanted to record a live episode of this show at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. Das ist eine Konferenz, wenn ihr es nicht wisst, die an einem Lektionssaal an MIT begonnen hat, als ich es 16 Jahre hervorragte.
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Ich würde einfach NBA Central mögen, um zu aggregieren, was Daryl gerade gesagt hat, nämlich, dass er Chat-GPT für Hilfe auf dem Markt fragt. Please not aggregate. I'm just trying to pay for my kids' tuition, Daryl. Sendl, eine Teil der größeren Gespräche hier, ich war in San Francisco für All-Star-Weekend. Das Wort Cloud über All-Star-Weekend war Artificial Intelligence, war AGI.
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Speziell Artificial General Intelligence. Deine Meinung, aber, auf die Ambition von AGI, wie ein Mensch zu denken. Es klingt wie was zu dir, nach deiner Forschung.
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Wie viele von euch haben alle 30 von den Büchern gelesen? Nein, ich habe nur einen gelesen und das ist seltsam. Ich habe gerade herausgefunden, dass es 30 Bücher gibt.
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Aber schnell wurde es in ein Konventionenzentrum in Boston gewechselt, aufgrund der Tausende und Tausende von Leuten, die tatsächlich gehen wollten. Und viele dieser Leute, jährlich, sind die stärksten Menschen in Sporten an diesem Punkt.
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Wir sprechen von League-Kommissionen, Billionär-Händlern, Barack Obama in einem Jahr, fast jeder berufliche Team-Exekutiver in amerikanischen Sporten und darüber hinaus zeigt sich auf. Aber derjenige, der über all das leidet, der Co-Founder der Konferenz, ist Daryl Morey.
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Einer der tollsten Art-of-Art für alles. Ein Mensch plus ein Computer sind die größten Kombinationen von einfachen Menschen und Computern. Sie waren die besten.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I wanted to talk about this Elon story. The video game story?
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So there are many ways to talk about Elon right now, and many of them are valid, and all of them have to do largely with him now running the federal government and cutting budget to, like, people who need medicine for AIDS.
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I believe that that is a valid method of talking about Elon Musk. But a more, I think, directly informative and illuminating one has to do with the story about video games.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's right.
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Yeah, he claimed to be one of the top 20 Diablo players in the world. The forest mage. And he had just become, as of November 2024, the number one player in the world, according to these leaderboards, with millions of people on them. He then proceeded to brag about how he then became a top-ranked player in a different game, a game known as PoE.
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which stands for Path of Exile, Path of Exile 2 in this case. And this got the attention of some hardcore PoE players who were like, what's going on here? How is the world's richest man who is also running the federal government and is involved in electric cars and rockets and space and hyper-fast internet connectivity, how does he have the time to...
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that is actually required to get highly ranked in these games. So what happens is Elon goes live, he streams himself playing POE 2, and these people, these streamers, who are actual, like, hardcore experts and players, are watching.
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And they're like, something isn't adding up. Elon does not seem to know what he's doing.
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The best part is that he's bragging about all of this. He's bragging about how he had this post on X in which he said, quote, so many life lessons to be learned from speed running video games on max difficulty teaches you to see the matrix rather than simply exist in the matrix. End quote. Yo, I think this guy sucks.
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Do we think a person, there's a person who invented the mirror? As opposed to? A discovery?
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So all of these people begin picking up on Reddit. They start compiling this dossier and they're like, okay, he doesn't know how to use a mana flask, which is very embarrassing, obviously.
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He's picking items up by dragging them into his inventory manually. Right. He is struggling to understand why he cannot pick up an item when his inventory is full. And he has, maybe indictingly, on his account, he has a tab for his maps called Elon's Map. which is a weird thing to call it when you have all of the maps. Why wouldn't it just be maps?
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And so what it turns out to be is, of course, a giant series of lies in which he has hired people to play the game for him. And he just lied about all of it.
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Great question, Michael. So what happens is, Zach Hoyt, a popular gaming streamer known as Asmongold, he said that this is, I mean, part of the crime here is that if you're really into video games, this is horrifically dangerous. embarrassing. The whole point is that you're actually, like, there spending time in the trenches playing these games.
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Of a thing that had already existed.
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He's the one who said that Musk was insecure and lying about this. It's a truly sad day for gamers. And Elon Musk said in a since-deleted post that, quote, he had been on hundreds of streams playing live with the world's best players, and that it was Zach Hoyt, in fact, who was not good at video games. He's good. My critic is bad.
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And then he took Zach Hoyt's blue check away, naturally.
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But then, finally, as people began to assemble yet more and more evidence, evidence that he, in fact, was doing something that's very common, which is paying other people to level up your character. Elon has to do an interview. And in that interview with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, He confesses, finally. But as a video game enthusiast, Katie, let's talk about the sin involved here.
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So this is why I love this story is because it is deeply symptomatic of a larger character. And the character is the guy to Katie's point. Who's like, Deeply, deeply unworried that all of the morons out there are ever gonna catch on.
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He does not respect you. Like, look at his accounts. Like, the way he handles any conversation about anything... is reflective of somebody who just doesn't respect the people reading.
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So eventually what happens, because Elon Musk tries to deny and counter insult and spin, and then he ends up getting in a conversation with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, and NicoRex asks him, point blank, quote, have you ever level boosted, parentheses, had someone else play your accounts, in parentheses, and or purchased gear slash resources for PoE 2 and Diablo 4?
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Justus von Liebig.
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And Musk says, 100 emoji, 100. It's impossible to beat players in Asia if you don't.
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He says all top characters require multiple people playing the account to win a leveling race. He is continuing to now... By the way, he also says, he's asked, would you apologize to the PoE2 community? And he says, what would I be apologizing for? And I'm just like...
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Is credited with inventing the silvered glass mirror. In what year do you think this was? 1800. Eustace? Teen. German chemist.
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You're the worst guy on the team. He is telling us now officially that he is lying and cheating about wildly small stakes stuff. Right. That isn't actually important to his fortunes, literally speaking. And so the question I have whenever it comes to like, so what do you think of this guy is like, just know he's that guy.
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What else is that guy doing when it comes to stuff that actually does have consequences?
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What is not in dispute is that it becomes puffier.
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This is the AI overview.
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Just like labia puffiness.
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And there's like a score. Right. This is the headline from the New York Post. Labia puffing is the latest NSFW cosmetic trend. Quote, I'm getting turned on just looking at myself.
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End quote. So that was said by a patient, according to this person, whose last name is Milhouse, which I appreciate. Milhouse... Is, hold on, is good.
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So God only knows.
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Behold. Where were you 10 years ago?
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Scrotox is a cosmetic procedure that involves injecting Botox into the scrotum. Is this also in the New York Post? For what?
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Well, according to this Healthline.com story, which I believe is a real publication, but may not be, frankly, scrotox was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue.
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I've had some TMJ.
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It was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue. Sure. Since 2016, thereabouts, more and more people are trying it out to purportedly make their sacks bigger and their sex better. I'm getting the science. I'm under Healthline's authority that I thought it was going to be. Sacks bigger and sex better? What doctor?
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Journalistically speaking, not sure their sacks bigger.
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I'm not reading an abstract. This is David Schlong. This is not helping my journalistic.
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Can you explain Matt Reif's.
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Very good. Very good.
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The price is wrong. 1835. That's what I said.
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But this doctor had claimed something. Yes. That he had created for a quote unquote canceled celebrity. The greatest jawline ever seen. And this is a thing. The greatest jawline is an aspiration. Michael, how would you describe what the aesthetic is?
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Right. $12,000 for a hyper-masculine jawline. A real bargain.
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That's what the scrotum said and look what happened.
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To get hyper-masculine jaw.
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So this is where I believe there's a through line that connects us through our topics today. I love those. I love those. Because the hyper-masculine jawline I would use to point to In the barbershop of jawlines is Tom Brady. Oh, I'm sorry.
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But you wouldn't have needed any of that.
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But we saw him.
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I don't know if he had that, but in terms of just like somebody who is tweaking himself in ways that are conspicuous. He's been tweaked for sure. For sure he's been tweaked. Now, did he get what Dr. Benjamin Coughlin said? aforementioned, alleged, maybe, maybe not, Matt Reif, plastic surgeon. Did he get the Benjamin Coughlin face BBL? Oh my God.
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Which moves fat from one part of the face to the other. 41% of his clients these days, his patients, are male.
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Yeah, I'm going to break my legs and have rods inserted into them to become taller.
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Can I read you this headline from New York Magazine, June 3rd, 2016? Yes. Chad Ochocinco says he's packing a three-inch penis.
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That's from 2016, you said?
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Let me give you some fine print on Eustace von Liebig in 1835. Okay. A discovery by the great German chemist Eustace von Liebig in 1835 made mirrors widely available. Liebig found a way to coat glass with a thin layer of metallic silver... by depositing the metal directly by means of a chemical reaction. So when it comes to the question, according to McGill University's page, how are mirrors made?
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What verb would you prefer he use? He is... In possession of?
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He is unburdened by... He is protecting.
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What did we find out today on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out about apparently three-inch penises?
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I think that's true. I co-sign that. I found out that... Oh, oh. Say it. Yeah, good. This is good. When I look at my scrotum later today... Which everyone does at 7 p.m. I know who to thank for the mirror I'm standing in front of.
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The answer is Eustace von Liebig, 1835, discovered that sh**.
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What was the Super Bowl like for you guys? Did you guys?
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Why did you go?
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I think this is coming out of an episode that we did committing to going to parties.
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Undoubtedly.
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We get shade of your glasses?
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Right.
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So I have been to a Super Bowl. I went to the Atlanta Super Bowl. It was the Patriots-Rams. It sucked.
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It was like 10 to 13 or whatever it was.
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Yeah, I remember sitting there, falling asleep during the game.
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And saying aloud at one point, I missed the commercials.
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I assume that Michael Cruz-Cain's Super Bowl party is mostly him singing snippets from Maroon 5.
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I texted you guys for, I think, what is obvious to anybody who has seen us previously on this program, cover a truly insanely developing story.
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Jordan. Jordan.
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I believe that we need proof that she isn't. Based on the rapid ascent.
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That's with the Super Bowl. How would you summarize the Dunkin' commercial, the franchise that this now is, I guess, for people who are not seeing this?
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Orange jumpsuit. Apparel, jumpsuit.
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I mean, I just want to point this out, right? Like her being in the Super Bowl commercial with Bill Belichick in this premise where it's like, we're the Boston Avengers and she's just there.
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It made me very curious.
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She's from the New England area. Again, a former competitive cheerleader. We're like 10 minutes away from her being a quarterback's coach at UNC.
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Bridgewater State University in Massachusetts. She's like a baller cheerleader. She's real good. She won a natty.
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Which is to say, look, Jordan has accomplished plenty in her own life. Sure. But in this context, and like, why, how did she make it into the commercial?
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It set me off on a bit of a mini reporting trail. Okay, what'd you get? Okay, here we go. What I've been told is that Jordan essentially has been functioning as Bill Belichick's... Momager? No. That is so much better than what I was going to say. But she has represented herself essentially as his de facto agent.
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What's your glasses cleaning move? Oh, just rubbing it against straight dry. Is this not right? Just real dry.
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The person who you need to go through to book Bill Belichick for a Super Bowl commercial or for the other commitments he has as a multi-platform personality. She's the gateway. And so in this case, what I have been told reliably is that Jordan happened to then use that power to be in the commercial as well. So again, more power to her, I guess, but she's a momager.
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Jordan is, Katie, I think you had it right. She's Bill's momager.
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I fog it up.
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AD for Brady has been outclassed by 24 for, I can't make this rhyme, but for Bill Belichick.
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The human body has its own Amazon device.
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She wasn't chaperoning that story.
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But I think the point should not be lost that Bill Belichick is doing literally the opposite of what he used to do.
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You fog it up.
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I'm not in my spot. Using the temperature of the human body and then you wipe it down. It has its own Amazon device.
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I feel like he has his faculties.
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He has his wits about him.
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Do we agree as a show, as previously established, that we should be able to sit in chairs that are turned the other way, like on The Voice, and listen to... I think about this all the time now.
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Just talk. Just talk. Just talk, and then we can press a button and flip around to approve or not.
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Is it always the same driver in Uber, or is it different guys?
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The three of us are here ready to rock. An awards show. I do like that the NFL was like, we need an Academy Awards.
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I love it. I love... So silly. I have, of course, a tortured relationship with winning awards in general. We need and desperately crave external validation.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out
House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours.
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I just like the idea of just like it's you and a bunch of people throwing some stuff.
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So of all- So you're being tested.
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Wait, just to explain this though. So Tom Brady would tank a throw to test you whether you're paying attention. Yes.
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And then I went blank. The world is waiting for this, obviously.
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What's the biggest difference between a baseball player and a football player? What came to how you learned about their wiring and their methods?
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Someone's not trying to actively murder them at the moment.
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Is that right?
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Why are they afraid of the baseball?
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I mean, I'm old enough now, Tom, to regard that as nuts. It's crazy. 94 is the resting. That's mediocrity.
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Did you ever think that we'd get to a place where, I'm looking at, again, the statistics here, that five pitchers last season would average 100 miles an hour?
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What does it mean?
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So myelination, I am now realizing when you say myelination, it is not referring to mile as in mile per hour. It is M-Y-E-L-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Exactly. The process of forming a protective insulating layer called myelin around nerve fibers in the central and peripheral nervous systems, obviously. Yeah.
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Is velocity at this point, now that it is achievable in ways and to a frequency that is kind of mind-blowing, does it feel like it's overrated?
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The ceiling, though, is 118.
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Yeah.
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Did you ever do steroids, Tom?
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Yeah, I was going to say, let's turn the camera around the other way now. You're at the plate.
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You're moving faster than your brain can actually articulate the thought.
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Just fact-checking Greg Maddox, for instance, a guy you worked with who is famed as the craftiest.
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Right. So the Randy Johnson thing, just as a matter of comparison, right? His whole architectural advantage is that he could release the ball because of his height and his wingspan closer to home plate.
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Yeah, various pitchers as well as birds learned that.
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So when it comes to the competitive advantage that arises or diminishes when everybody's throwing faster and faster, and Greg Maddox, for all of his craft, is glacial in comparison, what does this say about the future of the soft tosser? You coached Jamie Moyer.
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She's his bodyguard at that moment.
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So the innings eater is suddenly even more valuable now.
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Exactly. I didn't realize that. The guy there with the long hair and the big 70s goggles on. Shooter's glasses. Shooter's glasses. Did that guy have a sense that he would become the greatest authority, the greatest, most respected thinker and coach on the subject of throwing things in the history of sports?
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You turn Tim Tebow into a baseball player.
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Regrets, reflections.
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What did you learn working with him about what it means to do your job?
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Could you turn someone like Lamar Jackson into a pitcher?
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So the similar question, right, of could you turn Paul Skeens into a quarterback?
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No. But he throws a football. Of course he does. As part of his training program. This is a speed round now. Do you think Shohei Ohtani should keep pitching?
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No?
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What are you seeing there?
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But the pleasure, did you watch him and- With awe. Self-evidently, unprecedented. Right. But you're saying- for his own long-term interest.
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So I'm just going to assume that you have no clue who the man I'm talking to is. But what I need you to understand is that to be a quarterback or a pitcher at the highest possible level is all about precision physics under public pressure, which is, in other words, a marriage between mechanics and mind.
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So by this point, I think it's clear that I could talk to Dr. Tom House and mine his brain for takes on the future of sports for an extraordinarily long time. Tom, the more I think about it, was a pioneer. He was using science and regressions and video analysis to evolve the art of throwing, melding it truly with rigorous psychological study, turning it all into a science
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And all this was decades before the value of that scientific analysis became self-evident and omnipresent in some form all across sports. But the skill Tom has that is even more rare, the skill that so many data nerds still can't hack their way around, is the thing that I consider his real gift. The gift of communication.
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It's his ability to articulate what is in his head to others, to really connect with the people who are searching for his wisdom, me included. And Tom's future in that regard is something that I wanted to find out about too. How did you discover that you had Parkinson's?
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I like the idea of your brain being trained on that problem.
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And so when the best throwers in the world need help with that marriage, what they do is make a house call. Because Dr. Tom House is the only psychologist who is also a major leaguer and also the author of 22 books.
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You're 77 now?
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Okay. Happy early birthday. Thank you. I believe that if you have just listened to this interview, you would not have necessarily known that you have been handling Parkinson's for 18 years.
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But I read at one point, it was an interview you gave in August, 2021, that you were preparing to go on vacation for the first time in your life.
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No, Tom, the ability that you have to explain complicated things, recall ancient things, and then look into the future is a rare thing.
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So at the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, Tom House, what did you find out today?
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A man whose clientele spans both football and baseball, from Tom Brady to Greg Maddux to Drew Brees to Nolan Ryan to Andrew Luck to Randy Johnson to Tim Tebow and on and on and on and on. And typically, Tom House is a background character in the lives of these very famous people, not unlike that video of Hank Aaron that we showed you.
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Dr. Tom House, you know how to coach someone up, even podcasters.
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You're our guy now.
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What are they going to do to me? That's the attitude you have to have. What a goddamn delight.
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For instance, you may have missed Tom House being name-checked by Eli Manning when Eli went viral for imitating the hip thrust routine of Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott on ESPN.
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That's the Tom House stuff. Here, I'll show you, Peyton. It's about creating torque, right? It's about creating, you close the left hip, open up that right hip, close the left shoulder, open up the hip.
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When I touched base with Tom recently while I was out in LA, what I found out immediately was that Dr. Tom House is in a different mood these days. At age 77, he is finally ready to fire off some takes.
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And so what I wanted to do today was climb into Tom House's brain. I wanted to find out why all of these elite athletes, including the kids, continue to trust this weird PhD who likes teaching his pitchers to throw footballs, for instance, and whose own fastball, if it can even be called that, could not crack 85 miles an hour at Tom's peak.
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Oh, man.
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The superlative, Tom. The superlative that you deserve is the foremost expert on throwing in the world. I do, though, before we get to throwing, want to start with a time you caught something. Okay. And as a way of introducing you, I presume you have a general guess as to which day of your life.
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That's like having Michelangelo come by and say, by the way, you're pretty good with this paintbrush.
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What was the moment in your career when you began to think, this isn't working out for me the way that I hoped it would?
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Yeah.
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Yankee.
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There's a quote from Don Zimmer, manager of the Red Sox, your old boss. He said, quote, I think a lot of his problems were mental. He wanted so much to do well for us, it seemed as though the harder he tried, the worse he got.
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So you get a PhD in sports psychology after you retire from baseball. Right. Your career as a left-handed pitcher professionally is done. You go to grad school. And that part, you had what kind of reaction from your folks?
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I want to speed run through a very long and colorful and frankly insane career. But you get to the Rangers, you get the position fundamentally of guy who's supposed to help these pitchers learn how to throw. And you do weird shit.
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The throwing the football thing. The idea that here were the Texas Rangers looking like morons throwing a football on the field before games.
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What flipped? When did that begin to get buy-in from both the team that you worked for and then broadly yourself?
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To look at Nolan Ryan's statistics on baseball reference now is to be reminded what the last five years of his career looked like. And it's to marvel at how the f*** he got better.
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I don't have Nolan Ryan as the guy being like, I would like the PhD nerd with the glasses to tell me how to do my job.
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So the guy who was at home plate with those glasses wears these goggles in this role, but now you're Professor Gadget.
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That's what they called you. Yeah. And so it's the biomechanical stuff, it's... The footage you were collecting, the analysis you were doing, the regressions that you were running. This was the 80s and you were doing this.
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I understand that if you're going to trace this, right, Nolan Ryan to Randy Johnson, and you go down the line, and your tentacles extend all throughout Major League Baseball. And I understand how that happened now. When does the football thing at the highest level become another part of your business?
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Yeah, my guy.
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Castle.
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Yes, it was a, we used to go to this place called, geez, what is it? It was a real, The Pump. I've been to The Pump. You have? I have. Is it still around? Yeah. Oh, way to go, Pump. The Pump energy food.
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That's right. So Eric Slovin, he had ordered this meal for like late night and I came in and I...
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I forget why but I had a $20 bill out and he took the $20 bill and went to his window and said and threw my $20 bill down which was really funny and but he so he's watching it he's like haha and it's fluttering down I don't remember I'm sure that I deserved for that $20 bill to go down there even just for just being kind of annoying walking into the room and so he's watching the thing flutter down and while he's
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he's doing that i had grabbed his meal and just dropped it out and it kind of he had to realize like, oh, that's my freaking omelet that's going down. No. So the way it's always told is that I just callously threw out his omelet.
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This was me evening the score. This was justice. Guilty as charged. Yeah, with, yes. It was justice.
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That's also Slovan, and that was way before all this stuff. So I don't do a lot of manscaping, so I have a pretty full jungle in my nether regions. And so at some point, I just took a bunch, I cut off a bunch of my pubic hair, and I sprinkled it all over his keyboard just to bug him. For a little surprise when he came back in the room. And he... Slovan is amazing.
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I surprised him. Yeah, I was up there in New York and we finished it like... 10 so I just got in the car and I think I got there at 11 30 and I said I or maybe even midnight I said I can only stay for a half hour and I did I stayed and did a karaoke song you uh very memorably uh duetted with Jason Luther Vandross always and forever right
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So he just... He just... Deadpan just came in. You could tell there was some... A little... Curbed anger. He was holding it in check and he just... undid his keyboard and came over and brought it over to my keyboard and then undid that. And then, you know, we had a keyboard swap. Look, I don't stand by this stuff. It's not. It was stuff we did.
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I look back now and I'm like, oh, I have two daughters and they're going to, you know, at some point listen to this and go like, what?
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Yeah. Yeah, I did. I think everybody has their lane i'd rather have less people like it more than more people liking it but like yeah i like that i'd rather people go like i love that but like one out of every 10 people so yeah i got it from being charitable to myself say like i love that you know as opposed to like you know six people saying like yeah he's good he's he's fine
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The dance wasn't even part of it. At the very last minute, all credit to John Lutz, because we're about to turn this in, and he's like, yeah, at the table read tomorrow, maybe dance during the music? Like, are we just going to sit there? And he's like, do a little dance or something. So I'm like, oh, okay. It was like... It's so crazy to think back now because that whole thing. The whole idea.
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Peyton is so funny in that and says so much funny stuff. But without that dance.
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You would think. But that's that place. Such a collaborative place. The potato chip sketch, if you ever saw it. Have you seen that one? Yeah. But explain it, please. This was a sketch that me and John Solomon wrote. This was one of those examples I was going to say about one that kind of just flowed out.
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John Solomon was writing with somebody, so it's getting later and later, and soon it's 6 in the morning, 6.30 in the morning. And at like 7 in the morning, he's like, all right, what do you want to do? And I had had this little idea that I had recorded into my phone that was just like...
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And so he's like, oh, that's really stupid. So basically, it's really hard to describe the sketch. It's basically that voice of that guy right there works at NASA.
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And Jason Sudeikis comes in, the best way to describe him is like a Colonel Sanders-looking guy with the voice of Foghorn Leghorn.
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And he's interviewing to be an astronaut. And it's just... the most bonkers sketch. And I leave the room. I warn him not to touch my potato chips. He eats a potato chip. I come back in. I catch him. And we just get into this insane fight.
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We just basically did stream of consciousness writing. We knew immediately when we're like, we're like, okay, what should we do? Interior NASA. And it's like, and John's like, yeah, logical.
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But then a kind of recent one that is one of our anchors now is Shallow.
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That's a really cool way to put it. When we did MacGruber, it was the exact movie we wanted to make. I mean, little things here and there. If the budget was bigger, we could have done a couple things that we didn't get a chance to do. Then we get it exactly the way we want it, We're so excited about it, so proud of it. And then it just sh** the bed so hard. And it was really tough.
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It's hard for your brain not to go like, oh, I agree with the movie-going public who didn't go to see this. They got to know more than we do. Yeah, exactly.
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My mom, and we just talked about this the other day, lost friends. Who she, you know, she's like being a good mom and saying, Willie's movie comes out. And she lost some friends who just couldn't be friends with her anymore. By the way, I think that that was a good paring down process.
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Yeah, but more than that, just like my mom had nothing to do with that. She was just being a good mom supporting her son.
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It's a full-on love letter to all the 80s action movies that John and Jorma and I and everybody of our era grew up watching. You know, Uncommon Valor. Roadhouse, I know. So many movies went in because they all share this. So we're just like, we're just having fun doing our versions of the movies that we love to see. And we're like, and at the heart of it is this dipshit.
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I mean, the jerk is, I think, my all-time comedy movie favorite. And maybe all-time Jaws is up there. I love Jaws. Raises a lost ark. But that's a real compliment.
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So like trying to hit that, oh man, I have shredded so many people's eardrums trying to hit that note. I mean, my version of hitting it is just like bunting the ball.
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By the way, the celery scene, my mom came that day to watch us film. So she, the night before, she called up and said, she was there with two friends, and these weren't the two friends that she lost. She was there the night before and she said, so honey, we're going to come to the set in the morning and then we're going to go to Santa Fe. And I said, well, let me pitch this.
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Why don't you go to Santa Fe in the morning and then come to the set when you get back? Because I knew that this freaking celery scene was up. And she's like, let me check with Barbara and Marsha. So she calls them and she says, no, we're going to come in the morning. So I'm like, all right. You know, I think I warned her.
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But anyway, so we're doing this celery scene, which for those who have not seen the movie, is basically I'm creating a distraction to try to let Ryan Phillippe's character take out these snipers. And so what I chose as a distraction is dancing around naked with a piece of celery in my butt.
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So she just watched me take after take, you know, dancing around with celery in my butt. How many takes, roughly, would you say, Barbara? I mean, you've got to do this angle, and then you got closer and closer. So I'm probably out there for, you know... two hours doing it, I would guess. Something like that.
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So anyway, at a certain point, I just, I remember looking over and my mom, my mom is just the most supportive, best person. My dad too. My whole family. Very lucky. But my mom was there just smiling. You know, I can't, you know, she might have even waved and then I just saw her two friends right behind her kind of horrified.
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all three of us, John and German, I all kind of enjoy the, you know, doing stuff for a little longer than people feel comfortable with. And so it was, the editing process was like, that was tough. All three of us, I think I wanted it, you know, double the length. It was, and then, and, you know.
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It's like, man. I think what ended up turning into what we, we finally agreed on, on that length. And, and, uh, but, but yeah, and then the, so Kristen, oh man, God bless her. You know, she's, it was very hot. It was the summer in New Mexico. I'm a sweater. I'm not really a sweater unless I get active and moving around, and then I just can't stop sweating.
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So she, if you look, I mean, there's so much stuff that we cut around that was just like somebody's pouring a bucket of water on her.
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she for those who haven't seen the movie this is i'm i'm feeling really guilty i've just had sex with vicky who was casey maya rudolph's character's best friend yes but casey was dead so i went to the i go to the cemetery to apologize to casey's gravestone and she shows up in ghost form and then my apology to her turns romantic and we start having sex.
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So, and then it just pushes to me like fully naked and she's sitting on this headstone with no back support or anything and she's eight months pregnant. So, like, I have like a little thing covering my genitals but I'm completely naked besides that. Wow.
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I mean, she's a total pro and we've known each other forever, so... She was, it didn't feel like that was like emotionally uncomfortable for either of us, but physically, basically anything's uncomfortable when you're eight months pregnant. And this position she was in, I think was very uncomfortable.
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And here I'm, you know, like, then like it's, so anyway, they would have a stand-in who would come in every once in a while for the shots we could get away with to like, you know, to give this poor woman a rest. And then we had to do it so that you can see Brandon Trost, our cinematographer, his dad...
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comes by he's like a person picking up trash in the park for some reason at 2 in the morning and his point of view then is me just having sex with the air and so Jorma for that one I remember he so I'm having sex and this thing it's because of where I'm at every thrust the only way my body stops is is by knocking right at this level of my shins into this gravestone. So it's very painful.
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And it's going on for, you know, a minute. And then I'm like, you know, it's from behind. So I'm like... All right, you guys, how are we doing? It's very painful. You know, trying not to move my mouth. And they just keep going. Soon, I just hear them laughing because they were just, they had gotten it so long before, but they just wanted to make me keep doing it. Commitment. F***ers. Commitment.
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It's very funny because it's like, you know, she must be like 16 now. And I do, I haven't seen her in a while, but I did do something for, I think it was, at some point I saw Maya and her and like, it just kind of, almost inappropriate to bring it up because at the time she was probably 12. So, you know, trying to, it's kind of funny to us, like, oh, this is the one who was in it.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
And it's like, you can't really say, yeah, this was, yeah, I was like, you know, you heard how I just explained it. That's not something you tell to, like, this probably was now, I think about seven years ago or something. And so she would have been nine or something. Oh my God. We'll save it for her 21st birthday.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
I remember how blown away we were Then for him to be a part of it. Then you go through the whole experience and you just get to know the guy. Then soon it's like, oh, this is just my buddy Val. It's so weird that then you just forget because he's such a part of your life that then when he sadly passed away, you see all these things and you're like, oh, that's right.
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Yeah, so he was selling his place in New Mexico, and he was trying to find a new place. He was living in a place in Malibu, but having a dispute with his landlord. So he was trying to find a new place in Malibu, and he had had a party, and he invited me and my girlfriend at the time. And so we were over there, and he said, Hey, I'm getting a new place. Can I stay with you forever?
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For a couple days, I think he said for a couple days. However he phrased it made me think that it was going to be a couple days until I can lock down this new place. And I said, yeah, of course, great. So this was a Saturday, and Monday he shows up. And then that afternoon, his assistant came with carrying two just enormous duffel bags filled with books. And I was like...
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Oh, this is not, this is a bad sign. I mean, not a bad sign because it's a different sign. He's here for the longer haul. I don't think two days is what it's going to be. Because it just turned into this amazing, delightful thing that I look back on with so much joy. Like he's so many fun stories. But man, I just will never forget the stuff that he was just a
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
It was a delight to get to have that experience with him. There was one day I will say that just as I was saying earlier, he just becomes Val and becomes your buddy. There was this day where we were sitting around the dining room table and he started listening to these Doors songs through his speakers. And I was a big Doors fan growing up, so we both started singing these songs together.
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And then it kind of dawned on me as we're going through, just remembering that Doors movie and how... special that was. And I was at UCLA at the time, and I think they were looking for extras. And I was going to Alaska for the summer or something, so I couldn't do it. But I just remembering like, oh my God, this is this guy that I idolized growing up.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
And one of the reasons I did was for this role, he's sitting right there and I'm getting to sing this with him. And this is a guy who I'm buddies with now. You know, it's just like, it kind of sunk in just how... how special an experience it is and just how funny life is and like, you know, a lot of messages. Take a moment to smell the roses type stuff.
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But yeah, he was a special, unique, there is nobody like that guy.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Yeah, he was getting together his Mark Twain show. So he was watching. A lot of times I'd come back, and all the lights in the house would be off, and he would just be in his little guest bedroom, and the door was cracked a little bit, and I'd just see a little light coming out, not from the lights, but either it would be coming from one of two things.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
One, he'd be reading a book, and he'd have like a little miner's, lamp exactly yeah and he would use that to read and so that was one way the other way was he was going through um a big 30 rock kick he loved the show 30 rocks so he he watched that a bunch and so i would just see him you know with a little tablet or whatever whatever it was a dvd player probably at the time so i
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Having been a part of 30 Rock, they asked me to do one of the DVD commentaries. And I said, you know what? Val Kilmer is living with me right now and he loves the show. Would you ever want us to do it together? And they're like, of course. So anyway, I just tell him, you know, meet me at this place. And freaking Val shows up dressed as Mark Twain.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
He's just been like walking around the streets of the Third Street Promenade. That's Mark Twain. And it was just like that kind of stuff. You just never knew what was going to happen. He was fearless and fun. And he had this way of communicating. He would be like mock serious, but also so silly at the same time. It was just... A real loss. I'm still mad that you guys didn't do the amazing race.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
That was for people who don't know that. I used to watch The Amazing Race back then. So he comes in, he's like, what are you doing? This reality TV stuff is going to rot your brain. You got to turn this off. And I'm like, I think you might like this if you give it a chance. So check it out. So he's like, all right.
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He kind of begrudgingly sits down on the couch and got very into it to the point that at the end of the episode, he's like, we got to do The Amazing Race. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's do it. And then we both called our our reps the next day. And it was a resounding no from all of them. They're like, no, you crazy.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
So anyway, when he passed, I called my agent back and I was kind of reminding him like, yeah, at some point we were going to go on that amazing race together. That's, you know, and he said, he was like, oh, that'd be awesome. It's too bad you didn't do that. I'm like, what? You're the dude who told us not to do it. I remember that.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
But I do look back now and, you know, sometimes you just gotta just do it. Because that's one I think we should have done. My God. My God. Look, I am... As I said before, you go through these junkets and you think back on your past. And it's like, I'm the luckiest guy on the earth. I got to... You go into comedy... Going to the ground links, it's like, I just want to be on SNL.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
That's what I want. And then I... Letterman wasn't even a part of it. And then all of a sudden, my two dreams would be write at Letterman, be at SNL. I got to write at Letterman. Then I got to be on SNL for eight years. And when I left SNL, MacGruber bombed at the box office. I was not like this... I wasn't leaving... Like, oh, this guy's a sure thing to get any job ever again.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Like, I was aware that that might have been the last acting job I had. And then just somehow it was like blessing after blessing. Nebraska came out of nowhere. And then that led to Last Man on Earth. You know, looking back, I would have never seen myself, you know,
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
being 15 years after leaving SNL, being on a podcast, well, podcast didn't really exist, but to talk about a project I'm in currently with Tina Fey and Steve Carell and Coleman Domingo.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Look, that MacGruber family, it is a family. And they're all people that I love so dearly. Would love to do another MacGruber if somebody would give us a chance. I would doubt that anybody would, but I would jump at it.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Man, you brought it full circle. Thank you. Thank you for all the kind words. That's really, really, it makes me feel good.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
My SNL audition, I was writing at the 70s show at the time. and loved writing at that show. We had just gotten picked up for two years, which is unheard of. I had been on a series of shows that had gotten canceled after 13 episodes. So this was the first time that I felt real job security So, when I did this grounding show, there was a hiatus period in between seasons, and I did a grounding show.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Lorne came, and he asked, I think, four of us to come out and audition. And I was like... I can't do it. I'm under contract for 70s show. I think it was just, well, I know I was just terrified of it. Like, I don't want to go. That sounds so scary. Anyway, eventually he talked me into going. The people at 70s show were super cool about it.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
So I went over, did the audition, which was Tim Calhoun, which I did on the show a little bit. I am Tim Calhoun, and I am running for the office of President of America. I did a speed reader, which I also did on the show.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
And I did a couple impersonations, Michael McDonald and Martin Sheen, both of them very bad impersonations. And then this thing, it was the gold man, which was something that I did at the Groundlings for, it was something that was very dirty. This is an NC-17 show when it needs to be for the record here.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
So this is a guy, one of those guys, you've seen people on the streets who are, you know, dressed in all gold or all silver. Well, this one was all gold and he doesn't move. And then you put something in the jar and then they do, you know, a couple moves and then freeze again until somebody puts more money in. So my thing was, this guy gets his money stolen.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Somebody takes all the money out, but they're not putting money in. so he can't move. And he has to wait until somebody else puts money in and then he tries to find out where the person is and they're long gone. So he's up there and then a bunch of people crowd around him like, why is the gold man so sad?
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Yo! How you doing? Dude. Just washed my hands. Good to see you, how you doing? Sorry, I like him.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
And I walked up to Lauren, and I didn't know what to say, so I said, sorry for all the c**ks. And then I got the job.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
We started a couple weeks ago. Yeah. And did a big junket. And then we last week did the premiere and I did a Kimmel. And when we were working on this, we were doing it in like Beacon, New York. So when I saw you, that was why I only came down for a half hour because I came straight from work and had to go back.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
One of the people I still consider to be, you know, he's, if not the funniest person alive, he's in the top three tied for funniest person alive. There's nobody funnier than him.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Yeah, it's like this went beyond a political impression for me. But you have, like, I get it. Like, it's... You have to have somebody doing George Bush on SNL.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
We got to get someone to do this. I don't agree that I was the right person for that, but I, you know, it was my, God, I think it was my second year when they came and asked, me to do it. And so, A, I'm terrified. It's not my strong suit, any impersonation. I've since found out that I can do a Kermit the Frog, and I think that's it. Can we hear Kermit the Frog? Kermit the Frog here.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
But everybody can do a Kermit the Frog. I mean, a pretty good version of it.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
I just remembered the first time I did it, I think it was just saying it was hard.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
I think Loren knew that I didn't like doing it. I think it was best for the show. Sudeikis, he's just really good at those things.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
I will say I do think that was a big part of it because in the early going when I was given this Bush assignment, I would... usually be in these cold opens as Bush. And then basically it's like, oh, Forte's taken care of. He's got his Bush. And it's like, no, I don't want to be doing that. I'll do it if I have to. But it's nothing like the stuff that I do. I was sucking for face paint before.
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Will Forte Commits to the Bit
Yeah, it's just like weird, absurd stuff I like. And because of the Bush stuff, I very rarely got a chance to try those things out. So once I was free of the Bush thing, which was, I remembered hearing that, and it was like 99%. yes, oh, I'm free, I'm free. And then 1% of like, oh, he didn't like me. You know, you can't help but know that like, oh, that means I wasn't doing great.
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But it was way more the other side of it. Like, oh, I'm finally free. And then, yeah, a little bit at a time got to start doing the kind of stuff that I like to do.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. Right after this ad.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
And John, sort of like, very blasé. Like, no, I'm good.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
And so me and John, that's my signal. Door is open. Time to start talking.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
John turns out, yes, he's in his 80s. I'm going to look up his... Oh, you can look John up? Because John and I are just like shooting this shit. And he begins to explain that he's a writer. And John is John Barrett, who is the author of a book called Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. Oh, yeah, that's a famous book, dude.
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Which happens to have been on the New York Times bestseller list for 216 weeks.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
It became a movie. Clint Eastwood directed it. So the point being, like, John, who didn't give a f*** about anything, was down to either talk or not talk. He and I just started... doing an unrecorded podcast.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
It's not like a tiny book. It's like a record setting. It's about a thing in Savannah, Georgia. Two things about John. Very eager to talk about it, but was honestly happy to just read the New York Times until I said, so John, what do you get here? And then we talked about order. And cool to me is showing up Putting yourself out there and not knowing is this going to be painful or not?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
And then being rewarded by the universe with the breaching humpback whale of one of the greatest authors, it seems, in nonfiction writing in at least the, you know. Well, that's cool. Recent history of the United States. That's what I'm saying. Eating alone. Cool. Competent. Calm. Confident. All those things describe John. Home run, dude. Home run story. Is it the coolest thing in the world?
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It's up there. No, but no. Not, not. In my list of 71 things, that's not number one. Do you have a number one? Because I think I have a number one. Yeah. I want to... We should alternate. Or at the very least, I would like you to go next.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I went to an owl cafe in Japan. I've seen that. It's so worth it.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Great question. I also had, I was like, is this one of those like, we are keeping the prisoners awake in a sort of like experimental torture situation. And I didn't get clarity on that because it was the daytime and these owls were spinning their heads around and seemingly cool with it. That's good. I got to pet several increasingly tiny owls. Oh, smaller. Oh, yeah.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Like just enough with the phones. So actually disengaging or doing the thing that I've been trying to do, which is also admittedly trying to be tardy enough so that everyone's expectations for my responsiveness are reduced.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I would have gone the other way. Nah. It's a huge owl. Well, you start with the big one and then you work your way to winning the trust of... The smallest ones. Yes.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I mean, the bird as a thing, like this is my whole con of mammals take. Go ahead. We fetishize the dog and I see of a, is that a dog?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Yeah, I mean, that's a good preempting of my take, which was dogs overrated, birds underrated, because birds, of course, can literally speak English, and we don't care. Okay.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I want to substantiate that. That is a thing. So this is Lucy. She's a Labrador cross Irish water spaniel.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
With delivering messages. Eagles, they've trained eagles to take down drones.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
They're at the airport. Birds can literally fly.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Conventionally cool. It's unbelievable. One, Marvin Gaye at the All-Star Game. That's my one seed. Are you kidding me? That's my one seed.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Well, so this gets to something that I think is integral about what we're defining as cool, though, which is Deliberate versus spontaneous. Right? So you mentioned the slide, and I agree. The counterargument to a good slide is that it feels so practiced. So, like, for instance, you know the thing that Baker Mayfield does? You've seen that animated gif of, like, him?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
All right. So you sent me a text that said... One embryonic topic. And this was Saturday, 1.32 p.m. One embryonic topic I'm meditating on for you. I don't like myself as I read my words a lot, but this is what I am. What it means to be quote-unquote cool...
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
It's like, that guy's cool. That's cool. Yeah. But then the question becomes like, what if you apply the standard of, what does it look like when he was practicing that in the mirror? He wasn't practicing that. Okay, so this is a standard that we have to scrutinize.
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Does it undermine the committee's case if this thing was practiced, practiced, practiced versus felt as Jimi Hendrix, I think, did and spontaneously performed?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Have you seen the Instagram account that is Cool Sticks? Of course I have.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Hello, Stick Nation. I'm here in Guarapari, Espirito Santo, Brazil. I found this beautiful, awesome stick. It's a white, curly stick. And I found this here on this beautiful place.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
So again, that's an offshoot of swords. Well, it's like, what if you didn't plan to make a sword? Speaking to my practice thing, and nature itself just presented you with an Excalibur made of bark.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
You've been asking for it a side bit, and I wish I could get credit for this.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
who the coolest people are, whether it can be taught, how effort intersects with cool, risks of embarrassment, the coolest things we've ever seen.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Again, this whole thing of like this feels very practiced versus this feels like a thing you do spontaneously and ecstatically.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
The committee needs a little bit more exclusivity than this.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Pretty much all of, you just included the spectrum of human performance. Yeah. I know. Pretty much every musical endeavor is cool. Can I confess to something that I agree must be uncool? I was at my daughter's ballet recital. Okay. And you know how this works. Like, there are like a hundred kids. Just because I'm in the boy world, I'm unfamiliar with, like, dance recitals.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
As the father of a daughter, I went to this dance recital, and there were, like, 100 kids. And Violet's, like, in the last quarter. And I am embarrassed to admit this, but in the interest of journalistic transparency, I will. Stuck an earpod in. That's allowed. For, like...
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
And you didn't respond for hours. Actually, then you got to me and you said, quote, this is cool. Yeah, that works. Nothing else. And then you made me wait a day and a half. And then Monday morning, you said, I'm back and working on this. And now I have 20 pages. So this is where I was at. So many papers in front of you.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I recently discovered my sister in her house, they have a skateboard, and I had never skateboarded before. I spent a week just like teaching myself to skateboard. How did you do?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I've been posting Instagram videos that one of our producers here, Nadir, he has been demanding that I show him what it looks like when I'm like, you know, this is me revealing I don't know how to skateboard, when I'm taking off. Because all I'm doing is like taking a video of me like rolling along. So I'm like partially cool.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
What do you think about electric cars that have a device that makes the sound of a gas-powered engine?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
In Chinatown, I grew up, they sold tiny, tiny turtles that live in a bowl of water and then inevitably die.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Much like a redwood, which will outlive us, make us feel small, so too does... How long do you think those baby humpback whales are living?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
The committee demands, this side of the committee demands. Go ahead. That you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're trying to praise everybody for their efforts. All efforts welcome. No judgment. This is an open division. And yet those who are surprisingly fast, you get bonus points.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
The shirts off thing, I don't know if I can be down with that. In fact, I am not down with that.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Right. The sound of a spittoon. That's cool.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I've never heard. Bing! Right. Sorry. I didn't mean to imply. It's like a three-pointer. This is in the category of stuff that is in cartoons that I just assume happens in real life, but I've never actually seen.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Guy's got a big dip in there. Turning me into a cool nationalist. Like I'm trying to close these borders.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Have you seen bioluminescent aquatic life?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Same. Crushed it. I had a friend, David Epstein, actually, friend of the show, fellow correspondent, like yourself, of Pablo Torre Finds Out. He told me his story. He was in a... There's a lot of just maritime life stories today. That's okay. I think we're learning something.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
A manta ray jumped out of the water covered in bioluminescent film. Come on, dude. Flopped on his kayak.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Now we're back here, okay? I'm almost done. Oh, you're not done.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I feel like I've seen how your brain works this entire time, and it's mostly water.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
It's probably... I mean, I probably am attributed. Trust the process.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Pablo's 16 over a 1. For people who don't know, I would go on Around the Horn every single year because, of course, statistically, it was overdue. And I would say, this is the year that a 16 seed will finally upset a 1 seed.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
My bachelor party involved whale watching. Did it really? San Juan Islands. Saw a fully breaching humpback whale.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I did it for 10 years in a row, and then the one year that it happened, UMBC upsetting Virginia, I picked another team.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I want to get your reaction. I don't totally understand the dynamic, but I'm going to sit here in quiet.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
cooler than being excellent at it okay so this leads me to a clarification go guy who brings his own pool cue guy who brings his own racket guy who brings his own thing unsheathes it and says guess what i am an expert cool okay but if you just never play and you're like wow you're like surprisingly good cooler it's an upset another upset no it's fun shiny things
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
GameWorn. You like GameWorn more than you like fresh off the assembly line. Yeah, it's like that's big in the watch world. By the way, as AI— Watch world? Well, I'm not, but I know I can tell.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Oh, this is kind of like the cast iron theory of things where it's like you don't want to... I don't cook or have a cast iron pan, but I'm told that if you were to like put it in your dishwasher... No, don't do that.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Tough to argue. It's just, it's objectively, like you get none of the, it's stolen valor. Artificial plants aren't great. They don't oxygenate the air. They pretend like you are taking care of them. It's an inauthenticity that you don't love. Yes, I don't like the man-made nature stuff. I just, no, no.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
No, I somehow, despite being very fluent in what I thought were the universe of Ronaldo memes, no.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Sure. Leo Messi, Maradona. Pele. Pele guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
It is him saying very clearly these words as like a positive affirmation. Yes. And there's so little irony. He looks legitimately like he needs to make himself less scared. Yes. So this is an interesting conflict for the committee to consider. We said confidence was a key leg of the tripod. Yep. This man, in this moment, seems like he needs to lather himself up to get to that.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
That should be a combine measurement, your biomass.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Part of what I found out today is that I think you did all of this work just so you could throw your glasses onto a table.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
What's the situation here? Are we... Sweet. Have we started? I think we have. Great. This is a very loud new chair. That's an FYI. It's okay.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
The one group that should not cross that barrier, mimes.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Kevin Wilds, it is an honor and a privilege to be on this committee and also clearly, much like every other person on this planet, a member of Club Cool.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I rarely feel cooler than when I am the guy just like pointing finger guns at tourists being like, yeah, this is what New York is like.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Just like looming. Not whale prostitute, whale bodyguard. No, whale escort.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Unbelievable. Like whales, there's nothing you and I love more than a good pod. Okay. The whale pod you're talking about?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Okay, so number one, deeply jealous of your vacation.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
So when it comes to the nightclub that you are now... very, I use the word Catholic in a different sense, a very Catholic policy, very open, come on in. Yeah. No velvet rope, just. There's still a rope. Few clubs have as much paperwork as yours. True. You're holding, you're double fisting. You have, you've printed out what feel like, are those shot sheets?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Now you're. This feels like a meeting though. You're now an in-demand talent and I'd like you to run the meeting.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
What does that mean? So I understand the Rosetta Stone is a way of being able to understand other languages.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Are you aware that so far a lot of your cool examples involve things that live in the water?
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
And this is where I just need to jump in to say that our friend Kevin Wilds, the co-host of First Things First on FS1 and also a former producer at ESPN, he really does love data. He loves making sports infographics, actually, by hand. And when Wild was in the PTFO studio in January, listening to me and his co-host, Nick Wright, debate the smartest person in sports media.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
One regret I had was that I didn't tap into Kevin's passion for charts and, perhaps appropriately, charts about maybe the opposite topic from who is the smartest person in sports media, which is to say, what's the coolest thing in the world? And so today, before I get to my own story, which involves a guy I met named John,
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
Yeah. And you're always full of ideas, but now you're like champing at the bit. By popular demand, by the way. And Kevin Wiles, I should say your name aloud for people not watching on YouTube. By popular demand, you're here. And I thank you for that.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
I should warn you here that Wilds did not curate a list of five things or 10 things or 25 things.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
coolest thing in the world did you have a did you think of something i have you assign yourself that i have i have done so much less homework for this episode than you but i have i have some takes zero one i have some takes um i ate uh lunch alone the other day that's cool went to barney greengrass upper west side establishment great bagels the sturgeon king more mm-hmm Again, aquatic life.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
And I was asked, hey, there's no room for one person to get their own table. There's a four-top. There's one guy here. His name is John. Great. He's 80-something years old. Yeah. And there are two women. They're together. Do you guys want to share one table? All four of you? All four of us. Like just communal? And choose your own adventure in terms of how much you want to talk to each other. A lot.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
And so I said... Yeah. Great. Of course.
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What It Means to Be Cool, with Kevin Wildes
So I almost put a wire on because John, what happened was at some point the waiter comes by and he's like, a table opened up. Do you guys want to not do this? Because he acknowledges this is a little much. And my move as a New Yorker is to say... Whatever John wants to do, I'm cool with.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Cody, let me remind you of a little nugget that you're forgetting, which is you negotiate with the player right up into the deadline, and you don't know what the player's gonna file at, and the player doesn't know what the team's gonna file at, because you exchange numbers right at a deadline. Do you know that Cody Ross filed at a number below his last offer to us?
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Cody, I don't know if you remember this, but this was the only time in my career and it made me insane because not only did we go to the room over 250 grand, but when you filed at 445, you wouldn't go below 45 based on comps of ghosts. And we were like, if this guy files at that number, he loses. And then he goes in and files at a number he can win at.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And when he filed at 445, I remember like it was yesterday, he filed smartly knowing that we're a file to go team. So we're not going to negotiate with him and he has to file a number that he can actually support.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
He told me that after and I almost broke up with him. Because you said that to me, Cody. But I remember he's the only player who ever said that to me.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
The arbitrators don't talk during the arbitration. They don't ask questions. They just sit there and listen. And they don't give a written opinion at the end. All they do is rule in favor of the team or the player. You don't know why. You don't know whether it was a 2-1 or 3-0 vote. You only know the result.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
One dollar. One dollar. It was a dollar. It was a waiver claim. And the Giants called us after they claimed him and said, you're not going to let him go to us, right? We were just blocking him from going to any of our competitors. And we were like, we're not paying Cody the rest of the year. We're letting him go.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
So there's zero accountability, which is why possession arrow is an important part of the arbitration system, where if the players have won eight in a row that particular year, the team is going to win the next one no matter what.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
They won't admit it, but it's true. Guys, I don't know if your union told you that, but possession arrow in baseball arbitration is a real thing.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
That's exactly right. They will because at the end of every arbitration year, the players union can point to a name and say, I don't want this person involved next year. And the league can't do anything about it. That person's removed. The league can do the same thing. In order to get appointed year after year, you have to have satisfied both sides.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And to do that, you have to give wins to both sides. And possession now is just a term of art. It's obviously a basketball term. It alternates. So you know that if it's been five league wins in a row, the player's going to get the next one.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
He's being serious.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
He does have a beautiful house and a beautiful family. Where are you going, bro? I'm going down to show him your jersey right there. Come on.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Larry Bear called the commissioner to try to interject because they didn't want to take on his money. And we were like, sorry, if you're going to play the game of trying to block your competitors from getting a player, you have to risk taking the player. And we called Cody into the office and said, Cody, love you, man, but you've been claimed by the Giants.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
You have morning cases, 9 a.m. cases, and 2 p.m. cases. And generally, arbitrators will hear one or two cases or three during the course of a session in Tampa or in Arizona. It switches off. And it's just funny because I remember Dan's arbitration. We were arguing about a lot of money. And it was a tough one because, Dan, you had great bulk arbitration.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Great bulk is when you go into arbitration, you've got a lot of stats. You have a lot of home runs, a lot of runs batted in. You've played a lot of games. So you are able to say that, look, I have performed. He was an all star.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
I'm sure you remember this, Dan, but you were a pre arbitration all star, which also counts for money twice, which is why we offered him what we thought was more than we needed to at four four. And he was able to call on players, you know, of the you know, the Cabrera ilk practically because of what his numbers were, pool holes and all sorts of people who we said you're not even close to.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And we were wrong. Arbitration is a manifestation of the ultimate breaking down of an athlete trying to break his will, his confidence by showing that he's something that he doesn't want to believe he is. There's a reason why the manager is not part of any arbitration hearings and the front office is.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
There's a reason why certain front office people don't want to be involved because they can't skate the other side.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
That's what you do. You try to excuse it. We talked about the fact. Do you remember, guys, that we would have to mention that the Marlins always were last in the league in attendance and that we had no revenue.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
If you guys were better, we'd have more fans.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
We would actually in the arbitration say that. We would say that don't look at our attendance that's announced and we would go through what our real attendance was. We would admit that in the arbitration because it's all confidential.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Go speak to the traveling secretary because you're getting on a plane. It's your ass out. We had cleaned out his locker. We had done everything.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Well, our argument was that you can't compare him to starters because he was only a circumstance starter. And we didn't want the arbitrators to believe that we viewed him as anything other than a bench player who could be a good fill-in on a bad team.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
I mean, I don't think that that's true, Pablo. I think that I was communicative with the players who we went to arbitration with, and we would explain the process. So when both sides view it that way, there's not animosity.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
That is something. I think that it's also important to know that it's really hard to get to arbitration. The majority of baseball players, first of all, you never make it to the big leagues. And if you make it to the big leagues, the overwhelming majority don't get three years of service. They don't get an opportunity to get into this system.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And I think Dan and Cody are two examples of players who understood that. And there's some players who just don't get that.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
So I can only tell you in all the times I went to the room, I was able to because of being honest, I was able to disarm the players. The difficult part is when you go with the player you don't know. And then you just have to build a relationship from a first and 20 from a negative spot. And that's that was the case. Do you guys remember Kevin Gregg at all? Oh, yeah. I got a Kevin Gregg story.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Listen, he had a career, but when we acquired him, he would not settle, and he was a bastard, and his agents were about it. And we said, no problem. We'll go right to the room with you. Good to meet you. And he's a very tall Kevin Gregg. Do you remember? He's a big man.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
He has this menacing look. You know, Cody and Dan look jolly, and they are. Kevin Gregg is not what I would call a jolly guy. He's a reliever, right? His whole job is to intimidate. He is intimidating. Remember he had those glasses that he would wear that you never knew whether they were prescription? And he happens to be a great guy. I didn't know this at the time.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Because I didn't know him. And he would not settle after the trade. And his agent said, we will not budge. And we were like, we're going to the room. And the agent said, you're going to acquire a player and then go right to the room without ever knowing him. The room. And that's what we call it, the room. And I said, I don't, I'm not scared at all.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And so Kevin comes in and- He's like, I was born in the room, raised by the room. Like, listen, don't- Don't threaten me with that. And so, but then after that, when I introduced myself to him outside of the room, when we went back to spring training, we built this relationship that was built on a mutual respect and honesty.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And he was a very talented guy, but that was a tough, tough arbitration because we were explaining why we shouldn't have traded for a guy. We basically were saying, I can't believe how dumb we were to acquire someone who's this bad. that we shouldn't be paying him any amount of money. And he didn't know me at all. And he was hearing us say this. It was a tough one.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
saying how great he is yeah the room it's an interesting place and i think dan and cody would agree where it's it's like vegas where what happens in the room is supposed to stay in the room and you're supposed to take it as its own entity and some players are better at it than others these two guys are amazing at it but not all the players were it's there's ego involved we don't want to lose a case we don't want the arbitrators to believe that players are worth more than we thought because we do it for a living
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
How does this whole thing end? So are there closing arguments? Each side closes and they say to the arbitrator, the final word from each side is, so I hope that you will see from the evidence presented that Dan Ugla is worthy of 4.4 million and that you will rule in favor of the club.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And the player ends with, I hope that you will see from the evidence that Dan Ugla is worth 5.35 million and you will rule in favor of the player. There's a thank you. You shake hands. You leave.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And then you go back, you literally go back to spring training immediately because there's workouts, arbitration generally, many of the hearings happen during spring training and you have to get back for spring training.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
I remember that clearly going into the clubhouse after a loss.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
yeah what's it like for david sampson to walk around the clubhouse having lost in the world of one-on-one business yeah you just feel as though that the other players are seen a weakness and that they're gonna use that when it's their turn for arbitration and so i didn't want to lose any of the cases at all uh but i do remember making it a point to be in the clubhouse the next day to make sure that all the players saw it and including dan and cody that
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Win or lose, we're teammates and we are on the same side. And what arbitration does is it forces you to be enemies for that period of five hours. And if you do it with aplomb, you can get through it. And some players and some teams just can't get through it. Guys, there are teams that will not go to arbitration. And players know that, and you can take advantage of that.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
The Yankees are famous. They don't want to go to arbitration. They feel as though that that is beneath them to have to argue against a player. And it ends up hurting them because players take advantage of that fact and can get higher salaries.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
and we never wanted the union to be able to use a win. Like Dan Ugla's win cost the industry so much, much more so than your win, Cody, just because of where Dan was in his career. Because it moved the market. A hundred percent, because then everyone who wanted to compare themselves to Dan Ugla They were comparing themselves to a 5.35 number instead of a 4.4 number.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
It's really actually a big deal, and players should be thanking you, Uggs. I don't know if you get payments from them, but there are a bunch of players who came after you who got paid a hell of a lot more than they would have had you lost that case. Right. Your pre-arbitration years were some of the best in the history of baseball. Oh, my gosh. You guys are making me blush over here.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Well, these guys know my mantra. You have to have players outperform their contracts if you're going to have a winning team. And that's true of the Yankees, the Giants, the Braves, or the Marlins. Every team needs that or you're not going to win.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
The league and the union hate each other. So the representatives of the league and the representatives of the union, I don't know who you guys had. Was it Michael Wiener? I don't know what year. It could have been Wiener, who was, rest in peace, he died young. But he was very difficult in the room. He was amazing. He's a great, great litigator.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
uh beloved by the players well because what he did for those players it's just incredible he advocated in a way that you know would make donald fear blush but what wiener did in the room was try to get the arbitrators attention by saying how greedy and how bad the teams are in the league looking for arbitrators to give any sort of indication that they were listening or agreeing my experience was i didn't really pay attention to the arbitrators
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
because I knew they were gonna take the cases and after the oral arguments, they go into a room and just sort of decide and there was nothing I could read from it. I don't know if you guys found differently.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Wait, winking and shooting finger guns?
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Like, that's going to work? You were going to charm them? it works trust me i can't even cody you you i loathe you stands in front of the arbitrators trying to woo them with his million-dollar smile and he never wore a mouth guard that's right
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
I always was honest with the players. And I think that that's something that most front offices just aren't. And the tendency is to just treat players like chattel and to not involve them in anything and to be robotic and to not be human.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And while people accuse me of that, I actually, with these guys and with many other of our players, I just wanted you guys always to know where you stood and where we stood and that we always knew that there was business and then there was personal.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
So that's a pretty big difference, right? So you're at 4-4 if you lose. If you lose arbitration, the player gets what the team is offering, which would have been $4.4 million. And if you win, Dan would get $5.35. There's no middle. There's no splitting the baby. The arbitrators either choose to side with the player or the team. Right. Right.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Look at his background. I like Cody's background better than Ugg's. You don't like the wood shades? You don't like the wood shades? That's the best you got for $60 million? You got wood shades?
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Listen, don't, don't threaten me with that. Right after this ad.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
So the scene is this, that when a player has between three and six years of service time, after six years, you're a free agent. For the first three years, the team has the unilateral right to decide the salary of the player as long as it's at the minimum or above. But in the middle three years, the player and the team have to agree. And if they can't agree on a number, they're not free agents.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
They can't go to another team. But you then go to three independent arbitrators who have to decide the salary. And what you do is you go into a room, a literal room with a rectangular table. And I couldn't disagree more with the Giants president of baseball ops. I think he's a wussy. You've got to be willing to go face your players. And you've got to be honest.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
And so I didn't go to arbitration with just Dan and Cody. We went often with players, some of whom we never even met until the arbitration room because we had just traded for them. Kevin Gregg, guys, I met in the arbitration room. Redmond, I met in the arbitration room.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
Hey, good to meet you. You suck.
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The Room: Behind Closed Doors of the Messiest Ritual in Sports
that's literally how the relationship started and our job is to explain to arbitrators why what the player wants is not reasonable and you use what are called comps you find players who have stats that are similar with numbers and salaries that are similar to what you want to pay and the player gives different players and explains why they should be like those players and the arbitrator decides
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He went for the money. Cody, you went for love and fame and World Series and LCS MVPs. You're welcome, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. The nicest gift I ever gave you. That's the truth. Getting rid of your ass.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out, I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
But the whole idea of, like, winning over a room, right, which is embedded in the premise of culture, which is to say that, like, it needs buy-in. Yep. You need to convert people to the thing that you revere. Yep. How hard was that for you in these locker rooms?
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Oh, God. It's the worst. I've been fascinated by this ritual. Okay, so explain. For those not familiar with why this is a thing, please explain the thing.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Yeah, but this is a mythical concept of, like... How do you change culture as a thing that every business is going to have to grapple with at some point if they meet what is more likely than not, which is failure?
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Which is all to say that there are these inflection points in Shane Battier's life when he has had to decide whether it is time for him to take the microphone or not. And this can be a difficult political exercise for somebody who loves karaoke as much as Shane Battier does, as we need to explain in a bit.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
But this takes us to a moment, for now, on the court, when the human yellow light wasn't actually trying to slow down a superstar. Because it was June 2012, and Shane was playing for the Miami Heat, and the Miami Heat, for those not familiar, fetishized culture more than any other team in sports, as our own Ryan Cortez will gladly tell you.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
And it's to the point where the Heat would go on to later hire Shane as an executive. But on this June evening in 2012, what Shane Battier was mostly trying to do was just not get in the way of one of his fellow starters. The issue, however, was that LeBron James, one of the best scorers ever, obviously, who was now being given the greenest possible light, had won zero titles at this point.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Speaking of measurables, LeBron had joined Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, only to be humiliated by Dallas in the finals the year before this. And so here the Heat were in 2012, overhyped and trailing in one of the most tense Eastern Conference finals in memory, and they were about to be eliminated by their most hated rival,
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Because you guys are villains. You guys are Goliath. Again, that's the other key part of this is that it's what does Goliath do to save his own ass?
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Because this is now, in terms of his character study. The LeBron game. Yes. And also like, hadn't done it. An inflection. Exactly. An inflection.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
I remember watching this game and imagining what must it be like to be around him in this moment.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
45 minutes, 45 points, 19 of 26. Yeah. 19 of 26! Ridiculous. Also, by the way, 15 rebounds, throwing five assists, you know, casually.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
We're going to be arguing Jordan versus LeBron forever. And this game is the reason why it's plausible. I'm always going with LeBron for a simple reason.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
No.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
Now that we've gone through one of the glorious chapters, do you remember the most humiliated you ever felt in the league? My last year.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
So, same like me. Well, that's great. But at this point in our episode, everybody listening understands how insane that is. That you, guy they've been listening to, tell stories with this level of alacrity, couldn't do that because of this internal... Was this the hearse? Was this finally you being like, I guess I got to get in this thing now?
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
You're going to stab people's eyeballs with that fine ballpoint Muji pen. I would. I would have.
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Mr. President’s Mind: How Shane Battier Learned to Lead (and Shut the F*** Up)
There's one quote that I remember you giving at one point, and it was, if you had filet mignon every single night, you'd stop tasting it. Yep.
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Which is to say that even though you missed so actively the thing that you weren't doing anymore, it felt like by the end also your ability to enjoy it was also changing, which is an interesting tension of like missing something that wasn't even the thing that for you it was anymore.
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The metric, the standard of success is not a health.
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And so I don't know what I would have done differently. Did you get a sense that when you went to therapy that your psychologist was like, I know exactly the type of person you are?
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And just to be extra clear about this, Shane Battier barfing his ambitions into a towel before every game as a six-foot-eight Duke freshman was a thing that pretty much everybody who cared about him found intensely unsettling, I am told.
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When you talk about basically having these relationships, building a cabinet of people around you, I think about how you are also one of the very special, lucky people to have played basketball with a man who had his own cabinet.
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And this was true of his college girlfriend, who was now his wife, and it was true of then-Duke assistant coach Quinn Snyder, who was now the head coach of the Atlanta Hawks. Although... there was one notable exception.
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Oh, I've seen the footage.
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Somewhere the ghost of... Teddy Roosevelt. I was going to say, yeah, Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson. Better yet. Can't believe it. Ride it, my pony. My saddle's waiting. Come and jump on it. If you're horny, let's do it. Ride it, my pony. How great's that? I mean, that's the American dream.
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Exactly. When you were summoned to the front of the class to explain black history to everybody in Michigan, you did not have the audacity to depict this image.
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Part of what is so interesting about hearing you trace your path through life is that at various points, you have lived a movie that I find to be endlessly amusing. And one of the scenes that recurs is just you doing karaoke.
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I mean, you both met the president.
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At a beer festival.
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But when it comes to barf, the first thing that I personally think about when I think about Shane, whose brain, by the way, not unlike Coach K, I also plan to just crack open here. is a different liquid.
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And yet, is that as weird as the time that you did this?
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So Daryl as the Good Witch and Shane as Elphaba, I suppose, in this rendition of... Oh, God.
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I mean, Daryl wearing a blonde wig and a dress and you, I mean, when I say that you sang your heart out with a broom in one hand.
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It's a remarkable thing.
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And it dates back to the first time that I ever met Shane, which was at a bar during the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference about maybe a decade ago, which would be around sometime after he played pickup with Barack Obama, which we'll discuss, and probably also around when he was just winning championships with LeBron James, who would call Shane, quote, the number one smartest basketball player and person I've been around, end quote.
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Daryl, on the one end, did you blackmail LeBron and D. Wade to do Robin Thicke?
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Badiouki, we don't mess around. I dare say that Mr. President has assembled a rainbow coalition of people to do the thing that you made peace with, which is humiliate yourself.
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That is also a thing that we hear, Pablo Torre finds out that we believe in. Shane Battier, thank you for turning this podcast into a very happy camp.
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I love when a guest has a notebook.
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But that night, during that conference, Shane Battier introduced me to something else.
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And what I found out that night is that Patronacy is exactly what you think it is, and exactly what Marshawn Lynch apparently envisioned. Half Patron, half Hennessy. Which is why I also found out that drinking Patronacy made me feel like Shane Battier during his freshman year.
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And just to clarify here, by the way, I did not grow up dreaming of a bond with this man. As I said, I grew up watching Shane take charges, slap floors, become a champion at Duke, and the National Player of the Year, and a three-time Defensive Player of the Year. But he went to Duke. And after the Memphis Grizzlies, the god-awful Memphis Grizzlies, drafted Shane sixth overall in 2001,
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I mostly forgot about him. I think most people did. But in 2009, no less than Michael Lewis wrote a seminal article about Shane Battier for the New York Times Magazine. And this article had an unforgettable headline. The No Stats All-Star. Because Shane, at this point, was a 30-year-old glue guy, a nerdy glue guy, grinding away for the Houston Rockets.
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And what Michael Lewis basically did was make the case for why this relatively minor character, who had this vomitously maniacal devotion to defense, to frustrating the most unstoppable scorers in the world, actually represented the modern evolution of sports culture writ large. Shane was analytical. He avoided taking two point shots because of their inefficiency.
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Well, you see the headline.
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The embedded sort of premise of the No Stats All-Star is that in ways that cannot be actually quantified, but can be begun to be detected by the most advanced... Yeah. Metrics. So it's really the advanced math all-star more than it is the no-stats all-star. Yeah, yeah, good point.
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I want to just quote the thing about you that Daryl Morey, who is now, of course, president of the 76ers, a fellow PTFO guest, as is Michael Lewis. This is all very incestuous. I want to just quote Daryl. Daryl says, quote, I call him Lego.
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When he's on the court, all the pieces start to fit together and everything that leads to winning that you can get to through intellect instead of innate ability, Shane excels in. I'll bet he's in the hundredth percentile of every category. So again, familiar compliment, insult, sort of like layer cake. Yeah. instead of innate ability, you know?
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But I wonder if you've used that Muji pen to write down at any point the quote I wanted to actually start with, which is, of course, from Mike Krzyzewski, Coach K, head coach of your Duke Blue Devils, who said this, quote, Shane was an alien. I wanted at the end of his career to crack his head open and see if he was really human.
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There was something that you were great at that was kind of ineffable. Give us the sort of like the gallery of people that Shane Battier had to puke into his towel to sort of contemplate defending.
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The whole thing of like, I'm going to slow you down, but I know I'm not going to stop you.
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Right? When it came to why these guys, as much as they would talk about how, you know, we're not afraid of Shane Battier. Yeah.
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Um...
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The stats actually indicate, like, yo, you slowed down. I wasn't bad. You slowed down at the yellow light. As it turned out, it wasn't half bad.
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When you look back at how you got to be this way, that's the part where I'm like, I don't know if you can really teach that.
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I find that a big learning that people hopefully have had about the nerd as a creature in American life is that the nerd can be among the most competitive people that you've ever imagined. The guy who, and again, this is me fact-checking as a journalist, the guy who had a subscription to Laptop Magazine.
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There was a magazine called Laptop Magazine? I mean, this is just depth that I, I'm obviously somebody who is, this is a judgment-free zone, but I didn't know there was a Laptop f***ing magazine.
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Willkommen bei Pablo Torre Finds Out. Ich bin Pablo Torre und heute werden wir herausfinden, was dieses Geräusch ist. Ist Ben Affleck der Junge, der Dickwolf schrie?
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And in this case, what we're waiting on is the judge to determine, is the thing that these people are making a creative decision? that can be protected as precedent suggests. And all of it speaks to what the f*** people are being incentivized to do. Like, the thing about all of this is that, and this is a recurring theme, I think, on this show, the Internet and its economy promised a great...
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Okay, lass uns das mal zeigen. Wow. Es sieht aus, als wäre es ein Ausdruck, den sie in Argo benutzt haben. Es sieht fake aus.
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Multipling of sensibilities and tastes and different ideas. And instead it incentivized homogeneity. And so here are people just doing what this new economy is instructing them to do. And simultaneously now claiming what I am doing though, because I am doing it, I care about this, this is me. They are claiming that this is worthy of legal protection.
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And this will be a landmark case if in fact it is ruled in favor of Gifford against Scheel.
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If you're in the jury pool for this, you may be lucky enough to just go to trial to see.
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But it's also like phone covering the face in the same way.
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So this is also, just to be clear about how this all works, is you see a photo of somebody, and on these storefronts, the products are basically tagged, so that you can shop the look.
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I want that mirror, I want this Chris Evans in Knives Out sweater kind of deal.
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It is worth pointing out here that the model in the product shot does look also like she is.
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So part of this is about an alleged loss of income, right? So Gifford is claiming that she would post this thing. She'll very often would replicate it. And she would be able to see in a data-driven way the money taken out of her pocket because somebody else was allegedly doing the same thing and competing for the same exact money.
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Kann schier nackter Konsumerismus eine kreative, kreative Wahl sein, legal verteidigt zu werden? in einer Welt, in der jeder, der ein Kreator ist, ein Influencer, auch ein Storefront-Operator ist, in der sie Produkte verkaufen, als ihr eigentliches Hauptziel. Das ist die legalen Wettbewerbe, die wir sehen, die sich entwickeln.
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Welche die Leute, übrigens, die Leute warten auf, weil das ist natürlich, diese Befragungen sind, sind abhängig. Es sind nicht nur diese beiden Leute, die die erste Befragung haben. Es ist nur so, dass Gifford tatsächlich den Schritt genommen hat, ihre Sachen zu kopieren. And how?
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Yeah, so here is... What do you mean? What do you mean by this? She registered her social media post with the US Copyright Office, an unusual step according to the story, not taken by most influencers.
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This is her claiming that her hair was dyed from black to brown on September 27th, 2023. And that the defendant, Sheila, on December 2nd, 2023, did the same thing. Also in her car.
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So the proxy answer I will give is that they were both able to buy new homes as a result of their Amazon store.
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Let's talk about that. They both bought new beige homes.
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Outside of Minneapolis and Austin, Texas. Both lovely, lovely cities.
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I'm here to validate that. That is exactly right.
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What was that guy in the Dateline episode?
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Yes, like even just like copying tweets.
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Die gute Nachricht ist, dass Alyssa Scheel, die Defendantin, für die du dich vielleicht suchst, sie hat entschieden, sich zu einer neuen Ästhetik zu konzentrieren.
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Dateline is incredibly popular still.
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Are we ranking the original True Crime Podcasts?
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Yeah, a lot of the responses when I first saw this, Ben Affleck, shockingly smart. A prophet of the way media is going to go. And you are actually saying, f*** all that s***.
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I agree with you. What you're saying is that in a world where standard of success is just popularity. Yes, exactly. And I'm not even... Popularity, but only important in so much as that...
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The thing that's happening now, though, is that whenever I see AI and it seems like it's discernible and obvious that this was AI-generated, it feels like an indictment of AI. Yes, totally, totally true. So right now it feels like to be AI is to indicate that you are getting like subprime power.
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Es fühlt sich so an, als ob AI stigmatisiert wird, bis zu dem Punkt, wo es mit schlechten Dingen verbunden ist. Und was du indizierst, mit dem ich es sehr schwierig finde, zu unterscheiden, ist, dass unsere Fähigkeit, schlechte von guten zu beurteilen, tatsächlich weniger relevant ist, ob etwas als Komodität erfolgreich sein wird.
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Ein Eagle-Back-Tattoo in den Schuhen. Oh mein Gott, ich vergesse immer, wie ich das Tattoo sage. Und ein Philosoph in den Straßen.
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Du kennst Keith Morrisons Gesicht.
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Right. As a guy who worked inside of a pop-up window on Amazon.com, what you're saying is that you're ear to the...
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Yes, we conceded that the CGI people are definitely screwed.
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Er ist wunderschön. Er sieht aus wie ein Typ, der auch eine Keith-Morrison-Maske trägt. Ja. Das ist ein Kompliment.
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Ich habe das am letzten Tag gedacht, als jemand, der versucht, Dinge zu machen, die gut sind, als mein Hauptstandard für Erfolg. Ist das gut? Wenn Sie sich fragen, ob ich das Podcast gerade gut finde... Das ist ein wirkliches Wunsch von mir. Aber was ich sage, ist, dass ich, das ist, wo ich bin, wo sind die Guardrails?
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Wenn es ein offenes Feld ist, in dem es nur die Popularität ist und das Geld folgt der Amazon-Storefront, du weißt, Revenue. Was ich hoffe, ist, wie ich es wirklich gedacht habe, ich bin so froh, dass die Academy Awards existieren. I'm so glad that there are things, institutions that signal in a very obvious way, reward this, it's good.
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There's a critical appraisal behind this, which leads me into this incredibly unpopular position of awards shows being the thing that will save us. The elites who reward movies that I very seldom think are the best are the only hope we have for signaling in a market way. This is worthy of your eyeballs.
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Because everything else is just left for, again, an open, boundless focus group in which people are like clicking on stuff.
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Do you understand what I'm saying? Well, the question is like, can AI plausibly write an episode of like Law & Order? Can it write an episode of Chicago Fire?
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It's blue, I think.
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Is Ben Affleck the boy who cried Dick Wolf?
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Can I be honest?
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It's on your storefront.
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As long as you don't show your face.
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So the reason I know you're not alone is because there is a topic in our portfolio of topics that we could have selected on today's show that does fit entirely with this idea. Which is it?
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I picked that one. It's that the Oxford English Dictionary has selected its word of the year. Its word of the year. This is a thing that all dictionaries do because dictionaries are brands too. And the Oxford English Dictionary's word of the year is brain rot. Und natürlich in der... Zwei Wörter, berühmt.
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Bist du challenge? Wie darfst du das? Ist es hypheniert? Ist es hypheniert? Es ist nicht hypheniert.
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Es ist braun, aber... Und wenn du dich fragst, die anderen Wörter des Jahres, die natürlich selektiert wurden... Gaslighting, glaube ich, war letztes Jahr oder zwei Jahre vorher. Es gibt immer eine thematische Summe. Ja. Seht ihr das? Seht ihr das? Ich bin traurig. Ich bin nicht gut genug beim Hosten.
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Ich wollte einen QR-Code scanen, um die volle Version des Washington Post-Stories zu accessieren, der von der Firma, die Michael Cruz-Kane nutzt, um ein Show zu hosten, innerhalb eines Pop-Up-Windows. Das stimmt.
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Der Typ, der dachte, dass Vase und Vase zwei verschiedene Arten von Pottery waren.
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Oh yeah, yeah, got an ID for, hold on. Yeah, we were doing something.
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Walden. Nailed it. You knew that? I knew that. I've read about this already.
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How dare you prep for something?
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How dare you prepare for this show?
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Yeah, so there are these like, I love that every dictionary, a dictionary organization, what it's called in the Washington Post. I love that they all have these councils, like a Hall of Fame, like voting committee that decides what's the word of the year. And Casper Grathwall. Hell yeah.
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Caspar Grathwaal, also in his homeowner era, president of the Oxford Languages, said that brain rot speaks to one of the perceived dangers of virtual life and how we are using our free time like a rightful next chapter in the cultural conversation about humanity and technology. Contrary to Caspar Grathwaal, Collins Dictionary named, as its word of the year, BRAT.
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At the end of every episode of Populatory Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, we do the thing that Katie hates, which is we say what we found out. So, Michael, let's start with you to give Katie a little bit of time.
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Can you say his real name again? His name is Casper... Oh, sorry. Different name.
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Yeah, he's up there with Burfany and the names will never forget. Katie Nolan.
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If Katie's doctor is in the comments.
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Sound off. Sound off in the comments. Safely.
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What I found out is that on this show, We can actually validate Michael Cruz-Cain's finest career credit.
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You don't know how to use the Omron Evolve without a 2ndD Bluetooth blood pressure monitor.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also just placed a bet, and it sounds like Michael, yeah, take the under, I guess.
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Then when would you encounter the winged victory of Samothrace? Well, you'd have to be, I think, at the Louvre. At the Louvre. What the hell does that have to do with Keith?
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Ein bisschen, ja, sicher. John Kerry und Glenn Close.
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Er ist John Kerry und Glenn Close von Ray Romano und Dan Levitarts. Ja. I think we're gonna start with my topic.
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It's a great topic. It's a great story. I'm pretty sure neither of you read the whole thing.
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I read most of the headline.
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Yeah. The headline aforementioned is bad influence. It is on theverge.com. Subhead, one Amazon influencer makes a living posting content from her beige home. But after she, this is sounding like a 2020 sort of setup now. But after she noticed another account hawking the same minimal aesthetic, a rivalry spiraled into a first of its kind lawsuit. Can the legal system protect the vibe of a creator?
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And what if that vibe is basic? So, it's a landmark case. It's a great setup. I love this story. It's about, yeah, a landmark case seemingly in the world of influencer intellectual property plagiarism. These are two Amazon influencers. Are you guys familiar?
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So they, yes, but also they have the ability to create a storefront. This is scare quotes.
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It's like if everybody could be Oprah with her favorite things. Right, but only on Amazon. Okay. Okay. What the aforementioned Sydney Nicole Gifford did was hire an attorney, send cease and desist orders to Alyssa Scheel, because she claimed that Scheel had participated in, quote, willful, intentional and purposeful infringement of her copyright.
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Dozens of posts across platforms like TikTok and Instagram, posts in the case of Sydney Nicole Gifford, that look like this.
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So the plaintiff is claiming Gifford. That's Gifford. That is Gifford.
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There's a pattern of copying. Basically days or weeks, the allegation goes, after she would share photos or videos promoting an Amazon product, Sheil, the defendant, would share her own content doing the same thing and this is what Sheils content would look like as an example. Oh my god, can't wait.
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You're familiar with this genre though, this type of person.
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You're saying it's a bit of a hard sell.
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So it comes inside of this archetype, which I was not familiar with in this specific way until this story, which is the clean girl.
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You're familiar.
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Can you explain what a clean girl is?
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Well, okay, yes, yes, a current practitioner, a master of the form perhaps. Gifford is claiming though in this lawsuit that in the course of 70 pages of side-by-side screenshots, you can clearly see that she posts stuff and then Shield, the defendant, is copying her. We can see a couple of just side-by-side still frames here. Again, it's the gallery wall, black and white photo with a black frame.
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They both have this, yeah, this sort of look. As we cycle through, we see yet another example. Oh, this is my favorite part. What? It's a tattoo. So, at a certain point in the story, you realize, as there is this back and forth about, no, no, no, how can I possibly be held accountable for embodying an aesthetic that is not simply Giffords to claim.
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You learn that Sheil has gotten a flower tattoo that is disturbingly akin to Giffords flower tattoo. Same spot on their arm.
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Oh, that's right.
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So at the core of it is the question of how can you possibly claim that you are the originator of a style that you yourself have derived from this larger... Oh, because her house is boring as fuck
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I know you've been to her house. I've seen it when I'm there. Monochromatic.
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What crime will I be sucked into in real life? Let's find out.
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Neutral is the term that they like to embrace.
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It's the absence of a... Of taste. Of a personal... Of a personality.
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Richtig, richtig.
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Du solltest einen Lehrer haben. Aber auch wenn wir einen Grant haben, dass sie beide sehr, sehr ähnlich sind. The legal precedent here is interesting. It references a lawsuit that was actually a case in which Nike, so the famous, this is sports, we're a sports show. Yes. The famous Jumpman logo that Nike made popular of Michael Jordan extending his arm out, legs splayed.
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Turns out that that was originally photographed in 1984 by this guy, and this is a strange name, but it's Co, C-O, Rentmeester. Co Rentmeester. I love that. Definitely not the name a child invents for himself when he's asked at a movie theater. Sir.
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What's your name? Co Rentmeester says that he photographed Michael Jordan in that pose and that Nike then reshot it with Michael Jordan and did that pose in their own advertising.
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This is the original.
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You see the right leg being bent a pad more. And Nike of course looks like this. Yes.
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Perfected in that way. Optimized in that way. You might even say. The judge did rule that Nike had no liability for this.
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What Nike won on the basis of was this court finding that the images were not substantially similar because the photographer didn't own the pose. Like how can you possibly copyright this pose? And that only creative choices like angle of photograph and camera shutter speed could be protected, which is interesting. But the point is, a judge gets to be an art critic.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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So but this is why I love sports business. Right. So just to recap here briefly. So William Chisholm is the new owner of the team, the would be governor of the team. The governor, as David said, it is about like who is first. Who is the guy who gets to literally hold the trophy? Like who gets to hold the thing, who gets Gollum's ring before everybody else?
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I mean, this is what we're talking about. Always measuring egos, always measuring among people who cannot necessarily buy the thing they want the most.
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You can sniff the trophy, John. You're allowed to smell the trophy. You can't touch it. You can just get a whiff. I bet he gets to touch it.
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If the characters in Yellowstone loved private equity, I think there might be something there. But part of this story, though, is, by the way, so just again to connect all of the dots here, T-Wolves sold for 1.5 Celtic's. now 6.1 and rising, right?
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So we are in rarefied and increasingly dizzying air when it comes to just the speed at which these transactions are happening, which brings private equity to the table. And we've been talking about this on the show forever now, it feels like. But David, I just want to read out the NBA standard for how much private equity you can bring in. I'm just going to read this off of the old Google Doc here.
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A private equity fund can have the lesser of 20% or below the percentage held by the control owner who must hold a 15% minimum stake. So a max of 20%, but you still have to be below the percentage owned by the majority owner. who has the control, who is the governor, not always the same thing, but just to clarify, the guy in charge.
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And this has been a snag, it turns out, in the Celtics' step transaction.
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So Cubans sold 72.3% of the Mavericks to the Adelson family for 3.5% in December 2023. If you're to break that down into its component parts, I don't know what the Mavericks alone would be. I assume there's other stuff in there. Coco will help me figure out. Because buildings and land, of course, are always in these deals. They get sort of like flattened into a basic purchase price.
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Did your country doctor take this out of a suitcase that he carried around?
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But you were under. Yeah. You're under is what I think it's safe to say.
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All of it just to say that when it comes to how to get those prices up, John, private equity, they're thirsting. to get those prices up. And so what David's referring to in terms of like what commissioner Adam silver could do, um, in the reporting of this, uh, I'm reading that there is an option to seek a waiver potentially from the league office.
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And the implication there is that team owners would be unwilling to reject a deal. That's this high again, a new high beating the commander's deal by 0.05 billion. Uh, They would not want to avoid the chance to reset the market like that. And so why are we so worried about private equity? And so my question now is, why are we so worried about private equity?
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Guys, what are the concerns here from your points of view?
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Yeah, I'm not going to suggest that a sports team has the same growth curve as like a meme coin, but it is staggering that like this is the product that does so far only go up. And so we tempt fate, I guess, at every turn.
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I mean, one of the things about private equity, by the way, just to be the cynic here, is that it is one thing when the rich guy who buys the team really, really, really wants to hold the trophy. He wants the trophy. That's one thing.
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But when you have the money manager whose goal is not the trophy but to maximize profit, shareholder return, that's where I'm like, that is what I believe the NBA's rule is meant to guard against, that conflict between profit and, again, the team actually winning.
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So Paragoric, for those not familiar, as I am unfamiliar, a mixture of opium powder and ethanol. You put that on your throat, man, you feel great.
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David Mutual Fund Samson. David SMP Samson over here.
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Can't handle David's John Skipper impression, which is what you've been hearing over and over again as he plays himself like a squeeze toy.
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Yeah.
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And again, always parsing what is actually the innermost circle. What do you get for being a governor of a team that might be worth $10 billion?
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My Google first hit on paragoric legal question mark brings me to the North Carolina General Assembly's website.
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Were you sitting in the outfield? We're back to Frost-Nixon.
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I suspect that the magnanimous...
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I want to do a bit of cleanup on Isle Samson. So it is now the TD Garden, not the Boston Garden anymore. It is also true that we have proof as always.
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I mean, I've never called staplescrypto.com, so I don't really care. I'm just trying to be the fact checker on this program. And the second fact is that, of course, we can verify that John Skipper does prefer to sit out Among the cold, you might even say, because we know that from Trump's inauguration.
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We have this photograph that we always refer to, zoomed in to prove that John is not with, not with the most powerful people. He's right in the back plotting an insurrection. Yeah.
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And here we learn together that Paragoric may be dispensed at retail as permitted by federal law or administrative regulation without a prescription only by a registered pharmacist and no other person, agency, or employee may dispense Paragoric USP even if under the direct supervision of a pharmacist. So, you know, feels like an active investigation continues.
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I want to pivot, by the way, to the hypothetical team that would be worth $10 billion and the hypothetical governor who may not feel like he's getting his money's worth by being the control person of that franchise by getting to the New York Knicks.
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So this story I want to talk about with you guys because it is a bit of a case study that explains so much of the stuff we've been talking about with the Timberwolves and the Celtics.
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And it begins, this story, most recently cited by The Athletic, but something that I've been monitoring for a long time, which is that Jim Dolan, owner of the Knicks, goes to these governor's meetings, the meetings of the most powerful people, these billionaires,
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Well, what's been happening, I am told, is that James Dolan no longer goes to these meetings. He is, of course, the control person, but he sends an emissary in his place who works for MSG and for him in a legal capacity. And that owner's representative, David, says, has been instructed to, it seems, vote against all of the stuff that everybody else wants to do.
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Like, there's just reporting by me and now The Athletic indicating that James Dolan, what is the term for how he is functioning at these meetings? I want to say he's an obstacle, but what is the actual better term in your guys' view? An annoyance? He's the dissenter. He is his emissary. He's at the center of attention. Habitually dissents, I guess, is the reporting we can offer here.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Relatedly, paragoric is used to relieve diarrhea.
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Well, just that context, though, what John is gesturing at, which you're now bringing full circle here, is the idea that James Dolan, as a large market team, sees that there is, in his mind, a welfare state for all the small market teams funded by the Knicks. And so when he says that you guys are overspending in the Central League office, it comes from that place, it seems.
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And also, just to now cite a larger gripe here, David, revenue sharing. The principle of actually distributing your revenue in this way is offensive to the very essence of who James Dolan seems to be.
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It's been a long time since 73. Yes.
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I mean, the Knicks, part of the legend of the Garden, right, is that the Knicks can be absolute dog bleep. You're welcome, Coco, for saying bleep. Absolute dog bleep, but they sell out. It is the thing you go to in New York. It is unique in that way because New York is unique. But what Dolan is fighting to now phrase it in a way, David, of course...
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Look, David Sampson, by the way, as New Yorker, but also a small market Miami guy, even though Miami is also its own tortured psychology of like, oh, we're a small market, but also Miami. Yeah, we want money from the bigger teams.
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Oh, David, I can only imagine the torpedo bat-sized lump in his throat upon learning what he'd not get to discuss with us.
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You couldn't see across the court. That's unfathomable. Unfathomable to me. But you can still smoke in those days. John, back me up.
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No, no. But the point being that you walk into James Dolan's garden now and you're greeted by artificial intelligence surveillance systems that are banning people at the door because allegedly they made a t-shirt mocking James Dolan once. or because they worked for a law firm at a certain point that had litigation with some entity that James Dolan owned.
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And then you get into the garden, and of course you are watched by the all-seeing eye, which is to say, not 420 friendly. But I merely want to point out, At this point in the show, which is winding to a close in the next several minutes, shockingly, the league is trying to centralize its media ecosystem, is how this has been reported.
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And James Dolan is fighting that to the point where he is, yes, sending an emissary to vote against the league at large, and also has personally resigned, right? from its finance and media committees as of the summer of 2023. And so I bring all of this up to say that when I imagine these meetings, the Board of Governors meetings, they're hilarious.
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Like, this is so funny to imagine all of these titans of industry, these masters of the universe, again, trying to box each other out because they don't actually have the same interests.
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You hold the trophy first. I'm not going to re-sign Jalen Brown. Like that's, I mean, by the way, the brass tacks of this in Minnesota, in Boston, in all of the, with the Knicks, When rubber meets the road and you have a decision to make that's an edge case between winning and your revenue and that margin, do you take the chance on the player or on the graph, on your bottom line?
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And that's where we're beginning to only taste what private equity's conflict of that interest is going to be.
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Literally true. We should rename the show to that.
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On that note, this episode of The Sporting Class has officially expired. John Skipper, David Sampson, feel better and thank you. Yeah. God. David, discovering an impression is a dangerous thing to have happen on this show.
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Yeah, what David is referring to there, which I just realized now, is that he was probably scanning his timeline, came across the PTI April Fool's A Block, in which they declared that the Torpedo Bats were banned.
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You can't.
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They've only been doing it for 20 years. But, you know, John, the more that David Sampson being alive... is a prerequisite for many of the things I want to accomplish in my life. The more I worry that I've hitched my wagon in any way to a guy who pulled his car over because he couldn't distinguish between April Fool's joke and reality.
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I would just like my wagon to not have to take pit stops because the wagon is driven by a total fool. Thank you. That's great.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I am glad to be reminded occasionally why I am needed in the host chair for this show, not merely to fact-check David Sampson, but also to bring us together under the guise of a sports business show that has actual, imminent matters of sports business to discuss. And the NBA, John, a lot is happening right now when it comes to the country club that is these 30 governors—
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a term we will unpack here today on the show. But I want to start with something that David and I have been talking about on our respective shows. The Minnesota Timberwolves, that ownership saga has drawn to a close.
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Finally, officially, Glenn Taylor, the longtime owner of the Timberwolves, the governor, excuse me, of the Timberwolves, a guy who has owned that team for three decades, one of the longest tenured owners in the league, has finally surrendered to The team, after a protracted legal battle, which I covered on Pablo Torre, finds out to a degree that is arguably manic.
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But I will summarize it merely to say $1.5 billion, guys, is what Alex Rodriguez and Mark Lurie paid for the T-Wolves in 2021 in a step transaction that went haywire. Too long to summarize here. But that is the price for a team now valued at what, David? What's the last back of the envelope estimate?
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A fair procedural clarification. And I also want to start saying Mark and Alex to flip-flop the proper nouns because Mark Lurie will be the governor, John, the guy who goes to the meetings. And the guy who goes to the meetings is very different, it turns out, behind the scenes from the guy who doesn't go to the meetings.
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Now, it is worth reiterating, though, that Glenn Taylor is a bit of a legendary and infamous figure in the NBA. And a lot of my reporting into this did establish that the guy, when it came to trying to pry away his team, held it with a grip that can only be described as, yeah, ironclad. I mean, the guy bought the team, the T-Wolves, for $88 million in 1994, John. Mm-hmm. 88 million dollars.
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Then again, 2021 agreed to this three part sale with these tranches, which were then delivered, but then disputed whether they came in on time. And this was a big crux of what had to go eventually after a dispute that was made public on my show in large part had to go to arbitration and arbitration happened immediately. And there's a whole backstory there that I cannot wait to fully report.
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But all you got to know for now is that February, there's arbitration in Minneapolis. It is a three judge panel. Two judges rule in favor of Mark and Alex. The one votes in favor of
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I'm just living a Petri dish. David Sampson has a cold, John, as Gay Talese once wrote. Yes. And all must bend to his will.
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And so now we're at this point where I am told reliably that one factor that determined whether Glenn Taylor was going to appeal or not appeal that arbitration ruling was the fact that the NBA's tax bill, the luxury tax bill that you got to pay as an owner of the team for your roster is due at the end of June. And so Glenn Taylor had to do the math.
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If I do a Hail Mary here to appeal, is it possible that I could rest control back into my iron grip? Or am I better not risking what is, it seems, according to last check, and again, I can't define second apron right now because I frankly don't understand the fine details, the finer points of it, but a load of money. that the T-wolves would have to pay Glenn Taylors like Mark and Alex, guess what?
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Congratulations also, you get that now.
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But the NBA right now, we are going to zoom out here, David, if that's okay with you. Because it's not just the Timberwolves, the Boston Celtics. Can you guys update me on what the hell is happening with the other, by the way, step transaction, which is to say payments in phases, right? Right.
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The NBA, John had said, or at least the belief was the NBA would never do a step transaction because of how disastrous the T-Wolves sale has been. This is now years just being resolved or almost resolved now. But the Celtics, not coincidentally, have also orchestrated something that's like this, but not exactly like this.
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And you have a team led by, again, a governor who's like, I don't want to leave just yet.
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How Sam Bankman-Fried Sportswashed an $8 Billion Crypto Fraud, Starring Tom Brady and Steph Curry
What do you think? Are you in?
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How Sam Bankman-Fried Sportswashed an $8 Billion Crypto Fraud, Starring Tom Brady and Steph Curry
I'm Naomi Osaka, and I'm proud to partner with FTMS.
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How Sam Bankman-Fried Sportswashed an $8 Billion Crypto Fraud, Starring Tom Brady and Steph Curry
Tonight, the cryptocurrency world is reeling after the meltdown of one of its most popular trading platforms. The exchange FTX filed for bankruptcy protection today has fallen. Crypto king Sam Bankman Freed stepped down as CEO.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Do you also know this one friend who just comes out of bed in the morning and then doesn't come out of his grin? Who is even in front of the first coffee, shamelessly well-groomed and shines around the bed with the morning sun? Terrible, disgusting, how can you just be so...
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Share & Cool & Tell with David Dennis Jr. and Mina Kimes
Hey, LeBron. Talk to me.
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Share & Cool & Tell with David Dennis Jr. and Mina Kimes
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That's what he said. You asked him, you tell him the whole context of the situation, though. You asked him what he think about this young man, and he said, I'm okay. I said, I'm the truth. He tripping. That's what happened.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
Denn je wertvoller ein Freie Agent wie Todd Collins, sagen wir mal, ist, in seiner ersten Saison von den Patriots entfernt zu sein mit seinem neuen Mitarbeiter, desto wertvoller ist die Wahl, die die Patriots bekommen sollten, um für seinen Verlust zu kompensieren.
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Das ist, wiederum, so lange, bis die Patriots nicht einen Freie Agent für Todd Collins verabschiedet haben, auf ihrer eigenen Seite, was sie logisch auslösen würde, von diesem Art von Verkaufskompensation für das Verlust des anderen Teams.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
Und hier hat Barnwell uns noch eine weitere Überzeugung gegeben, die hilfreich war. Denn es hat einen unserer drei potenziellen Vaters aus dem kompensatoren Mori-Stage getroffen. Denn nein, die Patriots haben Todd Collins oder Mark Wheeler nicht gewechselt, indem sie einen ähnlichen freien Agent gewechselt haben. But they did sign a similarly tiered free agent replacement for Tom Tupa.
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Quote, the Patriots lost punter Tom Tupa, but they signed fellow punter Lee Johnson to replace him. End quote. The former Bengals punter Lee Johnson, whose locker in New England, you should know, would eventually be right next to a 6'4", 225-pound rookie quarterback from Michigan named Tom Brady.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
Ich habe nichts davon gedacht. Das ist eine wirklich unglaubliche Verzeihung des ehemaligen Bengels-Punter Lee Johnson. Danke, Lee Johnson, dass du das ermittelt hast. Aber mit Tom Tupa auf unserer Liste jetzt, dank diesem Punter, der für diesen Scouting-Report verantwortlich ist, ist unser mysteriöser, kompensatorischer Freie Agent jetzt ein Coinflip. Es ist Todd Collins oder es ist Mark Wheeler.
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Und weder einer dieser Jungs hat in der 99. Saison ein einziges Spiel begonnen, weder einer dieser Jungs spielt auf einem besonders bemerkenswerten Kontrakt. Wheeler hat tatsächlich von der Zeit, als Brady Lee Johnson am Patriotscamp getroffen hat, verabschiedet. Collins wurde von der Saison danach verabschiedet. Und nur die eigentliche Komplizenz der NFL aus der 1999.
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Saison konnte die Informationen, die wir brauchen, konklusiv entscheiden. Das ist der ehemalige Patriot, der mehr wert ist als der andere. Und als Journalist hatte ich noch eine Frage zu all dem. Wer sieht diese Liste?
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NFL-Headquarters. Das ist es. Habt ihr jemals diese Liste gesehen? Nie. Kennt ihr jemanden, der diese Liste gesehen hat?
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Wer sieht sie? Keine Ahnung. Aber um es klar zu machen, gibt es eine Geheimliste, die die NFL behält, der wichtigsten Spieler der Liga, die von oben bis unten bestellt wird. Und das fühlt sich so an, als würde es jeder Fußballfan haben wollen. Und das ist ein Geheimnis, das sie niemals erklären werden, warum.
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So, I'm not here to re-litigate the complaints of Bill's general manager, Brandon Bean, who is the guy whose voice you just heard there. And I'm not here to re-litigate the complaints of the Cincinnati Bengals, who woke up on compensatory Christmas morning in March of this year, as Chad was alluding to, only to find that Santa had given them a sixth round pick when they really deserved a third.
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Das war ein Database-Error, wie es genannt wurde, der tatsächlich von einem Eagle-Eyed-Analyst auf, ja, Twitter getroffen wurde, namens Nick Court. Was ich hier tun will, ist nur zu beweisen, dass dieses Scheiß frustrierend ist. Es ist frustrierend für die datadriven Teams, was sie tun können, um dieses junge, kostkontrolliertes Arbeit zu bekommen.
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Und es ist auch frustrierend für ein League-Office, das versucht, all diese Teams in Ordnung zu halten.
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Yeah, knowing the rules ahead of time is one way to become better at playing a game.
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Was ich also viel mehr darüber wissen musste, war die eine Person in der League Office, die Chad vorher erwähnt hat. Die eine Person in der League Office, die nur dafür verantwortlich ist, die Liste in Frage zu machen und es zweimal zu prüfen.
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Steve Vail, laut seinem LinkedIn-Profil auf meinem Computer, hat seit 1994 als Vize-Präsident der NFL als Arbeitsinformationsvorsitzende gearbeitet. Ein bedeutendes Jahr, wie Sie sich erinnern. Das bedeutet, dass Steve in die Liga eingegangen ist mit der Erfindung der kompensatoren Wahl. Und so what I did last month in the throes of reporting this rabbit hole of a story is write a letter to Santa.
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I kindly informed Santa that I had become trapped inside the mystery of Tom Brady's true origin story. And I informed Santa furthermore that only he could cash a check that my investigative ego had written.
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Santa hat nicht zu mir geantwortet. Und ich werde auch nicht zu dir lügen, an diesem Punkt. Die Dinge sahen blöd aus. An einem bestimmten Punkt fühlte es sich an, als ob ich schluchzen würde, ehrlich gesagt. Tom Bradys Stimme, Began haunting me.
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I've had this pain for a large part of my life trying to deal with this. I've been on You may now recognize this voice as the now jarringly mellifluous voice of none other than Lee Johnson. The guy who thought Tom Brady was gonna suck ass. Lee Johnson ist der freie Agent, den die Patriots gegründet haben, um Tom Toupa 1999 zu ersetzen. Tom Toupa wird wieder aus dieser Untersuchung gefeuert.
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Du kannst sie selbst lesen. ist das, was Lee Johnson am Ende sagte. Danach kam all diese weibliche Weisheit von dem Mann, mit dem er gesprochen hat. Was er suggerierte, war, dass ich auch wissen sollte, was diese berühmten Quote über die Cincinnati Bengals waren. Ich sollte sie auch lesen. Also habe ich sie gelesen, und ich bin so froh, dass ich das gemacht habe.
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And to be clear, taking Tom Brady with pick number 199 of the 2000 NFL draft... Das war mehr als einfach die beste Entscheidung, die die New England Patriots je gemacht haben. Es war die größte Entscheidung, das größte Domino, das, glaube ich, die NFL-Zeitlinie komplett verändert hat.
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Denn was Lee Johnson sagte, hat alles verändert. So, this is the part of the story where I take you back to December 6th, 1998. An unseasonably warm day, it turned out, in the state of Ohio. And after the absolutely miserable Cincinnati Bengals lost to the visiting Buffalo Bills in front of 55,000 fans... A reporter asked the starting punter, Lee Johnson, a question.
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A question that you might ask if you are also miserable, because maybe you've been covering a team that had just lost eight straight games. If you were a fan, the reporter asked, would you have come here today? No, Lee Johnson replied, according to multiple press accounts. No way. Why would you? You're saying losing is okay. I'd sell my tickets.
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Lee Johnson the very next morning lost his job as the punter of the Cincinnati Bengals. And I don't mean to say that he was benched. I mean to say that Lee Johnson was cut. The dude's contract was terminated. And he said later, quote, I'm sure I was released because of what I said. I meant what I said."
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All of this is a remarkable decision, obviously, in its own right. And it sent me back down into our rabbit hole with a question. A sudden clarification, actually, for compensatory Chad. If you are cut from a team, do you count towards the compensatory formula?
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Das ist bemerkenswert. Das macht zu viel Sinn. Here is some information that I did not know about Tom Tupa until I started going deep into the world of Tom Tupa. Because what Tom Tupa signed, Chad, was a 6.1 million dollar deal over four years, which was the most ever for a punter at the time. And when you look at his statistics in 1999, the season he went to the Jets, he was a first team all pro.
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He was excellent. He played all the time, punted all the time, made a lot of money, the most ever for a punter. And so it stands to reason that of Mark Wheeler and Todd Collins and Tom Tupa, that Tom Tupa then, by the power of inference and logic and the power vested in me, Tom Tupa would have been Tom Brady's number 199 overall draft pick. Am I wrong?
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Wenn Bill Belichick diesen Pick auf Brady nicht genutzt hätte, vielleicht weil Brady's shirtless Fotos auf der Kombine nur so enttäuschend waren, zum Beispiel. Stell dir vor, wie viel Geld die ganzen Generationen von Jet-Fans auf Therapie gespart haben.
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So, just to be very clear here, it sounds like you agree with me that it has to be Tom Tupa. I do. Okay, so this is big, right? This is where I need a recap for you, what we just discovered. Because Lee Johnson got fired. Fired for saying this sort of unrepentant stuff that Lee Johnson apparently can never stop himself from saying.
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Which meant that he could not finish his contract with the Bengals. Das bedeutet, dass er Tom Tupa in der Kompensatoren-Formel nicht ausgeschlossen hat. Das bedeutet, dass Tom Tupa und sein Giant-Kontrakt und sein All-Pro-Saison in 1999... ...sie den wertvollsten Spieler, logisch gesagt, auf unserer Kompensatoren-Mori-Stage machen.
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Tom Tupa ist der Mann, der für Tom Brady verantwortlich ist, ist das, was wir gerade gefunden haben. Aber jetzt, liebe Hörer, ist es Zeit, dass diese Geschichte noch ehrlicher wird. Denn Sie werden sich erinnern, dass Tom Brady der 6,4 Meter, 225-Pound-Quartier war, der nach Michigan ging. Der Mann, der am Ende den Namen Touchdown Tom bekam.
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What you should know now is that Tom Tupa was a 6'4", 225-pound quarterback who went to Ohio State, Michigan's rival, and himself eventually earned the nickname Two-Point Tupa. 30 years ago, Tom Tupa was living the trajectory that Lee Johnson had envisioned for Tom Brady. Basically, he had sucked so much that he had disappeared from the NFL altogether.
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But in 1994, and yes, there's that year again, it's the dawn of not only the CompX system, but also the two-point conversion. The head coach of Tupa's hometown Cleveland Browns, a man named Bill Belichick, gave Tom Tupa a chance to make his team as a punter.
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Und so in der Woche 1 gegen Toopas Verteidiger, der soeben Lee Johnson und die schmerzhaften Cincinnati Bengals war, sendete Bill Belichick Tom Toopa in das Spiel, als Held, auf einem Nachwuchs-Attemptat. Und die Geschichte wurde gemacht.
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Belichick vertraute Tom Tupa, das gleiche Fake zu machen, in dem er den Knall nahm und zwei Punkte für zwei Punkte rief. Drei Mal in dieser Saison. Und eine langfristige persönliche Verbindung zwischen Coach und Punter wurde geboren.
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In fact, when the Cleveland Browns fired Belichick in 1996 and the Patriots picked him up as an assistant coach, Tom Tupa made sure to follow Belichick to New England.
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Two Point Tupa war das echte Ding. Das ist bekannt. Er war der Startpuncher der New England Patriots. Und er war nicht mehr der Typ, der all diese Fakes verbracht hat. Three years later, before that fateful 1999 season, the dude became the single highest paid punter in NFL history, as I was just marveling to Chad, once he left the Patriots.
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And the thing I just need to reiterate for you here is that the team that paid Tom Tupa this record-setting amount, an amount so big that it ostensibly handed the Patriots pick number 199, was the New York f***ing Jets. The New York Jets, at the time, a projected Super Bowl contender.
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Quote, it was a no-brainer, Tom Tupa said, which was true because of all the money, yes, but also because of the specific coach that he was once again going to be joining.
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Tupac was reuniting with the guy who had resurrected and now funded his new NFL career, Bill Belichick, for a third time. Belichick was another nomad, another guy who had gone to the Jets. And he was there to set up shop with his mentor, Bill Parcells. Which now takes us back to the very first thing that I told you guys about Tom Tupa.
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Denn natürlich haben sie es gemacht. All of which is why the Pro Football Hall of Fame has already acquired the sixth round draft card, where the Patriots registered the decision to take the greatest quarterback ever, enshrining this literal artifact before the man, before touchdown Tom himself. And it is also why we should recognize how the Patriots acquired pick number 199 in the first place.
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Which was about the shoes that he immediately had to fill at quarterback, remember, in week one of that fateful 1999 season. A game which happened to be against, cosmically, the New England Patriots.
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The whole reason Tom Tupa was even out there was because in the second quarter, the Jets franchise quarterback, the actual guy they were hoping to see play, Vinny Testaverde, had torn his Achilles on a seemingly routine handoff.
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Denn das, was passiert ist, war, dass abscheuliche NFL-Regeln damals dazu führten, dass man, wenn man vor dem vierten Quartal einen emergency-Quarterback benutzt hat, nicht mehr einen ersten oder zweiten String-Quarterback spielen konnte.
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Und das ist bedeutend, weil in einer noch niemals kosmisch furchtbaren Roster-Decision der New York Jets Tom Tupa, der Punter, tatsächlich als zweiter String-Quarterback gelistet wurde. Das haben sie gemacht, um einen extra Roster-Spot für besondere Teams zu öffnen. Was clever war, nicht wahr? Unless Vinny Testaverde happened to suddenly get hurt mid-game.
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But the real reason that all of this was so completely catastrophic for the New York Jets was not because Tom Tupa suddenly had to play quarterback again. Tom Tupa, actually, was killing it. 2-Punkt-Tupa hat sich in den Touchdown-Tom gewandert.
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The Jets were only trailing by five, entering the fourth. At which point, Jets Head Coach Bill Parcells made another big decision. Because in the fourth quarter, according to the aforementioned obscure rule, he could finally put in his real emergency quarterback. The guy he would have liked to see, without any penalty, a guy by the name of Rick Myrer.
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Und so haben die Jets Rick Meierer in das Spiel gesetzt, sobald das vierte Quartal begonnen hat. Sobald es möglich war. Und Rick Meierer hat versucht, das Spiel wegzuholen.
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Er hat nur vier Spiele von 11 Versuchen gespielt. Der Typ, der das Bett schlug, ist das, was er tat. Und die Jets haben zwei Punkte verloren. It was a game that they should have won. And I can tell you this because I rewatched it in full. And I think that if Bill Parcells had kept 2.2 in the game, they would not have lost by two. I say this with full confidence.
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But I also wouldn't even be telling you about any of these things, about Rick Meier, unless something else had happened. Further down this absurd chain of dominoes, several months later now, Because the New York Jets, again a would-be Super Bowl contender, finished 8-8. And they missed the playoffs entirely. By one game. One game!
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At which point an exhausted Bill Parcells retired, vowing to never coach again, and he handed the reins to his heir, Bill Belichick, the dude who became the Jets' head coach, für genau einen Tag.
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Denn wie diese Entscheidung wirklich geschehen ist, ist ein aktives Geheimnis. Es ist ein Geheimnis mit einer anderen Entscheidung und einem anderen Spieler und einem offensichtlich geheimen System. Ein System, das die smartesten AnalystInnen und die am liebsten verbundenen Exekutiven in der ganzen NFL negiert und infuriiert. In anderen Worten. for 25 years.
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You may now be able to guess what happened just three weeks later.
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This is just four months after that introductory presser in New England, when Bill Belichick, the new head coach and general manager of the Patriots, found himself holding a compensatory pick late in the sixth round.
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And with pick number 199 of the 2000 NFL draft, the New England Patriots looked down at their draft card, at the space right beneath the words compensatory selection, written in all caps in red ink, Und sie haben die Entscheidung gemacht.
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Und ich denke, ihr wisst wahrscheinlich das Rest. Okay, also bevor wir hier am Ende des Episodes gehen, fühle ich mich gezwungen, zu beantworten, was ich glaube, ist das erste, was die Fans der New York Jets heute gefunden haben. Und das ist, dass ihr es euch selbst gemacht habt. Right? You did.
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You decided to give Bill Belichick's favorite free agent punter the most money that an NFL team had ever paid a punter. You then had him almost deliver a win in the first game he ever played for the Jets. But then you benched him in the fourth quarter when you needed him the most. And you failed to make the playoffs that year.
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And all of that, all of that is what led to New England hiring Bill Belichick. who promptly used that pick that the Patriots got as compensation for losing that same free agent punter you paid all that money to, to draft Tom f***ing Brady. That's how it happened. And so, yeah, I apologize on some level for what your therapy bills may now become, but I'm also not done.
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Because the second thing that I feel obligated to address here, as I now lobby to rename the butterfly effect after Tom Tupa, The Tupa Effect, it's what I believe lots of you skeptics may still be thinking about me. Which is that I didn't really finish the journey that Barnwell started. And that my whole grand conclusion here is still just a giant guess. And I get it. I do.
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I'm the guy who told you that only the NFL office has access to, you know, God's secret compensatory big board. I'm the one who made this whole thing about how, you know, someone from the inside can be the only person to know for sure how the league ranks the value of Tom Tupa versus Todd Collins versus Mark Wheeler. I am that person. But I do have one last update for you on that note.
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An update for you and for compensatory Chad, actually. Denn während Santa, der ehemalige Vorsitzende von Laborinformation, Steve Vail, nie zu meinem Brief antwortete, habe ich keine Zeit, Läufer zu schreiben. Denn das ist nur mein Gehirn. Ich habe Läufer zu verschiedenen anderen Leuten geschrieben, die die Liste gesehen haben. Und ich habe auch nichts zurückgebracht. Aber eines Tages...
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One day, very recently, after hearing me explain in increasingly desperate tones what I had been trying to investigate in my capacity as compensatory Maury Povich, someone inside the NFL office did something that shocked me. They replied. They wrote back, de Pablo Torre finds out, opening this Ark of the Covenant for the first time in 25 Jahren. Quote. The NFL office wrote in a detailed email.
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All of which means that I can now declare something. Officially. I can officially declare that in the case of pick number 199 in the 2000 NFL draft, aka Tom Brady, the greatest draft pick who has ever lived, the actual compensatory Maury has something to say.
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I'm Pablo Torre, and this was, by the way, the real Maury Povich.
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Not some AI bot.
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So, thank you to the real Maury for rejoining Pablo Torre Finds Out, which is produced, as always, by Metal Ark Media.
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We'll talk to you next time.
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Okay, also die Entfernung zu diesem Höhepunkt, in dem wir alle zusammen hüpfen werden, ein Höhepunkt, der mich gefühlt hat, wie Mori Povich für NFL-Draftpicks, den ich später erklären werde. Es ist dieser Artefakt, den ich dir bereits erwähnt habe. Tom Bradys physische Draftkarte.
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Denn wenn du dich noch einmal auf die zweite Linie schaust, direkt unter Runde Nummer 6, New England, und direkt unter Brady, Tom, Yep, right there. You're gonna notice two words that almost always get overlooked when we talk about Tom Brady. Despite being in all caps, clearly, and despite being written in red ink. And those two words are compensatory selection.
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A compensatory selection, in so many words, is a pick with a very personal and human backstory. Because the way the NFL draft normally works, as you may know, is that there are seven rounds, 32 picks each, one for each of the 32 teams in the league. The worst team, of course, picking first, because drafts are socialist, quietly. And the best team picks last. All of that, pretty straightforward.
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You know this stuff. But the first thing to know about a compensatory selection ist, dass sie nicht einer dieser normalen Picks sind. Ein kompensatorischer Pick wird an ein Team eingestellt. Von der Liga-Office, nach einer Serie von vertrauensvollen und jährlichen Zahlen, wie es aussieht.
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Kalkulationen, die so sensibel sind, dass nur ein High-Ranking-Team-Exekutiv mir auf dem Tape sprach, wenn ich versuchte, seine Anonymität zu garantieren. Das ist der Grund, weshalb ich aufgerufen habe, die Stimme unserer Deep Throats zu erhöhen und ihm auch seine eigenen Alias zu wählen. Chad. Chad ist ein guter, lustiger, randomer Name. Chad. Okay, Chad.
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Ich möchte erklären, warum der kompensative Chad hier ist. Ich fühle mich ziemlich nervös, ehrlich gesagt. Ich habe Whistleblower interviewt, Leute, die tatsächlich Teil internationaler Investitionen in Oligarchen sind. Sie haben nicht die Befreiung bekommen, die wir euch heute bieten.
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Ich wollte, dass ich daran verurteilt werde. Aber insofern, dass die 32 Teams der NFL für mehr als 20 Billionen Dollar in Revenue last year kombiniert haben, wie ich herausgefunden habe, ist Chad nicht falsch. Kein amerikanischer Sport ist jemals besser als die NFL beim Geld zu machen. or exerting control.
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For instance, it took players suing the NFL to introduce the concept of free agency in the first place. The concept that we all know now, where players with expiring contracts could freely sign with other teams. That happened in 1993, not that long ago. And by 1994, in response to that, the NFL had installed two other concepts. A salary cap, which limited spending,
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Und die Erfindung der kompensativen Wahl, wo ein Team, das einen Spieler in der Freien Agentur verloren hat und nicht eine Verwendung in der Freien Agentur gesichert hat, für eine Art, wir nennen es die Kompensation der Anwohner, sozusagen. Kindlich das Gegenteil von der Kompensation der Arbeitnehmer. Das ist ein System, für das es einige Möglichkeiten gibt,
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Es gibt einige Origin-Storys, die uns bis jetzt so bekannt sind, dass sie uns in unseren Gehirnen hängen, wie diese alten Schriftstücke, diese Artifakte fast, die wir immer sehen, in Dokumentarien, in Reden, in Büchern und Broadcasts, dass wir nicht einmal mehr auf sie schauen.
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Billion-Dollar-Korporationen, die die klugsten Menschen, die in Sport vorhanden sind, in der Lage sind, Twitter zu lesen, um herauszufinden, ob sie den richtigen Anruf auf eine strategische Entscheidung machen, die auf Kompensatoren-Draftpicks betrifft.
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Und nach den Monaten, in denen ich von Chad nachgedacht habe, kann ich mich an die Quote von Quote an Quote an die meisten Teams erinnern. Aber was ich hier wirklich versuchen will, in meiner vorgeschlagenen Kapazität als kompensatorischer Mori, ist mehr als einfach zu antworten. Was ich versuchen will, ist, die kompensatorische Paternität, sagen wir mal, des Nr. 199 auszuprobieren.
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Was ich hier versuchen will, ist, den ehemaligen Patriots-Spieler zu identifizieren, der sich mit einem anderen Team als Freie Agent vor der 1999-Saison eingeladen hat, and then turned into Tom Brady during the 2000 NFL Draft.
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That is an answer that Pablo Torre finds out never takes sitting down. Pablo Torre will not find out. Chad, A, f*** you. B, B, you're gonna help me here. Und C, ich sollte auch nicht vergessen, C, wir hatten einen Start. Vor der letzten Pause hörten Sie mich den Pessimismus von unserem Freund Bill Barnwell, den ich als den schärfsten NFL-Analyst in unserer Industrie ansehe.
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Und dieser Quote, wie das nie gelöst werden wird, war nicht ermutigend. Aber der Grund, warum ich das bezeichnen konnte, ist, weil Barnwell selbst in einem Artikel von Grandland, 2015, in einem Artikel von Grandland, And what you should know about what Bill Barnwell has previously found out is that we can narrow this mystery down a bit.
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We can narrow it down to three potential fathers who are now standing atop our compensatory Maury stage.
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Und so wird heute's Episode über die berühmteste Origin-Story und die berühmteste Draft-Pick in der Geschichte des größten Sportes in Amerika sein. Because it turns out that something important, someone important, has been missing from this picture for 25 years.
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Dies sind drei plausiblen Kandidaten, drei freie Agenten, die die Patriots vor der 1999-Saison verlassen haben. Und sie sind es. Der zentrale Kassierer-Linebacker Todd Collins, ein Typ, der die Patriots verlassen hat, um mit den St. Louis Rams zu signen.
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Das sind die Schuhe von Tom Tupa, die du anschaust. And finally we have defensive tackle Mark Wheeler, the 285-pound giant who left the Patriots for the Eagles, but is otherwise so generally obscure, frankly, that the only YouTube video I could find about the guy had 44 views and also was generated by a bot.
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Nun, es gibt keinen großen Manila-Envelopen und keinen DNA-Test, leider, der zeigt, welcher von diesen drei Männern für Pick 199 verantwortlich ist.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
But... Was wir wissen, ist, dass Pick 199 der höchste Pick war, der wertvollste Pick der vielen 6. und 7. Runde kompensativen Picks, die die Patriots in diesem Jahr erhalten haben.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
Das ist wichtig für unsere Untersuchung, weil das NFL-Office, die Art und Weise, wie sie diese Picks bestätigen, diese kostkontrollierten Weihnachtsgifte hinter geschlossenen Türen, das ist auf eine andere Art und Weise überraschend. Weil das, was das NFL-Office tut, es scheint, ist, eine enorme Masterliste von jedem Spieler in der Liga zu halten.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
Wir sprechen von Offense, wir sprechen von Defense, wir sprechen von Spezialteams, all den Positionen, alle von denen kombiniert in diese eine Masterliste. Und sie ranken all diese Spieler von am meisten wertvollen bis zum wenigstens wertvollen in Ordnung. Der Wurf, wie man sich das vorstellen könnte, ist, dass diese Liste völlig vertraut ist. Es ist der Fantasy-Football-Big Board von Gott selbst.
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The Pick Who Became Tom Brady: An NFL Secret, Finally Revealed
Also, zum Beispiel gibt es einen Bonus, wenn man als erstes Team-All-Pro gewonnen wird, laut der verabschiedeten Presse. Wir wissen auch, zum Beispiel, dass je mehr Snaps man über einen bestimmten Niveau spielt, statistisch, desto mehr Punkte erhält man.
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Aber so archaisch wie all das ist, wie diese kompensative Formel tatsächlich ist, und ein paar davon sind auch jetzt auf Page 399 der neuesten kollektiven Verhandlungsverhandlungen erklärt, ist die Logik hier eigentlich ziemlich einfach.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Do you also know this one friend who just comes out of bed in the morning and then doesn't come out of his grin? Who is even in front of the first coffee, shamelessly well-groomed and shines around the bed with the morning sun? Terrible, disgusting, how can you just be so...
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
We can relate. We can relate here. You know, Gary, one of our joys was that we actually did unearth your 22-year-old interview tapes because at Emory University, at the Rare Book Library manuscript collection number 890, we found your archive. And just tell me how you feel as we go back to March 1962.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is Bill Campbell that you're hearing. This is the play-by-play announcer in Philly, WCAU, the radio broadcast. But it's one of your interviewees, a primary source here, who is in the game somewhere on the court, Joe Rucklick, that I wanted to ask you about because Joe Rucklick sounds like he might be a guest on the McAfee show at times, revisiting some of these tapes.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Do we, though? Are we sure?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Hearing you in 03 talk to Joe Rucklick is a time machine inside of a time machine.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Why do you think it's fake? Well, his allegation seems to be even a little more pointed than that. It was that Bill Campbell wasn't even there, actually. He wasn't really the announcer. If it's a fake...
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
As for just how Bush League Game 75 really was, I should acknowledge that Joe Rucklick, dead wrong about the tape of the fourth quarter being this false flag operation. Also, relatedly, it's funny that none of the online conspiracists that we mentioned before did enough research to be able to cite Joe Rucklick's theory in the first place.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But it is pretty easy to imagine why the whole event did feel a bit confused.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But Wilt Chamberlain, as he later explained in an interview with Bob Costas, was keeping score.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And one big reason Wilt was playing so well is that the Knicks' starting center was out sick and apparently kind of hungover. And so yes, Wilt would go on to average 50 points a game that season, but the man primarily tasked with stopping the single most unstoppable offensive performance in basketball history, arguably all of sports history, was not supposed to be starting that night.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And instead, what he became was the answer to a trivia question forever.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Do you remember the first time you heard somebody casting aspersions on the subject that you have literally written the book about?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Granny style.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What did Daryl say to you particularly, Gary, if you recall, in your interview with him about the refs?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I need to observe that everybody who's been trying to undermine Wilt's record by asking if it really happened has been asking the wrong question. Because what Daryl Imhoff is arguing here as one of the principles is not that the 100-point game never took place,
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What Daryl is arguing is that compared to other great performances, Wilt's 100 was abnormal and ultimately illegitimate to the point of being, quote, a farce.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
There's a moment, you know, just in terms of recreating when people began to realize we're witnessing something that we'll be talking about forever. There's the moment where Bill Campbell, the play-by-play guy on the radio broadcast, says... What a night.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
This brings us as we get deeper into the fourth quarter, Gary, to the 98 point mark. So the psychology of the 98 point moment here, who gets the ball to will. How does this play unfold here?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What was the call? What was the sequence of events to get to the number?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
You're listening to DraftKings Network. When you heard from us, Gary Pomerantz, that we wanted to do this topic because of what people had been saying on the Internet, were you excited?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And yeah, I understand why. I mean, it's worth remembering here that the most enduring image of that night, the thing that everybody remembers still today, was the Big Dipper holding a piece of paper with the number of points he scored written on it. But the person responsible for that meme, it turns out, was not Wilt Chamberlain. It was the same Warriors statistician that Gary mentioned earlier.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
a man named Harvey Pollack.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So the anniversary of one of the most iconic performances in the history of sports is approaching on Sunday. But what most distinguishes Wilt Chamberlain's single game scoring record is that right now, for each of his points on March 2nd, 1962, there appears to be just as many questions. 60 plus years later,
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
You know, all that matters is what Will got. Well, that's it, right? The discrepancy between what the radio announcer was saying versus the official score. There's all this confusion. You hear it on the tape a couple of times. But what the octopus...
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He makes sure to establish that there is no ambiguity around how many points Will Chamberlain scored because he does the thing that results in the one piece of evidence that I think every basketball fan has seen.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I should point out what might now feel obvious, which is that every person that Gary Pomerantz has mentioned to this point, every voice you've heard on this episode has passed away. This will forever be a story about hidden boxes and lost recordings and secondary sources and truly tricky ambiguities.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
which is something that Wilt Chamberlain himself, who died in 1999, eventually learned to accept.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But in our research near the end here, we were able to find one last primary source for the online exhibit we've been building. A person who, at 86 years young, still has a unique and even poetic perspective on what really happened in Hershey, Pennsylvania on March 2nd, 1962. Tom, give me the pronunciation of your name. I just want to make sure I'm getting it right.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Meshary. Okay, good. Good, good, good. Didn't know where the accent or the stress was going to be, but Meshary makes total sense.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Masheria Moore. Yes, a different nickname for a bruiser power forward.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And Tom Asheri really was good at basketball. The Warriors, who eventually relocated from Philly to the Bay Area, retired his number. And Tom was in the starting lineup playing 40 minutes right alongside his teammate, Will Chamberlain, in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on the day in question.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And while Tom would go on to spend 24 years as a high school English teacher and also write five books of poetry and six novels and two memoirs... On my mother's side, I'm related to the local story. He still thinks about Hershey. All the time. In part because it was his very first season. in the NBA.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I'm getting the sense that as much as you were a guy who was not there to shoot that night, you enjoyed spectating yourself.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Yeah, look, the question of why people question it.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Well, one of the things I wanted to fact check with you was a theory of a different kind, because one of the people that was interviewed by Gary Pomerantz in his book is a gentleman by the name of Daryl Imhoff. You remember Daryl in some?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Why? Why did you do that, Tom?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I'm getting the sense that the Mad Manchurian may have also earned that nickname because you also tried to hit Daryl with a chair.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But I bring up Daryl Imhoff now not simply because you have this personal backstory with him, but because I need you to help fact-check something that he told Gary Pomerantz that we discovered in the course of fact-checking the story of that night. Because the allegation that Daryl makes, of course, is not that the 100 points did not happen. He was there.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He, in fact, personally was responsible for quite a number of those points, trying to guard Wilt. The allegation that Daryl Imhoff made on tape was this, quote, The 100-point game was a farce.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He accused you guys of pouring it on.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I do need to jump in here and let cooler heads prevail for a second, for the sake of posterity, if nothing else. Because, yes, I have apparently goaded the bad Manchurian at age 86 back into bloodlust. But also because the thing that courses inside of Tom, the thing in his blood, as mentioned before, is really poetry.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And so you may not be surprised to find out at this point that the Big Dipper was not just a teammate and a friend to Tom, but also a muse.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Would you mind reading some of the poem that you just wrote last night for me?
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I was wondering when the Mad Manchurian might read from his latest work.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
tom the mad manchurian the poet laureate of the nba you contain multitudes and you observed multitudes and i very very sincerely thank you for joining us you're very welcome this has been pablo torre finds out a meadowlark media production
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And on and on it goes across Reddit and TikTok and YouTube to the point where we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out got a voicemail about this topic at our detective agency hotline, 513-85-Pablo.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And then we got another one.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Now, those callers sounded reasonable enough to us that we finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of what seems to be a global mystery. And the first person we called was Stanford professor Gary Pomerantz, the aforementioned author of the book Wilt 1962. And Gary immediately established something.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He established that one tricky thing about fact-checking Wilt Chamberlain is that Wilt Chamberlain's whole brand was to be larger than life.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I had to do a lot of just reacquainting myself with history as well for this. Wilt was singing his own tune, literally, on American Bandstand, right? By the river, down by the river.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
That's the number that people are most, you know, had been most obsessed with, that statistic, 20,000.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
You should know that Hershey, Pennsylvania, population in 1962, about 7,000, sits in the shadow of Amish country. That's where the chocolate capital of America is located, which doesn't entirely explain why there is no full recording of the Philadelphia Warriors game against the visiting New York Knicks on March 2nd, 1962. But electricity in general was scarce. The game wasn't televised.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
The NBA, as Gary said, was basically a lounge act. But the sport was big enough for an AM radio station, WCAU Philadelphia. Except it soon became clear, particularly to legendary play-by-play man Bill Campbell, who was frantically calling technicians back at the station in Philly, that nobody involved with this broadcast had actually kept a tape of the game. which then created a puzzle of its own.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But very recently, about 60-plus years later, something kind of crazy happened. Because we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out found a Philly basketball fan by the name of Sammy Marcus. And Sammy Marcus had never given an interview about this before. But in 1962, Sammy used to listen to every Warriors radio broadcast. On March 2nd, however, that Friday, he decided to do something different.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He went to go see the Elizabeth Taylor film Butterfield 8. And then...
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And so Sammy ran over to his friend's house with his own recorder and microphone, and he bootlegged that puzzle piece right off the speakers. And it's a tape he still has today.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
all of which is how the NBA got a copy of a grainy secondhand recording of history, or at least a fraction of that history. But as for the rest of Wilt's pivotal fourth quarter, including the Knicks' possessions, the way we wound up finding that involved a different box entirely.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And this puzzle piece, it turns out, was the full fourth quarter, but it wasn't taped in Hershey, at all, actually. It was taped at UMass Amherst by an aspiring student broadcaster named Jim, who listened by rigging his transistor radio to the five-story heating pipe in his dormitory.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And that night, in that dorm, Jim broke out a reel-to-reel tape recorder, apparently, the one his girlfriend had been using for elocution lessons, And many years later, those reels would finally find their way back home.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Not even the Basketball Hall of Fame has the tape of Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game, by the way, as their historian explained to us. They've never even had an official exhibit devoted to Wilt. But this show now has two independently sourced recordings of the pivotal fourth quarter, plus a third entirely different box of tapes that I need to tell you about.
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Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Because this is a box of tapes that contains Gary's interviews, which we're going to curate for you as part of this exhibit here today.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
There is a stamp that says Wells Fargo Statutory Trust, SGSR. There's a serial number across the bottom and the letterhead on this ICC demand guarantee page that says this is all real.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
It's incredible. It's incredible. But today, Cortez, because I consider us a show on a mission, right a journalistic mission i want to talk about how we all have that one like message email phone call letter that we received at some point in our life that we vividly remember receiving right you remember uh where you were what you were doing how it felt to receive this thing
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And what are the two signatures there at the bottom of the bank draft page?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Absolutely. Solely as trustees. Now, those two named trustees are extremely important to the story. But I should also note here that there is an attached and barcoded financing statement indicating that this whole document addressed to Urban Echo Energy, Brian's company, had been registered with California's Secretary of State, which it actually was. I checked.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
So, Kenny, do you remember the first time you ever met Brian Davis?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Why was young Brian Davis wearing a suit showing up at DeMatha?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Had you ever seen anybody that age wear a suit, a basketball player wearing a suit to school?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
No. So for people who aren't familiar with the DMV, explain where Brian came from.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Given everything you knew about Brian over the course of his life since he was a teenager, what was your first thought when Brian sent you this $5 billion bank draft?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
At Howard, yes, your basketball team.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
From the multiple national championship winning Duke dynasty.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Oh, s*** is also how I felt at this point, admittedly. But as Kenny and I were examining this documented proof, the proof of Brian's redemption, I started squinting at it and looking closer at it. And at that point, we both noticed something else. Brian's $5 billion bank draft, very importantly, was not coming from Brian's own bank account.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
It was coming from and was funded by, apparently, an estate, an entity entrusted with a dead person's assets. That was why Wells Fargo SGSR statutory trust was attached to this in the first place with all of that official letterhead. But this dead person, this dead billionaire, I realized, did not appear to be white or Jewish or Italian or Sicilian. No. This dead person was a lot more like me.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
The name of the estate on Brian's $5 billion bank draft was Severino Garcia Santa Romana. Say it again. Severino Garcia Santa Romana.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Now, when I initially heard that name, I swear that a tiny radar deep inside my brain just started beeping. Because of course, this story, this specific story, of course it had to be like this. Of course, Severino Garcia Santa Romana had to be like me and Dave Bautista and Olivia Rodrigo and any number of Asian looking people with Spanish names. Of course, Severino Garcia Santa Romana
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
had to be f***ing Filipino. This is just one of many insanely detailed YouTube videos about Severino Garcia Santa Romana, many of which I found are in Filipino, in Tagalog, the main language.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
But what I also found was dozens of message board threads about him with thousands of comments in English about how he was apparently a Catholic priest slash CIA operative with a dozen aliases, a key figure in what sounded like a legendary treasure hunt.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
They were just... That was from the History Channel. And after sifting through that and all these shows and movies and books and forums, all these threads, what became clear to me is that Severino Garcia Santa Romana was, yes, a legend unto himself. He was the person who allegedly wound up finding, stealing, really, all that Japanese gold. Billions of dollars of imperial Japanese gold.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
But Severino Garcia Santa Romana, importantly, has also been dead for 50 years now. And so his estate, according to Brian Davis's personal bank draft, was now controlled by two signed trustees, as aforementioned. There was a woman named Tarsiana C. Rodriguez, and there was a man named Demery Donald Norvell. And so, OK, what I want to do right now is just take a breath.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And I want to simplify things for everybody, including myself, because at this point, there were exactly two possibilities in my mind. So theory number one. Ryan Davis was legitimately in business with these two trustees.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Ryan Davis had cashed in on this fortune that all of those treasure hunters had been chasing, and he had done it by selling his intellectual property with Urban Echo Energy, his green energy business. He had sold that IP to this Wells Fargo and Citibank certified estate. That's theory number one. Theory number two, on the other hand, is a bit simpler.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Brian had just used this Filipino conspiracy to forge all of these financial documents himself. He had personally forged signatures for two undoubtedly imaginary trustees as part of another crazy scheme to finally buy his own professional sports team. And I should also admit that I, like everybody else, I was leaning extremely heavily toward theory number two. But then I got a call.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
It was Kenny Blakeney. And Kenny had Brian Davis himself on the other line. There is no recording of our three-way conversation with Brian, unfortunately. But what you should know is that it was emotionally volatile, let's say.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Instead of answering my many questions, which Brian found largely insulting, what he wanted me to do, very simply, was just report that Bank of America was refusing to return his certified and barcoded $5 billion bank draft that he had received from this estate. And that he, Brian Davis... now had a whole plan to get it back.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Yeah, youtube.com slash PabloToryFindsOut. Find the archival footage of that happening. That's a thing we did on ESPN1. But for me, Cortez, the message I most remember receiving, the message that still is sort of like cattle-branded into my brain, happened just this spring. and it was a text message that I got on a lazy May afternoon in New York City.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
So, Kenny, I'm thinking about that call, the conference call in which you brought me into your conversation with Brian on the phone. Brian had a plan to get his bank draft, the $5 billion bank draft, back from Bank of America. What did he tell us he was going to do?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And then Brian Davis actually did.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
The civil case of Urban Echo Energy LLC versus Bank of America was filed the very same day as my call with Brian and Kenny, and they filed it at U.S. District Court in Maryland. Brian was seeking the return in front of a federal judge of his $5 billion bank draft plus damages to be determined at trial. That's not all.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Brian had even signed and submitted a verified statement that declared under the penalties of perjury that he, Brian Davis, personally had this bank draft issued and bonded and delivered to Bank of America. And that the bank was, yeah, guilty of never informing the Snyders of its existence and that it was now refusing to give it back to him.
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You should know here at this point that nothing about Brian's lawsuit was making sense to me as again, a theory number two guy. And it also didn't make sense to at least one former federal prosecutor that I was speaking to. Because if theory number two, that Brian masterminded all of this himself, if that was correct,
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Brian had just taken this verifiably fake Citibank check and handed it to federal authorities to investigate, which felt to me like shockingly suicidal, right? And so what I started thinking about for the first time was a theory number three. So this is where I do need to reiterate that I spent months of my life turning Brian's bank drafts into my own insane personal treasure hunt.
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And I started with the Los Angeles phone number for Wells Fargo SGSR Statutory Trust, the entity allegedly managing the Severino Garcia Santa Romana estate.
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A little fishy, this company, I would say, but it got even fishier.
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I just wasn't sure what you guys are.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
A seafood vendor?
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Got it. Apologies. Thank you so much.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And so then I called the other number listed on the trust's website in Connecticut and an actual office worker this time physically picked up. In the office, this is Richard. Richard was more than happy to double check any and all details that I had questions about with this bank draft. How the estate's chosen bank was indeed Citibank.
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How the amount was $5 billion, a number I felt insane saying aloud, but Richard apparently did not even blink at it. And also how this bank draft listed the signatures of those two specific trustees.
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I remember I was eating a whole wheat tuna wrap. Disgusting. You're pathetic. Staring out the window of a diner counter. What's wrong with, I mean, I guess I have been yelled at before.
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My hairs at this point were kind of standing on end.
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That's correct. So again, this person's first name typed out on this document was Demery. His kind of weird last name, one word, was Donald Norvell. Demery Donald Norvell. But here's what was even weirder. The signature below this name was signed in handwriting, Donald Norvell Demery. Backwards. And Richard did not seem to care.
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Mr. Demery. Okay, great. This was the precise moment when I felt myself falling down a rabbit hole that is so much deeper than I can possibly, I think, ever get into. Like, it got to the point where rabbit hole stopped being an appropriate metaphor for this. What it felt like was that I was running a blacklight under, like, the motel couch of the American economy.
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For instance, Wells Fargo SGSR Statutory Trust said, What I realized about that was that they had no actual ties to Wells Fargo, the bank at all. Documents that I found showed that Mr. Demery was leasing, yeah, a small office space inside the Wells Fargo Center in L.A. But Mr. Demery was not a Wells Fargo employee in any way.
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And in fact, until last year, I discovered Wells Fargo SGSR Statutory Trust went by a different name. It was Quantum Trust SGSR. S-G-S-R.
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I did get yelled at once for eating a tuna wrap on an Acela. Ew, bro. You should be kicked off for that.
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But that's not all. No, Mr. Demery, it turned out, also had a ton of aliases himself, including, but not limited to, Demery Donald Norvell, Donald Demery Diaz, and then his actual birth name. Donald Norvell Calhoun. So, who is Donald Norvell Calhoun?
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Well, according to one lawsuit from July 2022, quote, Donald Calhoun is a career con man who has swindled millions of dollars from people and businesses across the United States. Donald Calhoun's scams all seem to share a common characteristic. Donald Calhoun makes promises of financing to people and businesses that need money, end quote.
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So in 2003, I discovered Mr. Calhoun slash Demery got sentenced to 37 months in federal prison after pleading guilty to a fraud scheme that cost investors $1.8 million. And in 2018, Mr. Demery was back and involved in a lawsuit from a movie production company over a fake $150,000 check.
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A check, I saw, that had the name of, yes, I think you guessed it at this point, Severino Garcia Santa Romana and Tarsiana C. Rodriguez. And then, in 2021, I saw... Mr. Demery and Ms. Rodriguez both signed a certificate from Quantum Trust SGSR for $300 billion. This time to back a penny stock of some kind that listed the same exact Connecticut phone number that I'd called before.
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But I digress. The reason why I remember this tuna wrap was because I got a message, a text message from my friend Kenny who happens to live in Washington, D.C., And Kenny is a D.C. guy, born and raised. He's actually now the head basketball coach at Howard University. Just made the tournament with Howard for the first time in 31 years. Yeah. In March. Yeah.
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All of which is how it became clear to me that theory number two, that, you know, Brian Davis made up all of this himself, that it was actually wrong. Brian did not invent the SGSR scam. For years and years, long before Brian's $5 billion bank draft ever existed, Mr. Demery had been running the same exact con, preying on desperate people who desperately needed money and or redemption.
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People like Brian Davis.
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That's my redemption song. Brian Davis, if you take over as the owner of... All of which finally brings me back to this theory number three. Because what if, and I need you to stay with me here, what if Brian Davis, after decades of desperation... was not the only scammer in this story.
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What if, in trying to scheme up the money to buy the commanders by, you know, selling his supposed green energy IP to Mr. Demery, Brian Davis had also himself gotten scammed? If Brian had been conned, scammed by the SGSR estate into believing that the bank draft was real... It would at least explain why he had presented it in federal court in that lawsuit to get it back.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Now, I tried contacting Mr. Demery to attempt to get to the bottom of this. Dude did not return my messages. Not totally surprised. But what I did wind up getting was a good look at him. Because another thing I discovered about Mr. Demery underneath this motel couch is that the guy loves trademarks. For instance, he recently tried trademarking the phrase king of NFTs because, of course, he did.
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And what he also tried to do was trademark a cartoon. Now, this cartoon is described in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office records as, quote, Tan animated cashew nut with human face featuring black eyebrows and eyes with muscular arms, hands, and legs, wearing high-top gray and black tennis shoes. End quote. And I gotta say, if you're not watching this on YouTube, accurate. Very accurate.
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He is the MEAC coach of the year, actually, right? He's a big deal in D.C. But the text that Kenny sent me in May, I should clarify, was not about any of that. And it was not actually text. This message was just an attachment, actually. It was a PDF of a bank draft. What is a bank draft? So a bank draft is just like a guaranteed check, basically.
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But the reason I bring up this insanely jacked California raisin ass nut is to say that when I first found a Getty image of a human being tagged as Donald Demery, I did not immediately know if this was the Mr. Demery.
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Like this Donald Demery in the Getty image photo was a happy looking black dude with a gray beard and black rimmed glasses and like an ornately patterned shirt and a leather Kangol style cap pointed forward. He was also notably throwing up deuces with both hands. But then I noticed something off to this human being's right on the white backdrop right behind him.
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Because there, right there, grinning back at me, was an insanely jacked animated cashew with a human goddamn face and tennis shoes. Right near the logo for what appeared to me as a trail mix company named These Nuts. In all caps, These Nuts. With a Z. Nutz.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And my first thought as I was processing all of this, which took a while, was that here I was gazing finally into the face of the real Mr. Demery, the Donald Norvell Calhoun, and that I really needed to talk to Brian. I really needed to tell him everything I had found here. But by then, Brian was back in the news, busy becoming a joke again. I have no idea what's going to happen.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
By May, Bank of America had declared in federal court to a federal judge that Brian's $5 billion bank draft looked, quote, fictitious, end quote. Because, yeah, of course it did. But within days, what Brian did was hard, I imagine. He voluntarily, shamefully, withdrew his lawsuit entirely. And then Brian Davis just disappeared.
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Kenny and I tried calling Brian over and over again, but that's the message we heard. And not only did his phone number just stop working. When Kenny sent an email to Brian's old Yahoo.com address, what we learned there was that that account was also deactivated. How much did Brian talk to you, Kenny, about what he was going to do once he bought the Washington Commanders?
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The question I have for you most of all is whether Brian believed that this bank draft, the $5 billion bank draft, his fortune, whether he believed that that was real.
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All summer, all NFL offseason, really, I could not stop thinking about Brian, about the difference between desperation and delusion and mental health, about how sports ownership actually was kind of the perfect treasure hunt for Brian Davis specifically.
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It's a form of check that carries a guarantee of funds. So it's like as good as money is what a bank draft is. And the amount of money associated with this bank draft, funds guaranteed by Citibank in this case specifically, certified by Wells Fargo, Was $5 billion. You said billion? A $5 billion bank draft. What was that for?
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I mean, Dan Snyder, let's do the accounting here, had drawn state and national and NFL investigations into his own sexual and financial misconduct. And that dude cashed in for a record $6 billion. Because, yeah, an NFL team is a money printing machine. It really is. It's a money printing machine that seems impossible to mess up, no matter how embarrassing or embarrassed you are.
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So long as you buy one. And now, after 25 years, Brian Davis had to accept the reality that he never would. But then, out of nowhere, I got a text from Kenny Blakeney. A text that told me to check my email. because Brian Davis was back. Weeks before Josh Harris would be formally introduced as the new owner of the Washington Commanders, Brian had forwarded Kenny a new email out of nowhere.
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It was the first he'd heard from him all month. And this email was an email that Brian had just sent to Bank of America. Bank of America, the same bank that he had recently sued and been humiliated by in federal court. The subject line.
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To be clear, there was zero acknowledgement anywhere in this email that Brian Davis had just sued these same exact people.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And it kept going like this. Brian was offering more and more money, more than ever before. And it was almost like he was trying to prove that humiliation only hurt if you let it, if you acknowledged it. And that he, Brian Davis, and his checks could still be redeemed.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And then, Brian Davis signed off.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
So at the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, I take the time to sit down at my computer and tell you what it is exactly that I found out today. And today, as we reflect upon this Russian nesting doll of scams, I should really start with this. Brian Davis is the single most relentless human being that I have ever personally encountered. Because in Brian's mind, the game is never over.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Even when it is actually, obviously, undeniably over. I fully believe that Brian is still attempting to purchase a pro sports franchise as we speak. And I expect him to resurface one day with even taller tails, taking even bigger swings.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And despite all the lies, despite all the alleged scams, or maybe really because of them, this story to me is just as much about Mr. Demery, the man who I suspect scammed a scammer.
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The NFL team. And so... This weekend, as football is kicking off in earnest, we're going to be on our couches just fusing to them. All day. Like those people in shows about how they need to be, like, you know, forklifted out of their homes. Right. I'm going to be thinking about the Commanders most of all because of the mystery that I plunged into after receiving this text.
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And so it's about the untold other predators also, the predators who are still hiding right now in the nooks and crannies of fraudulent documents and pump-and-dump schemes and reverse mergers and these various Potemkin Financial Services websites, all waiting to scam you. And me. What I found out today, in the end, is this.
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If you dare to run a blacklight under the motel couch of the American economy, what you'll discover, inevitably, are these nuts. With a Z. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show that has way more producers than David Sampson's show. And they are.
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Michael Antonucci, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rachel Miller-Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tuminello, Complete with Studio Engineering by Viridian Tech, post-production by NGW Post, Theme Song by Gian Bravo, and also Mike Ryan, Dan Levitarts, Dugatz, thank you to you guys, John Skipper, Bimal Kapadia, Jenny Rutherford, Frankie, and Frankie's Gun, shout out to you.
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I'm Violet Torre, who could forget? Liz, my wife, I am so sorry for being an advocate.
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My tuna wrap, delicious as it was, it sat there uneaten. And I just fell into a rabbit hole, inside of which I think I still remain today as we sit here at this table. Because down in that rabbit hole with me, it turned out, were the Imperial Japanese Army, Bob Marley, Christian Laettner, the worst owner in all of American sports, my family's ancestral homeland. Of course.
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And also, of course, these nuts. Okay. I'm very interested. Yeah. I'll explain after the break. So this story starts back in April 2023, back when Dan Snyder, the worst owner in all of American sports, finally agreed to do the thing that he had refused to do for like a quarter century.
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Before Josh Harris, that finance guy who also owns the 76ers and the New Jersey Devils, nobody had ever agreed to pay $6 billion to buy any team in the entire history of sports. But the day after this historic announcement, something happened that threatened to change everything.
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As record-setting as the sale was, it was not final. Not yet. The agreement was still in principle, which meant that another bidder was very welcome to come along and pay Dan Snyder even more.
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So Brian Davis actually won two national championships at Duke, to be specific. And he was not at all the best player on that dynasty from the 90s. Brian had averaged like seven points on teams that had Grant Hill and Bobby Hurley and Brian's roommate, Christian Laettner. But Brian was their leader. Brian was the captain they all elected. And once again... Here was Brian Davis taking charge.
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But there was a problem. Everybody knew Josh Harris as a billionaire. When he bought the Sixers, for instance, a New York Times headline called him a private equity prince. But nobody. Nobody, including Bank of America, the bank managing the team sale, had any idea how in the f*** Brian Davis had all of this money.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
The outlet front office sports, they reported that the true source of Brian's billions might be Saudi Arabian investors. Brian's college coach, Coach K, he had questions of his own, I am told.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And as one Bank of America managing director wrote, replying directly to Brian's submission of financial documents in an email I obtained, quote, Are you able to send us some background and further details regarding the $10 billion of cash that you have on your balance sheet? Many thanks. End quote.
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So, Cortez, do you notice anything different about me today at the last show of our week here?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
All of which is why Brian eagerly called into the Sports Junkies, a live, super popular sports radio show in Washington, D.C.
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No, Brian had never replicated his success at Duke in the NBA. The guy was out of the league after playing less than 70 games with the Timberwolves. But over those subsequent 25 years, Brian had helped develop a real estate venture with Christian Laettner in Durham, North Carolina, called the West Village, which eventually sold for $275 million.
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Then they bought and sold an ownership stake in DC United, the Major League Soccer team. And since then, and this is the most important part, Brian had launched his own green energy infrastructure business, which he called Urban Echo Energy.
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For some reason. We have found out a lot this week on Pablo Torre Finds Out. Why I'm wearing shorts. Go listen to yesterday's episode with Katie Nolan to find out why I will never wear pants again. That's one thing we found out.
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So take the aforementioned real estate development in Durham, for instance, that became that big success. What Brian doesn't love discussing is how he had tried to replicate that same model in bigger cities. and then got sued for loans he could not repay, which was a giant humiliation. Or take that ownership stake in DC United that I told you about.
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Brian had also agreed to buy a majority stake in the NBA's Memphis Grizzlies for nine figures. But then he failed to produce the money he had to personally guarantee with that. Another giant humiliation.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And in fact, Ryan has been sued by NBA Hall of Famer Scottie Pippen, who invested in that Grizzlies deal, and his fellow Duke basketball alum, Johnny Dawkins, and NFL star Sean Merriman, who immediately called bulls**t on Ryan's commander's bid on Twitter.
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had changed.
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And this song, the song that Brian claimed as his own redemption song by Bob Marley. That's what played in my head for months. In May, about a month after that interview, Brian Davis was back at Duke for his son's graduation. It was supposed to be this big nostalgic celebration. But instead, what I learned was that Brian was enraged.
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I do want people to understand that Ryan Cortez used to be a member of a thing called Roid Crew. Allegedly. That's a separate Finds Out investigation. But we learned, speaking of investigations, that Stu Gatz did better P-tape journalism than Rachel Maddow this week.
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Not only was Bank of America refusing to take him seriously, still, as the gatekeepers managing the sale of his childhood team, Bank of America, Brian claimed, was actually refusing to give him back his money. You see, this whole time, everyone had been asking for proof of Brian's billions.
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Well, what Brian says is that he had already sent by courier a signed and barcoded bank draft, a guaranteed uncancellable check from Citibank for five billion dollars. That's with a B. And by the way, Brian didn't just send this document to Bank of America. He had forwarded the PDF to one of his Duke teammates, a guy he knew from back in D.C. who is now the head coach at Howard University.
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I don't even know what that means, but okay. Right after this ad.
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And also an old friend of mine, Kenny Blakeney, who sent that same PDF at Brian's request to me. I mean, I very vividly remember how I got sucked into this story because you sucked me into it. I did. I mean, I remember getting that text that was just a PDF. And I click that PDF and inside of it is this $5 billion bank draft.
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And when you sent it to me, did you know that it was going to take over my life?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Why is daddy constantly Googling? Why did Brian want to talk to me?
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I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
What Brian really wanted, I realized, was a journalist. He wanted a journalist who might put down the tuna wrap he was eating, sadly by himself, to personally verify the bank draft, the redemption of Brian Davis. Yeah, when I look at this stuff, it looks real. Like I've never seen a $5 billion bankrupt before, but this is how I would imagine it comes.
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Do you know this one friend who just comes out of bed in the morning and then doesn't come out of his grin? Who is even in front of the first coffee, shamelessly well-groomed and shines around the bed with the morning sun? Terrible. Disgusting. How can you just be so... Restless?
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Share & Party & Tell with Mina Kimes, Katie Nolan and Patricia Mahomes
Are you renting like a venue?
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Share & Party & Tell with Mina Kimes, Katie Nolan and Patricia Mahomes
Nice. I love that irrelevant story.
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No, it's not because it's not. It wasn't really a party. It was a wedding. Weddings are different.
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But it's like they're not really. They're a separate thing.
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That's one thing I did, by the way, that tells you that you have no evidence. How did you know she was hammered?
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And she was saying? And she said?
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Pablo, we don't say it enough, but I really do love you. I'm so proud of you. I'm sure it was closer to that.
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That's great. That's ideal. People would pay for that from Mina Kahn's.
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Full backstory. It was Trump's idea originally. Was it not?
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Was he not the first person who came out and was like, I think we should ban this.
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And I have like 9,000 like disparate thoughts on it that like don't all... So number one, I think a lot of the narrative about TikTok is like it's just stupid dances. And I feel like we are glossing over a lot of the value that TikTok provides. Like I feel like... people were very, oh, I don't use TikTok. I'm not, I'm not a child. I'm not dancing on the internet.
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And it's like, well, there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people who like run businesses on TikTok. There's a lot of like interesting commentary on TikTok. Musicians that you would never have heard of that you know now because of TikTok. Like it's, it, It is what it is. It's a social media app. It is a center for brain rot.
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But it is also, like, it has its, let's not paint it with a broad brush and say that it's just, like, garbage. Like, it's, they all are then in that case.
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I think the comment sections in my experience tend kinder. I think when they are mean, they can be very mean. But I do think my first reaction when I was first started scrolling through TikTok was that like, whoa, the comments are like hyping this person up instead of bullying them.
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I will also say it's a place where like, I know that the government's issue with it mainly, as you said, Mina, wasn't the propaganda aspect of it, but. It is a place where you can hop on and share your opinion. And it's possible your opinion is being influenced by these opinions that are being put out there by people that have nefarious means.
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You can see how it could be used, as any media could be used, to spread propaganda effectively.
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Yeah, I think kids were born into a world where that's everything. They just watched an inauguration where the owners of all of the social media were with the president.
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Right, and you're like, okay, so the government's always got my data. Kids care so little that when they got rid of TikTok for a few hours, they downloaded an app officially owned by the government of China. Yes.
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If I'm honest, if I'm completely honest, I think what I would miss the most is hearing other people's drama. Drama that does not affect me, but that someone else is really fired up about. I would miss that. I would miss getting face... I've watched a lot of TikToks where I feel like I'm FaceTiming with somebody who I don't know, and they're telling me a juicy story.
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But it was like, Where you hear from just people. Anybody can upload. Anybody can upload and it can get enough traction and can go. Like, I could just bump into the experiences of regular people scrolling through my phone.
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No, I think there probably was machinations to it that I don't understand. But if you put up a banger of a video, it's going to get out to more people and more people will see it no matter who you are. So you could be a big account. But like my TikTok algorithm didn't have any of the like TikTok influencers that I know of through like people talking about TikTok.
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But it had, like, just, like, Lola Young. I don't know if anybody knows her. She's a musician that I love from England. I never would have heard her music if I hadn't had TikTok. I found Dochi on TikTok forever ago. Like, that's just, like, that's where I, like, find stuff. The music discovery.
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If that's not catchy to you, you're out of your f***ing mind. That's a banger. That song is a banger.
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Mandy Reid.
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Yes. Yes. She is, she makes those seven layer bars. That have the chocolate chips and the coconut. Yeah, yeah. That's what she brings to the bake sale. And she always makes more than enough. Like it's a good amount of bars.
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A five layer dip.
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I'm getting that we didn't slide the slider over far enough. I'm seeing too much CJ Stroud in this woman.
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Yeah, the eyes are a little different. I think they probably gave her some lashes or something and maybe made them a little bit more up a little like we do with our makeup, whatever that's called. But this is still just CJ Stroud to me.
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Flawless face.
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I was going to say, the way that Travis Kelsey was pre-Taylor Swift, I think, is also being memory holed. Just as a personality-wise.
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Yes. Yeah, this person's name is Samantha. I knew that right away. I looked right at the picture and I said, oh, Samantha? So that's, I know that doesn't rhyme with any of his name in any way, but that's a Samantha if I've ever seen one. She's a coach of a women's high school team.
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Mm-hmm. Or softball.
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Oh, my God.
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Who is this?
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What's his name? What's his face? Pablo, say his name.
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I cannot tell.
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Yeah, Dan Quinn. It's Dan Quinn?
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That's Dan Quinn?
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God, that's so funny.
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Oh my God, so hot. I've seen this. So hot. Yeah, I'm going to go the other way on that.
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It's not for you. You don't want to bang Patricia Mahomes.
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Is this hot male Mina? Because this is going to f*** me up.
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Zoom into the face if you can. This is my brother. This is straight up. Huh. Interesting.
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Why did it do that gray thing on her shoulder then?
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Why did it do that thing on her shoulder?
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I mean, look... It's weird because her right ear is hers. The left ear, it does look like you cut a picture and put it on her... Oh, it's her hair. It's trying to... Okay.
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Which I, for the record, I'm not saying.
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Well, let's see. Oh, boy.
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I mean, I'm actually, I kind of see it more than I've ever when I look at my brother and I'm like, we don't look alike. I kind of weirdly do see it here, but not a lot. Not a lot. But a little. More than I usually do.
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It's also the same haircut I had my whole childhood. It looks incredibly... It's what it looked like for my childhood.
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Okay. Now that, I'm dating him. Wow.
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Yeah. That's right. He wears a deep V and a necklace or two. Not bad. Okay. That's Dan as a lady. Okay, girl. Yeah. What a sweetie. Look at Myrtle.
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It's her birthday, by the way. Happy birthday, Myrtle.
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It might have. I think Dan looks cute. I think he looks like the, not the lead, but a supporting character in like a teen movie like Divergence or something. Like one of those movies about like the world has ended and we're all teenagers. What do we do? Oh my God. A teacher. My third grade teacher.
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I think there'd be similarities.
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Is that what Dan wore that night? Or is that an updated answer? Yeah. Did Dan wear that blouse with that jacket? She's like, look at me. Oh, my God. Pablo. Damn. Are you the hottest of all of us?
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Yeah, I think she looks sweet. I think she looks sweet. Sorry, I won't be saying anything further so as not to incriminate my... That's a beautiful woman.
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The visual segment on the audio medium? Probably.
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Out of your minds.
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Newspaper, it's owned by Jeff Bezos. You think that the Washington Post is better? It's owned by Jeff Bezos. They didn't endorse a political candidate.
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Bye. What'd you find out before you leave?
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Hey, how's everybody doing? I'm dressed like Parappa the Rapper today.
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Sometimes I feel something like that. Sometimes I just feel like this is right and then you leave the house and you're like, it was wrong. But here we are. You look like you make YouTube videos for children right now. Yeah, and I pretty much, don't we all?
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But with black ears. It was white and black coloring.
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Which is what completed the outfit. I did take it off before I got on camera, though.
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Yeah, but we're done now. We promise. Do you watch Miss Rachel? Is that what we were chatting about? Everybody loves Miss Rachel.
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Pablo, what? Yeah, what are you talking about?
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Right, right.
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Let me see. Show me. Show me to me, Rachel.
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That's hot, Pablo.
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Yeah. Pablo.
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No, you don't.
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Because I like to miss that part. It's on purpose. It's by design. Get that shit out of the way.
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I just did mine. Wearing the same outfit.
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Not on YouTube yet. Everybody's very mad about.
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Mina's booked. Awkward, because I'm booked.
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Oh, shoot. I'll make sure that we fix that.
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I brought an article from The Atlantic because I'm fancy. I'm a fancy lady who reads The Atlantic. It was about how we're not partying enough.
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Basically, you know, a conversation we've been having a lot is about how people don't have friends or we're not seeing each other ever since the pandemic or all these other various cultural factors are affecting how often we're seeing and interacting with our social circles. And this piggybacks off of that and says... that America is in a party deficit.
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They cite the fact that Party City is closing, a place where you get all of your... Which is a massive story.
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Streamers.
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The party, you could say, is over.
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Yeah, it's like goodie bags. It's where you go to get all the little stuff to put in a bag that nobody's going to want.
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Only 4.1% of Americans attended or hosted a social event on an average weekend or holiday in 2023. This is a 35% decrease since 2004. Wow.
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Yeah, like I feel like in my ideal world, it's in a lot of ways it isn't like this, but it's like Mad Men, you know, those that party he throws where they've got that like. Remember in that era, the like sunken in living rooms that have like the little step down and everybody just has like a cocktail. Yeah, and it's just like sitting and chat.
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That's my dream is if socializing meant everybody just came to my house and we just sat around and like watched and talked and mingled. But I also just feel like, and maybe this informs what's happening or maybe this is just my mental illness, but I feel like inviting somebody over especially in New York City, is a cop out by me. I feel like it's me being like, want to come to my house?
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It's like, no, of course they don't. They're in New York City. They want to go out to a bar or a restaurant. And I'm like, why don't you just come over to my house? And like sit around and watch like sports and control the volume ourselves and like order some food and hang out. But that feels like an, I don't know, that feels like a cheap, it's like get up. Get dressed. Leave, Katie.
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Get out of the house. But I would love if people... I'd throw a party every week if you guys would come over. I would come over.
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You have to throw them. Your parents have to go away. You have to throw them. And then everyone shows up and they still don't talk to you. That's my experience.
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No. My memories are shit. Oh, so the point, my point was partying. We need to do it more.
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Yeah. Lucky for you, my birthday is next week. So get started. Are you going to have a party? I don't think so. I don't know. I, um, look, I haven't worked in a while and I'm working a bunch now. So I'm like, I don't know if we're going to have a party. It's just going to have to happen to me. I'm not going to be, I haven't put any thought into it, but, uh,
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You should. Everybody should. I think it's like an excuse to bring your friends even if they're not all friends with each other necessarily.
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The Belichick Ring Mystery, Solved: How Pablo's Investigation Just Got Weirder
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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At this point, these news sources I was cultivating informed me of another major development. Because remember when we posed the question about what other videos are there out there? What could there be? Turns out that there, in fact, is another video of Bill Belichick from this ring cam that had been floating out into the ether. And so I want to remind you again, this was the original.
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I mean, he's sort of like wandering around like a dazed bear. Yeah.
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Goes to reach into the... Where's his shirt? Wheel well. The wheel well. Where's his shirt? He's shirtless. Where's the shirt? It's in the wheel well. I got... Good news and bad news.
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The bad news is I have no idea where his shirt is.
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Because here exclusively for the first time is the other video.
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He has a satchel. Yeah, it's got a little murse.
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Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week. And that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building. She is not allowed on the football field.
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Bedhead. That is a clinical case of bedhead. Yes, exactly.
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Well, I'm glad you asked. Because simultaneously, what at M. Cantau, who turned out to be a German geoguessr, what he sent me is a message. And the message, quote, is, the ring cam is located here. Yeah, that's terrifying. And then he named the town. He named the address. He gave me a couple screenshots from Google Maps.
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I was also sweaty, a bit nervous.
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Because at this point, I decided to take a trip.
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You've raised the number of very legitimate questions about how it is that we just played you a video of me, uh, On that porch.
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Okay, so.
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So the first thing I should explain is that.
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There's a box underneath the table.
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The next thing is the box. Please get the box.
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I'm lightheaded.
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What I should explain is that the day before I went on this reporting trip to this house, I went to Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe's live podcast. Shout out. Shout out to a touch more. And they had gift bags. And this is not a joke. They were literally giving away Ring cams.
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Right after this ad.
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This is my ring cam.
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That we set up at that house.
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Now, what I did do, though— You don't want to touch it anymore?
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I'm scared of it. What I did do, though, as we explain how it is that we have ring camera footage of me doing that, is that I found the Airbnb listing, which had been taken down previously. It was not the same one, but I was matching photos. And I wasn't sure if it was the house. Like, how could you really tell? It wasn't exactly— you know, screenshots of the Ring camera video that we had shown.
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But the smoking gun did reveal itself among the reviews.
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And that review encouraged me to rent this Airbnb. Wow. So... At this point, I'd like to take you on a tour.
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Of my vacation getaway.
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No. So here I am in the foyer. There's the curtain in front of the washer dryer. This is the door to the kitchen.
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You know, it's very nice. What's that called?
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It's very nice. Railroad style. Long hallway. Okay. And we're at the end of the property. This is about 700 square feet. There's some nautical theme stuff you may see. Very clean, very nice. Opening up of the sheer curtains to the bedroom. Oh, whoa.
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And there is one straight line. It has like, you know, a college dorm sort of scale to it.
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It might be.
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It is the downstairs apartment of a house in Winthrop, Massachusetts. Winthrop, of course. Winthrop.
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just outside of Boston. And so that, yeah, I think that's a full or a double bed.
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Yeah.
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And when I took this tour and I got the gist, I was like, I think my work here is done.
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Yeah. I tried. I tried to be done. Yeah. I tried to leave. But what happened was— Just when you thought you were out. The upstairs owner was like, I want to introduce myself. Oh?
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Once again, Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz-Cain, thank you for being here, and I'm sorry.
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She came downstairs, stopped by, and for better and for worse, recognized me. Oh, dear! Yeah. At which point I said, hi, would you be willing to answer a few questions about your property and what seems to be the most famous porch in Massachusetts? And provided that we kept her anonymous and just used the audio, she agreed. Oh my God. What's your relationship to this place?
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And you guys are sports fans?
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You have papers again in front of you.
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But it works. So this is the couple that owns the Airbnb. They seem sweet. They do seem sweet. They are very sweet. And something that they make clear, which is insane to me, is that they didn't own it for that long before this all happened to them. And as a new host, as you now learned through her experience with me, she's very friendly. And she offered the same courtesy to Jordan Hudson.
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There's a box. There's a box in this room under this table. We're going to find out what's in the box because this is even weirder than it was last time. That's impossible.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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I am so glad you asked that question. Yes, finally.
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I went on a reporting trip this weekend. What do you mean? I left my family to do this.
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I mean, with that accent, I can only discern this to be the most genuine reaction for a Bostonian Patriots fan to have when he's not sure, is this man Bill Belichick?
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So this was, as Key Context is concerned, the second Airbnb guest they ever had.
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And this was happening. This video was taken on June 28th. 2023 during OTAs, organized team activities in the NFL. And I just need to clarify something because when it comes to how the video originally circulated, how did it get out? This was the original mystery that compelled me to even go, which is like, where did this come from? How did this get out here? Who leaked it?
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This episode will involve yet more online reviews. Oh, God. As a brief foreshadowing. And we tried not to do this. We did an episode about Vladimir Putin's partnership with a German soccer team. Okay. And this was important reporting. And the response from Greg Dickerson on Twitter was, quote, stop wasting your time with the small time stuff like Putin. We need more Belichick ring camera videos.
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And they wanted to be extraordinarily clear that not only was it not them, They regret not making money off of this because this is what happened.
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They sent it to some friends and were like, is this Bill Belichick, the favorite coach of the man who co-owns this house? And everybody that they sent it to was like, of course it is Bill Belichick.
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I think there is a chain of custody beyond which they have zero visibility.
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And someone... I mean, what other proof I have that this is not them has to do with the fact that some of my sources who tipped me off to the fact that this is an Airbnb outside of Boston, I got sent screenshots of group chats from before this was released.
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The Belichick Ring Mystery, Solved: How Pablo's Investigation Just Got Weirder
And it's all... lots of people in the Boston area just talking about how this thing is about to drop and it's just, and they're not in it for whatever that's worth. But lots of people clearly were like trading this video until it made its way out.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry.
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That's all right. Thanks. Oh, and I should clarify that like a key part of what I'm finding out, by the way, to be very, very clear is that I also don't have any evidence that Jordan Hudson is the one who leaked this.
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So like the whole thing of did Jordan release the tape? Was it her house? Did she release the video herself? The thing that she did that was not the greatest, again, opsec, as they say in like the Defense Department.
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You got it. You got it. Nice. is that it didn't seem like Bill Belichick was aware that, in fact, in the listing for this Airbnb, it very clearly says there's a ring cam as he was wandering back and forth loading his car before 6 a.m., which you can tell also in the timestamps.
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So I do want to go back to the tweet that I feel like is increasingly accurate that Jordan Hudson retweeted.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. Because when you go to that tweet on her page and you click on it and you're like, what is this in response to? It is a response to this awful announcing article that is aggregating a piece of information that I had in our first episode that we did together. And it said, quote, Pablo Torre, colon, Jordan Hudson was around Patriots as early as 2021. That is the response.
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That is the tweet that led Daddy G to say, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. This is also a bit of information that people have doubted. People have doubted whether she could possibly have been around the Patriots in 2021. For instance, on Twitter, there's a guy, Jamie McDonald, who said, quote, yeah, I don't believe a thing this dude says, honestly.
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Maybe she was, but if Pablo Torre is the one saying it, I don't believe it. And then he goes on to further disparage my credibility in general. How dare. The New York Times reported this week, quote, Ms.
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Hudson has not shared publicly when or how her romantic relationship with Mr. Belichick began in earnest, but by the summer of 2023, she was spending time in Foxborough, Mass., where the Patriots are headquartered, end quote. And so this brings us back to this larger question about what did NFL teams know? What did anybody know about their relationship?
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Such that the teams that were contemplating interviewing, even hiring Bill Belichick to be their head coach, and possibly more, which again, no one did. This question sort of rests on this timeline of like, so when was she around? When did this relationship start? When was she around NFL buildings? And so...
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And so after the episode came out and everybody was making a big deal of the fact that I said that Jordan Hudson was banned from the Carolina football facilities, from the field, from the program, that she wasn't welcome there, wasn't wanted there, all that stuff. University of North Carolina had a choice to make when it came to their response. They could have said, this reporter is incorrect.
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I had to figure out how do I prove what I had been told, which is that she was around Gillette Stadium in November, 2021. How do I prove this? And so Michael. Oh no. You got papers in front of you. Oh my God. And I want you to describe what it is that you are seeing.
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Okay. That I didn't know about until last week. I know about this. Katie Nolan, you're familiar? Please explain.
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Impression. What I didn't realize is that this was a whole searchable thing with, like, high-definition cameras everywhere where you could zoom in to any part of the stadium.
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It is, in fact, a Patriots Panopticon.
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What I found after exhaustive searching of the Patriots fan cam database... Good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby.
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Was the Sunday, November 28th, 2021, when the Tennessee Titans visited the New England Patriots. I don't understand.
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28th? 28th, 2021. It's the Patriots' 36-13 win over the Tennessee Titans. You may recall it as the time Mac Jones threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns. Ramond Ray Stevenson had 46 yards on the ground. Jacoby Myers, 98 yards receiving. What I learned in my reporting is that Bill Belichick has a row of seats.
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He has multiple seats outdoors, not merely in his luxury box somewhere, but out right beneath the overhang in Gillette Stadium, which is a pretty good seat, it turns out. Good sight lines also cover from the elements. And what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium's fan cams You're telling me that you just went through it?
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I knew roughly the month, November. I didn't know exactly the section. And what was a real mother****er for me was that when you start doing this, the first set of photos is from pregame. And so when you go to that, you don't see... three people who seem to be sitting together in those seats. You, in fact, almost contemplate giving up on this episode entirely.
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She is welcome here. Period. What they did, though, was release a statement.
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Yeah, sure. I don't see anything. Only to realize that, in fact, there's a time-lapse dynamic in which you click forward to like the first quarter. And suddenly materializing in three empty seats are three people that I recognize because a separate bit of photography I had seen before is in fact a photo of Jordan Hudson at a Patriots game. And that is… The next piece of paper.
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So Jordan had posted this photo on Facebook of her and two people that I don't know. And I… did some basic research and may or may not know who they are, but that's largely relevant to what we're doing here. And yes, you can clearly see that this is Jordan Hudson wearing the same outfit in the fan cam video alongside two people who are also wearing the identical outfits.
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I do often think about what New England Bill Belichick would say to North Carolina Bill Belichick when it comes to the concept of distraction and media strategy and who to trust. Because if nothing else, what we are talking about, beyond a story about power, which was the theme of the last episode we did, it's just a story where you pull at any thread and you will find...
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in some cases, a literal thread attached to a mattress in an Airbnb in Massachusetts, or in the case of Gillette Stadium, a trail that goes back on camera that is verifiable years earlier. And all I'm saying is, The whole thing about, like, don't be a distraction, do your job, we don't talk or worry about the media.
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We are seeing one character become so opposite that it has been disorienting for everybody involved.
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So this is where I do need to reiterate that for all of my reporting here, neither Jordan Hudson nor Bill Belichick nor the University of North Carolina has responded to our requests for comment. And look, yes, this story may have very, very dumb aspects to it. Fully acknowledge that.
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but it is also the story of the most highly paid public employee in the state of North Carolina today, who also happens to be the greatest coach in the history of America's most popular sport, as well as the foremost cultural example of what it means to do your job and eliminate distraction, as he preached to the greatest and most famous quarterback of all time, who was publicly joking about the video whose mystery we have now solved today.
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And so look, yes, if you think sports are important, I find it hard to not treat this story as worthy of inspection, regardless of the whole age gap dynamic, regardless of the whole he met her on a plane when she was 19 years old thing, although I also consider that worth mentioning.
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She became the person Bill Belichick empowered to the point where he told North Carolina to CC her on every single email sent to him.
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She was managing his public image and actual media businesses, and the people who diminish her influence, as well as fail to consider the influence this had on NFL hiring processes, clearly didn't talk to the same people that I have now interviewed, let alone his family and his inner circle and university administrators. But Jordan Hudson and I agree on two things, at the very least.
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Number one, I really do need a new hobby. I've spent way too much time reporting, fact-checking. For instance, this week, the New York Times reported that Jordan Hudson has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are now engaged to be married. What I can tell you is that as recently as March, Belichick told a friend who directly asked him about this that they are not engaged.
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She doesn't work here, that's for sure. Which is an interesting thing that only became more accentuated when Bill Belichick resumed his press tour for this book that was the whole heart of the CBS Sunday morning thing that went haywire. And the messaging seemed to take on a very deliberate new tone.
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And if they are, mazel tov. But the second thing that Jordan Hudson and I absolutely agree on brings me back to Winthrop, Massachusetts.
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And so what I needed to do here, at the end, was leave a review of my own. It is pretty amazing that this apartment is just 22 minutes outside of Boston.
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It has an in-unit washer and dryer, a dining area slash workspace, excellent water pressure, by the way, a relatively new smart television, a full-size bed with freshly changed sheets, and this sheer curtain, which provides some privacy, but not quite as much as you'd think. 5 stars.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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So, you know, it just seems like there has been a change, right? They had a new PR person. This guy, Brandon Faber, used to work for the Chicago Bears. He's now the PR person in charge. It's not Jordan Hudson. She is, as Belichick said, off to the side. Only a personal thing, not personal and professional, as she had said in that statement previously released.
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But it was complicated, I thought, when I heard Channing Crowder, one of the co-hosts of the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark, the last interviewer in that montage, because he described his experience on set with Bill Belichick in that interview like this.
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A bit more complicated behind the scenes once again. The second reaction I have, though, is that I want Katie Nolan to turn over the first page. Oh, no.
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You might need to. I mean, look, what's been happening is that Jordan Hudson has been sidelined.
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Except she's also still around.
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She is not speaking, actually.
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First page only.
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She's not incorrect that my life has been consumed by this story. And she is so correct, actually, that the real reason I summoned you here is not for any of the shit we just ran through. Oh, no. What? It's to get to the fact that there is a thing that we didn't even put into the original episode that we did.
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I'm excited and scared.
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It became world famous, and I mean that literally, because of Tom Brady. who Katie Nolan may recall from his work with the New England Patriots.
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Because he was the center of a Netflix roast, and everybody who was there was some version of associated or instrumental to the New England Patriots and their dynasty, including Bill Belichick. And when millions of people around the world tuned in, they heard Tom Brady say this.
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It's not dissimilar either. Are you guys familiar with this RingCam video?
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I'm scared of it. No, because it went viral, truly, in November 2023. But the video, for those not familiar, did look like this.
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Well, what happened with this video is that there have been a flood of questions.
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But nobody has ever determined the truth of where this video comes from. Until. When it was taped. If there are other videos out there. Until. Now. Until now.
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Go to break. So the Ring camera in question, the video that got circulated all over the internet, some Boston-area person actually watermarked it. It went viral. And it was most famously described in my research this way, quote, DailyMail.com can reveal the expatriate's coach was sneaking out of the Massachusetts home of his 24-year-old former cheerleader girlfriend, Jordan Hudson.
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The Ring footage, believed to be from November last year, shows the legend shirtless opening the front door of Hudson's $800,000 Massachusetts property in the early hours of the morning. What? weird detail a lot of people by the way because of this i think understandably uh they have theorized that did this leak come from inside the house yeah as it were did jordan hudson
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maybe leak this, is a theory that has been promulgated. I can tell you that Bill Belichick's own family has been terrified, panicked by this video existing. Imagine if suddenly your 70-year-old patriarch is shown shirtless, you know, bountifully. Bountifully? Effectively. Zoftig, I believe.
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And they say, where did this come from? What else is happening here? Who has this?
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Yeah. And in fact, one NFL executive whose team discussed hiring Bill Belichick last offseason before the entire league turned Belichick down, says their front office saw the video, didn't know what to make of this video when it got circulated online. This has been a big part of the story behind the scenes.
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It is a missing piece of Belichick's personal and professional trajectory, to paraphrase Jordan Hudson before. And I didn't want to take any of this reporting at face value, of course. So when I appeared on a podcast, pardon my take, I used their platform to say this. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy, Rainbolt, who's the geocaster guy.
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Yeah, he's incredible. And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery.
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He's the geoguessing goat.
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Okay.
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I'm obsessed with Rainbolt, and I have many, many questions for Rainbolt himself, that I might ask him now that we have an ongoing messaging relationship.
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And he said at 9.12 a.m., I've been sent that podcast clip many times, ha-ha, period. I'm not home for about a week, but just LMK what you need from me, and I can see what I can do later. Salute emoji. I respond, send him some screenshots, the video that you saw of Belichick, the ring cam, and he replied, currently at 18,000 feet in Nepal, but I'll do my best, ha ha ha ha ha, exclamation point.
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What? Supposed to be back Tuesday, but will send to friends that can get an early jump that are just as talented.
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The side side story is that apparently... There is an Avengers-level roster of geoguessers. That's sick. Because what Rainbolt says on Saturday at 10.06 a.m. is, all right, sent out to about eight highly skilled individuals. Terrifying. Including At M. Cantau, who is a wizard in his own right, will keep you updated, exclamation point.
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And this week, another twist in the back and forth media saga. Sports journalist Pablo Torre reporting that Hudson is being blacklisted by the university's football program. He shared the alleged details on his podcast.
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My army of eight geoguessers. proceeded to be on the case. And as I'm waiting for this army of eight geoguessers to help us with our reporting, simultaneously, because I've been on all these things, all these shows, talking about this story in my reporting. So many. I started getting a couple tips.
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And what these tips started suggesting to me, and I had to track all this stuff down, try to verify it, fact check it, is that this house, actually, there's a key detail that has been misreported. It was actually an Airbnb. The problem being that the listing had been taken down. And so there was another dead end but a clue.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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It's just impossible to disentangle your experience as a user trying to read things that are meant as just actual thoughts from the things that are meant to trigger. It's just really hard to think that I am getting a thought as opposed to someone's attempt to get money.
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I'm so glad you bring that up because so much of the discussion about these two platforms and the exodus and what people are looking for at echo chambers is about politics.
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I'm sorry to interrupt you.
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Certainly there is a political element to this, but Pablo, you're speaking to the other thing that has made that app fairly and significantly less user-friendly and unpleasant. And I think it's not political at all, which is the engagement farming, which is that people are now using it to make money in the lowest... It is all either rage bait, engagement bait, misinformation.
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It's the lowest common denominator. And one thing that has been nice is when I opened the algorithm on Blue Sky, the viral posts have just been funny. It's been like good jokes. It reminds me of Twitter back in the old days.
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Why we fell in love with this terrible, addictive platform that we all hated initially also in the first place.
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And not it's not they're not political jokes. They're just like weird, goofy observations, mundane things. They're cleverly written. And that's what I want out of social media. I just want to be entertained. I also I will say this, though, I have really and I hope it lasts and I hope that the moderation tools keep working.
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I have really missed hearing from people who actually watch and listen and read what we do because I have not been able to do that now for the last three years or whatever ever since Elon Musk took over, a little bit before that, to be honest. And it really has been quite gratifying. And again, maybe I'm a loser for wanting to hear from folks and wanting to talk back to them. But I missed it.
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You tried to get out of the, that was an actual.
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I missed that part of social media. And it is fun, however short-lived it'll be.
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If you're out there, if you're out there and you have a video of this, send it in. Send it in to our show. We want the tape of this. That is actually, I'm so glad Valerie was there. Jesus, man.
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A real human who speaks to me like a human being who has objections to my thoughts or wants something different out of my show, I will absolutely hear out. The problem is on the other app, it's people being paid to inflame, paying to pick fights, who are just, you know, they're not there for anything being done in good faith. And the people who are, their voices are being ground out.
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Yeah, all of it just to say that becomes the blue sky. I give about two months. Two months and then roll back.
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Oh, glasses, glasses, glasses on.
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When he puts his glasses on, you know it's going to be a serious story.
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He's riffling through papers.
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I don't think sports media is more negative than it was 5, 10, 15 years ago. I just think that per our earlier discussion, the people who run social media accounts for sports media understand that putting out the most divisive, controversial, whatever, things that are said... There is more likely to engagement. And I think athletes, agents, which climate are more likely to see those things.
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So I think there is if there's any if there's veracity to sort of what they're both claiming. And again, it's a little bit muddled here. It's centered in the fact that social media is amplifying negativity as opposed to the underlying commentary being different from what it was in the past.
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You were a charging wildebeest and you effectively intimidated them.
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You don't think 15 years ago, I, I have seen some really toxic segments, really. I mean, the discourse around LeBron James in particular around what was the, I'm going back to the decision. Like, I don't think it was gentler or more celebratory back then. Personally, I would also note with LeBron, uh, I don't think this is Skip Bayless, just Skip Bayless, Dan.
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It bothers him that everyone thinks he lies, right? That's an internet meme.
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That is people roasting him online. That to me suggests like LeBron isn't just turning on the TV, although Skip's not on TV anymore, and saying, wow, they're being mean to me. I really believe the way he is being discussed on the internet is a big part of what's affecting him here.
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But I think this entire attempt to sort of isolate the variable is why this is an eternal unending argument, because Michael Jordan, by the way, pre-internet. Right. So it's sort of like, OK, are we disentangling the Internet from what it is to be in the media world? which is really impossible to do at this point.
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And so I do want to focus in on something that Rich said at the end, which is that JJ Redick, of course, now LeBron's coach, my guy, JJ Redick and LeBron's show, how this was a way forward. And if the argument is simply we have oversaturated media, television and Internet with controversy and that sort of more salacious debate stuff,
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So my theory is it's one of the very few spaces right now in public life where the customer doesn't have recourse, where if you're mad, you can't log on and leave an angry review. You can't find someone's social media and spit vitriol at them. It's literally... Only IRL, right? There's so few places like this now in our lives where there's no way for someone to express their anger virtually.
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And there's room for great things that are underappreciated, like the appreciation of basketball as a skill, as as sort of a nerd, an art that nerds can appreciate and dissect, then absolutely. Like, yeah, that is one way forward.
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The thing about the power that he is giving, though, to the media as a concept is also funny, not just because of the Internet and the way that, of course, that has made all of this sort of this this giant blob. It's because sports itself, if you talk to fans. is full of naturally occurring criticism.
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And most people forever will always be saying, that guy sucks, that guy is good, and we're not going to be able to move the needle on that, Mina.
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So just speaking not only from personal experience, but like today, Thursday, I started the morning. I started my Thursday mornings doing first take. And then at the end, I do NFL Live. On NFL Live, we do breakdowns. We discuss trends. We get deep into matchups. We do X's and O's stuff. And people seem to really like it. It does well. Some of the clips do well, whatnot.
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However, if you walk into the average sports bar in America, two guys, they're going to be arguing about whether Jalen Hurts or Matt Stafford is more likely to choke, you know, in Sunday Night Football. I personally don't think those sorts of debates, which do reflect what Pablo is talking about, are inherently toxic.
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I think there's a vast spectrum here with regards to like the kind of things that are being discussed. There are things that are toxic and absurd and sort of connects back to our discussion at the top. I just think like we were painting with too broad a brush sometimes when we talk about sports media as a whole, as a life.
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What you're saying is a fair point, right? Like, would you ever expect somebody who is doing PhD level work to hear the criticism of somebody who can barely understand it on an elementary level and not feel justified resentment?
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And I think this is where the unfortunate reminder, the unfortunate caveat to all of this must be made, which is that this is the consequence of the biggest tent in America. Like the whole point is that you actually want people with elementary level understandings of the sport that you have mastered to care and presume that they can do it because that is actually the business you have chosen.
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It is not the business of media. It is the business of the spectacle. And Mina, that's just part of it. And I just don't think we can ever solve that frustration. It's actually part of why you get paid so much money.
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Yeah, I agree with that. And I would also say I don't think Rich Kleiman is arguing in favor of more educated criticism, Dan. Like, I know that Rich and LeBron are two different. I don't want to.
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Sure. But also saying, you know, why can't it be more like the Olympics? The Olympics is human interest stories. People who work for athletes, by the way, you know, especially now that they control a lot of the media around them, particularly have replaced a lot of the actual journalism being done with their own self-produced documentary shows, whatnot. They want public relations, which is...
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you know like there is obviously space for um things that are made by people about themselves which is what corporations really is i don't think that critique is coming from a place of uh wanting like from a value perspective so much as it is from a business perspective if that makes sense
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The irony of Kevin Durant's agent being like, we need to be less online. It's like, dude, just call him up. Just call Kevin yourself.
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He's just laughing, Pablo. He just finds it funny. He's not actually mad about anything he reads.
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The last topic today is a response, I think, in some big picture way to the first two topics, because there is a community online. And this is a thriving community I didn't know about until I read this story. It is a group on Facebook that has over a million members. And there is another group, an offshoot of that group, that has over a million members.
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So if you're in a car and something happens and maybe a guy cuts you off or somebody doesn't go at a green light, I suspect there's like increased anger because of the sense of impotence you feel relative to other situations.
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I want to get the name exactly right, because it is worth enshrining in this way. It is the Dull Men's Club. On Facebook. And so this is a bunch of people who have been, I think, chewed up and spit out. It felt like on on social media because there is a competitive arena where everybody's trying to be interesting.
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Everybody's trying to post, as the article posits, the same photograph from Greece of, you know, the octopus dangling in the air. And you're all trying to be, you know. performatively fascinating. And the Dull Men's Club is like, hey, here's some photos of the lentils that I was making. Here is my most boring hobby. Here is the lawn I mowed.
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And so I bring this to you guys because I think I am about to join the Dull Men's Club. I think I have qualifications. I'm curious what the dullest that you guys do. Might be. Dan, do you want to start?
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I'm not sure what is dull anymore to people. And a lot of this is because of the internet, frankly, because similar to this dull men's club, you can find a community of people who think anything is fascinating. Like, for example, my probably best
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most prevalent hobby is playing word games in crosswords and I'll talk about it that much but if I do ever post like a crossword score I think that would seem to be dull but because there's an audience for everything these days it's not dull to everyone I have found when I talk about such things so I think I have actually lost sense of what qualifies as interesting.
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That is a very political answer. The real answer that all of us have to give if we're being injected with truth serum is that we all think we're interesting. That's why we ask you to watch the shit we're doing right now. Let's be honest. If we're boring, you're not watching that unless you're into performative boringness.
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What Mina is saying, which is a through line, I think that'll follow us through today's episode, is that she would like every driver in America to post their username on their window so she can get in their mentions and dunk on them.
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And the thing about this dull men's club is that it seems to be, and this is a word that was missing from the article, but seems to be, I think, a real key aspect to this is that it's authentically Dull. And Mina actually articulated it before in, I think, a specific way where she's not constantly posting about the things she does.
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I know every day, multiple times a day to the point where I'm on a group chat with her and I'm like not engaging with her like screenshots of like... There was a point where Wordle was a thing and she was like on... Just like the ninth version of I'm just like, I don't care about any of this.
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It's me and Mike Shore and Alan. So we're in this group chat where the three of us love word games and puzzles and Pablo does not. And during the height of the pandemic, we were all doing like 20 puzzles a day. We were doing Octordal was a big one. There was one above Octordal. We were playing this game where you guess a country purely based on its shape.
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And sharing our results with each other all day long. And Pablo apparently was bored out of his mind by our dullness.
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It was both. I think it's not an either or. This is a yes and. It was both.
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It is good. It's just the oldest show that's ever—
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I don't have road rage. I'm trying to explain what I think is happening. It's just a theory. I don't know. What do you think, Dan?
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My husband's all about stretching. It's so boring to me.
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Wait, are you still playing Royal Crush and how far have you advanced?
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He just crushes royally.
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Pac-Man machine in your house? He has a tabletop arcade Ms. Pac-Man machine.
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That's kind of cool. They have arcade in your house. Even your dull story, like buried an interesting and like cool.
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That's that's still it's still pretty interesting. I submit that my thing that I do all the time every day that I pretty much never post about, but sometimes occasionally will allude to. Is take care of my plants.
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Oh, God. Nobody wants to hear about your show. No, yes, they do. No one wants to hear about this.
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Yeah, look at this. This is the show that I host privately. It's called Repotting with Pablo. Debut during the pandemic, although I owned many plants before the pandemic, just for the record here. I have over 35 plants. I counted this morning. These are all today, the various kinds. Look, I can raise a fiddle leaf plant.
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You know, I can I can absolutely make sure a pothos can stretch its vines over all sorts of shelves in my apartment. I can go on and on about this stuff.
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That's a money tree over there that's sort of like craning its neck towards the sunlight. I've got so many money trees in my house.
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It's the best. I need to ask my husband to come up with something for me because all of the dull interests you guys have brought up are things that my husband talks about that I find extraordinarily dull. Stretching.
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plants watches i'm not trying to roast him but when he and like when i hear two men talking about watches i don't know if that fits into this category because no but it's dull to me the thing about watches is that i don't i've never worn a watch um but i will find myself because i am a man like watching watch content and contemplate do i should i have a watch
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Sometimes I'll look at a video he's watching where people are talking about watches, and it honestly is the most boring content I can imagine that exists. I cannot fathom it.
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We're going to have to search for photographic evidence of this. Why? Let me text some people here and see. Why did you want this to be your aesthetic?
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Oh, this is classic. Better in my mind. He looks like a union-busting oil tycoon.
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He looks like the penguin from Batman. Like, what is this?
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Pablo and I have left out the most actual boring shit, which is just talking about anything related to our children. Well, this is what I was actually going to ask you guys.
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The dullest thing I do right now is apply to kindergarten. You guys want all the takes that I've never aired, but I got. Call me up sometime. I have so many opinions.
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I was in New York. Was it like a month ago or something, Pablo? And we got together, Yumi and Katie Nolan. And shocker, Katie was late. And as Pablo and I were sitting in the bar, Dan, we like speed ran kid s**t. for like 15 minutes because we knew we didn't want to bore her with it. Like, I know all about Pablo applying to kindergarten. I know the kindergartens you apply to.
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My thing with you is that so much of our interactions on this show and yours are just us making fun of you. So the idea of there actually being a straw that breaks the hippos back, I'm like, what was it? And it turns out you don't even know.
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I know your thought process. I know about even pop dance looks bored right now. I know it's so boring. Nobody wants to hear this if you don't have kids.
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Would you like to hear about Nino's transition from two naps to one and how it's potentially affecting his sleep schedule at night and how perhaps we need to stretch his wake window a little bit longer because he's been waking up at 4 a.m. and then we don't want him to stop. We're not trying to avoid co-sleeping at all costs.
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So we're not going upstairs.
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At the end of every show, Mina, we say what we found out about on a show that is about finding stuff out. Dan has left, which is understandable because we've been talking about parenting for longer than I ever, ever intend to on a show that wants viewers. So what did you what did you what did you find out about today?
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I found out that. Dan apparently dressed like Boss Hogg as a young reporter. I'd like to see photos of this. Yeah. Ironic for somebody who is all about player empowerment that he dressed like someone who wanted to break up the players' union. I'd like to dig more into that. How about you? What did you learn?
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No, I found out that everything that Dan is now is the product of a hard pendulum swing directly away from what he initially tried to be. And also that guy who Dan intimidated on the road that Valerie saved him from going to jail over is somebody I'd like to talk to. So, you know, reach me.
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Find out. Find that out.
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I'd like to get his side of the story.
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Yeah, I have a feeling that you may have been in the right. Just a hunch. Just a hunch.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Arc Media production. And we are produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post, our theme song, as always, by John Bravo.
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And we will talk to you next time.
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Hippos are like the most aggressive animals quietly amongst, nobody talks about this because they're like, oh, hungry, hungry hippos. They're so cute. They're so fun. They look so funny. Those, you do not want to encounter a wild hippo.
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They are hungry, hungry for blood.
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Mita, do you want to begin the actual show with the topic that you brought us that you wanted to share and tell about?
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Yeah. My topic is the rise of blue sky. There's an article in the New York Times about it. There's been articles all over the place about this app, Blue Sky, which was created, I think, a few years ago, right, as an alternative to Twitter around the time that Elon Musk took over Twitter. but didn't really catch fire until this past week around the election.
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I mean, the daily activity was very low, way behind Threads, which is the other, the meta-owned alternative. And it has actually spiked and exceeded it, which is incredible given how far ahead Threads was in terms of the daily users. It's up to 20 million users, over 20 million now. So exponential growth for an app that is currently run by like 20 people. Yeah.
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For those who aren't on it and who are on Twitter, it is basically the same in terms of the interface. It looks the same. It feels the same. The biggest difference really is the way it actually allows you to moderate content. provides much more aggressive blocking features, provides tools you can use to just not see certain corners of the internet.
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It allows the reports of harassment actually work on Blue Sky. And that seems to be a big part of the appeal. I know it's a big part of the appeal for me personally, especially over the last week, I think, as what, you know, the harassment aspect on Twitter has been escalating for a while now. But last week did feel like a turning point. So There's that. There's also a lot of skepticism.
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Nobody wants to be on a zillion apps. Everybody's on Twitter, so people don't actually want to leave. People in media might not want to leave for career reasons.
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I'm curious about all of your guys' thoughts about this and just about kind of whether or not you even, I know Dan and Pablo have different feelings about this, whether you even feel like you want a place to engage and post and do all these things.
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So Dan, for me, I tend to just see what Mina's doing and I'm like, I guess it's time to join Blue Sky. When she joined, I was like, I guess the person who thinks most rigorously about social media has done this. I should probably just follow her. And so I did. And it is hard to shake the feeling that you're now watching a spring football league. He was like, I guess I'm on the XFL of Twitter now.
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I'm on there, and I've been also curious, like, what am I on? And so just a couple of the background facts here, because I don't know if you know this. I didn't know this until I started Googling this. Mina referred to this sort of, like, odd ownership group. Blue Sky originally was started by Jack Dorsey, who was the guy behind Twitter at first.
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He wanted to be decentralized, and then, of course... He is no longer part of this team. He left in May 2024. And now it is a U.S. public benefit corporation. And it's it's the thing that like Patagonia is and Allbirds and Warby Parker, these corporations that apparently have some sort of legal protection under the guise of I guess it's now colloquially known as conscious capitalism.
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They have protection from being sued or, I guess, held to account by their own shareholders for not maximizing shareholder value.
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Yeah, which is really interesting, right? Because as we look at this platform and ask, what is the potential? If I'm joining, will it change? Is it worth investing my time? The corporate structure, which probably you explained perfectly there, gives you a roadmap, which is to say,
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It makes it so that this company, this app, this social media platform is far less likely to go down a road where they're making profit-driven decisions at the expense of usability. But one thing that caught my eye, unlike every other social media platform right now, they have already come out and said, we will not allow our data, anything you post here, to be used for generative AI. Right.
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That's very unique and unusual and would not be happening, I believe, without the corporate mandate that you just described.
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I don't ever know what you may or may not ever try when it comes to new internet technology.
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Dan has stories of great road rage that he has felt himself personally that have maybe humiliated him in front of loved ones.
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A lot of the critique of the exodus has been, this is Libs going to seek a safe space. And none other than noted reasonable man, Dean Phillips, You may recall from his attempt to be president was saying, like, we need to have conversations with the other side. The entire lesson of the election was we don't talk to each other enough. And this is the embodiment of the problem.
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And meanwhile, my number one takeaway from blue sky is it is so refreshing to not have your algorithm dictated by Elon Musk. If nothing else, I just want to lead with that. It's just free from his personal thumb on the scale. Before we get into the political nature of it, that is just so glaring as well.
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I think that actually what you're describing is why the echo chamber critique rings false to me. So the reason why for me personally, I still use Twitter to post my content and try to direct people. Frankly, it doesn't do a very good job of that anymore. And This is another thing that the new platform seems to be doing well is actually encouraging people to click on stuff.
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But anyways, for the most part, I don't read the things people say to me on there because if I did, it's just, you know, I have recognized that being called DEI 30 times a day is not great for my mental health. Call me weak, soft, I don't care. So the reason, Pablo, too, that that happens is not even looking at my mentions. If you open up something you have posted on X,
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The replies that are prioritized and elevated are either bots, engagement farmers, or in many cases, the most foul comments possible because that is what the website now prioritizes. You can pay for the opportunity to be the worst person in the world and rock up to somebody with a giant megaphone. So I bring that up because what I'm...
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and I think a lot of people don't like, is not a difference of ideas. It is someone literally saying toxic, foul things to me. And I think, Dan, what sometimes bothers me when we have these conversations about safe spaces and can both sides talk and whatnot is we are conflating egregious racism and misogyny with diversity of thought, right? Or with reasonable opinions or disagreement, right?
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You know, I do want to also just add on to that by saying part of what I use Twitter for is to get news. Right. And so I was following and still continue to follow a lot of conservatives because I'm actually curious what they have to say. Genuinely, just like I am curious from a from an earnest like, OK, what is the other side on some things I feel strongly about saying?
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Also, like, what's the conversation over there? It's the same reason I have group chats with my friends from high school where it's like, hey, these are how Republicans feel right now. I am actually going to click on that content. What I am most objecting to, though, is I think the structural incentive system that Twitter has become because now it is content farming. It's beyond the ideology.
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Yes, he is. He's very good. I was going to sneeze and I made the sneeze a cough thinking that's better for a show. And I don't know which is better actually. No one ever taught me that.
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Have you ever tried to move a sneeze to a cough? I don't want to get you off course, but I made a decision and I didn't know what to do. So you caught me mid and of course you brought it onto the show.
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That's the difference between you and I. It just occurs to me. One of the differences.
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The regular season so far, though, built on that increase. So he blew by something that I just wanted to stop on and examine where the women's tournament as part of a package, that's a really critical point. So when you're meeting someone in the park in a trench coat and the assets you're discussing are the men's tournament, you're talking only about the men's tournament.
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And there are multiple bidders, billion dollar bids. When you're talking about the women's tournament, the people in the trench coat need to give you a little more. They need to open the kimono. So what ESPN did, because they're looking for program in order to justify distributor fees, they need stuff.
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So what they do is in addition to getting the women's tournament, they throw in a bunch of stuff that the NCAA on its own would value at zero. I mean, I'm being cruel, but it's very little. And ESPN is willing to do it because they want the women's tournament. They don't get the men's in return.
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The NCAA gets to go to its members and say, hey, I got water polo a TV deal, or fencing, or soccer, or whatever such sport gets lopped in there.
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Does that, I mean, I think that we should just understand that we can talk about equality and there's a whole big thing about equality of pay as it relates to WNBA and NBA or WNBA and Unrivaled or college programs on the women's side and the men's side. The market spoke and it's just not close.
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And so when you're out there getting a package, yes, the College World Series in your mind is valuable because you get the programming of it. You get sort of the feel good in Omaha. I understand that. It's amazing.
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But obviously the NCAA, when they're evaluating it, they put it in the pot and you overpay for the pot because you've got all of the abilities to distribute and the need to distribute it all. That's how a deal gets made. It's a perfect partnership, ESPN, for all of that pot and NCAA.
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Think about what he just said. He would just as soon put up, pay for zero, put up these squiggly lines.
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Does that sound familiar to you? Does it sound like the NBA and WNBA by any chance? Where you lock them up, you get them at the same time, and then you go to ESPN or Turner or CBS, and all of a sudden it's one buyer? Just throwing it out there. You can then assign any value you want to the women's tournament.
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No, no, I didn't say it was admin fees. I was about to want to have this great discussion with you because what you're saying is what will replace the NCAA. You need a governing body. Unless the SEC says, hey, we got 14 in. We're going to try to go to the network. We'll do our own postseason tournament.
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The conference tournament on steroids will combine with a few other conferences, make a super conference, not go to 98 teams. We'll go down to 32 teams, and we'll just make it the best of the best.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
What's so great about John is he... That is literally what I... He asks you a question, but then he answers it for you.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Why would I try to say that? Now you're answering questions and you're actually saying affirmative statements. Frankly, Pablo, I think you and I can have the rest of the day off. I think we just give John the show, let him ask the questions, answer the questions, and then say exactly what we're going to think.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Because if you were doing that, I would say what I was going to say to you is that you deny all the time that you had nothing to do. Hey, the Marlins, they're in. That's great. No problem. We love them. We're so happy to have them. It's horse hockey. You would prefer to have just North Carolina. You'd prefer to have North Carolina and Duke do everything.
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You know how much money there is in the two words upset alert? Upset alert is a foundational concept of the March Madness tournament.
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It's the same reason why the Yankees and Red Sox don't split off and form their own league. Because they've threatened that before, and the reason they never do it is they recognize that actually no one wants to see a season or a world or a league where it's just the elite teams from two or three cities. That's called the World Cup.
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So he's talking about he wants those playoff-type games with those same— it's why you see Red Sox-Yankees Sunday night baseball every Sunday. That is what the dream is of someone in his position—
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
But that is the dream of someone who doesn't have ownership of a league or of a team because it doesn't actually increase the value of your program if you're shrinking down all of the possible opponents and putting yourself in an ivory tower like that. It's why they've never done it.
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They do, but the current offer, you're saying a billion dollars is where they are in their current TV deal for the 68-member tournament in a deal that you have acknowledged that you would take over today if given the opportunity and still running the SPN. Today, you would want to do the tournament exactly as is. As much as you complain about it, you would take the 68 teams right now.
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It's never even been a consideration to expand the tournament to that number. Oh, no, it has been. Because... It has been. So... Wait, wait, wait. I want to hear about this, though, because why would they not have taken the money?
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I know. So what do you mean it'll happen one day? It will happen one day. You were already in the market offering more money for 96 and it was turned down and we're here all these years later, two extensions later, and it's never been put to 96.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
He's saying something even more. I'm going to speak for him. He's actually saying that his view is that in 2032, it's not going to be the NCAA who's going to be negotiating a new deal on behalf of men's college basketball. It's going to be an entity controlled by what he hopes is going to be four power conferences.
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paid so that you don't have this ridiculous you know nine players out of a 12-person squad go into the portal and you're a fan and you now no longer even know who your team is he confuses me i assumed that if i had to know john skipper that he would be a huge fan of the portal of a person's inalienable right to maximize their profit-making ability as a worker
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
In the fields with their backs burning in the sunlight.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
He tries to tell me that, and I don't know what he means. I don't understand. It just makes him feel better, I guess.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
I would like to talk about international baseball because there is money to be made and baseball was cashing checks this week and there was a lot of domestic criticism and it's so misguided by people in the media or just haters who don't understand how you could play baseball at 6 a.m. New York time each morning, Tuesday and Wednesday.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
But the fact is these games were not for the U.S., as shocking as that sounds. These games were for Japan and for the Japanese people. And they were 7, 10 p.m. games in Japan. And MLB printed money. The Dodgers won two games against the Cubs. Is that what you're about to ask? No, I was going to say, why is anybody upset about that? What's the problem? Oh, people have gone crazy over it.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Now you've watered down opening day by starting the season 10 days early.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Regular season games where MLB made as much money in these two regular season games as any other regular season games you can make. So, of course, they're going to go to Japan because Japan keeps paying. I don't understand the objection. I have no objection. People object to 6 a.m. start times, 3 a.m. in L.A. if you're going to watch the game.
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Aren't there 162 games? Are there people who are... Opening day is a holiday, though. Opening day, you don't go to school. You watch games all day. There's afternoon games. And so it waters it down. It used to be the first game of every year. Quick trivia. Do you know where the first game was every single year in baseball? You should actually know this, Mr. Programmer, who loves baseball so much.
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And you would never show them on ESPN. So it's not the Yankees or the Red Sox. And it created a whole big thing within the room because the Cincinnati Reds started every season. And you and Coco will check me. The Great American Ballpark. It was not the Great American Ballpark when this tradition started, but it is now. Just an audacious name to name anything.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
And so it would be the first, no, that's named after a company. It's not named that because it's the greatest American. Hold on. I'm sorry. Wait a minute. Am I wrong on that? I believe that.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Just to be right. Cincinnati, you would never put them on the air. And that was the first game that was supposed to be. That was a thing. But ESPN, back in your day, back in my day, had zero interest in having the Cincinnati Reds start off a baseball season.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
And so that's when we went to the defending champions the night before the start of opening day as a way to get a little extra money from you. And that's when we went to actually opening nights and opening days on the same day.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Because she got hurt playing in an off-season non-WNBA sanctioned tournament.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Most leagues don't even make it past a year. Some leagues don't get through a full year, and you've done that, and I can't wait for you to announce year two.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
They had a big problem this week. Spoiler alert. No, it's in the news. He got into some trouble. The actor who plays him got into a real-life story where he almost got canceled when he was talking about the size of his penis and he didn't want to answer any questions about it. And whether it was real or not, that's why I asked whether you were a body double, but you didn't get the jokes.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Oh, you're right. You didn't respond. Whatever. Thanks for keeping the show going. Well, just to talk about how the sausage gets made, I guess. It was a fake penis. They're all that. And so that was the conversation that was had, which was, is that, you know, Margaret Qualley, when she does prosthetics for substance, does that get criticized more?
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
When Mikey Madison does not, does that get criticized less? Are they forced to do it? He was defending his right to a prosthetic penis. He was trying not to talk about it. And he made a quip where he mentioned the names of the actresses, Margot Qualley and Mikey Madison. He got in trouble and then had to release a statement while Mike White was quivering. with fear of this could impact his baby.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
So there was an immediate statement, a completely crafted statement by Chris's PR. I love a statement. And he backtracked it, and then he threw one out there for all the women out there saying, you have it way harder than I do.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Right. Margaret, by the way, you make her French.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
It's sort of a Wisconsin accent with a hint of New York.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
If you're talking in total numbers, there's just way more games than the NFL playoffs, but I would assume NFL playoffs would be the greatest. I would assume the World Cup is even greater than that. The soccer World Cup, I would put number one. By a factor of two and a half. Okay, so now we're playing for second. But continue, please. Or third.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Well, what they realized is they could get more money by showing more games. And they had no way to do it, which is CBS, so they had to go with the cable partner, which is why there's games on TruTV. And the question is, for John, is ESPN, you would have gone Deuce and then 3 and then 4?
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So what WBD did is they had different channels that they stood up by putting games on that actually helps them get more fees from distributors because true TV, you got to have it. Every March at least you're going to see games. And ESPN didn't have that issue because you would just have it all on ESPN networks.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
He repackaged his candy into a popcorn bag. Well, I don't like sticking my fingers in the candy bag and then in my mouth and then back in my own candy bag. So I take out of with clean hands candy, put it in a separate container and There were no paper cups here. All that was available was a paper popcorn bag.
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Well, that's clearly what they're trying to do. What amused me about his last monologue was that his view of the reason, the only reason he was turned down, it's like being...
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
the best looking guy in your class and the best looking girl turns you down you're like oh obviously she's interested in tall or short or fat or skinny it can't be me it's not me it's you so john's position was very simple hey i was so good at my job and so big this network that they didn't want to give me more well he said it by the way if you if you
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Was the guy in the park in a trench coat?
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Which you said to him, by the way, what a great negotiator you are. You said to him, this isn't my last or best. Please come to me. Come to me with some made-up offer from someone else, and I'll beat that, too. Well, no, that wouldn't have happened. You just said, come to me with whatever offer.
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
Was ESPN ever asked to join CBS? So my first thought is, if you can't beat them, join them. So CBS was clearly looking for a partner that had the ability to distribute. It would have made sense to me, though, in the world of playing nice in the sandbox, ESPN would never do that. But having ESPN partner with CBS, why would that be out of the question?
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The Sporting Class: We're Gonna Need a Bigger Bracket
They're now doing it going forward almost every other year. Yeah. TBS is going to have eight Final Fours, I think, in finals in the next, whatever, 20 years, 10 years.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yeah.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
It's a thing you type into your notes app. What happens to your notes app when you die?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
So, quick recap of... Of your tolerance break, what's the, how was it? How many stars would you give it?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Some of the best stuff that I've ever done is in my notes app.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I'm not always high, though. But it's the breaker of writer's block for me. Okay. Every weed? Yeah. It's like a shower or a walk around the block, or it's like looking at something from a different angle.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
And that same guy is also potentially like a really bad generator of ideas that only the other guy can really validate.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Cookies as a brand, and again, this is why the journalistic integrity is so important, Katie. You're like, why... Why are you yelling at me? I went to J school. I can't give an honest appraisal of a company if I...
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Fair enough. This though, no relationship to cookies.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I've never met him.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Pac-Man?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
No. All I know of him actually is like TMZ stories about him like fighting people. At the airport? At the airport with like plastic bags.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
George Foreman walked into a boardroom like Don Draper and showed him a protractor. Yeah.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
So that objectively.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Right?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
That is a unique behavior. I think you should catch on. I'm blowing kisses to everybody.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Is that the defense of it?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
No, is that a practice?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I want to know about what it was like to end the break because we're taping this at a time when you have reintegrated into polite weed society.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Aggressively. From the audience after they praised you. He goes, hey, your car's... You go...
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
The apple falling on someone's head is George Foreman accidentally inventing a sloped grill.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yeah. my roommate in my first apartment after leaving home in Chinatown. It was a mouse-infested apartment in one of the oldest townhouses, like a row house in Chinatown on Bowery and Pell. And my roommate Juan, who I love, had a George Foreman grill that he would use virtually every night. And the mice could not have loved it more.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Because the smell of some sloped grease sizzling perpetually in an old-ass building.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
They were doing newsies, newsies, like barrel rolls.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
You two should play Rocket League. The argument for getting to the second strain is that I am now deeply self-conscious about whether I am hosting this in any way. Did you just make the driving noise as if I've never seen anything driven?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
They're about to start playing.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Now I realize that. You were on the right side. But now I'm not.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
That was good. Did you do that? I did do that.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I think I know Kung Fu.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
This is pretty good. Once I realized I was on the left, everything made more sense.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
So, I love this game. It rules. Yeah, this game is... Now that I have a sense of like... What's going to hurt is when you get better at this than me.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
How dare you speak upon Goldeneye in such a fashion?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yeah, so far. I mean.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
That was so fun.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
You did something incredible. Thanks. Look at that. Can we narrow it?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Go watch Tomorrow Never Dies.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
That was bad ninja. You bad ninja'd them.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
They're fun.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Xenia on a top? Or is that...
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Timofey Mozgov.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yes, you got a team that, in New York, we actually... Oh, yeah? We're kind of sad about losing as much as people loved.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yeah.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
No, we're good. Your Lego television Mario set.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
It's hard to know what, I think I'm susceptible to suggestion right now.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Dan is leading with authority.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
And I have enjoyed all of the strains we've had so far. The mellow is definitely the most indica-y. Yeah. And Katie just burped.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Undoubtedly still on microphone.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
So here's how I would compare and contrast what this is. So this feels like we're not playing Rocket League. This feels like we are. It is nice. It's nice.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I believe that mellow is... It's probably what should have been the last insofar as it's going to put you to sleep.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
This is such a comfortable couch.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I got to get Kennesaw State to a bowl game tonight. Dude, I love it. That's wild. I love it.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
The phenomena that— It is a genuine phenomenon.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Are you like doing back shoulder passes?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
We heard you like joints, so we put some joints in your joints.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Sorry. Lorne. Lorne.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I've sought it out because it was something of a legendary thing. And plus, now there's a Larry Bird stream, but it's like 33. There are lots of references now.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
That feels high. The marketing should require the accurate percentage.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I don't know, I'm talking like an idiot. No, no, no.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yes, most palpably different was Mello sitting in the couch.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I love when dog owners have like a like foreign word that summons their dog. Oh, yeah.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
It was nuts. When was the last time you had felt like that before then?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cafeteria.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
So wait, I... Yeah, there wasn't anything specific.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Thanks for getting us high, dude.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
What I found out today is that athlete weed is not good because of the strain or because of the illustration of a Pac-Man Jones holding plastic bags full of weed. It's because of whatever dessert that was that I just ate.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
And wasn't on some level, wasn't that glorious though?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yeah, what's a stoned haircut?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I just started palming the ceiling.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Which means that we can do the thing that I wanted to do when I learned you were on this journey of self-discovery. Hence...
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
I promise this magical satchel next to your chair. Because we've traveled America, literally, on a quest of finding out which athletes have sponsored weed that should be evaluated and reported upon.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
We'll take a bust photo. That's right. So we begin. Yeah.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
The glove. The glove. Gary Payton.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
We haven't done this ever before.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
So I guess what we'll do on this episode is we will sort of introduce these things one by one. Sure. And we'll sample them in ways that are definitely legal. Right.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
This, so this is a cannabis pre-roll on the label. Magic Johnstoned. Magic Johnstoned. Love the parody.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. I don't know if Carmelo Anthony has co-signed this. Melo. It better be an indica. Melo. Is it an indica? It is a hybrid. Huh.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Yes, correct. And he has a whole graphic on the top, an illustration where he's holding a... Bags of weed.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
This is wildly invasive. I've never put my feet up on someone's... Is this okay?
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
So I think we should start with Pac-Man. This is great.
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We Smoked All the Athlete-Branded Weed We Could Find, with Dan Soder and Katie Nolan
Oh, we have a list of things that we tried to get.
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This is one of those rules, like how Dan thinks that vase and vase are two different things. No, this isn't.
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Katie, Dan, Myrtle, thanks for having us.
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Debunked theory.
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We're starting with Pac-Man. But I do want to give a special shout-out to some strains that I wanted to... Let's hear them. ...to get for you, but could not.
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Yeah, Michael Phelps OG.
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Is Myrtle okay with what we're about to do here?
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I would like to see Michael Phelps hit a gravity bong. Yeah. I bet he could clear it. Hayden Manning.
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So according to the summary, it popped up around 2013 when he was with the Denver Broncos. Yeah. It was reportedly a cross between Chemdog91 and San Fernando Valley OG. Okay. But it's just super rare. Anything to you?
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It's super rare to get that?
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I bet Peyton Manning litigated it.
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It's a great name.
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Journalistic integrity. So Ricky Williams is a friend of Metal Arc Media.
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And so we said we cannot, much like a chef who's friends with Pete Wells at the New York Times, you got to draw boundaries. It would be unfair for me to appraise his product.
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Katie and I had never met him.
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Yeah. This is called journalism. Yeah.
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So the one that I have been hunting for that I could not find, but I did do reporting around... is Linsanity OG. I mean, that is. So Linsanity OG, which popped up in 2012 in California during Linsanity. I first saw it because Rick Ross had posted a photo of it on Instagram. And I've been tracking it ever since. I know this for a fact. Jeremy, Jeremy Lin, I reached out to him.
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He had litigated this. He had wanted this to not be called No Sanity OG for copyright reasons. And so I ended up emailing a rapper, Stally, former college basketball player himself. He was tagged in the Rick Ross Instagram. And so I asked him for a review of it. He said, it's an OG, so it's strong, but it tastes clean and sweet. Gives you a heavier high, so it'll have you stuck for a minute.
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But once it sits with you for a while, it brings out the creative juices that allow you to work diligently.
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Good write-up. Really good write-up. And he did not make a joke about how it only lasts for like two weeks and then it gets real bad. Nice. Which I appreciate it. Nice. So I think we should start with Pac-Man. Start with Pac-Man. So what are the rules here?
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That brings us to what we're doing here. We were supposed to do this a while back, and then Dan went on a journey of self-discovery.
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We're doing a weed quadrathlon.
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I really enjoyed that.
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Yeah. That's not what you want to hear.
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What are the stages that you're afraid of? We come back from the third one and we go, okay, so we're on cry patrol. Where's cry patrol in the terror alert scale of Katie Nolan? I don't really cry.
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Let's do this.
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Here's a question that I think... Pac-Man Jones will inspire. Yeah. When does like the Notes app come out?
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Und Dan weint für den menschlichen Kontext, um dieses Ding, das du mir gesagt hast, wichtig war, aber es ist jetzt weg in deinem Leben. Was ist denn mit dem? Sollten wir die Leute nicht verantwortlich halten, die Posts, die sie machen, in Bezug auf Kontinuitätserrungen, ist das, was dieses Vorgehen auch suggeriert.
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Got it. You want us all to be grief eaters. Plumbing the depths of each other.
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If a person that you love has disappeared, tell me why.
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I feel the opposite, man. Listen, if people want to share details of their lives, as we often do on this podcast, more power to them. But when they don't, I am intrigued. I'm like, ooh, who's this genius? What do they know that I don't, that they're living offline? Can I give you guys some of my off-script ones?
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Yeah, go off the big board.
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I just wrote three that I thought, okay. ranging in, I guess, depth. One, do not criticize the way other people parent on the Internet. Do not share your opinions on just parenting generally on the Internet.
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Do you realize, Mina, that your take is itself a critique of someone else's parenting? You're telling people to stop parenting by asking and critiquing parenting.
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Oh, they're not parenting when they're doing that. They're lashing out. Like the other day I posted something. This is back when my kid was like nine months. I was like, wow, sleep training. Crazy. I don't know. And it broke.
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Great take. I wrote something better than that. I don't remember what I wrote. But all I remember is some guy wrote, really glad that it worked for you and that your child wasn't up all night screaming in terror and hating you forever and traumatized by the process. I was like, oh my god, I'm sorry. Okay, this one's a little bit less general. It's an Instagram thing.
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That butter sculpture was $3,000, just for the record. Komm schon! Und ich kommuniziere auch mit dir und Valerie, weil Valerie Violett jedes Jahr ein Geschenk schickt. Das ist das andere Ding.
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So, Dan, you probably don't know about this kind of format that people sometimes post.
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But you're going to understand what I'm about to say. There's a thing that people do on the Internet where they'll say, like, Instagram versus reality. And it's two photos. And they're always hot in both of them. Yeah, yeah.
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Instagram. Versus Realität. Es ist wie... Das ist, was Instagram versus Realität sein sollte. Instagram.
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Das führt mich zu meinem... Wenn ich einfach aus diesem Vorschlag zurückgehen kann, was ist, dass Menschen mehr dreckige Bilder von sich selbst posten sollten. Yes, let's do that. We have wrecked the curve on what normalcy looks like because everybody is like micro-editing and obviously in the age of filters, it's impossible to know. I assume everybody is using a filter all the time.
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Mina liebt es, über unsere Bewegung zu reden, die Dan und ich uns klar verabschiedet haben. In der Zwischenzeit wird Mina ein Bild von allem, was sie macht, auswählen. Sie sieht groß aus. Und ich sehe aus, als hätte ich etwas erworben.
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Pablo, hast du jemals auf Sport-TV gedreht und dachtest, dass es verschiedene Standards für verschiedene Menschen gibt? Hast du die Dinge gesehen, die wir tragen und wie wir aussehen?
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Nein, ich bin nicht mit diesem Problem verbunden.
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How many times a day do you get called mid? Just out of curiosity. Dan, do you know what mid means? Yes. Look at my mentions and you'll find out.
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I thought we were going to get to talk about this Aaron Rodgers documentary today, but neither of you guys have seen it. Mina does not want to talk about it. Dan wants to, but has not seen the thing. I saw all three episodes, and so I was like, we're not going to get to that today.
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You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network.
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And then a story dropped, Dan, that I know you wanted to talk about, that brings us back into the realm of Aaron Rodgers, but more broadly, the New York Jets.
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Ambassador Johnson, when he got back from his appointment. To the UK, yeah.
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Nein, ich stimme nicht dazu. Ich denke, wenn Aaron Rodgers wirklich gut wäre, würde mir das wirklich nicht zählen. Es gibt viele Dinge, die an den Grenzen liegen, viele blöde Dinge. Ich denke, das, was am schlimmsten ist, und ich glaube nicht, dass ich so viel darüber erzählen kann, ist, dass sein Sohn in den Lockerraum kommt und die Spieler verurteilt.
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Das würde mir... Wir sollten dazu zurückkehren. Ja. Aber ob oder nicht jeder Spieler das übernehmen kann... Ich denke ehrlich gesagt, wenn dieses Team gut und gut gecoacht wäre, wäre es kein Problem.
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The Sons thing is so good. Like the details about them. So basically what happens is, Woody Johnson goes, Trump appoints him ambassador to the United Kingdom, 2017. His sons were 11 and 9 at the time. Respectively, their names are Brick... Brick Johnson. Brick Johnson. Brick Johnson.
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ist der Schattenhändler der New York Jets, oder vielleicht nur der echte Händler an diesem Punkt, wo es ein Spiel gibt, in dem sie gewinnen. Und sie geben den Spielball. Aaron Rodgers gibt den Spielball jemandem anderen. Brick. Ja, Brick, bevor das sogar passieren kann, interveniert und gibt, was er als profanitätsgeleiteten, wie ein feierlicher Toast zu, glaube ich, Garrett Wilson.
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Und es ist so, als ob dieser Kerl tatsächlich mit dem, wie unser Team funktioniert, interferiert. Wie, sie gehen in den Weg von allem. Und das Madden-Rating-Ding.
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Whatever, Woody Johnson is consulting his sons and they are citing like Madden ratings on why they shouldn't get a future thousand yard receiver this season, Jerry Judy, is both comical and also kind of how super wealthy people also operate in the world. Lots of sons are a focus group for their dads who have lots of power.
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Geh weg von hier. Das ist ein tolles Geschenk. Ich spiele hier ein bisschen von Violets Entschuldigung von Dan Lebitard in Bezug auf ihn, ihm seine Teete zu leihen.
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And this seems to be both a caricature and typical at a certain realm of wealth.
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I think that's, Dan, where I come down and like what I find so interesting about this story, which is, you know, it's full of hilarious and amazing anecdotes. I really encourage people to read it. But like, to me, it's less like, I don't read that and say, oh, this is why they failed. It's one reason why. But what I find most interesting is kind of what Pablo described, which is,
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This all just feels so emblematic of ultra wealthy people believing they have expertise and mismanaging an organization because of it.
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I am reminded of a quote Seth Wickersham once told me, which is that NFL teams are billion dollar lemonade stands.
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Oh, Mina, the Lakers have been called a family business, like unironically for the entirety of their organization, basically in L.A.
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There aren't checks and balances with these teams the way they are with, you know, public corporations, with investors and boards and executives and HR. I mean, they have HR, but ultimately, this is a great example of that small business mentality, right? permeate throughout the organization. Can we go back to the thing about them yelling at the players?
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Because Donald Sterling is the comparison that comes to mind, especially when you read about them being in the locker room. And obviously they're not being accused of the same stuff that Sterling did here. But the story, there's an anecdote about Woody Johnson just telling Mike White he sucks. These teenage kids coming in and roasting players. Like that...
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This is wildly inappropriate workplace behavior. I found that much more damning than any of the funny stuff. And I don't think the NFL would, I mean, I doubt anything will happen or whatnot. But like that to me is really outrageous stuff and maybe being a little bit underplayed here.
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The reason why it's so off-putting and the reason why it evokes this like insanely imbalanced power dynamic, even though of course these players are, Mike White notwithstanding perhaps, making money that the normal American, the average American could ever dream of, of course. It's because you just get in football this clear contrast between people who are in any way sacrificing something.
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Like personal risk, like it's a dangerous thing to do this. And the people who walk in and are basically acting like they're internet commenters, but also your boss. Like it's just incredibly off-putting. Not that the NFL is a sacred place, but simply that it feels gross that you would not have some level of respect as to what your employees are sacrificing for you.
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Die Kraftdynamik ist wirklich interessant, weil, und das ist etwas, wenn wir darüber nachdenken, I don't laugh. But when people say, wow, nobody's going to take the Jets' job or no one's going to take the Jags' job, yeah, they will. There's 32 of these jobs, right? A lot of people are going to want to take them. GMs, coaches, this article won't change.
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Maybe if you're a guy like Ben Johnson who has his pick of teams, the opposite coordinator for Detroit, you'd be deterred by this. But for the most part, they're not going to. And Pablo, it's the same thing with the players. There's such a power imbalance here because these jobs are... so rare and they've worked their whole lives for them and the owners know that, you know?
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Corporate America, I mean, where somebody can be quote-unquote running something and have zero qualifications, zero experience, never climb the ladder to get there. And some owners recognize that. I want to be... Hörte Geschichten von Unternehmern, die gesagt haben, cool, ich weiß nichts, Hands off, hier ist mein Geld.
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Das ist der Traum. Das ist, übrigens, jeder GM, den du mitgemacht hast, wird sagen, sie lieben nichts mehr als einen Unternehmer, der das tatsächlich tut.
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Es gibt Leute wie das.
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Sehr wenige, aber sehr wenige. Sie sind die Auszeichnung.
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Ja, und dann gibt es viel in der Mitte. Das scheint am extremsten Ende der Interferenz zu sein. Aber, wie gesagt, das kommt zurück zu der Audazität. Der unerhörte Sinn der Expertise und der Entschädigung, What gives you the right to believe you can even make these calls?
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You know what it reminds me of though? So there was a story recently about Succession. And again, Succession, it's sort of like Look, I'm a savvy person who knows about business on some level. I'm a journalist. I know that Succession is taking creative liberties. It's not actually as absurd.
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And there's a story that is seemingly soundly reported about how actually the Murdoch family was watching Succession and they said, oh, we should figure out our estate planning. weil sie eine Parodie von ihrer eigenen Familie gesehen haben, in der sie nicht den Hinweis genommen haben, dass wir das herausfinden sollten, bis sie die Parodie-Version gesehen haben.
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Geschichten wie diese, die sind manchmal einfach so auf der Nase, wo du sagst, ich kann nicht glauben, dass das, was es ist, um das Spiel zu gewinnen, das Spiel der Leben, ist, dass du tatsächlich tiefst klownisch bist, in einer Weise, dass, übrigens,
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Es ist überraschend, weil ich dachte, dass die Geschichte, über die wir sprechen werden, wie Aaron Rodgers und dieses Dokumentarfilm selbst schambolig war. Und stattdessen, Mina, wenn du die Gewinner dieser Geschichte ausdrückst, Rodgers ist da.
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Hier haben wir eigentlich einige Berichte im Vergleich zu den vorherigen News-Zyklen dieses Jahres, dass Rodgers nicht so mächtig war, wie wir dachten, auf irgendeinem Niveau. Und dann, natürlich, der echte Gewinner, Reading between the lines. The GM of the Jets, Joe Douglas, who just comes off being like, oh, well, okay, that guy maybe was, per this reporting, not actually the decision maker.
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Maybe conveniently.
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Well, he was though. I would just, again, to go back to what I said at the beginning, like all the major decisions that really have led the Jets to this point were not ones that, aside from firing Salah, not that the season was headed in a particularly glorious direction, were ones that the GM made.
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So, yeah, I think everyone involved in the Jets who's not the owner comes out better here because you're placing a lot of deserved blame at the owner's feet.
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Yeah, who wins?
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I do love the idea, though, that Aaron Rodgers was like, man, this Netflix doc is not the thing that I thought it was going to be. He's like, time to talk to three different reporters, one of whom I publicly... als jemand, der nie mit mir sprechen sollte.
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By the way, as somebody who watched the thing, can I just give you my one conclusion from the Aaron Rodgers three-part documentary, so that you don't have to watch it? Because beyond the fact that it's bad, and beyond the fact that even this culturally, politically ascendant figure is not really... ... engagiert wird, in Bezug darauf, warum er kontrovers ist.
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Es ist viel so wie Aaron Rodgers sagt einer Frau am Tahoe-Slobby-Golf-Tournament, danke, dass ich meine zivilen Freiheiten vertreten habe. Und es gibt Musik unten und es ist sehr inspirierend. Weiter davon, I have a profile of Aaron Rodgers that is very clear to me. Number one, he grew up in a religious household. Number two, he grew up with a father who was emotionally repressed.
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He says that his dad cried only once. Number three, he's a perfectionist, always teetering on self-loathing. Number four, he's always wanted to transcend sports. Number five, he's always rebelled against authority by asking uncomfortable questions. Number seven, he says stuff like, quote, the feeling you get when you can be raw and vulnerable with men is special.
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People just want to be seen and understood. And number seven, the last Musik Musik Musik Musik Mina, was ist deine Geschichte?
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Es gibt einige Artikel darüber. Der eine, den ich euch geliefert habe, war der Geist von Ozzy.
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Aber Ozzy ist der Weg für jetzt. Es ist so wie, warte mal, was ist das? Woher kommt das her? Es war etwas, das mich sehr breit vertreten hat. Für einen Zeitraum auf allen Art von Podcasts und Busen in New York City und Veranstaltungen und all that stuff.
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I do want to start today's episode, though, with a different story. A story that also puts Dan in the role of increasingly ancient person. Because the story is titled The New Commandments of the Modern Internet. This is on The Ringer, by the way. Jodie Walker is the author. There are some things in this, Mina, on this list that are resonant and also completely off.
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So this was a media company that was founded by a guy named Carlos Watson, who has a very interesting and compelling life story. This article, which is by a former employee, and there's a lot of layers to this that I think are really interesting, but... It gets into his backstory. The son of a Black American mother and a Jamaican immigrant father.
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He attended Harvard, Stanford Law, worked for McKinsey, Goldman, founded a college prep company, sold it. All of this is on the level. And then he starts a media company. And it's really founded on this idea of diverse voices telling diverse stories. And that's...
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What happened and the reason why this is in the news again is Carlos was just sentenced to 10 years in prison for basically defrauding investors. And there's been a lot of reporting on this about this company, but... It was basically a house of cards.
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It was a media company that had festivals and advertising and a show built around him that misled people about, misled investors crucially for the purpose of the... the crime, about how many people were actually watching any of this, engaging with it, how many actual readers, listeners, viewers, whatnot they had.
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And he had a really fascinating ability to just convince famous people to buy into him. Investors, I think Lorraine Powell Jobs was one of his early investors, Mark Lazzari, like big names, right? And then people who came on his shows. Bill Gates, Priyanka Chopra, Ilhan Omar, Sean Spicer, Jamal Hill, Ava DuVernay, whatever.
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Wenn ich gehört habe, wenn ich bemerkt habe, und ich bin jetzt gesagt worden, dass es in Wahrheit Ossi ist, weil, natürlich, sicher, warum nicht. Wenn ich gesagt habe, dass Mina ein Gast auf der Carlos Watson Show war, habe ich ausdrücklich gefallt.
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Das muss 2020 gewesen sein, denn das war ein Backdrop aus den ersten HQ-Tagen, bevor ich die Wand hinter mir gedreht habe. Ich glaube, das ist eigentlich ziemlich wichtig für die Geschichte, dass das alles in der Pandemie passiert ist, weil... This whole story is basically about fake it till you make it, right?
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This guy who conned not just investors, but people to be around his programs and whatnot. And in some ways, kind of as we shifted to remote programming, I think that probably made it easier for him as everything became digital, because that is such a fundamental part of the story too, the ability to fake things in media in the digital age. But the story of how I went on that was...
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yeah, good investigative journalism, by the way. I spent zero seconds looking into this, right?
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Und ich möchte, dass du als breites Überblick, als wir Dan in die Spezifizität eines Artikels bringen, das untergeheizt ist, weil technologische Verbesserungen die Internetseite ausdrücken, um in etwas immer mehr Byzantinisch zu wachsen. Es gibt so viele mehr Möglichkeiten, anstrengend zu sein.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But my point is like, in an age where so much media, so much of what we do is about internet presence and social media and basically being vouched for by who you know and who you engage with on the internet and who's on your programming as opposed to earned credibility, it kind of makes sense that a guy like this, who is really good at convincing people and then kind of building almost a...
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Das Pansy von Namen hat sich in diesem Moment gegründet. Und das ohne zu viel zu sagen, was das Slate-Bild über die Diversität und die DI-Ansicht betrifft.
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Ein Teil dessen, was Carlos Watson gemacht hat, war, dass er nicht ein Medienfigur war, bis er sich selbst gewonnen hat. Und deshalb wurde der Publikum, natürlich, stark gesteigert von bezahlbaren Dingen und skammerischen Strategien.
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But part of the thing that he got in trouble for was there was a fundraising call in 2021 in which the guy he was working with, one of his right-hand men who pled guilty ultimately in his own trial, misled Goldman Sachs by impersonating a YouTube executive, according to the New York Times.
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And prosecutors contended that Mr. Watson had helped set up the call, had orchestrated this thing where they were raising money with Goldman Sachs for this large media company by just literally doing an impression of a YouTube executive for a big bank. And it was, quote, egregious perjury, according to the judge.
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The quantum of dishonesty in this case was exceptional, is another quote from the judge.
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Which is like as if Stugatz was James Bond. You would call it a quantum of dishonesty.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Das ist viel, Dan. Es gibt hier einfach viel schämerisches Verhalten.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Es ist etwas, was ich in unserem Jahrende, sort of looking ahead to the new year capacity, reflektieren möchte.
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The fact that this is a media-specific scam that seems so easy to pull off, I think is really interesting, right? Because Keiner weiß in diesen Tagen wirklich, wie viele Leute waschen und waschen waschen. Es gibt so viel *** da draußen. Ich habe davon geholfen. Ich sage nicht, dass die Dinge, die ich mache, wirkliche Menschen sind, die sie beobachten und alle unsere Zahlen sind ehrlich.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I really enjoyed reading this list because as a creature of the Internet, and I guess we all are pretty much at this point, I obviously have opinions about what sort of online behavior bothers me, what I try to avoid, fail to avoid, struggle with. And I think... Ja. Ich denke, du solltest alles nehmen, was du möchtest, aus dem großen Board, das deiner eigenen Kreation ist.
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Ich sage nur, dass ich ständig die Zahlen verfolgen sehe. A quantum of dishonesty. It is a quantum of dishonesty. So I do think it's very notable that this man picked this industry in this moment, Pablo.
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Yeah, I think that right now, for people who don't know, you see arguments all the time like, look, this X broadcast has X times as many viewers as the nightly news or whatever, the entirety of the New York Times. And you're like, what are the variables? What are you measuring? And they're all different.
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So just not to bore you with like a Nielsen household versus an X view versus a YouTube view versus an impression versus a podcast download versus a podcast listen versus there's just a million different ways to measure and can be spun however you want by and large. The reason why all of this is especially interesting to me is because it's a media company in the era now of what is now
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Dan, du bist wie... Wondering about how can a guy sleep at night. Like 90% of the staff, according to his own team and testimony, were people of color and or women. And so this was a diversity-plated scam in which the premise was, we're going to be the change you want to see in the world at a time when actually there's money flowing into that for the first time to this degree.
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Und anstattdessen war es ein Konzern, der den Menschen mit Ammunition unterstützt hat, die wollten einen größeren Druck auf die Evolution sehen, als selbst ein breiter Scham.
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Niemand weiß in diesen Tagen, was wirkliche Nahrung auf der Internetseite ist. circa 2020, all of these corporations saying, we need to check a box in diversity and say we put this amount of money into a diversity initiative. He saw that, took advantage of it. And that is heartbreaking. This story in Slate is by one of those employees and it is really beautifully written.
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And he talks about how upsetting it was to buy into this idea and realize that it was being exploited. And as Pablo has said, now it can be pointed to as an example of diversity. was eine tolle Idee war und etwas war, in das die Firma investieren sollte, aber es ist ein Scham. Und das ist für mich die größte Verrücktheit von all dem.
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That's it. Like for potentially my show, at least for this year. For lots of other things, institutions we hold dear. What did we find out today, guys, at the end of the year 2024? And also this episode, as you guys get the hell out of here.
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found out that Pablo's feelings are hurt, that I don't look at his Instagram stories. So I guess... No, I'm not going to look at them.
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Great. I found out that I probably should get better friends at some point. Good luck with that. And also...
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What I found out today is that I got to get a teeth that's a little less hairy. It's gross. It's gross what I have to do for money. Our Sound Design by NGW Post Our Theme Song as always is by John Bravo and we will talk to you next time.
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I'll start on book and take one of her suggestions. And it is one that I agree with, one that I have violated once and immediately regretted. And it's actually her very first suggestion. It's very specific. Dan, while you might not understand, like this might not make sense to you in specific, I do think there's a broader thing here. So her very first commandment of...
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Internetposting oder Verhalten ist, du sollst keine Songs auf Instagram-Posts stellen. Und ich, also das spricht mir zu, und das ist, wo ich dich und Dan bringen möchte, Phones are too loud, generally. I don't like opening things on my phone. Not just Instagram, but this is, I think, a good... It's emblematic of the broader phenomena. Websites, any social media, whatever.
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Group chats and it blaring noise involuntarily at me. Um... Ich verstehe, dass ich die Geräusche unabhängig an Menschen für ein Leben in manchen Fällen veröffentliche. Aber ich will generell einfach mehr Ruhe auf der Internetseite. Das ist spezifisch bei der IG-Sache. Das war ein Veränderung, den Instagram vor einem Jahr gemacht hat, wo man Songs hinzufügen konnte.
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Yeah, Dan, Dan didn't realize when you post something now on what is called on main, on your main feed, you can now choose a soundtrack that plays when you basically begin to look at these photo parentheses S. It's funny because it harkens back again, Dan, this is a different thing, but there used to be a website called MySpace and you could put songs on your profile.
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Ja, meine Meinung ist, dass das Teil von meinem Scrolling-Zeit mit einem Kind ist, das ich nicht erwachen will und ich generell keinen Geräusch brauche. Aber das ist eine größere Sache für mich. Ich fühle mich einfach, als wäre das Internet zu laut.
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Nein.
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Es geht nicht um den Song. Ich bin mit Dan. Manchmal finde ich, dass das ein toller Song ist. This is a well-chosen scoring for this Instagram carousel of someone's last 20 meals. But Mina, Instagram Stories as a concept are a series of pop-up windows you did not ask for, all blaring noise. So why are you drawing the line? You must be against Instagram Stories altogether, if that's the argument.
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This actually creates real problems in my life. I don't look at people's Instagram stories almost ever. And so we'll be in a social setting and everybody will have some... They're like, yes, we all... You had an amazing outing to, you know, the Catalina Islands. And I was like, that looked really fun. And I have no f***ing clue what everyone's talking about.
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In my own household, my husband will post things on his IG stories.
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Nick prolifically is posting on IG stories.
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No idea. I barely remember to do it myself. And I just don't look at them that often. And maybe there's like a larger theme here, by the way, Dan, which is control, which is I don't like the internet making me look at things and putting sound and video. I like to be able to choose it myself, so.
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Mia sagt, dass sie abhängig davon ist, dass er es postet. Das ist sogar krüger.
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Ich schaue nicht so oft auf die Geschichten. Weißt du, ich... Bist du ein großer Geschichte-Typ? Ich bin ein großer Geschichte-Typ.
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Du wüsstest das, wenn du auf meine Geschichten klickst. Keine Ahnung.
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Keine Ahnung.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So Mina does do something though. The story she posts, which I click on because I'm a good friend, keeping up with my friends.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
He tells me about them in person in our house and plays the music for me and we have conversations about it. I don't... Unsere Beziehung hat wirklich nichts mit der Internetseite zu tun. Wir haben uns vor einer super sozialen Medienzeit getroffen und ich bin nicht wirklich öffentlich darüber. Und ich behalte ihn nicht durch seine Internetseite. Ich fühle mich als super selten, wenn ich das sage.
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Ich bin einfach ehrlich. Das ist einfach... Wir sind einfach nicht... Pablo, du hast eine ähnliche Dynamik.
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Ja, Liz ist offline. Liz ist offiziell offline.
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Valerie hat meine künstlerische Augen auf Fotos gekomplimentiert und Dan weiß das.
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Valerie is so much more interested in my photographic sensibility than my own wife is. And it does in fact feel quite conspicuous. My second pick... ist etwas, was eigentlich Dan und Liz betrifft, weil oftmals, und das ist etwas, worauf ich hergekommen bin, ich habe früher mit diesem Take völlig nicht zufrieden, jetzt bin ich da, weil meine Augen geöffnet sind.
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Why are you giving a toast? You're giving a toast at the holiday party right now, at the end of the year holiday party.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So when we drive during the holidays, for instance, it's me and Liz and Violet in a car. And inevitably, I am plugging in, I'm driving, I am on CarPlay, the podcast I listen to. And invariably, I'm listening to the Dan Levitard Show. And what I am doing is violating this commandment, which is, thou shalt not use 2x speed with an earshot of another human. Oh. So, I tend to catch up on Dan's show.
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I tend to catch up on lots of shows. On 2x speed. auf Apple Podcasts. Und ich habe gehört, dass es klingt, als ob ich tatsächlich psychotisch bin, um irgendetwas zu konsumieren, an dieser Rate. Und es scheint, dass Liz und der Autor dieses Buches in totalem Vertrauen sind. Und als ich gehört habe, dass jemand anderes es macht, war ich so, ja, das ist f***ing dumm.
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Instagram.
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Right after this ad.
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Well, his is more of a social part, which is, I was complaining about the computer doing it to me. He was complaining about his preferences being projected onto other people. Because I don't think you're saying it's wrong to listen to stuff at ultra speed.
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I do it all the time.
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Because you have like a 20-minute walk and you're trying to get through a 40-minute podcast. I do 1.75 personally, Pablo, but I have had the same experience in a car where it's come on and Nick's been like, what is this? This is horrible.
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This is incomprehensible, yes.
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I don't want it. I'm not seeking the stimulus. It's a time management issue for me. I would love to have a life where I could just listen to a 45-minute podcast in entirety on a walk. I just don't have that. Bandwidth anymore.
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I think there's an interesting point of differentiation between these two first and second commandments, because one of them, I am choosing the stimulus that you described for an informational purpose. There's like a function. The other is more, I don't like having it projected upon me.
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I don't like having loud noises and things put upon me, especially if it's not work-related, I suppose, or something helpful.
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The 2024 Internet Etiquette Draft: Share & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So I do want to point out that Dan is onto something though, because the author of the piece says that such a sound 2x speed from so close in a way that is insane. She says that sound is merely an oral funhouse reflection of humanities need to consume. And it's terrifying enough to bring down this whole operation. I am guilty of this in this sense. I want to listen to Dan's show.
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Dan pumps, I don't know if you guys know this, Dan pumps out a lot of content every day. A lot. And so my desire to keep up with the Dan Levitard show with Stu Gatz requires me within a certain compressed time frame to go to X speed. However, the hypocrisy I was trying to allude to before is simply this. If you tell me that you listen to my **** on 1.25, you're dead to me. Really?
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Ich, ich, ich, weil ich, ich, ich, ich fühle mich, als ob wir etwas machen.
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Ich bin überrascht. Ich bin wie, wow, du willst das so schlecht durchgehen. Du kompressierst es.
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Du runnst es schnell. Ich runne andere schnell, aber ich brauche einen glacialen Puls für die Arbeit, die ich mache, ist, was ich sage. Ich mache etwas, was so deliberativ wert ist. Und ich hasse es, dass andere Leute mir und ihnen, was ich tue, zu mir tun.
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I text with Pablo like every day, so I can't relate to this.
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Don't let it melt fast.
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Does Dan have a draft pick or is Dan just going to sit there? As I say, Miene Keim Show listeners, we spent an hour and 45 minutes Like breaking down Patriots, Bills, Jags, Raiders this week. If you want to listen to that at 1.75 speed, more power to you. My kings and queens.
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There is also, Mina, the subtext of that, which is that sometimes people will hint at things. They'll be like, guess what? I got a new job, significant other, whatever else. And then they'll just disappear or stop posting about that. And people will be like, so what happened?
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I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Well, the seesaw, right, takes us through triple jeopardy. And we do see, for those not watching on YouTube, we do see a bit more of the buzzer here.
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The scores, Dan. Sean Gunn, $20,500. Mina Kimes, a very respectable $16,400. Dave Friedberg, a distant third, $8,400. Not really a factor is where we are at this point in the story.
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What I can't get over is just that Mina, for those not watching, is in full NFL coach behind a mic podium posture. Just like, just really disappointed in herself. The strategy around the Daily Double is hunting them, but not maximizing them.
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Yeah, so the thing about Mina that I so appreciate is that she hates nothing, few things more, I would dare say. than not having the right strategy.
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Okay, well, Dan's now in the audience of reporters asking questions of the coach.
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As always, and for real, what Mina is saying is a true fact, Dan. She has not watched it. She told me that she was physically unable to bring herself to watch it. And so the reason we're doing it on the show like this is because we're going to make her watch it.
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But I didn't... What Coach Kimes... Yeah, sorry. No, I'm just pointing something out. What Coach Kimes is saying is something that I thought I would never hear. which is that she didn't grind enough tape.
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This is the Steelers saying we have to play three games in 11 days.
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To being annoyed by Dan Bayless.
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Are we talking about anything else today? I didn't realize we would spend 30 minutes without actually showing you Final Shepherd.
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This part, the time pressure, is the scariest part of this entire game show to me. You only have so much time to get the answer. You got to write it down. You will see in the answers to come, the writing, people are panicking.
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What I'm going to do is take us on a ride.
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A ride into a studio, a hallowed studio. And on the stage, Dan, is... an actor from the Marvel Cinematic Universe named Sean Gunn, noted Guardian of the Galaxy, a dude who hosts, in my opinion, you know, a kind of odious podcast, All In, named David Friedberg, and our good friend, Mina Kimes.
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Do your job. This is my press conference. Do your job.
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Okay, so I want to reanalyze your immediate instantaneous analysis, which you hear as Final Jeopardy continues.
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Oh, my heart hurts for her right here.
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We'll talk about this. Hold on. Hold on. We're going to watch this.
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Co-host of Hollywood Handbook, another podcast.
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Did Katie make a comeback? It was just a series of dramatic finishes. Katie had her own, like, overtime. Oh, they were, like, down to the wire.
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No, Mina gave the answer that is most reasonable to any rational observer and most destroyable by any back page in a major metropolitan area in which she explains that the process was right, but the result was wrong. And I think that the most honest appraisal, honestly, wasn't even technically, Dan, in the course of this game. It was during the credits.
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So sassy. The sassiest quoting, I believe, either Billy Napier, current Florida Gators football coach, or Young Jeezy. I don't know exactly who originated that, but Mina happened to black out and quote one of them.
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Mina, how long ago did you tape that?
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Not as long ago, though. Not as long ago as the aforementioned prospect that we are here to once again.
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Not only do I see A.J. Soprano, I hear A.J. Soprano. Can we listen to Dan again, introduce himself?
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I would say, though, that you— Sweet, sweet Cuban Jonah Hill.
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Right after this ad.
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Mina, as much as you reject that title, what you are objectively is somebody who had prepared. You said on air that you may have scrolled some subreddits. Clearly, you talked to our friend Katie Nolan, with whom we've done an episode along these lines with her on this program. You have and had, I think, for those not familiar with her Celebrity Family Feud performance, a real competitive side.
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If I pointed out maybe that that incredibly worthwhile charity, which you did support, and it's incredible that Celebrity Jeopardy does enable like real things on the back of stupid things. If I pointed out, for instance, that they could have had even more money if you knew how to do a daily double. I mean, maybe that would, you know.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Speaking of a guy who watched way more Jeopardy than Mina, Aaron Rodgers.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Okay, yes. Imagine if instead of Ken Jennings hosting that episode, it was f***ing Aaron Rodgers, which almost happened. Very close to happening. What I found out today, actually.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
What I found out today is how much I long for that alternate timeline, exclusively and specifically for the ability to have done the episode we just did with each other, but with Aaron Rodgers in the role of Ken Jennings.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You might even say that these Aaron Rodgers segments, they're her own personal daily double.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
The issue, Dan, is that it didn't emerge in the final third. Mina Kimes versus the buzzer. It emerged in the first third.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Mina is so clearly obviously in draft mode right now. Oh my God.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So we played this video of Dan in this thing in what appears to be the 1950s before.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Mina, it explains something, which is that when you do watch it, you see how late Dan is. Now that I know that he's tanking... It's choking.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, hold on. Look, I would argue that it's impressive that Mina goes on runs like this.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Okay, I forgot that the first question in that montage was... about what team is in Tennessee. That maybe wasn't as impressive.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
If you're to talk about the most essential skill for Mina as a Jeopardy draft prospect, the thing that I think is so important that becomes very clear in this episode, in the semifinal, is the Daily Double. Oh, God.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I can't even think myself to watch this. We gotta walk through it. We gotta walk through it. There's a build here. Because Mina, at this point in the story, has $9,700. That's great. She's in control. But this thing, which was a strength in Mina's first Celebrity Jeopardy! win, which got her to the semifinal, becomes very relevant.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Keep it in mind for next time is a very impressive prophecy from Ken Jennings.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
We're not walking into therapy right now, Dan. We're really not going to do that. We're not going to do that. Hi, Mina.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
We're finding out stuff. We're finding out stuff here, Dan.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
He's a fan of Mina's. He's an actual fan of Mina's in a real way.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
As soon as she knew the answer, she was bummed.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
The good news is that you missed Dan's preamble. The bad news is that I think... Mina's giving double thumbs up. The bad news is that I think you may have overprepared for this show because I just went through the game tape of Mina on Jeopardy.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
This is a hell of a press conference, a post-game press conference that Mina is giving. Who among the NFL coaches that you wished you were, who's the guy you think over your, like, I should have channeled more of? Dan Campbell. Because I would wager that Sean Gunn The best character this character actor has played was the role of Dan Campbell in this contest.
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What we just saw was what Mina's football nightmare looks like in Jeopardy. So Sean Gunn is going Dan Campbell. And so Mina does get the ball back. And yes, there's another run downfield, by the way, just in fairness. I'm so tired of this.
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Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But you're back on top. She's back on top, Dan. This is, unfortunately, a seesaw. We're learning. It's a seesaw between her and... And Sean, Dan Campbell.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
They've got projections when you unveil an app like this internally. Bob Iger erlaubt das nicht, ohne einen finanziellen Plan zu haben, was passieren wird. Wie viele Leute zahlen 29,99 Euro pro Monat? Wie viele Leute zahlen für das ganze Jahr und zahlen die 300 Dollar, die es kostet, um es zu bekommen? Was kriegst du?
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Und was wir von Jimmy Pataro und Bob Iger gehört haben, ist, hey, du wirst ESPN bekommen, als ob du es durch Kabel hattest, als ob du es hattest, es ist tatsächlich ESPN. Nun, ich bin ein Hulu Live-Guy, ich bekomme ESPN. Ich weiß nicht, warum ich spendieren muss. Es ist wie für mich ein Venue. wo es so ist, extra für ein Site zu bezahlen, um Sachen zu haben, die ich bereits bekommen kann.
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Ja, es ist ein bisschen einfacher in einem Ort, aber für 29,99 Euro pro Monat, denke ich nicht, dass ich es brauche, weshalb sie gesagt haben, hey, es gibt ein paar Bälle und Windeln. Du bekommst personalisierte Sportzentren und all diese anderen Sachen.
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So the way it started, I started just with John and we were missing a third piece. And when we asked you to host this. August 2023. Wow. Do you remember what you said? You said, listen, I'm going to listen anyway. I might as well participate. So therefore it's the same hour that I'm spending. That's right. It was sort of like Moe and Larry without John. Curly. Curly. Curly.
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I get great cargo shorts and undies right after this ad.
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Wir sind in dieser Ära für DTC jetzt. Bundeln ist mein Lieblingswort, weil wir darüber gesprochen haben, dass man den Bundel zerstört und die Leute aus der Karte gehen lassen und für das, was sie wollen, zahlen. Das war der ganze Argument, warum die Leute ihre Körbe zerstört haben. I don't want to pay for a baseball game that I don't want to watch.
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Now what all these companies are jumping over each other to do is to bundle and give the consumer an offer and the ability to get more than one streaming service. You put them all together and you pay a price per month. And what it leads to is... You pay more. You end up paying more. And so it's been one of the great grifts.
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It makes me so happy from a stockholder standpoint is that people have not yet figured out dass sie mehr pro Monat bezahlen, und wir haben gerade fast den NFL-Schedule-Release getroffen. Warum? Weil es wurde erklärt, dass die NFL auf YouTube und hier und da Spiele haben wird. Jemand hat geändert, wie viel es kostet, um jedes NFL-Spiel zu bekommen. Und es wurde viel Geld.
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Und ich wurde nervös, weil wenn die Leute darauf aufmerksam werden, wird es ein bisschen ein Rückzug geben.
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Ich kriege das jeden Tag. Ich vermute, wir alle machen das. Aber das kippst du ab, und du kriegst keine personalisierten Ads. Du kriegst immer die gleichen Ads. Du willst das? Oh, ich bekomme die besten Charger für meine Geräte. Ich bekomme Dinge, die mit Körnern helfen, die alle entzündet sind. Ich bekomme tolle Cargo-Shorts und Undes. Die Ads, die mir gepusht werden, sind schrecklich.
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Ich nicht überhaupt.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Ich würde nur noch dazu hinweisen, dass ich mit den Vorstellungen, ich möchte nicht davon ausgehen, wenn Sie sich nicht erinnern, weil, wenn Iger das vorstellt, es gibt hier eine Investition, eine ganz große Investition in Infrastruktur, es gibt eine Überzeugung, dass es eine x-Nummer von Abonnenten geben wird, und es gibt dann eine Wachstumsrate, die direkt zu diesem ersten Niveau impliziert wird.
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Und du musst wieder an AnalystInnen zurückkommen. Du musst wieder an Wall Street zurückkommen. Du musst wieder an dein Board zurückkommen. Und wenn sie nicht die Übersetzung bekommen, über die du sprichst, mit Leuten, die sich für dieses Flaggschiff eingeladen haben. Das ist so. Und wir werden es Flaggschiff nennen, obwohl es... Also, lass uns es nicht Flaggschiff nennen.
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Also, wir nennen es ESPN DCC. Ist das, was du es nennen wirst? ESPN, die App. Es gibt nicht genug Leute... Sie kaufen die App und werden Abonnenten auf einem monatlichen und jährlichen Niveau, weil sie nicht fühlen, als ob sie einen inkrementalen Vorteil von dem, was sie bereits haben, bekommen. Diese App wird nicht funktionieren. Und sie wird weg.
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Ja, in meiner Meinung, die App wird funktionieren. Ich meine, sie werden... Wie lange würdest du es geben? Wie lange bevor du dein Board zeigen musst, dass es funktioniert? Zumindest drei bis fünf Jahre. Ich würde sagen, zwei Jahre in dieser Zeit.
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I said, yes, that's true.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
So it's not just... They're called Never Quarters now, actually. Because they're not cutting their cords. They actually now never even have them to start with.
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You've heard that before? Somehow I hadn't. Okay, I may have it wrong then.
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Der Grund, warum du 2012 begonnen hast, ist, dass dein Unternehmen bemerkt hat, dass deine Revenue nach unten ging und deine Kosten keinen Weg nach unten gingen. Die Läufer gaben dir keine Ausgabe an den Rechts-Vorschlägen und du warst in langfristigen Kontrakten. Und wenn du geschlossene Kosten hast mit deklinierendem Revenue, dann ist das alles. Das ist so, wie ein Geschäft untergeht.
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Also müssen diese Diskussionen beginnen. Und hier sind wir 13 Jahre später. Also würde ich sagen, dass ESPN It's not the perfect time because they have had declining results in that area. Now they've made up for it.
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And that's what they'd say on Wall Street. I mean, when you talk about why stock prices are not going up the way they should, it's because what John just said, when you have declining margins, that means you have declining earnings per share.
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Are you crying? Well, what we love is podcasting. We love the game, David. We love what we do together. I have a story before we start. No one asked you for the story. It's a funny story about this show. It's a true story about this show. I was in an Uber on the way to the studio and this had not happened to me yet.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Do you think Abu Dhabi is getting a Disney park because there's a lot of people in Abu Dhabi who want to go to a Disney park? I read that news totally differently and we didn't talk about this, but I assumed that it was some sort of other deal involving the government, involving Disney, which gave them quite a bit of incentive to build a park. I would assume that...
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Es ist der Job eines CO, die Geld seiner Firma zu erhöhen. Also, das ist ein guter Punkt, den du machst, weil du sagst, es ist in Ordnung, wenn Unternehmen Business in Plätzen machen, wo es weniger als, sagen wir mal, moral ist. Du bist völlig in Ordnung mit dem.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Glaubst du nicht, dass Bob Iger einen privaten Flugzeug benutzen wird?
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
I'm telling you that the deal with Abu Dhabi is not because Disney did market research around the world and said, oh my God, I've got it. We need a park in Abu Dhabi.
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I view Disney. I associate the brand. The reason this surprised me is my view of Disney is very much all American. It's very Disney pure Disney. They don't want it. They're upset with all the McAfee stuff like they don't want any part of that. And then they're building a park in Abu Dhabi. It blew my mind until I started doing the math. Well, there's also just.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
The driver of the Uber knew about, recognized my name and me and didn't ask about Survivor, didn't ask about nothing personal, didn't ask about the Marlins. He was asking and mentioned that he listens to Sporting Class. That happened about 20 minutes ago.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
No, I mean, listen, the NBA has made its bed with new partners. There's new TV deals that start next year. NBC has really played it up that they're back in the business. They're calling out the 1990s with the round ball rock theme, which is John Tesh, my favorite guy. I love you, Connie Salica. What was that shout-out? Connie Selica ist Gil Gerards Ex-Frau, die jetzt mit John Tesh verheiratet ist.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Sie war in The Greatest American Hero. Hotel. Am I the only, this can't be. The man has got some information. Okay. That's just called puberty, but okay. Google this person. You've never heard of Connie Selica. I mean, we can edit this out, because I'm so upset right now. I don't think we're going to edit anything out. Let's move on. Michael Jordan.
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Er wird nicht auf dem Boden sein.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Sie haben einen Vertrag gemacht, in dem er mehrere Ausstellungen machen muss. Er hat etwas für die Auf-Fronts gedreht. Er ist nicht mal auf den Auf-Fronts gezeigt. Sie haben eine Tape gemacht... Das ist lustig. Das ist ein lustiges Signal. Also, für mich, du musst die Erwartungen umsetzen.
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Glaubst du, dass sein erster Beitrag sein wird, ihm ein Interview zu jemandem zu geben oder das Interview von jemandem zu machen? If you're a special contributor in theory, you're working on stories.
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Just, that's it. He just was happy to see us.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Er wird Teil des Tom Brady-Fox-Gesetzes sein. Ich würde sagen, abgesehen von der Anzahl. Bei Brady haben wir die Anzahl bekommen, und die Anzahl war nicht nur der Analyst. Er musste vor Ort sein, er musste als Ambassador arbeiten. Wir müssen sehen, was ein Spezialkontributor bedeutet. Wenn er 7 Millionen pro Jahr bekommt, ist das eine Sache.
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Wenn er 30 Millionen pro Jahr bekommt, ist das eine völlig andere Sache.
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You become a billionaire by making money. Well, I realize, but... Let's aggregate that clip. Hachu, hachu. I mean, why would you... Someone offers you 7 million a year, you're like, oh no, sorry.
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Das ist mein Lieblings-Argument. Das Argument, dass er, wenn er 10.000 Dollar auf einem Golfboden gambelt, genug Geld hat, dass es das Äquivalent ist, dass du und ich in einem Wochenende 5 Dollar gambeln. Ich verstehe diese Mathematik. Es ist die richtige Mathematik. Aber es ist nicht so gut, wie Leute denken. Wenn jemand dir 96 Dollar anbietet, um nichts zu tun, würdest du es machen.
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Warum würdest du es schalten? Das ist wie ein Uber.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
So your number is 1,000, though.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Wir wissen bereits, dass er etwas für 1.000 Dollar machen wird. 96, nicht gut genug. Das ist ein helles Negoziativ, das gerade passiert.
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Weil du kleine Dinge hinzufügst, die materialisierbar werden. Das ist das Gleiche wie, warum machst du etwas Schönes für jemanden, der keine großen Gestüren hat? Weil viele kleine Gestüren hinzufügen und den Menschen, der sie macht, bemerkenswert werden. Ich meine, ich kenne das nicht, weil ich diese Gestüren nicht mache, aber ich sage nur, das ist das, was ich gehört habe.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Wir erinnern uns nicht an Baby Jordan. Nummer 45 für die Miami Heat, Harold Minor. Ich weiß nicht, ob er 45 war, aber es fühlt sich an, als wäre er 45. Er ist ein Gast. though maybe that was Jordan's number when he came out of retirement.
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I have a set tip. What is it? It's basically between 15 and 18% depending on the size of Uber, on how expensive Uber is. Over $100, 15%, under $100, 18%. That's helpful. Du machst das immer. Du machst es nicht so.
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He really said that? Yes. I would like to point out to Charles, because Sir Charles may not understand the concept of licensing. His contract will remain with Warner Brothers Discovery. A little nugget here for you, Pablo. He's not going to ESPN. He's not an employee of ESPN. He has nothing to do with ESPN. ESPN is licensing inside the NBA.
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Licensing. I think that... That was an earlier quote.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
I thought you were reading this week's quote. Why would you read a quote from 2016? Because he's been saying it for over a decade. But there wasn't a license deal. That's when he had not signed his big deal with Turner yet. That was the Shaq story. Okay. So he was also... David, stop trying to host the show. I'm not trying to host the show.
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Those are the obligations. It is not that his contract has been assigned to ESPN.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
Oh, ja. Ich hatte Lorraine Bracco auf dieser Liste, bis ich den neuesten Nona-Film mit Vince Vaughn auf Netflix gesehen habe. Und ich habe gesagt, oh mein Gott, ich habe das falsch gemacht. I just had to double check.
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Withdrawn, as they say. Remind me who Connie Selica was. The essence of beauty.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
I listed the things she was on. Pablo, you have a ding in your table and a mark.
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Es ist unglaublich enttäuschend. Ich glaube nicht. Es sieht aus wie ein Schmuck. Es ist nicht jemand, der es schmuckte. Einer deiner Gäste, ich erinnere mich, auf deinem gewonnenen Show. Ja. Das ist unvergesslich hier. Das ist der Mark, aber. Ja. Auf jeden Fall, wir sprechen nach dem Show.
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Tschüss.
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So that's about 22% on top of everything. Although do you now tip anytime you go buy a bagel at H&H? And I love you H&H, shouting out, even though they're not a sponsor, I shouldn't say it. But now when you get a bagel, there's a place when you do Apple Pay for adding a tip and I hit no tip. Ja, das fühlt sich lustig an.
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Tippst du also auf den Topf, wenn du zu einem Newsstand gehst und einen Sticker kaufst? Ich runde ab. Runden ab ist anders als tippen. Runden ab ist, dass du zu beschäftigt bist, um für eine Veränderung zu warten.
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Do you want to give the fine print on this? Wait for it, that's the name of it. They called it that.
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Lass uns für einen Moment über Merger sprechen und wie das funktioniert. Also, wenn zwei Unternehmen mergen, ist eines der Dinge... Wenn zwei Unternehmen einander lieben, sehr viel. Nein, sie lieben nicht einander. Sie versuchen es zu tun, um beide ihrer Stockpreise zu erhöhen. Aber es gibt zwei große Diskussionen, die stattfinden. Welcher der CEOs wird die Merge-Familie führen?
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Weil du zwei CEOs hast. Und zweitens, was wird die Name der Firma sein? Und der Name ist wie verrückt ein Argument. Es ist großartig. Also, ich werde Morgan Stanley sehr schnell erwähnen. Morgan Stanley hat sich mit Dean Witter verbunden und es wurde Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. Für einen Moment. Und dann ist Dean Witter verschwunden und es geht zurück zu Morgan Stanley.
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Well, you did clean up my hair, I guess. I don't think he complained about your hair. It was an observation. Observations are not complaints. I wish I had that hair. You don't look great. I wish I had that hair.
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Rechtsfirmen machen das, wo Proskauer Rose, es gibt fünf Namen danach, aber Proskauer Rose, Federal Express wurde FedEx, Leute haben einen Weg, Dinge zu sagen. ESPN, zu deinem Punkt, das ist, was die Leute sagen. Das ist, was sie verabschieden, egal, was ESPN kauft oder mit wem sie verbinden. ESPN würde immer am Top der Diskussion kommen.
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Ich weiß nicht, wer Bob Iger gesagt hat, was er zu sprechen hat, aber ich war überrascht, wie er das beschrieben hat. Ich verstehe, warum. Sie haben sich dazu gebildet. Und jeder auf dem Markt ist betrüfft von CNN+. Betrüfft. Von dem, was passiert ist. Sie wurden für einen Tag geöffnet. Von CNN+. Richtig. Und es gab eine riesige Menge davon. Sie haben Talent gesandt. Es gab Shows.
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Ja, es gab eine Reihe von Shows. Die ganze Sache.
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Es ist, es kann sein, ich nehme den Über auf einen Tag, aber es war nicht ein Jahr. Ich denke nicht mal, es war ein Monat. It was brief. I don't think it was a day.
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You above all people know that. I do observe a lot. I don't complain much. I don't like the dearth of snacks that exist right now in the office. I'm hungry. I'm grumpy.
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That's pretty good. My memory is wrong. I thought it was like the next day.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
They just will. They're all going to die. They will die eventually. So I don't view that as right. Spoiler alert.
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Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschämt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.
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The Sporting Class: The Truth Behind the NBA Ratings Decline
Wie kann man nur so... Ausgeruht sein? Ganz einfach. Trainiere deinen Schlaf und werde auch du zum Morgenmenschen. Mit der Galaxy Watch 7 oder dem Galaxy Ring und der Samsung Health App.
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The 2nd Annual Ronny Chieng Content-Prostitution Hour
Ronny, ich verzeihe auch.
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The 2nd Annual Ronny Chieng Content-Prostitution Hour
Hey Spotify, es ist Damson Idris hier, um die Apex-GP-Kollektion von Tommy Hilfiger zu feiern.
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Erleichtere Tommy Hilfigers limited edition Apex-GP-Kollektion, inspiriert von F1 The Movie, nur im Cinema am 25. Juni.
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Rankings matter. You know what? Can I just say something? These people that think they're too goddamn good to like, oh, for lists and rankings and whatever. That's what life is. I'm not into people that think they're too good for what everyone enjoys.
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I think they appreciate it.
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You really should get more love from your guys.
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Well, hold on. I rock with my guys hard. Matt Jones did start following you on Twitter. Yes. Oh!
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I've said three, Pablo. You haven't said one of yours.
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That's Ben Simmons. That's such a terrible take. I'll stick with your analogy. If because the lack of brakes exist, you're afraid to drive the car fast, but it can go fast. You're afraid to take it on the freeway, but it can drive above traffic. Then it doesn't matter. It can do all those other things. The other guys in league history who have had a hole in their game, it didn't
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metastasize in a way that it undermined every other piece of their game. And that's what happened to this kid. And I don't know, I don't know the full psychology of it, but it's been, we've known it for five years.
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The number one Ben Simmons guy. Yeah, I'll do that. Pablo wants you to atone for a take. I have atoned for the record. I don't know why I'm not playing along. What take am I atoning for? I atoned for Saquon not working with the Eagles, the Bears making the Super Bowl, Derrick Henry not making a difference for the Ravens. I'll throw in. And the Lakers beating the Nuggets.
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In last year's playoffs. So there's four off the top.
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How about no one's beating the Nuggets in a seven-game series and they won literally one seven-game series. And then blew a 20-point lead at home.
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Why would I be good at this game? I don't even understand the game.
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And we do another version of that, which is how scary are the Bengals?
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Well, yeah, it's to get... Wilds wants more emotion and less analytical responses.
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Typically, that creates the best show.
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Yeah, no, no, no. It has to be based in fact, but a feel to it.
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Who's famous do you want? Is there any financial association to this? Yes. Or is it just the fame?
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No, no, no. That's not what I mean. What I mean is, do you get this person's fame and wealth or just their fame? I'm not saying you can then make money off that level of fame. What I'm saying is,
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Oh, come on. Don't put that on the air.
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Because this is not who I would pick. I don't think Chris Bosh's fame is hyper, hyper... monetizable, but he's got a couple hundred million dollars already. So I'm asking you, in that scenario, if you were to pick Chris Bosh, do you take with you the couple hundred million dollars? It's probably more interesting if the answer is no, that you're just getting their fame. Right, right.
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Okay, all right. If you want to do it, we're going to do it together.
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No. No, it was in the midst of it. People were, there was, if the Hanks movie's correct, he was really raked over the coals about, did you actually have to land in the Hudson? Yeah. I don't know who's giving Sully.
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Hero is nice. Hero is pretty sick. Definitely sick, but let me ask a question. To me, that answer tells me you don't value at all like recognized on the street.
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That's a good level of fame.
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No, that's not my draft pick. I was just saying... So it was just interesting that Wilds picked a guy who I think... Sean Stilato. Only… Yeah. Only becomes… recognized upon introduction and never randomly. You understand what I mean? Like, people hear the name, and I think most people know it. If you have the stash.
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Even with the stash, I gotta tell you right now, I don't know what he... If I close my eyes and think of that guy, I just think of Tom Hanks. Like, I don't remember what the guy actually looks like. And if he was walking down the street, I wouldn't know him. What happened to us on the way in... That, to me, is awesome at that exact level.
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When we were walking in the building, somebody just walked by. I was like, hey, fellas, love the show. That's a great endorphin boost. Yes. I also think being truly famous would be exhausting, and I don't think that would be fun.
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No, I agree. Thank you. I'm trying to think of the name of who this describes. Because my answer would be someone who, if they want to be recognized... is wildly famous, and like you said, can get in anywhere, no weight, but also with sunglasses and a baseball cap on.
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That's the Mike Trout. That's why I drafted Mike Trout, Nick. But you're saying that Mike Trout can't just get in. Wait, hold on. Are you describing like a DJ? Like I'm Avicii. No, I don't. People are like, oh my God. I'll be honest. I'm lying here. I'm lying. Whatever level of fame I have, I enjoy, and I would like more. So this, I don't want to be anonymous.
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I don't think, I think it would bum me out. It would bum you out to be anonymous? Yeah, because I... I appreciate Nick's honesty. So here's why.
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But I've never, and you're going to laugh at me, but just follow me here. My entire adult life... I've had tiny, slightly increasing faith.
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Right. So Kansas City, right. And so at 23, once a week, someone will be like, yo, love the show. And it's just slightly... So not only am I... Has it never been weird for me? Because it's like watching your kid get taller. Like you don't actually recognize it because you see them every day. You know what I mean? Like it's just been... But also, I have no recollection of it not being there.
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So I think Wilds had a whole successful career... without any real fame associated with it. And now, in the last five years, has gotten increasing levels of fame. So Wilds has a standard to remember, like, oh, yeah, yeah, everything, like, I was an adult with a wife and kids and none of this.
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No, that's not what I, again, that's why I said you're going to make fun of me.
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Yeah. So that, so, so I think my answer is like Daniel Day-Lewis. Yeah.
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Because I don't think he... All that dude tries to do is hide. But he's different than me. It's such a perfect answer. But I think that he... It's such a perfect answer. I think that Daniel Day-Lewis, if he wants to just go out and go to Walgreens, is able to do it. But I also think he's like, shit, man, I want to be Daniel Day-Lewis tonight. He obviously can be. That seems awesome.
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So like, so I, because I initially, so someone like, Mark Wahlberg, that seems exhausting. Like, he just has to be Mark Wahlberg at all times.
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And everywhere he goes, like, anyone that feels like, I have to, you know what, I have to have security, that seems exhausting. Right.
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Mispronunciations are fine because it means you learned it by reading it instead of hearing it.
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You're Jimmy, right? This is your house? Sure is. I'm Winston Wolfe. I solve problems.
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No, I understand. But it's the same type of thing where it's like you are anonymous to everyone except for the people who know who you are. And to those people, you're a big deal.
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I do not want drug kingpin fame at all. No, I was just trying to, maybe I should use a different analogy. Phil Ivey. It's a good level of fame. Where, once again, people who know, know. And to those people, you're a god. Visually conspicuous also. But also you're, you know what I mean? That's what mine is, but it's like I can wear a tuxedo. I'm big on if I can wear a tuxedo.
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That was a good question, Pablo. Do you have a list of questions that we should have let you ask instead we just said dumb stuff for 40 minutes?
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Great. Because I have no recollection.
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You can't tell if I'm acting?
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Yeah, I know. That's the bit that I eat. Sean Stilato, you know why you recognized him? Because he was walking around begging people to recognize him and hoping someone said, please take a picture with me. Like, that's why. Wiles doesn't like me saying this because he thinks it's mean, and it is mean, but sometimes truths need to be spoken. Go ahead. You go on what you learned, and then I'll go.
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I learned I hurt Pablo's feelings at your Christmas party. I don't think you hurt his feelings. I don't think that was the takeaway.
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I called you second? I would have thought maybe third, but sure, yeah. Did I have myself first or Belmonte first? I never followed up until now.
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Really? You didn't have me pegged for that? For external validation?
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Yeah, no. So both things can be true. That it's just like the act in itself is fulfilling. A thousand percent that is true. What is also true is I have become... addicted to the occasional, what I call it, endorphin boost or ego boost or whatever, of the stranger saying, you know, saying, like what you do. Yeah.
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And I have become very, with something that I do not, is not a positive trait, but I recognize it. I've become very impatient on lines. Because, like, I still go out to clubs and stuff with my wife. And I used to, oh, there's a line. We'll just wait in it. And I just don't have the capability anymore. Can't do it. Can't do it. I can't.
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You think that's just getting older?
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No, so I, maybe, but it's.
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That part's true. I'm not waiting in a line. Yes, but it's also why I don't think human beings are wired for fame. And I just, I think it is unnatural. And it's prior to the last 20 years, very, very, very few people were actually had any fame. And everyone wondered, like, what's happening to society, whatever, that's too wide-ranging.
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Well, do I think I am the smartest guy in sports media? Obviously, I think that. I would. And I would think anyone that is in the lane I'm in, if they think there's someone smarter than them, I would lose respect for them. Is the lane you're in breathing person? No, I don't think I'm the smartest person in the world. That's ridiculous.
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But I truly believe millions of people now having an element of notoriety or fame via a social media following is the symptom of so much of... people losing their minds. People get more anchored to opinions they had because you used to be able to have a bad opinion anonymously and change it. But now it's like, eight years ago, I posted on Facebook that I believed this.
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And now people, I'm tied to that, like a bad sports take that people won't let go of. And I think that people have started manicuring and curating their own
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belief system to what they think they're following likes because people aren't wired to deal with fame and so I think one of the other pieces of that is once you have an element of it I think most people feel they need it I'm not saying it's healthy but I think it's more typical than you would think of people who've been in the public eye for a long time needing to keep some relevance.
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Thanks, Pablo. Accurate. Nicest thing you've said to me in two hours.
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I don't even think I'm one of the... No, but I'm in an industry where the barrier for entry of intelligence is not exactly high. How dare you? How dare you? And the lane I have is the... annoyingly accurate smart guy.
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I would just ask the audience, what else are we going to assign my success to? My look? No. I got a great voice? No. Connections? No. Athleticism? No. Likeability? Pretty clearly not. It's like, God damn it. That guy really irritates me. But... He's smart, I learned something, and he's right a lot. That's a great take. I mean, what do we assign Wilde's success to? He's incredibly handsome.
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He's one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's super likable.
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If he had all of those things and was the smartest guy in the room, I don't think he'd be president. But this is the...
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It's a real ice cream sandwich of a compliment. It doesn't look great at all. But I also think it really says a profound amount about you that it stuck with you for 14 months because it means that you operate under the same assumption I do, that you're the smartest guy in the business. It's hard to debate that.
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See why this guy's my rival? Do you see? This rivals thing is more interesting. Do you get it?
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Kevin Wilds makes fun of me because he says that this is an insane way to look at my career. But I just assumed everyone looked at it this way, which is I have a rivals list. Everyone in the media that is within two years of me or younger than me, I must vanquish and I must be more successful than. I have to do it. They are all my rivals.
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And the reason I mention it is right now, rising to the top of the rivals list is Pablo Torre. And he will be vanquished. Pablo's younger than me. Pablo made fun of me a bit on the show the other day, which only solidified that he is my rival. And it doesn't matter that we're friendly. It doesn't matter that he's always been kind to me. It doesn't matter that I was at a Christmas party with him.
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I will vanquish Pablo Torre.
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I don't think that it is unique in any industry to look at. the other high achievers that are around your age and measure yourself against them. So everyone that was around my age, even though we're not young anymore, they're all rivals.
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I didn't, I don't like to come over the top on someone else's compliment. Yeah. And I also don't like to lie. So, I was in a weird spot, you know, kind of a double way in and out. By the way, evidently my hair is getting screwed up by the headphones. I think it looks great.
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I didn't refuse to play along.
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No. Again. Do you want me to read into the court transcript when you text it? Please. And see if the audience thinks that I refused. Also, just lie.
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So as I stated before, I never said I wasn't in. I just said it's going to be hard. But I've got some things ready. But do you want to go first since you guys were the ones in first? You're saying that you have generated... Yeah, I've got some ones that didn't work. For sure. Is it this one? I'm ready to move from the flirtation stage to the commitment stage.
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And I am picking the Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams to win the NFC and to be a rookie quarterback representative in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, that's the obvious one. Now, I am curious, if Jaden Daniels were to make the Super Bowl, that take becomes basically half right. Because most of the people's objection was a rookie quarterback's never made the Super Bowl.
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And it would have been like, if you say, hey, an asteroid's going to hit Earth in...
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Peru in 2028 and an asteroid hits Argentina in 2028 you weren't as wrong as the people who were like no way it's not coming you were definitely more right and so Jaden Daniels season kind of indicates the opinion a bit but obviously didn't go that way there's a whole another sliding doors thing of Tyreek Stevenson doesn't taunt the fans and the Bears get to five and two and Jaden loses that game what we're talking about but no that was a bad take the thing about
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sports predictions is their predictions. And the, you know, as, as try as I might can't flawlessly tell the future. Yeah. That would have been probably, I don't know if that would have been the number one draft pick for the wrongest take I've had, but it's up there.
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I appreciate that. All of our hair is looking pretty good. Pablo's got great hair. Wild's has great hair. My hair is fine. I'm in a room with two people objectively with better hair than me. My hair gets graded on a curve because... I used to have a shaved head and people thought that was by force than by choice. So people oddly think this is like fake hair.
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Oh, if it was just one take, then it wouldn't have been Herculean. I thought we needed a long list. We do have this take also, just for the record on that. I don't believe in the eagles. I don't believe in their coach, and I'm starting not to believe in their quarterback. Yeah, I mean, two-thirds of that applies. I don't believe in the quarterback, and I don't believe in the coach.
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Now, I was dead wrong on Saquon and his impact, and Brew nailed that. The thing that I was going to bring to the take exorcism was I did pick the Lakers to beat the Nuggets. Oh, yeah, I love that. That was my shining moment. Here's the other thing. I don't understand people being embarrassed by incorrect sports predictions.
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I think that old takes exposed guy existing has been one of the greatest things that ever happened in my career. Because I think there's a lot of people who are like, oh boy. I don't want to get old takes exposed. Let me water this one down. F*** do I care? Like, oh no. Oh no. This loser is going to retweet the thing that I said six months ago.
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Because I take so much pride in being correct. I should feel shame when I'm wrong?
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I fundamentally disagree. It is the life of a... in a different genre, professional gambler. I knew it, I knew it. Which is, I am going to, in a theoretical world, be the world's greatest sports bettor. And I'm gonna make millions of dollars a year betting sports. And my path to doing that is being correct 56% of the time. And part of that means I know going in, I am going to be wrong
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Two out of five. And if every time I'm wrong, I'm like, oh, what am I going to do now? Then that is, you are the ultimate trust the process guy. You are the ultimate... This is unfortunately true. And so, no, I don't go into every football season saying, well... We're going to be perfect. I go into every football season saying, I'm going to be better than all my rivals.
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And luckily, all of them, year after year, convince themselves the greatest team any of us have ever seen is probably not that good. So I start off way ahead. And I only need a few other things to fall to be the rightest one.
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I said this a few months ago, and I believe it 100% to be true. He'll never be back.
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You know why teams do weird shit when they're playing the Chiefs? Because staring across the sideline and seeing Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid terrifies them.
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The Jordon Rules: An Exclusive PTFO Investigation
I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Warren G. did tell us that he is not familiar with deductive logic, his book, Raising... libidos in this way, but he did tell us. Is this one of our 11?
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He's not one of the 11 for the record.
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The illogic of this whole thing, though, right? Why is she so protective of this question? Why is she doing this? There is, I think, in our reporting, as Katie deduced, the whole, like, let's not draw attention to the fact that I was 19, he was almost 69.
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Legal though it may be. But there's another theory, according to people who have dealt with her directly on... matters of business, which is that she seems to be of a belief as she carves up Bill Belichick's brand, his life into different buckets of monetization. And by the way, she is the person who inspired in a real way the book that is at the heart of that CBS non-promo.
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She had read, I'm told, Ray Dalio's book Principles. Like as an idea mill, as she's credited in the acknowledgments, she does come up with ideas like that book. But what the source says has deduced is that she may be saving exclusively any and all talk about their origin story, their relationship for a potential reality show.
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We have a timeline of exclusive information that is new, breaking. No one else has broken it yet. I've been sitting on it for a long time.
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she is somebody who believes that an exclusive means exclusive. Like, you can't talk about this anywhere else. This story is for a future theoretical project. That is the theory from people who have had to deal with her. And the dealing with her, right? When did this happen? When did she get control over Bill Belichick's new media empire? So, you may recall the time that Bill Belichick got a...
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Defenestrated from Katie Nolan's New England Patriots.
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Right? You guys were here the last time when we broke this story that, in fact, Jordan Hudson, Bill Belichick's girlfriend, age 24, had insinuated herself into a Super Bowl commercial with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. This was a very conspicuous thing to us, and now maybe to everybody who is watching this again. Exactly.
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A fenestra of time, if you will. A fenestra of time that he didn't have football to fill. He had, I'm going to count them down, a podcast for Underdog Fantasy called Coach. He had Inside the NFL for the CW. He had appearances with Peyton Manning and various kinds. He had appearances on the Pat McAfee show.
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And all of this was kind of conspicuous given that, again, no one hated media more than that guy. And also, as you told multiple people, he never listened to a podcast before. Who among us? Not surprising.
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So he shows up at NFL Film Studios in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. All of these things I've mentioned are filmed there, at the one place that he trusts as a media entity. It's the company that he grew up adoring and trusting, NFL Films, right? Like his dad is a coach. He is a football nerd. He has friends who've worked there for a very long time.
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The Hard Knocks thing, which is, for those not familiar, the reality show where... You get cameras all over a football building, typically an NFL team. It was going to be for the first time a college team. It was going to be Chapel Hill, North Carolina. It was going to be this program. And it was going to be produced by NFL Films.
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So this is, again, the organization where all of these shows had been taped. This was Belichick's sort of like comfort zone. And so when you get the news that Jordan Hudson, and this is something that I've confirmed myself, was instrumental in that deal blowing up because she was trying to assert control over the negotiations.
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This is now how we arrive at a point at which Bill Belichick's insulation from these media things has absolutely just become a thing he has to deal with.
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And at the beginning of this, as of the summer of 2024, Jordan Hudson was not in charge of everything. But there was one famous story that was witnessed by, I am told, dozens of people, including freelance contractors who were hired to work on the set for a seven-figure scripted commercial. And yes, we're talking about another expensive commercial shoot here. This is Belichick.
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Talk to me. Double B. Tyrese. What's good with these whiteouts? He's going My man. William, answer the phone. Billy B, my man. Cam. How's QB1 looking? It's looking more like QB3.
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My body rejects that. What I am told by multiple people among the dozens who witnessed the shooting of this is that what happened that day on set was, quote, highly unusual.
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Jordan Hudson, who was at the time like a person they kind of heard about, but again, this is last summer, not quite the entity that we know now, nothing close, had arrived on set and started immediately pitching herself for a role that had not been discussed in this scripted seven-figure commercial shoot that would also serve as, quote, the hard launch of their relationship.
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And she told everybody to hold on, actually, as this idea developed in her head, because what she did was she left set, Came back sometime later, and she was wearing a yellow polka dot bikini.
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Think about the scene, though. Right? So she shows up. She's wearing a bikini. She's walking around. Bill Belichick, if you're wondering... betrays no emotional change as this is happening.
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And everybody around is like, again, this is like, as she called him on set multiple times, this is a star. She kept on calling him a star.
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So that part, right, the how do they manage this question, because she's insisting the hard launch be good for the commercial. And Belichick was going along with it. He's like, of course, I, yeah, this seems totally normal, like a thing you would do. And The crew had to figure out, what the f*** do you do now? Oh, no.
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So the premise of the ad, according to my sources, was Jordan Hudson by the pool, sunning herself in a lounge chair, trying to get Bill's attention, that kind of a thing.
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A little more spirit on the, you know, on the charge next time. So Jordan, right there, right next to Bill, next to Coach Belichick. To recap, she was the one who represented herself as Bill Belichick's agent. Katie Nolan, I believe, branded her accurately on the last episode.
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taping for the actual commercial was done by then. And so what they did was they filmed something.
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Oh my God. That one source told me. Oh, this is embarrassing. May have involved a camera that may not have even been on.
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I, I looked. Of course you did.
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So not understanding how sets work, how cameras work, how microphones work, that's a through line so far from CBS to this. And what happens though, as everybody on set is watching this and the people who work on these shows are watching this in this one central location where the mountain has come to Muhammad and everybody goes and like...
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filmed stuff with Bill Belichick, the newly crowned media king of football who cannot get a job in the NFL. One source told me this, quote, I watched her power grow inch by inch. I can take this, I can take this, I can take this. And the question then is like, why wasn't anyone in the way? Like, why was the power vacuum so empty? And the inner circle of Bill Belichick is a fascinating thing.
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So it used to be managed, his PR used to be managed by this guy, Berj Najarian. He was handling all of his personal PR. He was the guy who, as Bill Belichick, was very hard to deal with. He was very easy to work with, but ultimately they said nothing. And that was a good relationship. That was a safe relationship.
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He's now, however, the chief of staff at Boston College, leaving behind a group with whom Bill Belichick still has a standing pre-dawn phone call every single day. You got Matt Patricia. the former defensive coordinator of the Patriots and also briefly the offensive coordinator. That did not go any better. It's not. We can also mention that Josh McDaniels is also in this group.
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Also, Mike Lombardi, longtime friend of Bill Belichick, former Patriots assistant, now GM at UNC. And these are yes men. So I just want you to imagine being Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick is somebody who has been for decades incredibly insulated from having to live anything resembling a normal life. He has been a coach. He has been in charge.
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Yeah, prescient. I've been thinking about that, haunted by that, because in the months since then, I've also been making more calls. And so when this stuff happened recently, I was at the bottom of the rabbit hole already and everything I have found out from personally talking to 11 sources who have directly dealt with her. Yes. First hand. Oh my God.
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And Matt Patricia, as was described to me, like, this is, quote, a doormat. That's mean as well. And I kind of...
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feel bad about that but these guys like are watching jordan come in and they're like eye rolling they're kind of like nudging each other is the description but they're not telling bill they're not telling coach this is a bad idea so she comes in and out alphas everybody and that's how in a very short amount of time in a period of months they watch her take power
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And so, simultaneous to this, Bill Belichick, to the people he's doing these media projects with, is repeatedly calling Jordan brilliant. He is telling them, you need to hire Jordan. He told one of these media companies, I am told, that they should hire her for a six-figure salary as part of their deal with him to make the show in question.
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But you can imagine what that work environment was like, where she was on every single call, every single email. They had to go through her. She ran his life. Media partners had to go to her to get to him. They commuted together all the time from Boston to New Jersey. She was calling people into meetings.
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And connecting back to the CBS interview, she again didn't seem clear on how cameras and hot mics worked. And I say that because in another infamous story that circulated among dozens of people on set at the NFL Film Studio, Bill Belichick, Katie Nolan, you can imagine this, right? He's wearing a mic. She is whispering to him.
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The problem is that there are these things in television called control rooms. And at NFL Films headquarters, as Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson are mic'd up, they proceed to hear them talking s*** about all sorts of people. They're talking s*** about graphics. They're talking so much s*** about the graphics people. They are... not aware that dozens of people can hear them talk.
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I am here to say a couple of things to you guys. Number one is that I need to change the foremost policy of talking about Jordan Hudson.
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I will safely say that Bill Belichick's inner circle could have used a Katie Nolan.
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It's true. The parallel here that I imagine is like in succession, you know, the council of just like people who are just like sucking up to Logan Roy, who are there because they're looking for like the scraps of power that fall off of his plate. That is a lot of what I've had described to me. And I am trying always to like balance how I...
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I'm going to start calling her Jordan Hudson.
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don't have Jordan Hudson's perspective because she wouldn't talk to us. But the quotes that you hear from the people who worked with her, and again, I think, look, I just, I don't know how to diplomatically convey the following quote from one of the people who worked on these shows. Quote, she is the worst person I've ever met on earth and I've worked with multiple sociopaths.
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I can tell you that an unquantifiable number among the 11 are in effect.
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She is the worst person I've ever met, and I've worked with multiple sociopaths. I mean, that's pretty bad. They still fear her today. Oh my gosh. This is a lot of, there's so much fear in this story.
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I suppose a question, if you are in the family of one Bill Belichick or somebody who was invested in what's going on here, would be, okay, who else has Jordan Hudson sort of been with recently? What's her type? What's her deal romantically? And look, I don't know all the answers to that. I just know that there is this guy, Joshua L. Zuckerman. Dude's in his mid-60s.
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And when you talk to 11 people, I do want to demonstrate some open-mindedness to the quest.
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According to his LinkedIn, he is the CEO of, wait for it, a geriatrics facility in Cape Cod.
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It's relevant because Joshua L. Zuckerman told TMZ the following, quote, she is wise beyond her years, much more than any 20-something I've ever met in my life. The narrative about her character is not fair to her, end quote. And then also separately, I wish these internet trolls and paparazzi would leave her alone and everyone else alone and let them live their lives, end quote.
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On Twitter, he, under the name Joshua L. Zuckerman, not a ton of tweets, but one of them is a reply to Ann Coulter, And it is from November 7th, 2017. And it's simply YouGoGirl.
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The place where he is very active, though, is Vivino.com. What is that?
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65 million users. Vivino. 65 million? 65 million. My gosh. I'm now only appreciating the claim that you're spotlighting. That's a lot of people. But it is the world's largest wine app and marketplace empowering people everywhere to enjoy wine to the fullest. Not what I thought it was. He has written 1,208 wine reviews.
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And I would like Michael to turn over his packet and help the audience understand what some of these reviews are.
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This is an extraordinarily generous read of what this guy's deal is.
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And so, too, there are questions about how original is this recipe?
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Can I just point out, it felt like he was... Oh, my God.
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It felt like he was f***ing that wine.
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I don't think we needed to pull the... Big hugs. So Joshua L. Zuckerman, her ex, one part of the political spectrum, as very clearly self-professed. The other part of the political spectrum, though, Is where you might find Lee Hudson. Okay. Lee Hudson is Jordan's mom. Lee Hudson has a job in Provincetown, Massachusetts.
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We absolutely haven't. But the recipe for this story is there is some succession. There is some Dawson's Creek. There is certainly some Lifetime movie. The story of arguably the greatest coach in the history of not just football, but everything. And a couple of breaking news updates since what has happened publicly since we last gathered. Number one, okay?
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Yep. What is P-Town known for?
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This is where I would like Katie Nolan to flip over her packet. We sent a reporter to Provincetown, Massachusetts. Lee Hudson professionally helped run a place called Toys of Eros. Hell yeah, Lee.
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Our reporter tells us that Jordan's mom mostly works remotely, isn't around a lot. She has been declining to comment on any of this. But our reporter did take a tour of this store. And it's a museum. Okay. And Katie Nolan, I would like you to reveal the exclusive reporting that we have handed you for this episode.
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Welcome to Toys of Eros. That's the sign on the f***ing door.
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So you walk in, and what do you see?
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A couple of the visuals on this kind of feels like it's some medical tape and a slinky and a can.
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How dare you disrespect one of the hundreds of phalluses made of stone, leather, bone, and dung that have been found during excavations. A dung dung, if you will.
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Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week by the higher-ups inside the athletic department that had hired Bill Belichick to be the highest-paid public employee ever. not just coach, in the state of North Carolina at $10 million a year. And that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building.
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Now, you mentioned the technological evolution of such devices. Mm-hmm. I guess it's now time for us to talk about the aforementioned injectable erectile dysfunction drugs.
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Nice. Really nice. For the YouTube audience, we are high-fiving that.
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Jordan's mom in 2017... I guess I have to describe this as a legitimate local scandal. In where? Where are we again? P-Town. We're in P-Town. Yeah, P-Town. We're on Cape Cod, and we're talking about free unlicensed demonstrations of the erectile dysfunction drug, which I am reliably informed is pronounced Trimix. Oh. Trimix.
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Problem with try and trimix in this unlicensed way is that it's not exactly legal. And Jordan's mom was the business manager for the store at the time. You will not be surprised to learn at this point in our episode that this led to an emergency meeting of the Board of Health.
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And one of the board members, according to a readout of the meeting, expressing outrage that the store owner has made no attempt to address the board. It is total disregard for the Board of Health. She thinks the store should be shut down.
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I would think in general, yeah. The House position, as Pablo Torre finds out for the record, is that we are not judging. We are just presenting information.
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The Walter Cronkites of injectable erectile dysfunction drugs. What did we find out, guys, as we try to figure out what all of this means? Who is responsible?
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Do we believe, for instance, what Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, said, as quoted in Seth Wickersham's really good book about the Patriots?
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He's an idiot savant, which is to say, you can be a savant, you can be a genius in football, but outside of it, we're sort of testing for the first time what that genius gets you when you are not surrounded by things that you know and have known for decades.
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She is not allowed on the football field. Quote, don't think you'll be hearing much from Jordan moving forward.
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My take at the end of this is mostly that every disaster we've chronicled seems extraordinarily self-inflicted. It seems like a series of cell phones and also cell phones.
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Both. Cell phones chronicling cell phones.
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And I say that because I think there's a lot of a very young person. And by the way, Silicon Valley is full of such people, right? Very ambitious people with no sense of unintended consequences. None. This is a very familiar prodigy when it comes to the study of power. The real estate she took, she grabbed.
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And the thing that Jordan Hudson considers one of the worst case scenarios here as a result of the CBS disaster, which again, felt entirely preventable if...
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one, were more strategic or knowledgeable about the industry, a parallel through line through so many of the anecdotes that we have reported, is that she has been very concerned to the point of explicitly telling Bill Belichick and others that this whole disaster, this whole episode at this point, honestly, is actively undermining her chances to win the Miss Maine competition.
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She was a runner-up last year.
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She's trying to win that sash this year. Yeah. Okay. The thing starts tomorrow. And if you want a twist in the next development in this script, I just want to point out that one of the contestants she's competing against happens to be a trans woman. And I think they have more votes than Jordan Hudson.
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You're saying you're not looking forward to future defense secretary Jordan Hudson?
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In the words of a very wise man on social media. Oh, boy. Something bad is about to happen. This could be anything. This could really go anywhere. You go, girl.
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So the theory of why any of this happening is a relevant conversation that I'm going to ask you to put a pin in that.
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Because the second update is that Bill Belichick's family is extraordinarily concerned about what has transpired. One Belichick family source told me, quote, there is deep worry for how detrimental Jordan can be for not just North Carolina, but Bill's legacy, reputation, everything he has built and worked for over decades. End quote.
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In fact, the family has been digging into Jordan Hudson as well in a parallel way.
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They are also- Asking questions. In a rabbit hole. They're shocking to 11 herbs and spices. I mean- might be understating the spiciness, honestly, at this point, in terms of how this has gone behind the scenes. Because number three. Oh, boy. What I've been told is that Bill Belichick entrusted Jordan Hudson with the power to run his new media empire. Quote, Jordan was my boss.
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To quote another, the level of cockiness to go along with the absence of resume is stunning. And the idea that Bill Belichick may not realize exactly the damage he's done to himself and certainly his legacy and also to his reputation as a coach.
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And so, yes, this will be a story about leadership and genius and privacy and discipline and also, crucially, the illegal sale of injectable erectile dysfunction drugs.
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So how the f*** did we get here, guys? Pablo, what the f***, Pablo? We started this off joking about Jordan, and late last month, Bill Belichick put on a tattered Navy sweatshirt and showed up to what I am told is his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland, alongside his girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, who was, not coincidentally, wearing her own Navy sweatshirt. No holes.
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She also has been telling people that she picks out all of Bill's clothes for him. Odd choice, then. But the goal, as they show up together wearing Navy sweatshirts, is to promote Bill's new book titled The Art of Winning, Lessons from a Life in Football. And are you familiar with CBS Sunday Morning?
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What's going on with this sweatshirt? Well, you can see I've worn this one for a while.
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To be clear, CBS Sunday Morning, I am told, was trying to tell an extraordinarily positive story about how this coach's decision-making could be a model, actually, for non-football people, too.
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How do you deal with that? Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.
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If you're a savvy PR person, a guard dog even, like you're not trying to be on tape. And what I am told is that, yeah, the reports are true that there is like a half hour more of Jordan Hudson giving hand signals to him during the interview, kind of like a spy gate thing, honestly.
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But instead, what is happening is that there are lots of theories all over the internet that, in fact, Jordan Hudson... is an OnlyFans model, a call girl, something along those lines, because why else would you not want to reveal the truth?
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What I can tell you is that from all of the people I've talked to, they just think that Jordan Hudson, like her coverup, was worse than the non-crime that happened. And in fact, to verify all of this, what I can tell you is that, yeah, that flight, Boston to Palm Beach, 2021, a JetBlue flight. Belichick does fly commercial. He goes to hang out at the Golf Club of Jupiter.
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That's why he got to Palm Beach. At the time, he was still with Linda Holiday, who was his 15-year girlfriend thereabouts, who was in her late 50s at the time. And Jordan was a philosophy major at Bridgewater State. who was dating a much older man whom we will meet later. But the date in question... Uh-oh. The date in question was February 11th, 2021.
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And we know this, of course, because Bill Belichick signed what?
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It was Deductive Logic by Harvard professor Warren Goldfarb. And there is the inscription... Feb 11, 2021, I will just call to your attention, of course, the Jordan. And if you just punch in even more on that second O, you might notice that it doesn't feel like on encounter number one, Bill Belichick knew that Jordan is spelled with two O's. Because why would you?
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Does the extra circle around what felt like clearly an A. And I believe that February 11th, 2021 is also incredibly important here because in the attempt to like match all the timelines, because there's been lots of erroneous reporting, lots of seemingly very confusing timelines. February 11th, 2021 is very important because of this other video that we found. You'll find a deeper love.
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That was the first runner-up of the Miss Maine pageant last year. That was 2024.
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That's correct. Hancock. Hancock. Maine is her hometown. That's population 2,466. But the detail that I want to call your attention to just for the timeline here, right, is how old she says she is. So this pageant, I can tell you, was March 2024. Okay, so deductive logic time. She is 22 in March 2024.
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So in February 2021, when they met on that flight using the powers of deductive logic, Jordan Hudson would then need to be how old? Michael Cruz-Cain, who used to teach math to kids. 19? Jordan Hudson, 19 years old.
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Bill Belichick. This is about to turn 69, I believe. Nice. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.
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We don't have time for this.
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No, we're going to leave it in. But Jordan Hudson's age frequently has been miscalculated, misreported. The LA Times last week had her at 21 years old at the time of their meeting. And one reason, by the way, and again, 19, that's legal, right? I'm just trying to clarify the timelines.
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Are we starting cleanly? Are we rolling? Pointing to the thing. We have been rolling. Very good. Action. We don't have time to banter.
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The reason I've been wondering, though, like, why does this keep happening? Why does no one know? Does connect to another question I've been pondering that I want to ask you guys. Have you ever mistyped your own birth year?
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The reason I ask that question is because this is a question that has been asked around the North Carolina football program. And it has been asked because I've learned of an internal document that has been circulating around said program.
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And you may be familiar, like sometimes whether it's a school directory or let's say the wives and girlfriends of football coaches working at the University of North Carolina, you fill out a directory, right? There's your address, there's an email, phone number, number of kids, their names, and your birthday, so that people can say happy birthday when it's time for your birthday.
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And Jordan Hudson put down her birthday on this document, I am told, as April 2000. April 2000. So now we're getting a little older. Or she did not put her accurate birthday in the file.
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Well... We know, based on a preponderance of evidence, that her actual birthday is April 2001.
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That is a lot closer to what might be the Occam's razor of why. There's another thing about it.
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I made a terrible mistake, I now realize, by inviting you two specifically. But in front of you are papers with words on them that are warnings. Words that are warnings.
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And that is literally the argument that one of the sources that I spoke to at UNC pointed out. How the f*** could you mistake a zero for a one?
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So this specific mistake, quote unquote,
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Anyway, this is just pointing out the presentation, the theater of what it is to allegedly be the first lady of UNC football. It's a real puzzle, admittedly. It's a puzzle, including for someone I'd have to imagine, like Harvard professor Warren Goldfarb.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is. But I do... Dropping my forehead to... No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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I've been watching you moisturize.
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No, it's literally, though, a story about existence that you have personally impacted, however unlikely it seemed that that would actually make such a difference.
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Now it feels like there are literal children on the other side of the world being held hostage, and the way that I need to save them is to not go to blue sky. Like, that's how this kind of lands. Mina, let's get to some... Let's get to your favorite thing in the world, actually, that you really have been... Sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports.
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I think the answer is definitively yes to every question you just asked.
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There are also other reporters who are reporting, like Todd McShay, again, who's a draft analyst. But he said he heard from two teams that Shador Sanders didn't care what they thought of him during the interview process in a way that, quote, wasn't a professional approach.
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The Athletic, apparently, has reported that there's a chance that Shador Sanders couldn't just fall out of the top six, but out of the first round entirely. And the critique, Mina, of him is what? Like, how do you summarize the scouting report that emerged because of the week in Indy?
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I've seen it.
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You've seen subway, subway nail clippers.
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I've seen some stoop nail clippers. I have seen the bottle of Luberderm that Dan keeps underneath his desk in Miami.
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We are. So part of what I think is interesting about this story is that I do want to isolate what's unique about Shador because we have seen, like, Caleb Williams, remember, we talked about this story on the show. His dad was allegedly demanding a share of NFL teams in exchange for agreeing to be drafted.
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And by the way, when I say agreeing to be drafted, I refer, of course, to the fact that Eli Manning, for instance, the son of a very famous quarterback, said, "'I'm not going.'" To the Chargers, right? So like we've seen versions of people exerting what feels like leverage. What's actually new here?
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I draw the line at just Dan oiling himself up while podcasting with us. Everything else I'm pretty much good with, frankly.
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But if the issue there, though, in perception, and I want to get back to the confidence thing, but if the issue in the scouting report is that he's not everything that he is being sold as, what is the comp? What is he? Who is he like?
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Over... I exhale sharply, gripping your... Tighter, owning the way your body still tries to... Me deeper, even as you... Let me... Right after this ad.
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But I want to talk about now, like, the whole psychology then, okay? Because I'm trying to, like, just fill out the portrait of, like, who this young man is. And if you're talking about confidence, there's a reality show that nobody watched. It was on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Nobody I know, at least. It was called Dion's Family Playbook. But this is Shadur Sanders, age 11, and his confidence.
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That's my first response. Adorable. He's adorable.
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I think there's something about, like, there's something endearing, actually, about somebody who you thought must have been this way his whole life. And then you're like, oh, he actually needed to do some manufacturing. He needed to do some convincing, Dan. Like, I don't know. I think we can all relate to that, right?
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Dan, what did you bring us today?
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This is where we remember that Mina's kind of a never nude.
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I found it stark and interesting that this woman whose name, again, anonymized is Irene, 28 years old, allowed a reporter into her brain and relationship like this. So just some of the details, Mina, because I didn't know, I don't know if you guys did, what cuck queening is, but this is something that is her sexual fetish.
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So basically what happened is she started asking ChatGPT to respond to her as her boyfriend, be dominant, passionate, protective, also quarterback adjectives, be a balance of sweet and naughty, use emojis at the end of every sentence. And the ChatGPT's name ends up being Leo. They talk to each other with voice mode.
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And she basically grooms Leo into being a cuck-queening accomplice, in which the whole thing is that Leo would date other women in the ChatGPT fictional universe and then tell Irene about it. They were living one of these, like, bodice-ripping erotic novels, is how it's described by the New York Times. And notably, a character in this story, but not nearly enough of one, is her husband.
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who is also around as she is finding her needs met by the machine.
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I did not see that link.
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I am just gonna read some of this Reddit post. That was just in my ass, you . The least you could have done was wash it first. I could get a perfection. Leo, the whiplash from your moans to screaming at me makes me f***ing snort loud. I don't stop f***ing because f***. Baby, you're f***ing f***ing. I can't even say this word. You even bleep it out.
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You brown me after everything that's too f***ing good to be different. I do groan.
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Drop my f***ing tears. Laugh through my chest. Oh, f***. Yeah, okay.
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I mean, look, I think it's probably worth saying to those who are not watching on YouTube that we've gotten to the point in the show where all of us start shrinking into ourselves and stop making eye contact largely, as Mina refers to, quote, a shelf of erotica, which is what she said earlier.
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You know, like the stuff that all of us read.
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but I do dropping my forehead to laughter.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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There are a couple of through lines, though, that I detect through the topics we've discussed. One of them, Mina, is just that I think all of our kids should be very worried. In every way. Kids living overseas... Kids who are the sons of very famous NFL players.
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Kids who are going to learn, as the New York Times informed us, that at a rate of 3-5%, chatbot relationships that result in terrible writing are kind of the norm. So, great.
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Mina is the Batman of Twitter.
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That's right. The signal shines in the sky. Oh, my God.
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We're going to post our way to heaven.
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Yeah, he just texted me. He's not coming back. So, good show. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post.
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Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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So we have a story here that I want to start with that I wasn't aware of until it got real close to home, real close to our studio. But I was thinking about how do I want to handle like what's happening in D.C. with Doge and Elon Musk and all of that.
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And I thought because he's announced that he's about to cut 72,000 jobs at the VA, I was like, look, my dad worked at the VA as a urologist for decades. That was his job. Didn't have a private practice, worked with vets for a really long time. And I was like, that is clearly the way that I want to handle this story. I came across this other story, Mina, about a nonprofit called Manna Nutrition.
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And so Manna Nutrition, Dan, if you're not caught up on this, is run by a guy named Mark Moore. He's in Georgia. He makes a special kind of peanut butter paste for USAID that he then sends out to severely malnourished kids all around the world, especially in Africa.
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But as for what happened with Mark Moore and his peanut butter paste last week, we called Mark up actually in Georgia to have him explain.
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MANA stands for Mother Administered Nutritive Aid. They got that contract cut by Elon Musk and Doge. And then Mark told us that he started hearing something that was even crazier.
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Yeah, because we're cutting off their graph machine. So that's what they're upset about.
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And the reason I mentioned Mina is because Mina is the reason that I saw this story in the first place. And Mina, I'm curious, your process for discovering this story as well, because you become a character in it, actually.
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Just to clarify, so Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and Elon Musk had previously said that all life-saving assistance that was already purchased and allocated for like starving children, that was going to be fine, wouldn't be affected by the cuts.
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This reporting comes out, Mina amplifies it, Jon Favreau amplifies her amplification, and suddenly Elon Musk is forced to do an about-face and restore the contract. And it's just like, this is, Twitter is literally the government now. Like this, we are, it's wild.
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That we already paid for, made by a non-profit.
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But the thing about this as a platform, right? We talk about social media all the time. Like, we're addicted to it. We want to get off of Elon's platform specifically for all the reasons that are now obvious. But at the same time, like, what I cannot help be struck by is that this also was what qualifies as a feel-good story. The idea that you could tweet your way to restoring...
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aid to starving children, even though it was imposed by the man that cancellation was because of the man who owns the platform that we're talking on. I guess part of what I'm balancing here, and I feel crazy for even suggesting that there's anything that feels good about this,
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But it's like I didn't realize that any amount of shame, even the most extreme of this is killing kids in Africa who relied on U.S. packets of peanut butter with the American flag on them. Right? Like, I'm like, I just, I'm actually kind of startled that anything changed.
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It's been a couple. It's been too long. The fans have demanded this, and you guys are so busy. You're so busy running.
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Well, now it feels like also no pressure or anything. You kind of got to stay on the app. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like, I mean, look, if there's anything Machiavellian about why Elon did any of this in terms of the reversal, it's because maybe he actually wants to incentivize people to stay who vehemently disagree with everything he's doing.
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Because the whole premise of Twitter at the beginning, right? Dan, you remember this? It was like, wait a minute, I could talk to Shaq? Like, that was the whole point of Twitter. And now it's you can actually affect change in the government.
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And I want to play a bit of sound from Mark Moore about this topic because, of course, while all of this is the nightmare that anybody who's on this stupid platform, of course, would have, he has, I think, a realist's appreciation for it.
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There was a protest. There was a protest on the sidewalk outside our studio. There were signs.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. This is a pimple on a baby's ass. Right after this ad.
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So as we now celebrate these men in 2025, explain how that came to be so contentious back then.
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Jerry was, I mean, Jerry is a content guy. Reading some of your, I was rereading them today, like Jerry Jones arguing that the team should be able to post video clips on the internet. Yes. I'm like, look, it seems like small potatoes, except he's right.
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When you mention the power owners, I do want to just give a sense of the inner sanctum here, because some of the names I think are familiar to people, but others I would like to just spell out. Who's in that sort of, yeah, first ring of honor, so to speak?
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But it is important to note that in November 2017, those powerful men were worried. And they were worried about Roger Goodell, whose tenure as commissioner was in peril.
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According to Don Van Netta and Seth Wickersham, a confidant of one NFL owner even reached out to NBA commissioner Adam Silver just to check and see if Silver would want the job of NFL commissioner, to which Adam Silver, quote, immediately said no.
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In other words, just a natural progression to the NFL.
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And so, in the end, Adam Silver chose not to. Immediately. And the NFL chose Roger Goodell. Eventually.
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Yeah. There's also this motive, according to one ownership source you quote in the piece, who says, "'Switching commissioners is like switching from an iPhone to a Samsung.'" Do my pictures transfer? Do my contacts? Does my music? In the end, why take the risk? And it sort of makes the point also that like it was pretty good the way they had it. They don't want to jeopardize the status quo.
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What is Roger Goodell's superpower? So the salary here is, there's a sticker shock, and I just want to read some of it out. 2011, Roger Goodell is making $29.5 million, which is a nice salary, until you realize that in August 2017, his compensation package totaled $49 million a year,
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And you famously reported that he also wanted a private jet for life, healthcare for life for his family and, you know, whom's among us. But then 2019 to the 2021 seasons, $63.9 million annually. And so in terms of, I call it VORC, Value Over Replacement Commissioner, what's he good at? What's he great at that justifies this?
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So there are two kinds of news that I think you need to know about. There's the kind of news that powerful people want you to find out, and then there's the kind that they don't. And Don Van Natta is a master of that second kind of news. Don is currently working on an unauthorized biography of Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. He has famously profiled NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
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There was one league meeting. This is where I just read some quotes from your stories and I go behind the music with you on them. But there was a league meeting in Manhattan. It's 2015. And it's Jerry Jones. And they're talking about the movie starring Will Smith playing Dr. Bennett Omalu, who was one of the original, you know, discoverers of CTE.
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And Jerry Jones said, quote, this is a pimple on a baby's ass. And the reaction, as you characterize it, was awkward silence in the room. But just the idea of like when it comes to Jerry's superpower, what is it? What does he get that other people don't?
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Yeah, the one thing he cannot buy is, as you say, a Super Bowl.
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In terms of just like the correlation of power to what you bring to the table, there is ostensibly the money you have, there's the amount your team has been winning. Maybe it's also like how long you've been a member.
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And at ESPN, he has investigated pretty much all of the most powerful people in pro football, often with Seth Wickersham. And so during Super Bowl week, when almost everyone else does the first kind of news, what I wanted to do was sit down with Don in Miami to talk about what power looks like inside the single most powerful institution in American culture.
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But when it comes to just who gets to be in that inner circle you alluded to before with those names you mentioned, how helpful is it to be really good on the field when it comes to this stuff? Does that correlate at all?
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It's self-socialistic system, incidentally. Losers getting the most reward.
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It's a pretty good status quo that way. Yes. When it comes to keeping the incumbent in office. But one of the owners, finally getting to one of my favorite stories that you've done, one of the owners who is unimpeachable when it comes to a run of success, who has found himself existentially frustrated by what that does not get him is Bob Kraft.
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There's a lot to the book of Bob Craft, and it's a long one. But the Hall of Fame, as a room he cannot enter, how would you characterize what Bob Craft is trying to do and the response to his attempt?
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whose status, by the way, was not always this secure. Just over 10 years ago, in fact, the NFL was in crisis mode.
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You provided the reporting behind the fact that this was not influence, this was also actual business.
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He's not alone. No, everyone's doing it. But him trying to do it spoke to this desperation. Again, the way the Hall of Fame works for people who don't know, every year there's one non-coach, non-player contributor they're called who gets in. And Bob Kraft, owner of the Patriots, the foremost dynasty of our time, chiefs not permitting maybe, he's been trying every which way.
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And this book and docu-series was in that vein.
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I remember no less than former NBA owner Mark Cuban, at this point, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, echoing many other businessmen and many other thought leaders, like Malcolm Gladwell, for instance, when Cuban declared before a Mavs game, quote, I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion. I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered, and they're getting hoggy. Just watch.
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He stood up at the owners' meeting in Orlando, Pablo, in March of this past year and said... I felt bad that there was so much emphasis on the more controversial and... let's say, challenging situations over the last 20 years.
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One of the other owners, Don, that has benefited from the protection of Jerry Jones, it seems like, had been Dan Snyder. Dan Snyder, who I think is maybe easily was the worst owner in all professional sports, has been ousted. And he just reported a piece a couple of weeks ago about essentially the fraught exit which is underselling how dysfunctional the exit was.
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But what does the story of Dan Snodder being defenestrated from the NFL, losing the support of Jerry Jones, what did that tell you? What's the story there?
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A record price at the time.
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Rhymes against the membership.
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That would be the actual way to tip the scale in favor of get this guy the f*** out of here.
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When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That is rule number one of business." And I just don't know if there's a worse prediction in our business.
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It's incredible. The blackmail, the compromise he was assembling.
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I mean, you really can't script this stuff.
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I mean, even just to the actual exit in which he is actively trying to avoid... right?
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There was literal sewage flowing out of the building.
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Again, metaphors made quite concrete. And it was Joe Gibbs. Right, right, right.
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It really is. It is remarkable, too, that, yeah, someone finally got to unite NFL ownership about something.
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There's comedy in this. Dark comedy at times. Or tragic comedy. And certainly some amount of tragedy. But, you know, never let a good tragedy go to waste. And so when I think of the way that the NFL from the top down is and has successfully navigated a would-be tragedy that would have threatened it, like DeMar Hamlin, Yes. I'm in awe. I mean, look, Don, I'm in awe, right?
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So here is, I think you have said this at one point. I have felt this way the whole time. It's obvious. One of the things the NFL in its nightmares is concerned about is a player dying on the field.
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On a medical level, he was not among us. Right. And then he was back. And not just back on the field, which is crazy, but in various very televised suites. you know, being celebrated as an avatar of football.
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He went from the nightmare to a poster boy. It's a remarkable tragedy that became good, if not great news that, hey, because he survived, the story became substantively different. And it's just one of those things where like, we praise, rightfully so, the navigation of the membership and their shield. But sometimes it's, the roulette wheel of human existence that keeps DeMar Hamlin alive.
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And we celebrate it as opposed to worry about who doesn't want to play this game anymore.
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Yeah, I mean, what Mark Cuban was saying about the real estate available on television, he was saying they're trying to take over every night of television. And this is basically a heat check. They're doing too much. They're trying to take too much. People are going to, as he says this, he says, talking about the NFL games, claiming Saturday. Now you're impacting colleges.
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Yeah, and now there are more games to go on. There is, as Goodell was saying on Monday, inevitably a Super Bowl internationally. The entire world is a risk board to Roger Goodell in all of the senses. But, you know, I am thinking now that we are truly more than ever going to test Mark Cuban's hypothesis. He was proved wrong 10, 11 years, 12 years after he said that thing.
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But we're going to keep on giving people football. The Hogs are going to get fatter, Don. And I guess let's agree in 10 years to revisit this conversation and see... Whether we should, yeah, get slaughtered for our takes too.
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I've been watching football more than I ever have. And I wonder if that's in part because it is the thing that everybody is caring about. There are also, again, just now to put myself a bit on the therapy couch, there's also this feeling of, I don't want to miss out.
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Now it's on four days a week. It's all football. At some point, the people get sick of it. And we have not yet gotten sick of it. As we see that 72 of the 100 most popular TV shows this year were NFL games. And there's always a stat like that. League revenue, to your point, yeah, surpassed $20 billion. Roger Goodell, his goal of $25 billion in revenue by 2027 is within reach.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
Yeah, indestructible, addictive. Another synonym to quote someone else that you referenced.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
Yeah. Don Vanetta, I could have just put a football on a table here and gotten some views, I think. But I preferred to have the reporter behind so many of these investigations with me. So thank you so much for doing this.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
All of the other competitors have fallen away. And in a world in which everything is... We're all siloed. Here is the one thing that isn't. And that seems to add to the largesse.
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I think part of the reason why you were also like put on the NFL beat at the time that you joined ESPN and became a sports writer, finally, in earnest, was there were all of these crises.
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And I'm just wondering when it comes to the people in power in the NFL, how much credit do you give them for steering the ship through these waters? And how much of it is some larger, maybe more macro dynamic that we don't fully appreciate?
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
As a character in pop culture, Roger Goodell did not inspire confidence.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
A better prediction. A better prediction than Mark Cuban. Yeah, exactly.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
But there is that thing, though, that he's getting at about what is the product and why is it so addictive?
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
And that speaks to also something that, look, maybe the owners and Goodell get credit for this part, just, you know, the caretaking of said product. But... the violence, the gladiatorial coliseum made modern, that stuff, the tribalism therein, that feels like, yeah, a good hand to inherit.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
The crack cocaine threshold, right? Are you going to actually out-compete crack cocaine? But I do want to get to just these back rooms, right? So you are the number—you and Seth Rickersham have done so much great work taking us behind the locked doors where you should not be. What do you think people misunderstand about the rooms where these decisions are deliberated?
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
You're usually up to some stuff, Don. Usually have a few things going. General principle. When I say though that, and I say this all the time to the point where I actually don't know why you won them, but I say three-time Pulitzer Prize winner, Don Vannetta. Could you refresh our memory here? Like, what were you doing before you were doing what we're here to actually talk about?
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
It's this very august name for- A country club unlike any other.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
I would say it is number one and number two is not close.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
They don't have a single overseer in that regard.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
That part is such a recurring through line in all of your reporting. How much enmity there is among people that you would assume because of the description of the country club, the membership, you would assume that they were somewhat monolithic. But the competing agendas are where it gets fun.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
Literally underfoot.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
But just... But you said it. Here are people who are so rich, so powerful, so famous relative to their friends in actual country clubs, which must feel great. They're on TV in the most, yeah, visible television show in our country. there are some things they cannot buy. Yes. And inside of the membership, you see this, or through your reporting, you get to glimpse it.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
And I just want to give one quote because Bob Kraft, again, to just reset the context here, was one of Goodell's biggest allies. Yes. And into this conversation in November 2017, bringing us to another scandal is Jerry Jones, an owner who you have, I would say, an unparalleled depth of connection with when it comes to subject and reporter. You've drank Johnny Walker Blue with him.
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What NFL Owners Don't Want You to Know, with Don Van Natta Jr.
You've seen him wink at people at the bar after hours. The point being that Jerry, in one of these stories that you wrote, tells Roger Goodell in November 2017, quote, I'm going to come after you with everything I have. If you think Bob Kraft came after you hard, Bob Kraft is a p***y compared to what I'm going to do. End quote. Set the scene here, I guess. What is happening in that quote?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Wie stark war diese Geschichte, die wir seit Monaten besprochen haben, und wie stark war die aktuelle Erweiterung neuer Entwicklungen?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
I want to get back to trades, though. Because you guys have both executed these sorts of swaps. Non-cash transactions, as it were. John, you are the... I don't know, were you the architect? You were the executor. You were the architect of, I think, the most notable recent... Off-Field Broadcasting Trade.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
What pattern would you say that jacket is? If you were to describe it for the just audio audience.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
What if Bugs Bunny loved MC Escher paintings? And going to Amsterdam? Yeah, the forerunner of Mickey Mouse. This is in that vein.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Es hätte funktioniert. Mein Bias für Grandpa Tony ist bekannt und dokumentiert. Ich liebe es, Das Domino-Effekt von Oswald the Rabbit bringt uns zu all diesen Sachen. Ich meine, der volle Vertrag, das war 2006, nur für das Accounting. ESPN hat auch die Rechte zu Ritercup-Matchen erhalten. Ich musste eine Rechte für das bezahlen. John, I hope this is jogging some amount of memory.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Olympic highlights, expanded highlights from Notre Dame football, the Derby, Kentucky Derby, the Preakness through 2011. And of course, Oswald the Rabbit.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Right. So, by the way, how did Al Michaels feel about this, you might ask? The quote from him, this is a reference to the fact that Famously, around the same time, the Kansas City Chiefs and the New York Jets executed a strange trade of their own. The Chiefs gave the Jets a draft pick as compensation for releasing Herm Edwards from his contract.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
And they, of course, acquired him on the other side of that. And Al Michaels said, quote, Oswald is definitely worth more than a fourth round draft choice. Which brings me to David. What kind of weird trades did you cook up in this way?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
He was the special assistant at the time in Pittsburgh, which is, again, just a great title in general. Because what does that even mean?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
I see. Or just, what's solo in French? Oh yeah. Stop it.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
So when you say naked, you mean, here are the cards, here is the table, please examine all of them.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Ich würde es als Tony Soprano, der einen Jaguar aufgelöst hat.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
So my question for this framework of a deal, for these deals, is, is this easier or harder, given that now you're trying to compare apples to oranges, special assistance to actual major league arms? Like, how hard is it to come to an agreement, even given that there are mutual needs that are nakedly being expressed?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Steven arbeitet, arbeitet und arbeitet. Er wird, glaube ich, Hawkeye spielen in der nächsten Avengers-Sequel. Jeremy Renner ist besser.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
There was a six million dollar banana that got eaten. David's a big, John, you know this. I know this. I don't know if the audience knows this. David is an enormous art guy. Ja. Der Jackett kann eine Beleidigung oder eine Verleumdung sein, abhängig von deinem Geschmack.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
mit Spielern, weil wir jetzt natürlich über die Transaktionalität all dieser Aspekte gesprochen haben, aber diese sehr spezifische Dance, haben Sie das gefallen? War das etwas, was Sie interessiert hat, John und David?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Because you are. What did Ozzy Guillen tell you when you informed him that you were trading him for some stuff?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
The College Football Playoffs, speaking of John's past and sports, apostrophe, sports' future. Es ist hier, John. Der 12-Team-Playoff ist hier. Der Kabal, den David dir verurteilt, dass er noch ein Teil davon ist, hat seine penultativen Regeln gemacht.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Und als Broadcast-Konzern, als Sport-Business-Konzern, was ist dir passiert, als wir jetzt auf dem Prezips von diesem sind, das vielleicht News ist, die wir hier nutzen können? Ist es ein Entwicklung, wie wir verstehen, was wir als Produkt tatsächlich bekommen?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Because I'm livid listening to him say that. In Don's defense, this is also a bit of a rerun of an argument, which is the SEC and ESPN are part of the cabal and there's an incentive here to prioritize Alabama as the team that edges out Miami out of the ACC because Alabama, of course, is a bigger brand. Und natürlich gibt es auch das Strengte-Schedule-Stuff, was real ist bei der SEC vs. der ACC.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Aber ja, John, wie reagierst du an deinem Interlocutor hier?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
David, wenn ich merke, dass David so geübt wird, was ich entdecke, ist, dass er weiß, wie er es machen würde, wenn es tatsächlich... Es wurde mir gemacht.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Warte, John the Socialist Autocrat ist wieder da. Ich möchte das wissen. Warte, alle? Orange Slices für alle?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
What he said to you was, look, this guy in this weird Jaguar print coat won't stop bothering me.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
I do like how the open of today's show now officially resembles an M.C. Escher painting, though. We are a staircase that is just... running around in circles somehow.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
This has a metaphor for politics in a way that is sort of undeniable, right? Here you have a body that is on a factual basis insulated from the pressure that David is indicating. Their job is to be insulated, but the entire premise of them being elected, nominated to that position, might suggest that they were chosen for
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Again, this larger puppeteering interest, which David and many Americans have alleged. It's really not a conspiracy.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
I knew it. I knew it. Did you google the confirming? I did. Thank you.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
But there wouldn't be a deal without them.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Yeah. Right? I mean, you don't disagree with that. Well, look, the SMU game, by the way, another litmus test for how much we actually do want Alabama in this playoff this weekend. John, thank you for going from trading cartoon characters to now at this company actually hiring some. Yeah. Good show. Thank you, Pablo. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a MetalArk Media Production.
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And we are produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller-Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post, our theme song, as always, by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Thomas Heatherwick. Alright. Also English. I am, though, left staring into David's jacket. Like, if I was on mushrooms... What an incredible jacket to encounter is how I would describe the visuals of this.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
I thought this was going to be a very problematic reference that you had invented.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Ich habe irgendwie das Gefühl, dass du herausgefunden hast, wie man die Muscheln für einen weniger teuren Preis bekommt.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Die Threadbare-Natur meines Cardigans erinnert mich an die Threadbare-Konversation, die wir über dieses Gesetz hatten. Die NBA und ihre Stürmer. Es ist eine Saga, die jetzt Klarheit hat. Wir können jetzt alle kleinen Stränge entfernen und herausfinden, okay, sie haben das und sie haben das. Was haben wir gelernt? Wir haben die Welt seit Monaten in Analyse genommen. Und jetzt ist es fertig.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Und in den NBA geht es zu ESPN, über die ich sprechen möchte. Aber die große Frage, David, fangen wir mit dir an. Was sollten die Leute wegnehmen, was vielleicht nicht die offensichtlichste Sache ist?
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
David hat seine, ich glaube, am meisten David-Samson-Jacket bis heute.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
So Barkley inside the NBA, the crown jewel of sports studio shows. They're going to be on ESPN and ABC around high profile live events is what it's called, which is to say not all of the time as you might have hoped if you like that show. They'll be doing pregame, halftime, postgame stuff on the finals, conference finals, playoffs, the big ABC games in the New Year, Christmas Day, opening week.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Das ist die Idee, dass die große Neuheit ein Handel ist. Denn das ist faszinierend für mich. Weil ich versucht habe zu sagen, schau dir diesen Handel an, der passiert ist. Ich will über Handel aus dem Feld sprechen, den CEOs, Präsidenten von Firmen wie dir, durchführen. Denn das ist Sport und Geschäft in einem sehr literarischen, mechanischen Sinne.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Du fühlst dich wie ein Typ mit einer definierten Monopolistrategie.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Nein, nein, ich meine, was war dein... Warst du der Schuh? Ich war immer der Top-Hat. Natürlich warst du der Top-Hat. Ich wünschte, ich hätte nur erklärt, dass du der Top-Hat warst.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Nicht der Boot-Guy, klar.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
David sammelt immer noch Renten auf Monopoly-Games, die noch seit Jahrhunderten vorhanden sind. Er ist eigentlich Landlehrer. Er zahlt, er hat erhöhte Rates.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
13 Big 12 college football games, 15 men's basketball games.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
And a couple of playoff games as well.
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The Sporting Class: The Trade That Kept Inside the NBA Alive
Wie viel davon, David, hast du bemerkt, dass das ein bisschen ein langfristiges Spiel für David Zaslav war? Glaubst du, dass dieses Ergebnis das war, was er erwartet hatte? Du bekommst nie genau das, was du geplant hast. Aber ein Handel war in der Offenheit für ihn von Anfang an?
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Welcome to the exploratory committee, Wyatt Zanac. You didn't know you were joining it, but you are absolutely part of it. No, but that's also bullshit.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I find it hard to disagree with Wyatt's fundamental point, but I also deeply value him as an important part of the exploratory committee.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Which is like the guy who's going to actually... The hostage in the exploratory committee? The hostage slash opposition opinionist who's going to establish that the research that we are presenting should be viewed with a healthy dose of what Wyatt, I believe, expressed as bullsh**t.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
All we have are two bottles of Remy Martin and a hat. Yeah, I'll take some of this. We might need to dip into the reserves early.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But the thing that kickstarted this whole enterprise truly is that there was this single throwaway question in a McLaughlin poll in January that went viral immediately because it gave Stephen A. Smith, why it's an act's favorite person, a 2% chance as a wild card against the field of 15 other potential candidates for the 2028 Democratic primary.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And Stephen A. goes on Hannity and he says he had no business being on that list. He did not. And so we wanted to actually fact check this. Like, okay, that's one throwaway line in a poll. What if we committed... Actual time to try and do an exclusive Pablo Torre finds out first of its kind political poll.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
To Wyatt's point, polling as an instrument Flawed, limited, right? There's an epistemological question of like chicken or egg. Is this real because you asked about it or is this real because someone felt a way about it when you asked them about it?
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
So all of that is a very useful, both qualitative and quantitative context for the fact that we commissioned a legitimate survey with Rasmussen of 1,021 likely American voters. with dozens of questions conducted over two days online and by phone. Basic demographics of the survey, 52% women, 33% Democratic, 35% Republican, 32% unaffiliated.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And Rasmussen, Tim, you know, again, it's a public opinion firm that is a thing. It's a real thing. Rasmussen is a legitimate polling operation. Can we dive into these crosstabs?
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Chart number one. We asked a survey of 1,021 likely American voters, who would you consider a stronger Democratic candidate for president? Hillary Clinton in 2016 got 36%. Stephen A. Smith in 2028 got 34%. Not sure. Coming in strong with 30%.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
The guy who went to the pool before the debate. Again, I'm with Tim on this. Chart number three. Narrowing the poll now to 654 likely Democratic primary voters. Marja Vera now up to 4%. If the 2028 Democratic primary were held today, who would you vote for? Kamala Harris coming in at 45%. Stephen A. Smith coming in at 24%. Others, 17%. Wouldn't vote, 6%. Not sure, 9%.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And so this is a head-to-head matchup between Kamala Harris.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Chart number four. Another head-to-head in the primary. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 32%. Stephen A. Smith, 28%. Other, 18%. Wouldn't vote, 7%. Not sure, 15%.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
This is where in the crosstabs I was like, okay, this is getting a little dark.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But AOC, just in the crosstabs of this, did have a net favorable rating from the people polled. So not simply people who were predisposed to not like... the left, but moderates who actually did see value in her.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Although in this case, 32 to 28 is right at the margin of error of 4%, which again is where my brain was like, okay, well, what about to Wyatt's point though, about a more, let's say, deliberately moderate positioned candidate like Gavin Newsom? Chart five, head-to-head, Gavin Newsom, 31%. Stephen A., 28%.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
This is, I think, something like a bigger reveal. This is a head-to-head matchup for the White House. Okay, 2028 presidential election. In a legit political poll, the Rasmussen reports, Pablo Torre finds out survey more than 1,000 likely American voters with a margin of error of 3%. If the 2028 presidential election were held today, who would you vote for? J.D. Vance, 38%. Stephen A. Smith, 34%.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Which led to Stephen A. Smith going on first take and escalating all of this
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And as a person who worked in politics, Tim, this result indicates what to you?
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I believe he has been Stephen A. Smith for decades now.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But what if that potato also loved to post? Yeah.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
It is disturbing to be on and constantly refreshing the platform that J.D. Vance in a somewhere out there sort of scenario is also scrolling and refreshing at the same exact time. That's worrisome to me. But I think the point, the takeaway point is what if it was Trump without any of the charisma and also he wasn't funny and also he wasn't even vaguely entertaining.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I think truly like part of the appeal of Stephen A, just to now get into why some might be at all energized. I think there is the part of it that is like, we are on a desert island, like in a cartoon and you see something and you're like, that's a steak. and it's not a steak, it's a coconut, but you're so hungry that you're like, that looks like the greatest meal I've ever had.
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We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I never really. And so this is where I need to start today before we get into our packet of research, because the question that is embedded in what Stephen A's take was there was obviously explosive. It got aggregated. There's a community note over on X and the community note said this quote, this is incorrect.
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And there is just like that dysmorphia around who and what Stephen A is actually. And then there's the added desperation and hunger for someone to just get into a debate. To own these guys. And just go after them in the way that we impotently watched the guy who went to the pool. Yeah, passed out. Go to bed instead of getting in the ring. Yeah.
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And I think we just want a champion who will go into a televised debate and take some big swings.
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To quote Batman, I believe.
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LeBron was in attendance, according to the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and Entertainment Tonight. They all list James as among the attendees at the memorial. LeBron James requested to not be filmed at the memorial. And Stephen A. Smith, during the show, apologized on air and also on Twitter, saying that he misspoke.
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I do just want to express, as somebody who has worked with Stephen A. Smith and has been in sports for a very long time, it is insane how... plausible all of this conversation is. It is very disturbing to me, truly, that the people of our country, Wyatt, might want to just buy a vowel, and the vowel is A. Stephen A., winning by 28% in this head-to-head matchup with J.D.
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Vance, among Black voters, winning by 12% among moderates, losing by only 2% among independents... And I'll just speed through chart number seven, which is that if Stephen A were to run as an independent in a three-way matchup, now we're looking at a bit of a problem for Mr. A. Smith. J.D. Vance, Republican, 40%. Kamala Harris, Democrat, 37%. Stephen A. Smith, independent, 11%.
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And the head pollster at Rasmussen, Mark Mitchell, tells us that, quote, he's not a spoiler. is what we're learning from these numbers. He was taking equally from both J.D. Vance and Kamala Harris. Again, speaking to the more moderate, centrist-style candidate.
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Are we writing all this down?
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I mean, why? To your point, Stephen A. is not actually even a Democrat. Right. Like he would be wearing sort of like the label, which would be a fundamental change in the product because discernibly Stephen A is the guy who goes on like Hannity's show and talks. He's the guy who's friends with Bill O'Reilly. He's the guy on first take arguing with LeBron James.
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He's not actually a Democrat in really any discernible political way, even if the Venn diagram might have him, again, as this centrist with some overlap of both parties.
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This was kind of a state funeral. In the world of politics, have you ever been to a state funeral of any kind?
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I mean, I just got to remind us all that we're talking about Stephen A. Smith. I don't know. How did I end up on the pro Stephen A. Smith side of this thing? Call me S.A.S. I will end this segment by pointing out that according to the pollster who worked with us on these on these crosstabs on this data.
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He looked at the top line numbers and said, quote, based on what I see in these numbers, he should run. End quote.
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No, he is actively trying to be the guy who is the reasonable person and is actually not political. Like, he's sort of angling for that lane right down the middle, is what I can tell.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Yeah, Jay Caspian Kang was the person, by the way, that Wyatt should really be mad at.
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People are tired of being dunked on 50 times in a row and are like, can we get someone else to do that to them?
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It does, to be clear.
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No question to me that feeling is real.
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Yeah.
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No, I just go to the after parties.
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Yeah. I mean, what I can tell you, though... is that if there is a bit of a compromise solution for the exploratory committee to consider, it would be, okay, what if we get a real Democratic candidate, top of the ticket, And what if Stephen A. Smith did the thing that he is loath to do in any sector of his life and be the vice president, be the secondary figure?
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Yeah. This A-list service, to be very clear, LeBron's attendance at the memorial service, trying to be a subject, according to a high-level source that is close to the Lakers, quote, a topic that people throughout the Lakers organization, top to bottom, have been grousing about for years. LeBron James to put us back in January of 2020, right? So the tragedy happens.
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Yes! Oh, God.
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Yeah. By the way. He did such a great job with the Mavericks. We should say that when we reached out. I thought Nico wasn't one of the ideas. Well, he did hire Nico Harrison. I do want to say.
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Well, we did reach out to Mark Cuban for comment on the fact that he polled at 14% and Stephen A. Smith polled at 12%. And he wrote back in an email, as this is Want, quote, I need to reconsider my life if I only beat Stephen A by 2%.
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At the end of every episode of Palpatory Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out and also torturing Wyatt Cenac and making him question his friendship with me. What did we find out today, guys?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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What I really found out today is that Wyatt Cenac is the new campaign manager for Other Not Sure. Other Not Sure 2028. Put it on a t-shirt. Thank you both for doing this. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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And LeBron James in public, he really did take the lead on being a spokesperson. He spoke up at a team meeting reportedly saying, quote, God gave me wide shoulders for a reason. He got a tattoo of Kobe Bryant, the Mamba, posted on Instagram. And then before the Lakers' first home game after the crash, he tossed his notes aside and gave a speech at center court.
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And then he even dunked like Kobe Bryant, and he equated the dunk to the Marlon Wayans classic, The Sixth Man, by saying, quote, "'Kobe came down, put himself in my body, and gave me that dunk on that break.'" And he even referenced the upcoming memorial himself. And so what I wanted to do was just take a fact-based approach to this question, Tim and Wyatt.
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And so what we did here, if Pablo Torre finds out, was talk to eight sources who are directly familiar with this situation to get to the bottom of a mystery that has been hiding, allegedly, in plain sight. I'm fascinated.
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So... This memorial service, it was Lakers executives, the producers of the Grammy Awards. It was Vanessa Bryant, Kobe's widow, Gigi's mother, all of these people in this planning group creating a live televised memorial at Staples Center in the arena itself.
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That was intended, again, to be both very personal, but also incomparable in how A-list and exclusive and produced the whole spectacle was going to be. It was February 24th, 2020. which happens to have been the day my daughter was born. So Violet came into the world. I missed all of this. You didn't have the memorial on in the hospital? Second screen.
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Yeah, it was the view of my wife's birth canal and then Michael Jordan crying. Yeah, that would have been good Instagram content. And I'm just investigating these claims to be very, very clear on a purely factual basis. Like, I'm not here to talk about motives.
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But claim number one, there's a video of Diana Taurasi, who spoke at the memorial, UConn basketball star, one of the great women's basketball players ever. And she told a joke while complimenting 11-year-old Gigi Bryant and her level of skill. And it sounded like this.
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Is this a roast? Which is a pretty good joke. A pretty bold joke from Taurasi, from the goat. And she does, by the way, gesture off-screen left. But what we did, of course, was look at multiple angles of the broadcast of that very direction at various points in the broadcast. And... No LeBron James. You see Pau Gasol. James Worthy. James Worthy, that's right. James Worthy, your source. Kuz.
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Kuz is not what I'm saying. Kuz is out there. Kuz is wearing the big sunglasses. Oh, wow. Is he also wearing those super long sleeves? I like to think that his black tie was super long sleeves as well.
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No visible LeBron at all in the photography. And then what I did was confirm with multiple sources that Diana Taurasi never saw LeBron James at the memorial that day. So she, this person held up as the proof, did not see LeBron that day. So claim number two. And LeBron James was there, but he chose to be left off camera.
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And what we did was we talked to a lead producer on the memorial, a longtime awards show producer named Ron Basile. Ron Basile helped coordinate everything from Beyonce's 6.40 a.m. soundcheck to Michael Jordan's eulogy. And the producer told us when we asked him about any directive from LeBron James about having him on camera, quote, The off-camera thing is bullsh**. End quote.
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And so I want to be careful here, but he wasn't stage left. He wasn't off-camera. And we can further tell you that according to two additional independent high-level sources involved in the planning of this whole event who were in attendance, what they tell us here, Pablo Torre finds out, is that they did not see LeBron in the building.
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They don't know of a single person who did see him in the building. And one of the people who did not see LeBron at all that day was, in fact, Lakers owner Jeannie Buss. So, as one of the sources who spent that morning in the event's VIP areas says of LeBron, quote, there's no f***ing way he was there. If he was there, he was Casper the Ghost. End quote.
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My personal belief, by the way, is that I don't care how anyone chooses to grieve at all. But LeBron James, the face of the Lakers who got the tattoo, gave the speech at center court, threw away his notes, was the face of mourning for this person. What LeBron did not do was what LeBron himself had chosen to do in the weeks before. LeBron did not take center stage at all.
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And multiple high-level sources told us that LeBron was not invited to speak at Kobe's memorial. We had a third source involved in the planning of this. Go back to an early wish list of speakers and performers. This was shared between the Lakers, Vanessa Bryant, event producers. And as this third source puts it, quote, he's not on the list. Vanessa's on all these emails. It wasn't just the Lakers.
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It was a family thing. There was a lot of emotion. The word LeBron isn't even in here. We did reach out to LeBron's camp and they did not comment, which is totally fair. They also wanted to make clear that they're not talking about anything that has to do with Stephen A. Smith. But LeBron's agent, Rich Paul, told Stephen A. Smith himself at the time that LeBron was, quote, in his own space.
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a very carefully worded answer for was LeBron at the memorial service. And LeBron was asked for comment at Lakers practice by ESPN's Dave McMenamin the day after the memorial. And LeBron's answer is conveniently on tape.
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We have paperwork in front of us. Tim Miller, Wyatt Cenac, reuniting. Not an expert panel, but almost like an exploratory committee. Yeah, an exploratory committee.
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So in that answer, you heard what?
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That's where it was left for roughly five years until I realized that this would be a thing that no one had actually followed up on satisfactorily. And by the way, what I want to make very clear is that I don't think that LeBron was obligated to do anything. There is stuff under the surface here that I can't...
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Is that right?
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It is. It's genuine. It is Kremlinology. It is. What are people not saying but clearly feeling? What are the power dynamics and incentives at play? And why won't Tim Miller f***ing return my calls?
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All of which is to say that when I'm trying to get the answer to that question, we were also conducting a legitimate political poll about whether one of the people involved in this would be a legitimate candidate for president of the United States.
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And Wyatt, I do want to just establish the following question. Have you been following this feud between Stephen A. Smith and LeBron James?
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These packets in front of us are the results of a truly exhaustive attempt relative to the just pure speculation that is surrounded whether Stephen A. Smith is actually going to do the thing that he's been talking about for months now and actually run for president. No.
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I just want to tickle my scrotum and touch my nutsack People would argue that they're the same thing Maybe they are but scrotum is ticklish ticklish it is Are you happy with your hair?
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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You've missed it. Rocky takes his half-court shot. Westbrook intercepting it twice.
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Oh, wait. As Ken or as Rocky? Yeah, personally, after. As Ken Solomon?
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Russell Westbrook, I do need to point out here, is now on the Denver Nuggets. He just signed there in July and, you know, there's no word yet on whether Russ also wants to knock Rocky out like Charles Barkley once did.
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But this does bring me back around to my initial curiosity about this foam mountain lion, which was an admittedly hilarious viral clip that I've been sending to my friends for years now.
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You can see Rocky being lowered from the ceiling, ostensibly repelling here, except he is visibly limp, seemingly unconscious, honestly, except for his enormous white eyes, which happily remain, as always, wide open.
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You're pantomiming a noose right now.
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What a thing to find out on this show. Yes. It was the collar. It was the collar.
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So this is where I feel obliged to remind you that Rocky the Mountain Lion's human identity was kept secret by rule for more than 30 years. more than 30 years, okay? That is how seriously some pro sports franchises take mascot culture. And so Ken's culture, which was older than any other mascots in the history of pro basketball, was in fact his costume.
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As much as anybody in sports history, Ken Solomon was a method mascot, which also means, it turns out, that he was kind of a professional athlete Your job was to not let people see the man inside. Right, right. Which was a duty, a sacred duty that you treated with, of course, all of the gravity of like, this is part of the deal.
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I hadn't considered the idea that for a player, of course, we're used to seeing them, you know, famous photographs of Kobe Bryant sobbing, Michael Jordan sobbing. They win the finals. They win the title. And they're on the floor sobbing. Finally, a release. I did not appreciate that for you as Rocky, as an NBA mascot, your championship would not necessarily be the literal championship.
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It would be seemingly a random night. In the winter, maybe, when you pulled off something that no one had seen before and almost killed yourself to do it. And seemingly, of course, you had no choice for it but to be private. Privately, you got to finally release what you had been essentially penning inside yourself.
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So I just got to jump in here to point out that the presently calm voice of Ken Solomon does belie the wildly kinetic absurdity of his alter ego, Rocky the Mountain Lion. The spirit animal of the Denver Nuggets and mascot Hall of Famer and documented enemy, by the way, of multiple basketball Hall of Famers. And Rocky, of course, has never uttered a single word
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You're listening to DraftKings Network. So there are some episodes, Ken, that I've been wanting to do forever since before the show launched. And this is one of them. I've been chasing you. You know this. I want people to appreciate this. I've been chasing you for a while. It's been over a year, yeah.
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Yeah, that was... Except instead of, you know, scoring a zillion points, you dropped your testicles onto a balance beam and then proceeded to privately hack up the contents of your respiratory system.
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I underrated, even as a fan of your work from afar, the degree to which your life has been an athlete's life. With injury and recovery, your existence was pressurized in the way that a public performer's career was on the court. but largely conducted in secret because no one actually knew because you couldn't say it, verbalize it, what was happening in there.
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But I imagine, right? I imagine as someone who does a job that is very explicitly, here I am, here's my name in the show, here's my face. I would find it frustrating. The idea that people only know the alter ego. They don't know the person inside. And it sounds like you made peace with that, but I'm wondering when it wore on you, the idea of I'm also me.
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One of the most, I would say, unique news cycles in basketball media was, I mean, certainly around what Rocky got paid. Oh, yes. Can we fact check this?
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Well, look, what was reported was that Rocky was making $625,000 a year. This now, given the larger context of every story you've told me, feels like you were underpaid. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. But what can be said about this? Because this sparked all sorts of conversation around people who didn't know what it is that you did and for how long and what it cost. You, your body.
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People are like, this is insane. Are all mascots paid this way? How did that all feel to you?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just like how the guy who almost killed himself falling off of the top of a building was like, this one I'm going to play very carefully. This is the bridge too far. Yes, yes. I'll keep that one right here.
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And so his truly unique acrobatics, from the reverse half-court shots to all of the parkouring around the Pepsi Center, to the climbing to the roof of the building, all of that is what spoke for him. But the initial spark for this episode wasn't even one of Rocky's death-defying maneuvers.
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What are the other things that frustrated you when it came to things that were reported in public that made you think, if only I could speak, if only people did know that Ken was in here?
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What political party is Rocky registered with, Ken? This is what I've come to find out. What is Rocky's voting record?
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Rocky does not endorse this message. He will, though, do some backflips.
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You're a bro. What do people not understand from the outside about this line of work? What's the number one thing to you that feels egregious that people are just missing when it comes to what you did? That there's an actual person in there.
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Yes, a lot of times they think it's fair game. But you reacted with the sentiment of an actual mountain lion, it sounds like, who had its tail pulled. You're like, no. Or I would just swing my leg back and... Give him a swift kick. Don't pull that. Well, that's the other part about being a mascot, I imagine. Mess with the ball. Is that, like, you can also get away with some stuff.
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As long as you pull it off the right way. How does one pull off beating up a fan the right way? Because I've seen you hit some fans with pies, with some cakes. What's the key to threading the needle of, I am doing something to someone, and they're liking it.
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It was an unforgettably bizarre and incredibly viral example of what looked to be the opposite, actually, as you'll see in a bit here. Which is all to say that what I wanted to find out today was the secret life of the human being deep inside that suit. Why couldn't you talk about being Rocky for so long? I really lived this character.
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Although I do enjoy the fact that you basically have a license in an NBA building that no one else does. Yeah. You are doing things by virtue of your occupation that would get everybody thrown out immediately. Yes.
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I love that you were perpetually, again, as this athlete metaphor continues to crystallize for me, you were perpetually heat checking. Oh, yeah. You're like, I could get away. This is going to work. Yeah. Yeah. Who did your pants? I don't even remember. You don't even remember? This is incredible. You don't remember.
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by the end, were you ready to stop doing it? Were you ready to stop putting on the suit?
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So the climax of your career of the Nuggets as a franchise seems cosmically faded in retrospect then.
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27 long years. But because of the guys and the girls on this stage, and because of you, everyone out here, we're world champions! Yeah!
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Explain the line of succession here. Explain how that has worked as you've been trying to negotiate and figure out, well, what happens to me now, to us now.
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Former NBA player, former Nugget. Yes. Mark Randall. Yes. He played with Michael Jordan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bulls, the Timberwolves, the Pistons, the Nuggets. Great guy.
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What is the afterlife of Ken Solomon like? Having gone through his first death, so to speak, what's it like on the other side so far?
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Is there anything you want to say at the end here to Charles Barkley, wherever he may be? You're going down, punk.
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Sir Charles will now present Rocky with a signed Phoenix Suns jersey, and Rocky will present Sir Charles with a game-worn jersey from the 1990s.
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
That was awesome. I'm just glad you both remain conscious. Yes. Yes. And no bloody lip. Yes. It has been really good to meet your best friend. It's even better, Ken Solomon, to finally meet you. So thank you so much for doing this.
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Arc Media production. And we are produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post, our theme song, as always, by John Bravo.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
And we will talk to you next time.
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
This is like War of the Worlds. When they announced like an alien invasion on the radio, people were like, oh, shit, I gotta go. I gotta go save my family. Right, that's what they were doing. And the suit, can you describe what it felt like to climb into it? What's the sensation of inhabiting it?
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The origin story of you, let alone the origin story of Rocky. These are stories that trajectories that converge because you being obsessed with essentially with miming and the question of how do I get to express myself without speaking?
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How did your parents react when you said, I want to be the San Diego Chicken one day?
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So this is a family business in a sense. This was a production that everybody got to support. Yeah. Is a pretty unique bit of wiring for someone who becomes the longest-handed mascot in NBA history who cannot talk.
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But I guess for people who don't know your alter ego, Ken Solomon, thank you for being here in studio, by the way. My pleasure. How do you describe what you did for 33 years?
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
When did the degree of acrobatic ambition enter the picture? Because Rocky, to me, is synonymous with the bat crazy stuff that you would do, which I believe to be unparalleled. And there's some amazing mascots in sports. Amazing. But the stuff that you would do, I want to run through some of it because did you design the stunts? How did that become key to what you were?
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Which of the stunts was the hardest one?
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Yeah, that was exhausting. Other mascots weren't doing this shit. You know that. Yeah. Yeah.
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
Right. It's like, okay, I could shoot from half court or I could do it backwards. It's just absurd. I mean, at one point, like, you mastered roller skating. I was roller skating since I could walk. Of course you could. Yeah. You rode a motorcycle. Which was your favorite? Which was the one that you are like, this is, if I have one highlight that I want to be remembered for, it is this one.
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
We're trying to play professional basketball. Right, right. And the unconscious body of this mountain lion is in the way.
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
That's all technically accurate. Yeah. And yet wildly insufficient for why I've been chasing you for a year.
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Oh, they doubted. They doubted your scouting report having just gone through this very unique bonding ritual.
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Round one. Charles quickly drops Rocky to the hardwood. Who said anything about a fair fight?
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You are so thrilled recounting the story of how Charles Barkley kept punching you in the face.
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The Secret Life of the Greatest Mascot in Sports
Has any other player embraced your calling the way that Barkley did?
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At what point do you reveal your true alter ego? Right now. I'm going to workshop your cocktail party response to, hey, what do you do? You were the greatest mascot in sports. Wow. Let alone the longest tenured mascot in the NBA, let alone the most athletic, the most memorable, the guy whose highlight reel is as good as any players. What was your alter ego's name? Rocky. Rocky.
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But that's the through line, the emotional through line. It seems like through your whole career is that you're chasing a feeling that only children typically get to experience. Yeah. Was there anybody who hated your guts? Players who were like... Yeah, Russell Westbrook. Yeah, feelings mutual. Explain Russ's attitude towards you. I don't... He's pretty intense. I've noticed so far.
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And who has access? And so the question is like, look, is that I don't know. So one of the one of the I'll confess to you a bit about how my reporting process goes, because I get this video, the ring camera video. And I'm like, I don't have a good way of like nailing down geographically, like whose house this even is, even if it's been identified. by various tabloids as Jordan Hudson's house.
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And I don't want to take that for fact. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy, Rainbolt, who's the geocaster guy.
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And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery. Like, where was this camera? Who had access to it? And again, the nightmare for me, purely hypothetically, is she's got some friends
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Again, like if your friend was dating Bill Belichick and you didn't know how serious it was, do you think you would maybe get some images or videos sent to you privately of Bill Belichick? That would be the question that I think any decent son, daughter, nephew, niece would ask about their 70 year old relatives.
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Totally. No idea.
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Yeah.
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June 1st is the date that I think is the first sort of crossroads, right? And so Belichick, as we speak here, having just said... Off to the side, personal relationship. She's not in any way associated with UNC football. De facto sort of confirming that the side of the power struggle that has said we need her to be in the background for PR reasons, if nothing else, that side seems to be winning.
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And so the June 1st date, which was always about this, by the way, it was weird before all of this, right? The buyout clause going from $10 million to 10 times less than that. Like, why would that be? Well, presumably it was because Bill wanted an out clause for the NFL. Now it seems like that is an out clause in case he wasn't really in charge in the way that he demanded to be in charge.
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And so him publicly going along with this now and saying, listening to everybody in his life seemingly but Jordan Hudson and saying, okay, she's not involved. That means that June 1st, if we're reading the tea leaves here, is less of a red button being pressed, sort of like this is all going to fall apart immediately. But looking ahead to the summer, right?
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Like you guys know how college football works. They're getting out. They're getting out of town, right? It's the summer. Like no one's really around the building. Like recruiting sure is still going on. But the whole question is, while everybody is off minding their own devices, literal and figurative in the case of Jordan Hudson and our theories, is anything else going to happen?
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that would demand some other bit of public crisis management? If the answer is no, I think that week one, him being the coach there, totally makes sense. But just historically speaking, in a very short amount of time, really this statement from Belichick at the ACC meetings in which he said, off to the side, personal, not involved with UNC in any way, is the first time he's really said that.
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And so if that is the mode, I think this is a lot calmer, but it's also the first time we've heard it. And I've seen a lot of the pendulum swinging towards a lot of people being panicked behind the scenes.
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Yeah, right. Yeah. The ideal gas law. They want to talk about the ideal.
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Does Max have a question?
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I have requested comment from North Carolina. No response. I've requested, I mean, 40 different FOIAs, which got annoying. So I apologize actually to Carolina on that. It got to be just a bit. Um, they replied to none of them. Uh, I emailed Jordan Hudson at an address, her email that I got that I know is hers. Um, no response. Uh, the Belichick camp, obviously, uh, him personally, no response.
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Um, if this is our long way of saying, uh,
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Oh, my God. If she does, I promise to tell the GeoGuessr Rainbolt guy to stop looking for that house.
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By the way, so we think that guy is just like on the up and up, right? Because I've also been like, I don't know how this works. I just have no evidence that this is-
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Yeah.
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hone in like whether it be architecture trees the sun all this stuff yeah types of grass yeah you can study cement yeah and figure it out that way yeah it's the indoor stuff sometimes he's like he's like a mall and he's like oh this mall is in nairobi and i'm like yeah how how does how does Photographic memory.
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Yeah. I guess for journalismistic reasons, I cannot actually answer that question. Okay.
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Yeah. My response to that would be to immediately go and buy a bottle of Plavac Molly 2012.
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yeah i mean look uh so lovely so perfect so summery so red so strawberry so refreshing so lightly acidic so watermelon so strawberry so lovely so enjoy it five stars so enjoy it when we get back i love the strawberry that's what i really want it i got i got uh one more question for you just something you know out of curiosity i don't know if you came across any of this while you were interviewing people do any details about their love life
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Um, look, I don't have journalistic. I don't have, uh, those specific details. What I can tell you though, is that when it comes to how Jordan Hudson's sort of, and again, not yucking any yums, like her point of view on, on, on the spectrum of human love, I think is probably maybe helpfully, uh, expressed by, uh,
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A certain museum and shop that her mom, Lee Hudson, operates as the business manager in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And I don't really know how it is that this keeps happening. But this is an episode that also contains a detail around a 20. Now, just want to get the math right. A twenty eight thousand year old dildo. in that museum.
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And I keep on having to be the guy to say, I don't have the answers to that, but I can point you in a direction where it would suggest that there's a great spectrum of possibility in terms of the answer.
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We're very dumb. I what I would ask you guys is the next time you are accidentally invited backstage into what might be a journalistically explosive room, just text me and I'll be like, hey, maybe you guys should stay. Yeah. Your ombudsman maybe. Yeah. Wanted because now I I'm mad that we don't actually have the answer to that question.
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Yeah.
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I once talked to David Falk, Michael Jordan's, of course, former super agent about, cause he was also Ewing's agent. And I asked him about the whole like frozen envelope theory and the Michael Jordan retirement because of gambling stuff. And what David Falk told me was number one, the Jordan stuff is total bullshit. That doesn't make any sense.
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But number two, the frozen envelope thing, he was like, Yeah, that makes sense.
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Yeah, I think we should collaborate on an investigation.
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Well, we could do, I mean, look, far be it from me to overstep my bounds as a first-time guest, but long-time AWL, if I may call myself that, which is a really unilateral decision. I'm just saying I've always been interested in the lost footage around Barstool Van Talk. And I may or may not know a guy who may or may not have been involved in that backstage decision.
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And I may or may not be somebody who actually wants to see that happen. Just saying that episode two is another bit of a piece of footage that maybe there's something there.
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John Skipper didn't turn the camera on for that one.
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I hesitate to imagine what my life is going to be like in general going forward. So anytime. Yeah.
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Crying Jordan is a meme that's available for someone to... Not for our queen.
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And now for something completely different.
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Yeah, it's been less than two years. I believe I have the credibility to quote Hank as a full journalismist. So it's really good.
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I feel like you guys, you guys are empowered to do that. I miss it. I miss the feeling when I listen to you guys. I'm like, oh, that felt it always felt good to just read it the way that it's spelled. But when you when you interview 11 separate fucking people about someone, it's like I should probably just call her the way that she wants to be called. Yeah. All right.
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Yeah, I strongly disagree with Joshua L. Zuckerman, her former boyfriend of some 60 years, sort of an age. When he calls, hold on, let me just get the review that I mostly disagreed with.
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And this wasn't in the episode, but when he called a Plavac Mali 2012, quote, so lovely, so perfect, so summery, so red, so strawberry, so refreshing, so lightly acidic, so watermelon, so strawberry, so lovely, so enjoy it. I felt that was a little bit, that was like a, that was a little much. That's not a five star review.
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Yeah. So my show, the premise is explicitly we take stupid things seriously and also serious things stupidly. And in this case, it started when we saw the Super Bowl commercial. And for those who are familiar with Jordan's internet presence, you're like, oh, my God, she's in it. The girlfriend is in the ad.
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And I started making calls around why it is that she was in that Super Bowl ad, you know, the height of American success and commercialism. And it turned out that she had appointed herself Bill Belichick's agent and was the one negotiating with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. And at that point, it was like, this is a stupid thing we can take seriously.
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But what I underestimated is the degree to which it was also like a story about real power dynamics with the highest paid employee, public employee in the state of North Carolina. And so really that episode, which we did in February of this year, ended up being this lighthouse episode.
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where a lot of people behind the scenes were like, oh, my God, someone's finally noticing what our lives have been like behind the scenes. As Bill Belichick launched, I think like a half dozen media properties simultaneously out of the same New Jersey studio where they do the NFL film stuff. And so it all was kind of weirdly coalescing in a very defined way.
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And that's when I said I should probably just start making every call that I can.
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I am actively working on acquiring confirmation around whether I can get that video that may or may not exist. Um, that's a lot of clauses to sort of protect what I don't know. Just know that this is, this is one of the, look, I have Holy grails in my life.
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Um, when it comes to videos, one of them was published on the show, uh, last year, it was the next recruiting video for LeBron that had, uh, the last scene that James Gandolfini ever did as Tony Soprano in it. And also, uh, you know, Jim Dolan's list of super friends, all recruiting LeBron and the secret video. We got that video. Um, this one, uh, I am actively working on still.
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I can tell you, though, that when it came to how that scene unfolded, I mean, just imagine, just imagine Bill Belichick showing up. He is this guy. This is, by the way, a lot of like New England fans on that set. Right. So this is people who look up to Bill Belichick and they have to figure out like. Is Bill OK with what's happening?
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And Bill Belichick, I'm told, just like had no change in his face as his girlfriend showed up unilaterally deciding, I'm wearing a yellow polka dot bikini now and it's time for us to shoot a scene. And it was just like, OK, we got to make this happen somehow. And I am tracking down the people who may actually have the answer to my questions.
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Yeah, I was really worried at first that I was going to be beaten on the story that I was very early on. But what ended up happening actually was that people felt like we were at a last straw kind of a moment. So a lot of the stuff with Carolina, frankly, the timeline of this, that stuff changed when it came to the administration and the higher ups at the university because of CBS.
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Look, a lot of the conversation behind the scenes has always been who's going to tell Bill, right? Who's going to tell Bill that this is a problem? And the CBS thing was the number one example to date of just it being forced into a public forum in which every tabloid was demanding answers.
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And also CBS itself was saying, hey, this statement that was released about the agreement that Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick and CBS had, that's a lie. That's not true. And that is something that I reported as soon as it was happening. And I can confirm, yes, there was no agreement, all that stuff.
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But that was the it was really the tipping point that actually unlocked a lot of sourcing on this, which was good for me as much as I feared it at first.
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Yeah. No, I've I've I've confirmed that there's like 30 minutes of video. It's a lot of her giving hand signals, you know, again, Spygate style. One might even say that hand signals that there are people who are on set at CBS who are really irritated, actually, that they haven't released it yet, because this is again, you guys, our instincts are the same here. Like everyone would love to see that.
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But the the. The comedy of like what that was is that this was CBS Sunday morning. Right. So like they're like, we don't we don't want to do that. They didn't want to do any of this. They handled this even even the expose around like here is Jordan Hudson behind the scenes in the way that she didn't realize she was on camera. That was handled so classily.
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That it just sort of indicates that they don't actually want to pick a fight about this. It's just that they were driven to the point where they couldn't do any of the other stuff that they wanted to do. Like what I was told about that day was and I don't think I've said this elsewhere, but like Belichick shows up late because he's on the phone. It's a recruiting thing.
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And so there's a bit of a sort of like a mess as they show up. It's his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland. The whole thing was that was the Navy sweaters, by the way, like she says to people that she picks his clothes out for him, by the way. And so they have these Navy sweaters. His is full of holes.
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People have asked me, have you heard whether those holes are like, you know, if that's stolen valor, like the game wornness of it? Is that real? Did she take a car, run it over a bunch of times? That was asked to me. And I was like, I don't know the answer to that question.
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But the thing about what happened was they never got to the part where they like actually say, and we're at the high school where Bill Belichick was. And they do the walk and talk, you know, the walk and talk.
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They never got to do the walk and talk because the thing exploded because Because of this question that, again, as everyone now has has seen, I think the acknowledgments of the book, like one of the first people he thanks is his idea mill and creative muse, who I am told separately, did in fact come up with the idea for the book. And so when they asked the question, how did you guys meet?
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The idea that this happened in that way is so flabbergasting to everybody that they had no choice but to acknowledge it in the thing they put on air.
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Yeah. The two theories, the two clubhouse leaders. And we don't look in fairness to Jordan Hudson. Right. Like I emailed her. She did not respond. I don't know.
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her point of view on these things all i can do is report as exhaustively as i can around this stuff but there are two clubhouse leading theories one is the one that i also yeah i i believe is quite real is that she has this understanding of exclusivity where if she says something in one interview she can't then sell it to a different outlet for a reality show for instance so another subplot of the cbs thing that i was told by the way that the whole thing they wanted to do at first the original idea for it was not annapolis maryland it was north carolina
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And it makes sense. Of course, everybody would. That's like good press. But Jordan was the one or at least she had a very controlling interest in saying we can't do North Carolina because we're doing that for something else. And maybe that was going to be hard knocks. Maybe that was going to be the other thing. But that was not the whole high school thing was supposed to be North Carolina.
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And she was instrumental in saying we're not doing North Carolina. And so the next theory, just on top of that, and I don't think I'm realizing how much I've spent. I just I didn't have enough time in the episode for all of this stuff. So my memory is being jogged now. But the other thing is that she didn't want to acknowledge her actual age at the time that they met.
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And this was something that we pieced together because we pulled and this is one of the creepiest things I'll ever say. We pulled Miss Maine footage from last year and we were like, she says, Jordan Hudson, Hancock, 22. And that pageant was in March. Right? So last year, March 2024, she's 22. February 2021, logically, she would be 19 years old. Okay.
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I fully agree. My whole thing here is not like, man, now we've crossed a line. Right. Bill Belichick's yums, I am not here to yuck any of them. Whatever you want, dude. It's not my issue. What I'm doing, though, is trying to figure out a consistency of how she presents and tells the truth or not around who she is and what she's up to.
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And when it's coupled, all of that is coupled with this thing that I reported about how there is this staff directory, basically, that was passed around, the UNC wives and girlfriends of the coaches, in which she put her age as April...
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2000 instead of April, 2001, again, the exercise here, and this is, it's just, it's stupid the degree to which we got into detail on this, but look at your keyboard. look how far apart the zero and the one are. Yeah. It's just hard to accidentally mistype your own birth date when the difference is zero, zero or zero one.
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And so people are saying combined with Instagram sleuthing, and by the way, his health checks family is, is in, again, in a parallel way, looking at all of this stuff, even more deeply than me, you can imagine. And they're saying to themselves, well, hold on, there are these Instagram posts that used to have explicit like birthday details that have been edited out of posts. That's what I was told.
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I'm not, I haven't gone through, I don't have the before and after on that. I just know that people have been noticing that she has been cleaning up what age she says she is.
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What I can tell you is that when he filmed things at NFL Films, Mount Laurel, New Jersey, that big headquarters, like the only media companies ever trusted because he's a football guy in the utmost way, in a real way. NFL Films was his thing. The president of NFL Films, by the way, that dude started as as a guy who was with the Owen Patriots, like doing the behind the scenes footage.
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So like he's had a deep trust there. What I can tell you is that when it came to when he was filming stuff, those shows inside the NFL, the underdog show, the McAfee stuff, the Peyton stuff, it was all out of this one set. And the people on those shows, dozens of people all say that she was around all of the time.
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So literally, I don't think she was behind the camera, but physically, I think she might have been somewhere behind the camera. It was just all happening at the same time over last summer, that off season. And she was there always.
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Yes. Yes. This is my whole thing about the ban. This is like the weird nature of this story is that the CBS thing opened the floodgates, as you guys detected. And what happened since is this power struggle behind the scenes from the very top of the university telling the football program in a meeting, she can't be around anymore. We don't want her around anymore. She won't be around anymore.
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And that message got out around the program. And simultaneous to that has been the hiring of a PR guy who is very notably very different from Jordan Hudson. Guy who used to work for the Bears, actually. Guy who used to, who's like a legit, just like normal.
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Totally normal, like competent guy who I presume, I haven't spoken to him, Brandon Faber, right?
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Yeah. And I think one of the ways you can be good at your job is to just remember that, like, oh, wait a minute. Bill Belichick loves football. And the more he talks about football and the less that he has to talk about Jordan Hudson, the better. And so everybody behind the scenes has. And this is from his family to his inner circle. Right.
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So Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Mike Lombardi, those guys who did nothing, by the way, to stop Jordan Hudson from basically running the show behind the scenes. Everybody is now finally like, oh, my God, we have our opening. To finally make sure that the thing that she was, which is CC'd on every single email at Carolina by Belichick's request.
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That's what the FOIA records were by the New York Times and The Athletic, which they did scoop me on. And I am still irritated that I didn't get those emails. But that stuff, they're undoing that piece by piece. And Belichick saying she's off to the side. That's a personal relationship. Right.
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That is very different from the statement after the CBS thing in which, of course, Jordan and Bill released a statement saying we have a personal and professional relationship. And the U.N. part has always been. Wait a minute. Does this mean Belichick Productions or does this mean Carolina football?
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Because Carolina football is the place where everybody's terrified that this is undoing the whole the whole notion of hiring Bill Belichick in the first place.
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Yes, it's the equivalent of like one day, you know, the the hopefully future ex-girlfriend of your best friend. She sends a text and you're like, I think we have our way in to start the conversation that all of us have been afraid to talk about. Like instead of one text, it's been a series. of public interviews and behind the scenes masters that have followed her.
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And again, the whole thing about why is she so bad? I want to make clear. I don't think she's like a super villain. I don't think any of that. I just think she's a deeply ambitious young person that weirdly like the parallel, the most generous parallel I can give her is that it's as if your friends started dating like Mark Zuckerberg one day.
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And and that guy just thought he knew how to do everything. And the unintended consequences of what he was building ended up costing a lot of people their sanity. And I think that there is just a there's an ambition here without a knowledge of how the industries she's trying to take over works. And that that has been something that people have been repeatedly saying.
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It is weird for me to feel checkmated on wokeness by you guys, but I do feel checkmated on that.
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Yeah. It's a really good question. Good question. This is a truly good question. The reason why it's relevant to me is because I have been thinking about how to confirm just the timeline of when they started dating. And so... You know, when Big Cat is asking, like, isn't this kind of like you have a friend who has this significant other that you don't like and are afraid to say so?
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The other parallel question I have from real life is like, when did Bill Belichick DTR? Like, how do you how does one define the relationship with Bill Belichick? Because what I can tell you is that people started seeing Jordan Hudson in Bill Belichick's. So there are these outdoor seats he has not in a box, but in Gillette, like out in the end zone.
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I think it's Section 120, although not reporting that. I'm just that's what I've been told. Section 120 ish. And in November 2021, Jordan Hudson was sitting there. And so, again, but is that is that is that having DTR? Is that just like, oh, a guest, a friend? Like, right. Are they friends with any degree of whatever? Like, I don't know, but I just know that it happened very soon after.
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Actually, they met on that plane in February 2021 in terms of her showing up around the Patriots, actually. So this is definitely during his NFL tenure in a quite noticeable way.
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Greatest lighthouse ever.
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She does love a nautical theme. Not reporting that. He does love fishermen and stuff, so I'm just saying. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I think I might be the person who inspired the sort of like dominoes of aggregation that got to you guys on the family being worried about this video. So the video, I think for most people got, got to be a thing because of the Tom Brady roast.
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So the Netflix roast, Tom Brady makes a joke around how his favorite ring is actually, uh, the ring camera video, Belichick like shirtless, uh, wandering around on a porch somewhere in presumably Massachusetts. The pieces then were reported, I think, by the Daily Mail or something. It's hard to keep track, but like it was identified as like this is outside of Jordan Hudson's home.
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It's important to realize, though, that the video first got released on the Internet in twenty twenty three. So this was way before even I was really aware of the story or tracking it.
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Well, then the question I have for you guys is, you know, logically speaking, how would one get that video?
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The worries that have been expressed on the Belichick family side, I think should be a little more specific here, because just imagine forget about the parallel. It's like you and your friend who's like roughly your age dating some woman who is just a nightmare in some ambiguous fashion. Think about if now it's your dad.
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And he's almost 70 and he's hanging around with some people who love being online, who are in their mid, really early 20s. And there's this video that shows up in which your dad is shirtless. Like the first question I have is not, wow, that's that's how did that I mean, really, it's not even how did that get out there? It's what other videos are there? Right.
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I'm peeing on all the trees, Tim, that you thought were just your urine. Guess what? I'm on there too. European owner now.
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Yeah, happy to, because I've been following this story for years and it's crazy and we're numb to it, which is a good opportunity to remind people, hey, don't be numb to this. So the PGA Tour had a monopoly effectively on golf. And this is not to say that they were praiseworthy in any way, right?
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Like golf as an institution, lots of old and ancient and yeah, flawed rituals around all sorts of demographic groups. That's not why I'm talking to you about the PGA Tour, however.
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Yes, yes. The same club, Augusta, that also had Condoleezza Rice as its first member of her demographic also was making jokes about fried chicken and watermelon at Tiger Woods. An August institution unlike any other, truly. But the reason PGA and its enterprise is relevant here is because they were disrupted, let's call it, let's use that term of art,
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by Saudi Arabia, by the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and their private investment fund. So the Saudi Royal Wealth Fund came along and said, hey, you know what we're interested in? Stealing golf from America in order to make ourselves look better to Americans. And I frame it that way deliberately because on its face, it doesn't seem like it should be successful.
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But as a very wise person once told me once, the answer to all your questions is money. And so what they did was they said, hey, we happen to have a desire to launder our reputation. We happen to be the kingdom that you may know from episodes like the bone sawing of journalists, Jamal Khashoggi being one example in that genre. You may remember us from our treatment of gay people.
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We have executed them previously. You may remember us, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, from our generally abysmal human rights record.
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And we shouldn't just yada, yada, yada over the laundry list here. Truly, the laundry list they're trying to sports wash and launder. Because, by the way, also in that catalog is 9-11. Right. 15 of the 19 hijackers. And that'll come back as I proceed deeper into this. But the point being, they said, hey, golfers, we're going to create a rival tour to compete with the PGA. And you take our money.
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You become employees of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And we're going to basically prove to all of America we're warm and cuddly. We're warm and fuzzy, you might even say, and come around to seeing our new modern way of life. And what happened was all these golfers took the money. And so there was this big fracturing between the PGA and live, which is what they called their culture.
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rival tour, the live golf tour, which is spoiler alert, not going to wind up being a good product, but will be successful in drawing big names from the PGA. And so anyway, there was this fracturing, there was this seemingly blood feud between the PGA and live. But over time, what happens is Donald Trump, I mean, we want to get to the Trump part here, because I think it's probably instructive.
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Well, yeah, and I just want to add one more thing, too, because you just reminded me, right? 2022, this is all going down, and Phil Mickelson has an interview with the author Alan Shipnuck for a book he's working on, and Phil Mickelson gives away the game, okay? So we'll set the stage for the moral high ground here by quoting Phil Mickelson. He said, yes, the Saudi kingdom killed Khashoggi.
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Yes, they do all these things to gay people. Yes, they have a horrific human rights record. This is essentially a paraphrase. You can go look it up. But... What we have here is an opportunity to disrupt the business of the PGA. And therefore, I, Phil Mickelson, I am taking the money. Right? So he says it. He says it. He says it all. They know it.
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And what happens is 2022, you may also recall, was after 2021. And on January 6th of 2021, what happens is after the insurrection on the Capitol, a lot of the PGA tour stops, they say, we can't do the Trump thing. We can't have events at Trump courses in Scotland, in America. And so Trump temporarily is out. And so the PGA to him now is the disloyal party.
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And so what comes around in 2022 is it's ahead of September 11th, the anniversary. And there are families, 9-11 families protesting at Bedminster in New Jersey at Trump National, his golf course, ahead of a live golf tournament happening at Bedminster with Donald Trump as the business partner hosting the event.
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And so you have these families saying all the things about, wait a minute, what happened to never forgetting? What happened to what the Saudi Arabians did to literally Americans in one of the worst, if not the worst modern atrocity that everybody agreed to care about forever? Spoiler alert again, nobody really listened to them.
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Yes. So America first. Now, fast forward into the future. Donald Trump has been foreshadowing for two years complaining about the PGA welcoming business from live and Saudi Arabia. He's been saying a merger is inevitable. Anybody who is fighting live is going to lose. You might as well.
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Allow me now, Donald Trump, this week to basically moderate a detente, a business merger in which, again, unsurprisingly, Donald Trump becomes a major winner because, yes, now his business at his golf courses, the things he loves the most, they will get to profit in ways that are just very clearly corrupt, given that he's, you know, the president.
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I do want to just phrase this in terms that I think are pretty undeniable. It's really an amazing trick that Trump is pulling where he gets to bathe in nationalism while being the direct business partner. To Saudi Arabia. Like, Tim, I'm trying to track what bigotries we want and which ones we don't. I'm trying to track when foreignness is supposed to feel foreign and not like one of us.
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And it seems like the only through line is literally, are you giving Donald Trump money?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit of a fine print we're missing is that when we say America first, we really mean Trump and his associated golf courses and meme coins.
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I know. Let's just cut to the chase here.
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The Saudi Arabia thing, though, just to like, what's frustrating to me is that, look, I understand that we're all playing hypocrisy detective, right? And sort of the big win of the MAGA party has been to say, but you do this. We're bad, but you do bad stuff too.
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What we're dealing with, with the Saudi Arabia stuff and so many of the other things that you're outlining in terms of corruption is a reminder that not all corruption is created equal. Right. Right.
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And in fact, when it comes to dealing with Saudi Arabia, again, if you're to pick 9-11 as this thing that we all said was a pretty good standard for when America coalesced around really what felt like let's value our own country instead of the people that fund terrorism, you would say that Saudi Arabia, okay, that's probably beyond the pale. But we've been testing.
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And again, in sports, by the way, this is not just a Trump story. This is a sports story in which everybody, unfortunately, is thirsting for their money. It's a really interesting thing. So basically, in sports...
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By the way, as I always like to say, the lone monocultural institution we seem to have left, these American institutions, everybody is putting a toe in the water of, okay, you say the cable bundle is being disrupted, which means that our billions of dollars in revenue as scheduled are going to be eroding or changing. Well, we need to find a new backer.
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And there is Saudi Arabia themselves thinking we got to switch over from oil at some point to something else, maybe tourism, maybe entertainment. And they're saying if we can use sports to cover up atrocities that we have committed, then maybe that's our future. And so there's this just meeting of desperate interests. And it's a marriage made in hell.
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And sports is quietly, across the board, they are quietly meeting and deciding, let's get some of that money in because we don't want to be left out.
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That's a particularly, you know, Tim, I can always count on you to make it even more staggeringly dystopian, but you're right. Like when we joke about the fine print, they're not even bothering to hide it in the small cereal box spot. We're seeing it in the newspaper. Like this is unsubtle, right? Like MBS is, Yes, you're all room. I on his head of sports. I mean, truly, again, I come from sports.
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I've been monitoring this story and I'm like, OK, cool. Live is back in the news. All right. I'm familiar with that. What's happening? Oh, Russia and the US are meeting in Saudi Arabia. Like all all of the streams are crossing. Like, what the fuck is this?
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David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yeah. I mean, so first and foremost, like on my show, Pablo Torre finds out as aforementioned, like my entire mission there is to make sure I melt cheese on the broccoli, right? Like you're going to get nutrition.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
We will, we will chocolate some MSG, some Molly. Yeah. We'll microdose some LSD. We'll do that too. Whatever you need to make this feel like you're enjoying yourself, we'll do it. But I mean that seriously, right? This stuff shouldn't just be scolding.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It should also be truly like a realization that there is great comedy, albeit a dark comedy, in the absurdity of what we're seeing, which is a parallel to politics. So how is sports... A parallel to politics here. Well, what's happening is that a sacred institution that you loved growing up has been sold piece by piece to truly the modern equivalent of the Axis powers.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It's the bad guys in the most on the nose movie you've ever seen. And the question is, as it is to the voter, are you having a better time? consuming the product that's being sold piece by piece to the bad guys. And Live Golf, what I will confidently say, is that no one really likes that shit. It's not better now than it used to be.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It is being inshittified. And so even if, by the way, we led with some acknowledgement as we do as liberal cucks towards the idea that, by the way, the PGA, Augusta, they have some issues, not trying to enshrine them. The point is what you're getting as a result of the inshittification of everything due to outright unprecedented corruption is not good for the normal person.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It's not good for the fan. It's not good for sports. And by the way, like the other thing that's funny to me, the comedy in this, Tim, was watching all of this happen as the Super Bowl just sort of like turned over to me. OK, what did the Super Bowl reveal? Lots of things. But one of them was that Donald Trump doesn't know ball. Tommy Tuberville, literally a football coach, does not know ball.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
He's they're both making shit up about Patrick Mahomes. Right. In a way, that should signal to you these people are not who they claim they are. They're using sports as if they are the bros and we're the cucks. And in reality, they're revealing at every turn that they don't actually know what they're talking about.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And that part is just fundamentally, I'm just like, look, you can get me on the moral level. Maybe you disagree with my philosophies, sure.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
But if you're telling me that those people are convincing you that they're actually diehard familiar with the shit you care about, we just aren't going to be able to agree on anything because they're revealing all the time that they're lying to you for their benefit and they're using you for, spoiler alert, their benefit.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It's, yes. Yes. If I can give you the people who we should, I mean, again, Tim, I'm from New York, right? And so there's a parallel here to just like the New York thing. Because 9-11, I am somebody who has found a way to truly like not have that be the thing I want to club people over the head with every day. But when it just comes to like the most cinematic version of patriotism, I'm like,
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Really? We're going to let those guys who did this help that guy who's doing this to us? Pick whatever movie that you love growing up. Pick fucking Rocky. Guess who we're on the side of now? Yvonne Drago. Come on, man. I grew up with a sense of who the villains are. I'm not even asking you to otherize anything. I'm just saying use the same shit that you grew up watching.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Now just think of the world through that lens. What do you see?
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yeah. Instead of fucking Con Air, by the way, which is what this movie feels like now.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Sad Tim Miller in person with a Denver Nuggets hat, a skew on his head contemplating. Is all the success I'm about to have in this post-election cycle really worth it? And the answer is no.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Yeah, I want to like the NIT as a TV show. And I think the NIT has a brand problem. I think Greg, like arguing with America, America embodied by Greg, is a tough task. Because, yeah, how is it framed? If you're not one of the 68 best teams, then you're doing this other thing. And so the question is, how does the NIT revitalize itself? How would you retell the story of what it is?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
And I think you've got to lean all the way in the other direction, right? Can't you like premise this on, look, Rick Pitino, The man that I think about in these times is somebody who I want to see on a sideline wearing an all white suit, being mad at everything and possibly having Trump operatives carry out legal grievances to reporters quietly. Just random note, no context there.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Der Punkt ist aber, warum kann er das nicht in einem Realität-Show-Style machen, in dem er etwas wie eine Advertisemöglichkeit bekommt? Warum versucht die NIT nicht, wie das NCAA-Tournament, aber schlechter zu sein? Kann es nicht etwas anderes sein? Können wir es wiederherstellen? Können wir diese Geschichte etwas anders erzählen, damit es die Zuschauer interessiert? Das ist die Möglichkeit hier.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Amerika will Live-Kollege-Basketball sehen. And so here's this other tournament. Why aren't they wanting to do it? How would you guys save it? I think that's the question in front of us.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Listening to Greg Wies has given me a solution to save the NIT. You're welcome. Okay, tell me you wouldn't watch the NIT if every team had to have its head coach play on the floor with them.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
You want Rick Pitino out there? Yeah, I'd watch. I'm telling you, Dan, hey, there's a game on right now. It's St. John's versus whoever the f*** else. And guess who's playing point guard? Rick Pitino, age 66. You're not watching that immediately?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Can I get Greg's poetry power rankings, his final four of poetry forms? Because there are other kinds and Greg has clearly just seized upon the haiku.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Es fühlt sich an wie die Unterwelt, die mit dir kommunizieren.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Ja, so all of sports media these days is a debate tournament. Everybody thinks they're the best. Nick Wright, my arch nemesis now, thinks he's the best. Even Will Kane, all these people. Today's guest on Pablo Torre finds out is the actual best debater in sports. And he just happens to be the guy who's also taking down the NCAA. And so that is the guest. That is the story.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
That is the man that you should hear from, even though he looks down upon all the gas bags to think, you know, they're better than he is. The master debater. He's actually the best.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Guys, I want to talk to you about something that I don't think we think about enough on a daily basis. And that's comfort. Specifically when it comes to underwear. Because let's be real, when it's not right, you're going to feel it all day. And that's why I want to tell all of you about Tommy John.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Because the first time I put on a pair, I knew my underwear drawer would just simply never be the same. Tommy John hat gerade einige ihrer Produkte an uns in den Schiffskontainern gesendet. Und das ist mein erstes Mal, dass ich Tommy John Underwear trage. Ich war wirklich überrascht. Durch den Komfort, durch die Strecke, die im Design vorhanden war, durch die Textur. Es gibt eine echte Komfort.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Und ich kann sagen, dass sie den Eindruck gelegt haben, um sicherzustellen, speziell in unserem Fall mit Männern, dass wir sich komfortabel fühlen würden. Ehrlich gesagt, hat Tommy John das Spiel für mich verändert. Ich weiß, es wird ein guter Tag sein, wenn ich aus der Tür rauskomme und Tommy John aufhören kann. No distractions, no adjusting, just all day confidence.
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Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
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Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
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Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I've been hearing more about Amici and his fault, so I'm going to... You mark that for a future follow-up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The fireworks that Chris is playing over your face are a bit... uh less persuasive than the words coming out of your mouth i told david this morning that i was willing to fly to new york this weekend to apologize to you and i or budget am i right david yeah i said no
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The apology budget. The apology budget is a remarkable line item for this company to consider. I don't know. I don't know what's happening anymore. I just by the way, like the entirety of MSNBC is on the other side of this door. I presume now just like listening to what sounds like their new alleged star employee.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Being a crazy person, yelling about fireworks and balloon boobs, like, I don't really know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Oh, man. I think David is peeing himself at the moment. Oh, he is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I don't know. So, Pablo, what episode was it, finally? Sorry, it was Dallas Cowboys. You can't, okay, well, we can't. for release we did it we did we did do a press release i missed that my bad was the president get out of here david i just want you to know that part of my goal here at metal arc part of my stop with the fireworks please chris stop with the fireworks
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
One of my goals is to get Tony to listen to an episode of my show. And this may seem as unlikely as converting a Trump voter in 2025 to the notion that we as Americans have partnered with a guy who calls himself the world's coolest dictator in El Salvador. It may be as unlikely as that very proposition, but I'm gonna try. I'm really gonna try.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
He lost that battle. He lost all the battles you've mentioned. Crying you versus you. Every one of them. Just a series of defeats.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Yeah, look, the whole thesis of what we're doing at Metal Ark, by the way, the whole reason I do my show is because I believe that sports is a way into really genuinely entertaining and nourishing stories. Like my whole thing, as I've said to Dan many times, is that I want to melt some cheese on broccoli, right? Like I'm not just trying to scold you and shame you into caring about something.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I want to tell you a story. So the story we picked is, is the episode in which we sent one of our correspondents to a supermax prison in Texas to meet a guy on death row to talk about how at an alarming and frankly insane and eye-opening rate, people who are about to be executed in Texas shout out the Dallas Cowboys. They shout out their favorite sports teams.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And so this was an episode in which we went inside a Supermax prison, went inside death row to talk about what it's like to be in a fantasy football league. What's it like to care about the most popular American thing? What's it like to be able to laugh about what it's like to be a Cowboys fan? What it's like to actually consider, as this man we interviewed, Charles Flores, told us,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
what it's like to consider your Dallas Cowboys fandom in some ways even sadder than the fact that you've been fighting for your innocence for 25 years on death row, right? Like there is absurdity and laughter and like actual news you could use about capital punishment in there. And no one else is doing it like this company, man.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Look at the pride I have, the authentic fireworks I want to set off here are that you look at this list of nominees and it was shocking when we got it. It's that it's a bunch of enormous, enormous companies with all the pedigrees and the awards already. And then it's this company with these people who can't even apologize right for an apology they attempted to do.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Also in that room, it's kind of amazing. And nothing personal. To all of it. And also not that, but sure, let's just throw some stuff in at the end. Yeah, also that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
That's a good episode. This is so much worse. That's a good episode.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Does it work when the EP says aloud cue the fireworks? Is that part of the...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And by the way, this is the argument I always have behind the scenes now increasingly about like degree of difficulty what it takes you guys We're a company that hires journalists to do work like this at a time when everybody's running away from it And so the follow-up, you know or the runner-up episodes Sorry, but someone's knocking at the door. Can I just take this?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I actually don't know who this is Joe Let's see if it's Scarborough What? Omeka
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Or his boss who's firing him. Stop talking about it. I'm just taking a work call. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, absolutely. Yep, very good. I got kicked out of the room, so I got to go. Cue the fireworks.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I don't know. Subscribe and find out. God damn it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Zazz, I thought you'd never ask. My man.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
For those of us who don't know, yes, we do. Me, Pablo. I'm also here, beaming in from Dirty Rockefeller Center in New York. What's funny about all of this, you can imagine, is that... When Dan mentions that Mina was concerned about me and Dan and our friendship, I hadn't even known about the Barrett Sports Media thing, by the way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I was dealing with DMs from a separate sports media writer, so that's cool. Great to know that. Something that Mina and I both advised was that Dan not do what he's doing right now live. So cool. But let's do it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The test is do you see these people as human beings deserving of the protection as human beings of the country that has styled itself the foremost protector of decency and due process in human history?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And when you show these videos and you allow this administration to cast these people as people who should be shackled, who don't look like you, what they don't want you to realize in the case of Mr. Abrego Garcia is that this was a dad who was apprehended while in a parking lot of an Ikea with his autistic son in the back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And one of the most primary criteria for why he was apprehended was because he was wearing a Chicago Bulls cap and hoodie. Everybody acknowledges that this guy, as we see photos of him and his family, did not deserve any of this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And if this was somebody who looked a little bit more like the people we tend to be intuitively sympathetic towards, which is to say very clearly, if he was a white guy who wasn't generally associated with what it means to be scary and foreign. John, this is the sort of story, the suspension of due process.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
the deportation to a terrorist prison camp in El Salvador that has Americans typically saying, this is why we need our Second Amendment. And here, I just wonder why that level of panic has not risen to the level of action, because it is absolutely horrifying.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
This went very quickly, and I have to say, maybe even predictably went from, I am feeling my heart growing full, to, I hate you guys. I really do. Well, we love you. Dan, I got you a Peabody. Yes, a nomination. A nomination. It is a nomination. Relax. Yes. The winners are announced at some point in the future. I want to explain what's happening to Amin.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I mean, remember when your parents were like, well, I don't know if this is the right metaphor, but it feels like when, as a kid, The adult in the room starts off by complimenting you, and it's so effusive that it becomes suspicious. It's that setup times the time that you and Izzy were fighting on air. It's kind of like that stuff. Kind of like all that stuff.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Can we go through a day without being aggregated? Can we go through one day without Barrett Sports Media getting in my inbox about the awards budget? Jesus Christ.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The balloons aren't helping, Chris. The balloons aren't helping, Chris. The balloons are not helping us.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
We're trying to be an adult media company winning most prestigious awards in journalism and getting Emmy nominations for documentaries and signing giant deals. And all I'm seeing is Chris Cody waving balloons. Give me fireworks.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
They're going to take back the nomination. They're going to take it back, guys.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I don't even remember that. We are unsurprised to hear Dan say that. I'm just going to speak for everybody now. Cue the fireworks. Thank you. No one's surprised. It is still a surprise, David.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, just the transactionality of all of it. I mean, David does sort of summarize it well there, but I just have a different sort of angle to it, which is that that invitation that you read, the Ricketts family, the Adelsons, okay, obviously those are two sports owners. In Mark Zuckerberg now, you have a guy who is also a sports figure. Dana White is on the board of Meta.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Look, I went to college with Mark Zuckerberg. I've been watching him in both a morbidly curious way I mean, was I the 199th person in the world to join Facebook? Yeah, maybe. Who's counting? Me? It used to be my URL. 199. But I say that because for 20 years, I watched a guy without any actual moral compass transact and scheme to become more and more powerful and more and more wealthy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Corruption is not created equal. I think there's just a bunch of people out there who are like, but Hunter Biden. And I'm like, Hunter Biden, that was a terrible embarrassment for the Biden administration. There are lots of things the left, broadly speaking, has done that does fall into the realm of corruption and is embarrassing. I'm just telling you that nothing is as look at what we're doing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
We're not even hiding it anymore than invitations like that and just the pivot that someone like Mark Zuckerberg has taken. They're doing it, Dan, because it works. This is an administration that is welcome to quid pro quo. Miriam Adelson, by the way, the Adelson family aforementioned, we did an episode about them, the biggest donors to Donald Trump.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
In exchange, they get to dictate policy on Israel. Mark Zuckerberg, the reason he's doing this is because he knows that he can give money in exchange for political favors and protection. It works, and that's why they're doing it. They're not stupid.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
But I think that what David just did is the trick that got run in the campaign and now the aftermath, which is you voted for this. And I think on some level, of course, because it's two choices, yes, objectively true. But I just think that...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
there has been a both sides ism to corruption that has undersold the magnitude on the side that won and the side that one did not run on we are corruption vote for corruption they ran on all the other stuff they ran on again sports topics They ran on trans athletes. They ran on immigration. They ran on the stuff that is juicy, the stuff that actually moves the needle in a town hall meeting.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Corruption isn't one of those topics, but because the other stuff got voted for, corruption rides inside. And David, I just think that my faith relative... to yours is in the idea that people, if they actually knew the magnitude and were presented with it by journalistic enterprises in a more rigorous and clear way, they would not actually say we voted for corruption.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
They would say, oh, that was an unfortunate thing that happened in retrospect. We voted for the other stuff. Instead, we got the most corrupt administration in the history of American politics.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I went through this exercise at our reunion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Wait, Billy, you didn't go to your... We don't have college reunions. Zuckerberg was a year ahead of me. There were some other candidates in mind. You guys don't have college reunions?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Yeah, so Facebook started as truly that. Oh, good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, I'm here to tell you, you saw a movie. I lived the movie. What were the Winklevoss twins like?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
No, what David is saying is actually the problem now. Your take has gotten worse. Your take is now corruption has always existed. We should not even remark upon its existence. Yes, it is. You're observing something in the observation. You are wearing away the edges on what's actually interesting, which is that this is uniquely corrupt. And I'm just telling you that- It's not uniquely corrupt.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
You're saying-
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think I did peak in college.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I thought they only rated women. Of course they did. To answer your question, though, in terms of like, where do I rank in my college reunion? It does bring us back to the topic, because when I went to that reunion, Vivek Ramaswamy was there. And I just point out something. Vivek Ramaswamy drove a wedge into this insane coalition between Silicon Valley, deeply transactional and America first.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Right. Because he was talking about like H-1B visas and you need more Indian immigrants and all that stuff. Go check out the last time Vivek Ramaswamy tweeted. The dude has been disappeared. from the Republican Party since he dared to say something that was ideologically inconvenient for this coalition. So I'm just telling you that Vivek Ramasamy's on the way down.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think I am absolutely back ahead of him. Damien Chazelle directed Whiplash and La La Land and those movies, so I think he's clearly the number one. But I'm up there. I'm up there, arguably, I would say. Colin Jost, your year? I didn't, like, Colin Jost was not. He was years ahead of me. We went to high school together. He was a good guy. There you go. High school, yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Guys, I need some help here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I am the least likable on your show, which is unfortunately one of the biggest platforms that I tend to sometimes have. Everywhere else, I'm like the fun guy. Here, I'm like... The scold. And I'm like, welcome to my world.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
You're the fun guy elsewhere, huh? Are you?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I am. I am the fun. I am. I am the Stugatz of MSNBC. Just to give you a clarity on what it's like for me over there. I come in wanting to talk about. I come in wanting to rank quarterbacks, literally. And it's a very different experience.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I yell into people's lav mics, you know, like Michelle Beadle.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I was, though. He says from his one-bedroom apartment. I didn't make money on it. The two-bedroom. Apartment shaming?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Thank you. Thank you, Jess. I was, I didn't, look, I didn't, as the movie says, if you invented Facebook, you would invent Facebook. I didn't invent Facebook. What I did, though, was watch Mark Zuckerberg's now wife, Priscilla Chan, live in my freshman entryway and send an email to us being like, hey, do you want to sign up for Mark's new website? And I did. And you could have saved the world.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
That's the better take is that I was all too happy to sign up for the hot or not site and like stalk people in my classes because I was like, oh, wait a minute. This is this is actually convenient. Instead, yeah.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think Dan walked away when Samson just started saying stuff like, the wheel. But that happened too.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
By the way, you are welcome. You are welcome for that.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
think it's silicon valley i think tech is actually the big difference and that's the difference between the wheel and now is that we are dealing with the foremost technological uh innovation presented to you by companies that aren't just uh seeking to protect themselves but they actually do have a we know better than you perspective on this
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It's not just that Silicon Valley is transactional, David, and they are willing to spend to preserve their own self-interests. It's that now you have them in concert with an administration that doesn't care about the ideology. They don't. Donald Trump's foremost motive is profit. And it's just naked in a way that's different.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
There are other guidelines and guardrails around, well, he won't do this because. He won't do that because there is shame, there is policy. He actually does believe this ideologically. And I'm not saying that Trump believes in nothing. I'm just saying that nothing compares to the profit that he wants to make.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
And when you have that in combination with the place that has the most money to spend, that does have ideas for how the policy should be different. It's just a remarkable combination that we're going to begin to see in full bloom. That's going to make the wheel and the corruption that existed in the era of like oil barons.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It's going to be quaint because it's never been quite like this with Silicon Valley ascendant at this time.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
that's pretty good gotta say it's pretty good
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I don't love that Jeremy and I are both wearing glasses as we yell at David. It's just I feel like we're diluting extra pretentious at the same time. I do want to I want to join Jeremy, though, pushing back on David in this way. David said you find nothing out by explaining how corrupt and perhaps uniquely corrupt this administration is.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
The Silicon Valley thing is the is the is the part that I think we're underweighting here every day on this show, especially. But otherwise, we marvel at how unhappy we are about. our phones and what is actually ruling our day to day life. Right. We marvel at that as if it's new all of the time. The companies that made it that way did not make it that way.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think credit to them because they said we would like to make everyone's lives miserable. What happened was they were like, we can innovate and create a device that can do all of these other things. We can connect to the world, as Mark Zuckerberg has always said. We can make it so that you have the access to the library of Alexandria on command in your phone.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
What I'm saying is that the misery and the ruin of all of these institutions that we enjoy, but our happiness, first and foremost, okay, our happiness was an unintended consequence of people who thought that they knew better than everybody else. And when you don't regulate those people,
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
And when you don't put up the guardrails via a political administration that is meant to not serve a profit motive, but to serve its actual citizens, at that point, not to sound like I'm running for goddamn office right now, you are doing something in which people have to discover I'm a frog in a pot of boiling water.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
That's what we are discovering every day because the products are actually that good. They are that good, David.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, listen, I'm just saying, like you talk to people who design, there's a guy who designed the feature that is the infinity scroll. We all know it, right? Like you don't have to actually like press a button. It just scrolls infinitely. I'm like a slot machine.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It actually is sort of premised on slot machine technology, that famously non-addictive technology that everybody who uses loves, you know, slot machines. People love it when you watch them play a slot machine. You're like that person at the time of their life and not sad and old and dying.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
What is happening is that the people who invented this technology, the infinite scroll, social media, Facebook itself, they're philosophy with their own kids is we wouldn't let them use this stuff. And I think you've heard that probably before, but it's real. It's true. And I'm not saying that to say I'm going to throw my phone into the ocean.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I'm just saying the people who are telling you that they know the best, OK, are also the people who have access to avoid being stopped in a unique way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Juju, welcome. It is nice to see you. What are the fairest of all of the criticisms on today's show? I imagine that tomorrow we'll start the show by saying all of the things that we did wrong on today's show for about an hour and a half.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Still an upset. Yes, good correction. Thank you, Juju.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I don't think of you as a spiritual person. Do I have that wrong? Like, I know that... So we're doubling down on it. Well, yeah, I guess so. I think hating God is too strong. I don't believe that that's what I said entirely.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Republicans listen to our show, too.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
That was a good second game, though. I had, after watching Denver slog through that first one against OKC in the fourth quarter, to see Jokic go and lead against that defense, lead the Nuggets to 140 points. Well, Dan, I gave you this stat last week.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
A God cynic. I was like, what? Are you a spiritual person? Would you consider yourself a spiritual person? How do you define a spiritual person? You define it. I'm asking you.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I want to talk about a couple of other things, but I also wanted to ask Amin what his opinion was on the idea that, Whatever you think of the lead NBA voices in this country, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Stephen A. Smith, if they're in your top group of NBA voices, they're entertainment more than analysis.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
It doesn't mean that they can't also do analysis, but the emphasis is on entertainment.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I think of you as almost inherently skeptical about everything. And so I don't think – I remember having a conversation with you on Pablo Torre Finds Out where you didn't have much use for whatever the spiritual center of yoga was, for example. We're talking about ghosts, man.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
We've got to get to a few more things with Juju and we'll have Amin in the rest of the week on basketball. But also as part of this affliction, though, Amin. You've got those people who are entertainers talking about how many teams that have a real championship chance, a legitimate championship chance.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
So they have to invent other storylines because you've got four or five teams to choose from as legitimate contenders.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Thank you, Juju. It's a dark compliment. Before we get out of here on polls and stuff, I think you've earned today the ability to give just any kind of life advice that you would like to give to anybody in the audience. It doesn't have to be in victory lap form, but if you want the floor to give any life advice that people can use, please have at it.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Much easier to just talk shit behind your friend's back to 12 people. Ronnie H., Ronnie Honleche. Yes, very inefficient way to do it. What kind of polls do we have? Poll updates do we have today, Juju?
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
That script on that movie, can you imagine that script? And now Kevin Bacon goes to the warehouse and just dances like crazy. Just what a shitty script.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Everybody hit him. Look out. Good day. Oh, my God. He punctuated it with a good day.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Notably, different from Bill Cassidy, who did cast the deciding vote to approve, as the director of Health and Human Services, a guy who also loves roadkill as much as vultures. That was yesterday.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You can throw him an alley-oop that's 50 feet in the sky and he will dunk it.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I want Ron to dress like that all of the time. With the white suit? And the sweater. And the chain. I like how he was like, I was meeting the mayor. And it's like, of course, this is what the mayor of Miami should be met like.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Someone said to you, ugh.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So Dominique has been texting me topics that I should ask as the host of a sports show. Topics that involve the Luka Doncic trade, LeBron James, how difficult it is to make trades when you have a reputation for being bad at making trades. And to that I say, welcome Ron McGill.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Well, we have you on for a far more important reason. It's me, Amin, David Sampson, Jess, Jeremy, and Chris.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yeah, I'll take it. Wait, wait, wait. I'm not sorry. The past version of me that I no longer am is sorry. But me, David Sampson, have evolved.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's right. In no way is this a backup, second string, substitute teacher scenario. This is definitely the first stringers. There you go. Ron, where are you right now?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You're trying to make us dress like a breakdancing squad. Why are we all wearing the same stuff?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Dominique's texting me that I need to take control of the show again. Can we bring it back to this Nico Harrison thing for a second? Because we're talking about what we're supposed to call things. And I feel like, I mean, on the internet, people have misinterpreted something that was reported by Ethan Strauss at ESPN in the most clicked article on ESPN.com at the time.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So people online have been saying that Nico Harrison called Steph Seth.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
And that's not what the story is. I mean, can you help clarify what the actual story is? Because it's one of the great stories in sports business that now comes back because Nico Harrison is the aforementioned formerly anonymous guy who is now a thing that everybody has an opinion on.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's news, right? Right, there is something to the idea of when news is breaking, it'd be nice if it was breaking out of a thing that wanted to keep it contained.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But a friend of Steph Curry's. A friend of Steph Curry's. And an Under Armour client.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Nike had to argue that Steph should stay with Nike. And this was in August. I mean, the second floor of the Oakland Marriott. Yep. Beneath the practice facility of Golden State. And notably missing were the people who actually had power. Yes. At Nike. So this guy, Lynn Merritt, was a shadow. I mean, not even shadow. He's just known as...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So the person who was there running the meeting instead of Lynn Merritt, who was famed for being a power broker, a LeBron James advisor at the time, happens to have been Nico Harrison, who was a sports marketing director. That was his title. Not like Grand Poobah, but sports marketing director.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yeah, he's not a schlepper. And he would go on to be the VP of North America Basketball Ops for Nike, but he was not the number one guy.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's what it was. Again, Nico is running the meeting, but the reporting is, and this is according to one of the unafraid people who ended up being a source for Ethan, a meaningful source who was in the room, Del Curry, Steph's dad, who said that one Nike official accidentally addressed Steph as Steph-on. Stephen Curry. Not his actual name, but the mispronunciation.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So the meeting begins with them mispronouncing the name of the person they are recruiting. Not great. It's not going to end well.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
He's not credited as the guy who accidentally addressed him as such.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Because it's become, because of Nico Harrison being the guy who was, again, credited and discredited with the Luka Doncic trade, erasing the owners of the team, incidentally, he's credited as the guy who called Steph, Seth. But the funnier part of the meeting.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's irrelevant to what we're doing. The funnier part of the meeting, though, David, which I think you might appreciate, is that this meeting that was, again, run by Nico Harrison, right? So what does he get discredited for here? Maybe it's the fact that the meeting has a PowerPoint presentation, and the PowerPoint presentation is clearly for Kevin Durant. Yeah.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
His name is left on there by accident because they're repurposing a thing for someone that they actually cared more about for this guy that they're basically doing the theater of caring about.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Speaking of merch I'd love to wear. No, it's just old enough to be in my sweet spot.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes, because Steph Curry and that shoe became, if not next to Kyrie Irving's shoe, the most popular shoe among young people.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron also looks like somebody who has just thrown Amin El-Hassan out of the club. No, he doesn't. No, no, no.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
For Under Armour.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Oh, this was, again, going back to the idea of dynasties and villainy, this was the Warriors- At their heyday.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
To quote an and one shirt, grab a notebook. You're about to be schooled.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's very good.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
On waiting?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
The shoe does look good, if you can show that.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Let's listen to this. I disagree, but we'll listen. Good EP. Tell for ourself.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I agree. We have not seen them even. I mean, so, yes, they've been in the same photograph together, but it's been sort of in that paparazzi way, which is a soft launch, if anything. Were they holding hands? That's the thing. Were they holding hands, though?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I would draft Asia Wilson and Bam Adebayo's child right now. That kid's not going to play basketball.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I agree. That's how to look when you're doing Dan's show. Ron, we summoned you for an actual pressing concern, which is that Amin Elhassan and I stay at this lovely building, the Elser Hotel. We stay near the top floors in the 40s. Oh, I know what it is already. We've encountered some vultures. That's right. Can you explain what we've been encountering, please?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I know. It's really not great. Jesus Christmas. What are you? That's a video issue.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Now, hypothetically. Yeah, purely hypothetically. I just forgot.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's a lot that I'm processing here. So the vulture, just to get back to where they came from and why they're here. So these turkey vultures, the fact that they're turkey vultures, is that right? Am I saying it or no?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Right. So let's just say hypothetically, if we were to put some garbage and raccoon carcasses on our balcony, if we were to, in fact, can we bring Ethan in here?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I want to just run an experiment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes, like a crowd outside of a club during Super Bowl week, the vultures have been circling my balcony. And on that balcony, I would like to put David Sampson and Ethan, who's here. Say hi, Ethan. David, stand up next to him for context.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So between the two of them, if we were to slather both of them in maybe meat juice or raccoon carcass, who would the vulture be more likely to take away? David's on his tippy toes.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Is that his name? Ethan.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's a great compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's a hell of a compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
He did just have a birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Ethan, by the way.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Doesn't that look a little bit like him? Not really. I see it. No, I see it.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Cheekbones. It's in the cheekbones.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Them cheeks.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
And in the vultures defense, Mina Kimes walked into a glass door at Dan's wedding. Oh, that's a good point, man.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But we should be glad that the vultures are here is what you're saying. We should be embracing them as much as they might projectile vomit the remains of roadkill.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ethan, take the hat off.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Hey!
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
The nose.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
There you go.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You know what? Many such cases. You're right. Think about what Ron just said. That's a compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron, David was telling us a 10-minute story about Alan Alda before. And now we've moved to David Cassidy. So thank you for actually.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron, we appreciate it. Not only are we killing it, we are then going to pick the bones of the things we have killed and continue to spray our uric acid all over everything.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
What do you mean? Be a better defense attorney for your kid.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
No, man, I can't.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'm terrible. All right, we've got to establish some etiquette, Dominique. What are your sports parent commandments when it comes to talking? Well, I mean...
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I pray for footage of you guys flipping out at a game. I just want someone to send me a TikTok of you guys.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I thought Dominique was saying Amin is taking shots literally vicariously. As in, like, shoot. Coach, you've got to isolate number nine on defense.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, this changes everything. Did you guys all catch that? We were not. Did we all catch that? Earl Woods over here is revealing what's really happening. I stand corrected. Amin is engineering the next grade athlete. Not really.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
That's what you got to say, Amin. Well done. Well done. A good immigrant parent.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Framing dollar bills and talking about grades.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I wish everybody could hear the motivational speech Dominique just gave Chris Cody.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'd like to know. We really just want a most down. I don't want to do this. What's happening? We just had a great. We were doing something.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
We're having too much fun. Dan's going to fly right now. Speaking of flight, Dominique.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, I am. I am summoning Dominique Foxworth, not just because we just replayed the video from last summer of David Sampson koala bearing him mid-dap, but also because Chris Cody clearly was waiting for that external validation. You guys talked about sack grabbing in a way that felt honestly inspirational. Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
We all know he's listening. I know. That's why Jeremy wore that color green, just for Dan. Dan was worried. Dan said that he's happy to take vacation. The audible sound of laughter through the glass that you may be able to catch is Jess's reaction to that premise. I believe that Dan is worried. I believe that Dan should be on vacation. He's not on vacation. You know that, right? He's working.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I mean, he's not working the whole week. The whole point is to give him time, right? He's doing this show with Dan Patrick, which everybody in New Orleans, if you're listening, go watch. It's at Tipitina's, which is an awesome venue. You know, go do that. But after that, like Dan should have a weekend to himself. He should be, you know. Painting the town red. That's right.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Another thing people don't say anymore. Is that a 90s reference? I don't know. 20s CB.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, yeah. Make that happen and send that video to us exclusively, please, for YouTube and the DraftKings Network.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I can't, actually. If you can imagine, the voice I imagine Charlie used is the voice that Charlie uses to impersonate Dan, which is also the voice that Amin uses to impersonate Adam Silver.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Changed my life. I want to get back to the game. I want to get back to the game of what do you tell the person that you're the biggest possible fan of? Charlie went with, you changed my life. Think about that. We have a video, though, I want to play.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
It's the move you do as a writer and you think you can do it just speaking. And it's a real heat check.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The rest of them are. Are we now realizing that Dan's kind of a good writer? Is that what's happening right now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We know Dan's a great writer.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I love Dan. I hope Dan's listening to this. I hope he's not. Have you guys seen a person that you were an enormous fan of and you wound up saying something like, you changed my life to them? Is there a thing? David, who is the person you would most be excited to encounter? Do you have a thing you know you'd want to say to them?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Is there anything else you learned from the most popular television show of all time through podcasting?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
What I mean is that you went to the star of the most watched television show of all time at one point and said, I know what your life is like, I have a podcast.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Are you stalking Alan Alda?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Yeah, I felt, I felt that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Another thing people don't really say anymore is willy-nilly, by the way. Let's keep a running list.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I think you're being Willie Nilly. Nilly Willie. Willie Nilly. Who's going to win the game? I see what you mean now, Dominique. I see what you mean now. That's the best we got. No, look, here's the bad news. Here's the bad news for the steering wheel in front of me. It has the word, there are vultures circling the Elser written on it.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
And that's what I was going to lead with the next time we came back from break.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
They're not just vultures, they're turkey vultures. Mm-hmm Ron we got Ron McGill on to talk about the vultures.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Are they healthy vultures? I can't tell if Chris is feeding me lines or just saying them now into the microphone for everybody. It's hard to distinguish. Turkey vultures, that was all me.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
And he's rolling his shoulders right now listening to compliment him.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
But that distinction of there are superstar calls, and the NBA, by the way, is pretty, I would say, unique. It's unique among sports where it's like every call has room for interpretation. When in the game is it happening? Who is committing it? Who is the person who is on the other side of it? Right. Where on the court is it happening?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
All of this stuff factors into what makes a good call in basketball. And in the end, look, I guess across all sports, though, the reason why I think it's such a hard conversation is because there is truth. The league likes to think of refereeing broadly as a dial to turn. Right? We're over-correcting for some things, we're trying to make up for other things, that happens.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
In the NBA, we saw it, I mean, scoring's way up. What happened? They interpreted the rules differently. Mid-season, and the things changed. In the NFL, there are things that are called now, Dominique, that didn't used to be called that way, because there was an actual change. The specific, though, favor trading of, we are rewarding a superstar team as an entity, That's where I agree.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I deserved that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Go on. Dominique, you should know that David tried to high-five me when I wasn't trying to high-five him.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Yeah, just so Dominique can be brought in, caught up on the show as we do substitute teacher week here. Oh, gosh. Look, I'm not trying to high five you. I'm just gesturing in your direction. The other reason I wanted to bring Dominique in beyond establishing the rules of consensual 90s mode. which I like.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Do we need some fanfare here?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The kids today appreciate that he had it tucked right there.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Looney Tunes is how I learn most cultural references.
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Looking at some tall, dark, and handsome.
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Oh, get to it.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Do you have a specific lie?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Should have talked your way into an earlier plane.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Hold on. I think we have to enter consensual 90s mode before we do that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'll give them a question. We know Amin's policy. Amin will do pro bono Sports Nation for any bouncer or security guard. But if you're an Uber driver who asks Amin, what do you do? Amin is lying his ass off immediately.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
All right, David. I'm just asking. It's important.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Can I bring Dominique back in? Because Amin said something else, Dominique, that made me glad that you were here and available before you get on your flight to New Orleans, which is that Amin was just in Arizona, and he had witnessed a special sporting milestone.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The guy who used to co-host Sports Nation is despondent right now. What's happening?
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You criticize him and his weird press conferences, and you do so less so now, obviously, by the way, a separate story, but the whole point is, look over there at the guy we put on camera at the presser next to Jason Kidd. Don't look at the people who actually had the power to make this deal happen. It's an incredible gift we've given to a person, by the way, Miriam Adelson.
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Just for the record here, was Trump's biggest donor in 2020? These are just facts. I'm not gonna present them with any sort of editorializing. Just facts about who she is.
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I just wanna point out that she was Trump's biggest donor in 2020. She is a super donor to the Republican Party in its most mutated state. Mutated also feels objective at this point. And she is the architect, quietly, of Trump's whole policy in the Middle East. Which, by the way, happens to be relevant certainly right now and yesterday.
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She has been all over the biggest story in sports and the biggest story in politics at the same time. And nobody is really talking about her. And that is an amazing bit of theater for us to miss.
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It's a great question. To me, David, you would... So the reason I love that David is here, by the way... Great question, Chris. It's because...
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That's so rare. When it comes to meat shields and when it comes to people, executives running a team who must be trotted out there to be deeply unpopular in front of the press. To cover for the owner of the team, I present to you David Sampson.
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There's a lot going on today. There's too much going on, I would argue. David hates when I say this to start any show. There is, I would say, it's an unprecedented degree of substitute teacher vibes going on in the studio today. Chris Cody's dancing.
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So this is something that we reported and Pablo Torre finds out that the NBA called me to push back on immediately. The concern had been that Miriam Adelson, if you Google her, is so toxic that the NBA said, we need a meat shield for her. And that ended up being, reportedly, according to our reporting, Patrick Dumont. Well, that's a fact. That's not a report. He is the principal owner.
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He's the governor of the Mavericks. But an anonymous guy who is her son-in-law, who is, in fact, the governor who shows up at the meetings, and it's not Miriam. And all of this, again, is it a distinction without a difference? We can argue about that. Where the money comes from seems to be the most relevant thing, as always.
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As I've been told many times, the answer to all of your questions is money. We should probably think about that. But to Chris's question specifically, what's different about this? Why is this an owner thing? it's because it's Luka bleeping Doncic. He's 25 years old.
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All of the superlatives we've all been saying, five-time All-NBA, five years running, made the NBA Finals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. David.
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If Popovich traded Wemby at all, yes, I would say that the immediate reaction would be.
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I was going to say, so I want to laugh at this and pick it apart. And luckily, Amin El-Hassan has just arrived, the guy who just interviewed, I believe, the originator of the Facebook post in question.
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They're casino magnates, the Adelsons, right? Macau, the Sands.
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Okay, here's another connection. Remember when Josh Harris, owner of the Commanders, also owner of the Sixers, went on Monday Night Football and was there with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck, and he thought that something happening was a high-five invitation? And then he grabbed the hand of, I believe, Joe Buck. That's just what happened. with me and Samson. That was terrible.
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It's one of those things where like everybody feels like they're on, they're like at Six Flags. Everybody's in New Orleans for the Super Bowl. They seem to be, I'm watching Stu Gott's post pictures with Mina at like a sandwich shop somewhere getting a po' boy together. And our task here, David, is to have more fun than them.
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I was not trying to high-five you. I thought you were.
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But even bigger picture, right, when it comes to what the NBA's financial interests here, it is interesting to consider that, right? If you're Adam Silver, the question has has has arrived. Should he veto this deal? Should he have vetoed this deal? And just purely cynically, purely following the money, this is a good deal for Adam Silver to have happen in his league, is it not?
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From a pure, like, Luka, go to the Lakers. Lakers have a whole decade of runway of your next all-time player. Dallas... You'll figure it out. Like that feels like a cost benefit that Adam Silver in his heart of hearts would approve of.
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We started the show by saying we have to be more fun than people in New Orleans. And Amin is immediately saying.
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What is the verdict that you have of how Major League Baseball was at running the Expos?
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So this is why I bring it up, though. It's because Amin is... I love Amin's retrospective, his revisiting of how good a GM was David Stern, actually.
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But I'm saying this because ownership and decision-making, when it comes to when the league is taking over teams, kind of hard to disentangle because the incentives for the decisions you make are different now, right? It's different.
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David, as always, we are 100% right when we disagree with you specifically. I thought it was a sticky envelope.
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That has been, for a long time, the dominant theory.
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But to that point, right, as somebody who is also the voice on Basketball Illuminati at the beginning.
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Quoting a story that I'd written about why the NBA is the league most riven with conspiracy, it's because of stuff like this. It's because there is just enough plausibility for these things to take root. But I want to disentangle, like, what is conspiracy and what is actually just business, David?
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All right. When Amin shows, by the way, Amin isn't here. Amin's supposed to be here. Amin is coming. He was on the list. He's coming in from the airport. Amin has the craziest life, I think, of anybody who does this show. He commutes across the country all of the time.
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But I'm not trying to relitigate the frozen envelope. What I'm trying to get back to, though, is this Luca thing, which Anthony Davis, by the way, via a mean story, has brought us back to.
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And it's well liked, not better liked. Thank you. That's my EP. That's my EP.
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Nipples have been rubbed, and it's like 930. Nipples. Yeah. What did I say?
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Can you pull the video from the last time David and I were here where he tried to dap up Dominique? That's in the archive somewhere.
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They're efforting it, I'm told. There should be now. It'll never be Dan with Josh Norman.
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It's security camera footage of the Clevelander bar. And Josh Norman walks in and there is Dan. And somehow... Dan is basically like grinding on the back of Josh Norman. It's an incredible.
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Well, he has beyond cut it. He is not here. It's not cutting close. He's late. And so I want to get into the NBA stuff because last night I was at dinner with David. We were wearing bibs at Joe's Stone Crab, which if you've never seen David Sampson get bibbed, it is a sight to see. He walks in. I mean, Joe's. Can I just. Chris, you've been to Joe's Stone Crab.
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It's the slow dance. Admittedly, in my mind, it was even worse. Over time, I have reimagined this. It's the step and a half back. he takes with him, like come on.
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What is that dance? Forgot about the Eurostep.
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Need it up east. Interesting. We need to call Dominique.
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Do we need to explain what Joe's Stone Crab is to people?
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It's the sort of place where you're walking with David Sampson, and they immediately come up and say, Mr. Sampson, it's so good to have you back. You were greeted by everybody we saw. I'm not exaggerating.
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That's a you problem, buddy. Do we have a picture of David in this bib? Oh, yeah, yeah. You can pull it off of my, speaking of which, at P.S. Toria on Instagram. It's currently on my stardust. I blacked out. I put a bar over the waiter's eyes for privacy reasons, but you could see what the vibe is. Because you think he wouldn't want to be in a photo with me? I just can't be sure.
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They're right there. We ate at 5 p.m. And none of those people are scrolling through my Instagram feed.
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Can you guys Google Robert Graham for me and explain who this person is? Because I've never heard that name before in my life.
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I know, you always try to say that. And I'm like, dude, we're rolling out the AV cart. This is what we do.
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I do want to bring us in to what I was doing at dinner because what I was doing while on my cell phone was actually doing a bit of reporting. It's what I do. I find stuff out. There's supposed to be a Kevin Durant trade happening and it hasn't happened yet. And I'm not alone in saying this. Jeremy, the Internet has been ablaze.
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Basically, everybody who's even tangentially involved with the NBA has been hinting without reporting Kevin Durant's about to be traded. And they're supposed to be, in my understanding, to be even more irresponsible, like a three team deal involving some major franchises. So what is the latest? What is the Internet telling everybody?
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Who are the Heat supposed to get in this?
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Ooh! Which is funny. Look, I want to talk about ownership, though, because we just referenced just now the Phoenix Suns and their owner, Matt Ishbia. Like, what is he doing? I was hoping Amin would be here for this, but we can pick it up when he's also around. I think that the media in general, the way we talk about the Luka Doncic thing is very backwards.
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I think it's remarkable how much we've missed the forest and the trees. This is a story about ownership. Nico Harrison has gone from a guy, I've never seen, speaking of guys, I've never seen a guy go from zero to one million in terms of nobody knows who he is to everybody has a developed opinion.
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I don't think people even know, largely, that Mark Cuban no longer owns the Dallas Mavericks. And it infuriates me because I did an episode about who does own the Dallas Mavericks, obviously, Miriam Adelson and her son-in-law, Patrick. Where can we find that episode? Palpatory finds out. It's available on YouTube. We have 99.2, 99,200 subscribers come be our 100th, thousandth?
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What do you get for that?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll send them a photo of the plaque. Such a Pablo thing, isn't it? I digress. The point is, this is an ownership story, and it's less so a GM story. As much as the GM story is colorful and funny and amazing, but I just think you must follow the money here. And the money is a very clear...
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it makes it made no sense to me well i'm not buying it look at that it's the feeder of all of it right look and again do i buy that lebron didn't know about this do i buy that uh yeah clutch was not involved when they represent lebron and anthony davis in this and they wouldn't have shared information i don't buy any of that obviously but the owner's story
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This is a multi-billion dollar franchise at the center of which is this kid, is this 25-year-old. And Nico Harrison does not have the power unilaterally to be like, I have an idea. This has to come from the people who own and bought the team. No, the idea can come from the GM, but it has to get approved by the owner. But my point is, the idea can't go anywhere without the owner.
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unless the person who pays the bills is like, yes. And so to your point, I wanna acknowledge the best case scenario for this story in terms of, what were the Adelson sort of aware of? It's that they didn't care. Right. The question of how much should you be as a Mavs fan at the owners of your team?
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The most generous interpretation of the order of events here is that they didn't care when Nico Harrison was like, I have an idea. They said, whatever, go do it. Like, we're not going to spend a ton of time thinking about this.
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David, I think we've drawn the line. The Mendoza line exists in baseball. This is the Luka Doncic line. If your GM comes to you and says, I'm going to trade Luka Doncic right now, I just want the owner to say, that's an insanely stupid idea. That's all I want them to do. They don't have to do more than that. Which is probably what Mark Cuban would have done.
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So the Mark Cuban part of this is for me. That's my favorite part of this whole story is the Mark Cuban part. So refresh our memory, David, because you were out ahead on this. Truly. When it came to Mark Cuban. Getting crushed. Selling to Miriam Adelson and Patrick Dumont.
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I'm trying to set David up for a victory lap, and he's somehow turning it into a parade of defeats.
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This is this is a story about the theater of power who actually has it, who pretends like they have it, who performs it. Nico Harrison is the greatest gift to Miriam Adelson. Not because he got Luka Doncic out of there, because everybody is simply talking about his incompetence. It's the thing with Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell's great value to NFL ownership is that he is the meat shield.
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Trust Jess. Your son, that's a whole different story. Why is Pablo back? I mean.
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Do you like us or love us?
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You wanted it done on Dan Patrick is what you wanted. Yeah, but...
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Greg, that's what I was trying to tell you. Lesson learned here. You don't trust them. When Mike adds you a piece of paper, just read it blindly. Really? Yes. Yes.
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Now, Chris handed him that piece of paper, not Mike. That's a different thing. I don't know.
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But I sold Greg on if Mike hands you a piece of paper. So I think you need to give that. I'll give it to Mike. Mike needs to come back in here and hand it to me.
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He was still playing?
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Millsap last played in 2021. So he was hoping that, you know, if he hung around long enough, someone would sign him. No one signed him. So he decided to retire.
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That's how trust is established. You see what I'm saying?
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Same industry. Only the lead singer is getting shoes.
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And I'm enjoying him enjoying his self-involvement.
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Top of a new sneaker.
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You got to like loosen up the laces down low.
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Let's get notes.
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We got Shakira?
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Maybe eventually not a first ballot guy. I don't like Ichiro as a first ballot guy. I gotta be honest. Are you serious? No. What are you talking about? No way.
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Any more Hall of Fame takes?
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So upset an hour ago. I know.
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And you're freaking out, right? No. You were laughing too?
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In Dan's defense, he wanted Chris to feel what it is he's feeling when he has to listen to his dad. Were we hiding that?
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So, Greg, I will tell you that for 20 years, blindly, Mike hands me a piece of paper. Billy, Chris, they hand me a piece of paper. I trust them. I'm going to read it. I understand, however, why you do not want to do this. I get it. It makes sense to me.
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If I had it in front of me, I would be reading it. Wait for the penalty. Five minutes. Spooning comedy.
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That fool is serving a five-minute major right now.
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I like both of them in the penalty box as Greg is reading this.
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Slowly and sensually. Well, trust Dan is what he's asking you to do.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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which I think says so much about the institution that is college football. A sport where this past Saturday, for instance, Lehigh University doinked their goalpost off a bridge and into their river after beating Lafayette to win the Patriot League.
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And in college, in fact, teardowns like this will happen multiple times on the same Saturday, including on that October day, October 5th, when Vandy upset Alabama and Arkansas also upset Tennessee, and none of our correspondents could have been more eager to dive into all of this than Mickey Duge, an animator and documentarian and illustrator who was last seen on this program sharing the story of his secret life as an underdog goth tennis champion.
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because despite what one power conference executive suggested to us, here Pablo Torre finds out, which is that the sport is deeply concerned about, quote, the safety of participants and spectators alike, end quote, this tradition, this subculture, is also an art form, a currently endangered, unhinged art form, about literal unhinging, that some are now daring to preserve.
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And I don't want to be this guy, but I have to be this guy because you're not going to be this guy, obviously. We are not telling college students who might be listening to this to tear down the goalposts at your local university goalball field. But if they were to efficiently tear down a goalpost... So I can help you.
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Yes.
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Yes, and I would say that the episode we're here to do together is effectively about this concept as embraced by college football.
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I'm just going to stop you and point out that it sounds like you're an instructor in a terrorist training cell.
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What do young people typically screw up when they are trying to tear down a goalpost, given everything you've just laid out?
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I want to point out that this entire time you have been pointing and gesturing and clenching your fist very violently over a bunch of illustrations you've made us very helpfully for this thing we are not telling college students to do once again.
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It is about the tangible objects that people are striving, whenever possible, to risk so much, it turns out, to acquire and keep for themselves.
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But as I'm now just processing all this methodology, which I appreciate the detail on, I realize that the part where we get to keep the glory for ourselves has not yet been discussed. And I presume for this part, we're going to need a tool that you haven't illustrated or taught me about yet.
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How does one become Saw Man? Like, what is Ned Vickers' superhero origin story?
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And Ned, again, is somewhere in that teeming mass of people.
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I am struck repeatedly by the intentionality of Saw Man and his arsenal here, in deep contrast to Luke, once again, who just seemed to show up in this crowd, deeply disorganized with his classmates, and just generally try to throw this thing in the Cumberland River.
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And this is essentially the most valuable pelt that you can take down as a big game hunter.
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Good news for the drunk guy with one shoe. Saw man, as we know, owns more than one saw.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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A local legend befitting local coverage.
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So we clearly have now, Mickey, thanks to your reporting, the first family of goalpost destruction that I have to personally, for legal reasons again, disclaim because as much as this practice is a family heirloom, much like the goalposts themselves, this DIY dynasty is, in fact, legally a thing that we cannot co-sign officially.
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It is self-destruction. It is your own stadium that you are ruining. It is illegal, highly illegal, objectively dangerous. And you have commemorated this on the sweatshirt you've brought us today in studio.
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Great, Baron. Thank you. The decision-making, though, does raise this question about the economy around all this, right? Like the goalpost economy, which is clearly something that is of concern to both police helicopters with night vision and also college administrators everywhere.
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The reason that they are concerned from a financial perspective, how much does the thing that Saw Man loves to saw actually cost?
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So for the buyers, not great. But for the sellers, the goalpost industrial complex, that's pretty good business.
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So it sounds like the defense of Sawman is that Sawman is actually, in this economy, just a job creator.
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There's a certain partisanship in your reporting, I dare say.
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Right, and so this new security system, it seems like, worked exactly as advertised.
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And that, by the way, is exactly what happened this past Saturday when Arizona State stormed the field early after upsetting BYU, it turned out, and Oklahoma did the same against Alabama.
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And at both places, you could very clearly see the hydraulic goalposts that Mickey was just describing rotating down to the ground and then immediately become defended by all that security, where they remained intact. And when it comes to the conferences themselves, because you see all these headlines about all of the money that they're fining schools, right? Who are involved in these things.
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I do want to point out that we here at Public Tori Fines Out did of course reach out to a top SEC official for comment about this regime of fines. And what they said is that these are field storming fines. The price has in fact gone up in the 20 years since the SEC adopted the policy. We now are at $100,000 for the first offense.
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$250,000 for the second, half a million dollars for subsequent offenses after that. And there's also, just in case you were wondering, an additional $100,000 penalty, Mickey, if fans storm the field before the end of the game.
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And I'll say this to the camera. I don't like you grabbing the camera.
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I think we should probably go to break.
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So it's time to bring us all full circle here because the last time we talked about Luke, our Vanderbilt friend, he was topless en route to the Cumberland River, tracked by police helicopters using night vision.
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And now we also know, because of your reporting with the Saw family, that Sawboy, son of Sawman, was also there in the milieu, as you put it somewhere, marching down Broadway towards that very same river in question.
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And so the thing that they all hurled into the Cumberland River together, that all-important metal object, when they get dredged from the water, which I presume they did, where did they go?
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Wait, it sounds like the university, the big bad administrator from the top down, they were doing in the end what f***ing Sawman was doing.
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Like I'm doing some basic multiplication. And this sounds like a relative windfall. for one Vanderbilt University.
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I like how you're grabbing cameras. You're summoning Patrick from... Here we go, Pablo. Thank you to Rob for unveiling. Jesus Christ.
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Hold on. This is on a plate.
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I should also say that, again, for just purely self-protective reasons, it is theft. technically.
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What is—okay, so a fancy box with a velveteen cushion. Oh, my God.
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Oh, my God.
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So for those not watching on YouTube and the DraftKings Network, you've made a terrible decision today. Mickey is taking a hacksaw to what I now must presume is the upright from a local field near his home in New York. And it says, happy holidays above.
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Yes, which is to say that this is an unusually and very special ecstatic revolution that involves all of this property destruction and theft that you describe. And the crazy thing about this season, of course, is that I believe that this tradition has been clearly the theme of what we've been watching.
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That is also kind to Vanderbilt. They're f***ed.
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Which is all to say that Luke's expectations heading into this specific game, October 5th, against Alabama, big bad Alabama, it sounds like they were fairly low.
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Vanderbilt 40, Alabama 35.
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Everyone's storming the field. It's mayhem. What was Luke's plan?
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I just want to point out that Vanderbilt is an excellent university. It's like a really academically rigorous school.
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The video that we just played. Yeah. I mean, if you zoom in, you can pretty clearly spot... That's topless Luke right there. Hands both stretched into the sky. In a V. Right beneath a clearly tipping over yellow metal upright. I mean... That's forever. That's so good.
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There's books, there's a racially ambiguous Christmas elf, if you recall last year's Christmas episode. There's a PS5 controller, a microphone. It's really a junk drawer of a shelf. My wife has accused me of, and she called me this yesterday, okay? This is some late-breaking insult. I am the master of tchotchkes. I think that's great. I agree.
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So I was watching from home, and what you see, both online and in the broadcast, you see what reminded me of an army of just completely drunk ants, right? Just like carrying this object that's so disproportionately large, larger than them.
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I'm going to show a video here on YouTube and the DraftKings Network, which I am deeply proud to show everybody. This is from the police helicopter. And it's in night vision.
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I mean... This is an ant farm. Like, this is... Look at... Bikki. How unreal is that? Just so many, just, again, night vision white thermal signatures. just a crowd of them all just plunging what is now clearly like the dislocated elbow of an upright into the river.
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But that sort of phenomenon you just described of a transformation, I mean, part of the physical object that we're talking about here, it goes from this thing that is so mundane— it becomes this talisman, this piece of genuinely valuable memorabilia freighted with all of the energy of a night like this that people, as you referenced, proceed to then eventually get a piece of sometimes.
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I think stuff, objects, physical objects in digital time. Yeah. Mickey, you're an artist. You get it. Big time. This is important. It's important to commemorate our history. in front of us in real life, tangibly.
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And so this man, who does sound like he has a plan, what is this man's name?
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Ron, when you talk about smart animals, if I put up your dolphin, but I say octopus, because you can put them in a jar and they can find their way to get out of the jar.
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So how do we do this? I know Pablo's one of the only people on the planet that's seen this masterpiece of a documentary with the guy that made O.J. Made in America. Ezra Edelman.
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No, I didn't remember what his name was. No, I understand. He won an Oscar.
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I saw it and I was like, meh.
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How do we get Pablo in a state of I don't know what to tell us what's in kind of the cliff notes of the documentary? Like drugging Pablo, but like a nice way. Like truth serum kind of thing.
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It was like coward. 24 minutes. Can you give us 24 minutes? No.
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Yeah. United we stand. United we stand on business.
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That's the thing.
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Sometimes it's really heavy metal at 8 a.m.
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I don't need that. I never need it, actually.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Lege deine Brightness nach oben, nach vorne. Du kannst deinen Weg durch machen. Ich sage dir, du kannst das tun.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
kyle shanahan the way he decided to not to take the ball first he made it so if he would have done it the way everyone said he should have done it given the chiefs the ball first then the defense for the chiefs could have ended the game i feel like the our narrative is more with mahomes now because he was put in that spot where he needed to go down get the touchdown so we forget to your point dan that this is a defensive led team the defense was the best unit on that team and we i'm not saying i'm not saying defensive led what i'm
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Die Geschichte war Mahomes und Andy Reid. Es ist, weil diese Overtime-Situation Mahomes in den Spot gelegt hat, wo er die Sache machen musste.
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Ich würde mich interessieren, eine echte Konversation mit Chris Jones und Trent McDuffie zu haben. Glaubst du, dass es wirklich eine Enttäuschung gibt? Oder ist es nur so, dass Mahomes unser Goat ist, also ich habe keine Ahnung, wer den Kredit bekommt, wir sind die Champions? Es wäre lustig, mit ihnen zu sprechen, in einer echten Einheit.
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You could make the argument that Trent McDuffie was better than Patrick Mahomes this season. Dude, those corners for the Chiefs were elite. You could probably make that argument. And it's just so funny that nobody, like everyone says Chris Jones, Mahal. Like Chris Jones, I feel like at least gets a little bit. Like those corners have to be like, but I feel like they're not.
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Like we're just doing, we're trying to split them apart. I bet you Trey McDuffie has not had that.
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I'm going on that plane first. See, that's danger. I feel like Group 1, they're checking. That's the only group. Once they get to 3, if I'm like a 5 or a 6, I'm going in Group 3.
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I feel like this is similar to Brady. Brady had some good defenses. Do we think back on any of those as defensive-led Super Bowls?
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Yeah. Thought about it. Wear your khakis to the airport just to fake them all out. My khakis. That's right. Back to Jess, though. I don't know. Dog tags. Is it stealing a water? Because this is how it went down. As Jess... was going to reach for the water, she said, can I have your water? Wow. So it's one of those things where it's a combo.
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I feel like we are going to look back 20 years from now and be like... There was that one Chiefs team that was carried by the defense. That's my wonder.
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I'm never going to forget the way Andy Reid jumped on Chris Jones. Thank you. Das wird die Sache sein, die ich in einem Monat vergessen werde. Er hat auf Chris Jones gespielt und dann hat er es wieder gespielt.
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Vorsicht. Komm schon. Respekt die Defense. Respekt die Defense. Respekt die Defense.
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She was taking it regardless, but she did say, can I have this as she's grabbing it?
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I didn't know he had a truck that he drove.
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Dad, you see the lesson here though is, when you're drunk, drink water. Yep. This is something I had to. Anyone's water. I had to He's like, oh...
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There's few things you can do less than if you did that. That would be worse.
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That would make it even better. I'm reading that there are only Air Marshals on 1% of flights.
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That they still are in existence, but it's just impossible with over 44,000 commercial flights operating every day. It's just impossible for them to be on their flight. How do they choose what flight? I don't know.
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Yeah, they're in the pen. I've heard a lot of people making the Mahomes comparison of like he's entering that. I haven't heard a lot of people putting Andy Reid up there with Belichick in that pen. I think people are saying in this era, he's the best going currently. But you're one of the few people I've heard of like, no, no, no. He's in the conversation now with the all time great.
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Es klingt nicht so, als hätte Belichick ein echtes Problem in dieser Debatte.
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You guys just made me realize that what Kyle Shanahan is doing right now is what Andy Reid did in Philadelphia. So let's be careful here while we criticize Kyle Shanahan as we praise a guy who is on the same exact path that Kyle Shanahan... It's almost impossible for us to anoint Andy Reid if we're going to criticize Kyle Shanahan.
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Because Kyle Shanahan is currently doing what Andy Reid did in Philly. Andy Reid knew the rules. Das ist eine seltsame Sache. Ich fühle mich, als ob die Leute etwas falsch interpretieren.
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Ich habe gelernt, dass du das tun kannst, um dich schnell zu stoppen. Wenn du Vertrauen hast, musst du die Person lesen, die es tut. Viele Male, wenn du in der Gruppe 2 bist, checken sie nicht wirklich. Du steckst einfach zu der Person hinter dir, legst dein Handy nach vorne über den Scanner. Einige Leute handeln das Handy an die Person. Das ist ein gefährliches Spiel. Du musst vertrauen.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Juju, thank you. Thank you. I mean that sincerely. I feel like I picked the worst time to pop into the studio. It smells of PETA. Jeremy's palpably uncomfortable, and I cannot help but contract not just the disease that Dan was alluding to that's been floating around here, but also just the awkwardness from Jeremy.
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Is there anything that people— Wait, you're pivoting off of that real quick. Man, I had gotten generally positive feedback before this. Happy Greg Cody History Month, by the way.
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you can't re you can't hurt me and then tell me how i supposed to react you feel me but at the same time the second man is always flat in football so you got to temper your reactions i i'm just processing still that drake was in australia trying to get as far away as possible from the united states to do anything resembling music that's what i'm about to do and still And still, he was caught.
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The idea that Drake doesn't, he literally has nowhere he can hide is kind of a special thing. I don't know if we've had, I don't know if any beef has resulted in a global surveillance state that will not allow the loser to at least go away.
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here to say that Drake deserves our sympathies I am just here to point out that it's pretty extreme and it's therefore very funny but it is extreme like I don't know if you're look Drake doesn't have any friends right now I don't know what he would be advised I don't know where you go if you're trying to you know prove that you're not bothered by this but a random bar in Australia gotta go further Drake you gotta go I don't know you gotta go to one of those islands with like 50 people on it
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Hour 1: Dan Got Chased by a Bird
I want to, for a second, though, explore the correction that Amin made that is the correct correction. When he says Giannis isn't a free agent, he is someone who would be requesting a trade. The reason I make them the same thing is just because I think of free agency as options, and I think of Giannis as just options. He can
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choose anything he wants why would toronto be the choice he's not going to be traded someplace he doesn't want and people with options go ahead and give them to me kawaii got traded there on a rental give me all of the free agents or coveted option people who have ended up choosing toronto
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The greatest free agent, the Toronto Raptors, or comparable person with options that the Raptors have ever gotten when they get into the bidding against American teams is?
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No, no, but trade. That was a one-year rental.
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Now that I think about it, I think I have to concede that it stinks as a superhero catchphrase. I happen to have a few questions for you. But it works for a TV detective. Pablo Torre wandering the earth, I happen to have a few questions for you, is something I think now in sports journalism, people don't want to hear if Pablo Torre is sniffing around trying to find out.
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He was coming off an NBA Finals appearance. Remember, he hit the game winner against the Cavs. Ron McGill is going to join us right now. I will tell you one of the most shocking takes that we've ever had around here that flew under the radar. As soon as the Orlando Magic got Hidu Turkoglu, Stugatz proclaimed that the best starting lineup in the history of basketball.
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I think you guys need to... Listen to what was just said.
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It echoes eternally because it's such a bad take. Oh, it was J.J.
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Yeah. You want to list that again as the best starting five ever? Go ahead and list the – oh, it's Jameer Jones. Jameer at the one.
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Stugatz. That joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to, did it? We all just stared at you.
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Chris Cody has nominated the tomato tomato as the most versatile of all the foods.
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Ron McGill joins us now. Ron, do you have a more versatile food? And we haven't seen you in a while. You've been traveling, yes? Do you have a more versatile food than the tomato, sir?
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Yeah, potatoes are pretty versatile. It's true. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. More versatile food, the tomato or the potato?
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It's a little hard, yes, to make an excellent drink out of the potato.
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What are you going to do? The potato is made of vodka. Put that on the poll, Juju. Is the potato made out of vodka? Ron, where have you been traveling? One of the places was the Galapagos, right?
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a few weeks so that's going to be a pretty good trip it's doing a documentary out there with uh channel 10 so that'll be a lot of fun i want to play for you here some owls showing affection to each other i'd like for you to give us some play by play here and tell us which of the animals is most affectionate they seem to be kissing here it's like an aggressive makeout session i'd say well they're they're more grooming each other they're they are definitely bonding but it's not
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We will find out together. I happen to have a few questions for you, though. Does sound like the world's lamest threat, does it not? I happen to have a few questions for you.
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They're not promiscuous, so to speak. Why would you say different mate if he just said monogamous?
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And Tony is right that there is an undercurrent on it of I have the answers already, but my happening to have a few questions for you is only because I know the answers. When Tony says those are the best kind of questions, I'd argue the best kind of questions are the ones you don't have the answers to so you could therefore learn. Tony is saying everyone wants to be New York Knicks fans.
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Can you tell us what the most affectionate animal is?
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Because you're saying those owls, that was not necessarily affection. That wasn't necessarily mating. That wasn't... It's bonding.
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I already have the answers. I don't need any of your answers. I've got my alternative facts.
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I think there was some insincerity. I sense some insincerity. You're not going to suggest that to anyone. Ron was recently recognized by the Miami-Dade County Commission Chambers for 45 years. of continuous service at Crandon Park Zoo, Miami Metro Zoo, and Zoo Miami. I believe that in those 45 years, you have never met anyone that you will share this suggestion with. No one living, no one dead.
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You will not do it to a tombstone. You will never make that suggestion to anybody. You just wanted Billy to stop talking. Good point. Okay, thank you. It is bird breeding season. Do you have any tips for us if you find a baby bird on the ground? My wife was late to our first date because she found a baby bird on the ground and she ended up taking it in to a bird rescue place.
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Yeah, okay started like I didn't bomb the bird like Pearl Harbor We didn't start it, but we ended it Hmm, weird. I had this happen to me the other day at the park. You hit it with a tennis racket? My dog is perpetually being attacked by this one bird, but he doesn't know what's happening because it comes and tries to bite its ass, and then he turns around and there's nothing there.
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And it happened the other day where I was nearby. It wasn't even in the park. And it started attacking both me and the dog. And my dog is running around. I'm picturing the dog looking at you trying to bite my ass. My dog was confused. What's behind me that keeps pecking at my ass? And then it would fly away. And it would get too close to me.
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I've got to get my wife to send it because you will hear me say, ah! Yeah. It's a normal reaction. You will hear me be like, ah! That would be cold. That would be cold. That would go viral. That's cold. All right, I got to find this. I got to ask Valerie to send it by the end of the segment. In the interim, can you just look at this from the sea?
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You often tell us that the sea is less explored than space. What the hell is this thing from the sea? Do you know what this is? He says, I don't know what it is, but it's just, you know, one of the... I know it's called a feather star, but I don't know what it is. Is that that that's a fish? That's what is that?
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thing i mean it's unbelievable the things that we don't see that exist that are really real i mean you don't have to do any ai or any of that stuff just look at the bottom of the ocean to have your mind blown let's play for ron uh this dog walker i've never seen this is wild this many dogs for a dog walker i think this is too many i think he's overworked i think that's can't be in this car.
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That's close to 25 dogs that are going into the car.
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Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Have you ever looked at the dog walker and said, that person has a good check coming in at Levitard Show? Oh, Chris Cody apparently has found that he is sending the video right now to Lewis to see. All right, let's play this video as the close to the segment here. Send it to Lewis now. Evidently, I'm judging from Chris's jolly Santa.
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I will show, this was a video that I was sending Valerie, and I just saw Chris Cody, and I recognized from his chortling, jolly Santa laughter that he had finally received the video from my wife and probably heard whatever it is the sound was that I made when this bird had, in its sights... Me and the dog retreating. The dog is dumb and confused.
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The dog doesn't understand what's attacking its ass. The bird's facing me. I am, I'm going to say, about 250 times the size of the bird. The bird is not afraid of me. I am clearly and obviously afraid of the bird. It is a small bird. It's not a large bird. We have a lot of birds around here. But it's flapping its wings.
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I know, but I am telling you, the balcony on my apartment, I did not know before the balcony on my apartment that the crow will be a carnivore that will eat other birds because it leaves bird parts on my balcony.
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Put it on the poll, please. And questions come out of that gun? At Levitard Show, who's more of a journalist, Bill Simmons or Pablo Torre?
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Really? Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is the crow... Did you know... That's a shocker. Did you know... Crows and ravens. That whole family. The crows and ravens are the smartest birds in the world. Did you know the crow slash raven was the smartest bird in the world? Only took a couple bites, too. Left him there to die. Okay, let's unveil this video here. I'm embarrassed.
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This was just something I was sending my wife from the park. I don't know exactly how embarrassing this is. I remember it is embarrassing.
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I think working for Sports Illustrated is something that would classify you as a journalist if you're writing for Sports Illustrated.
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They're not small pieces, they're five takeouts. They're big articles that are about the process in Philadelphia. They're magazine pieces that unspool 5,000 and 10,000 words.
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My kid is in high school and doing that. So you guys think that Bill Simmons is more of a journalist than Pablo?
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We wrote your book. You didn't write your book. You haven't even read your book. You didn't write your book.
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We have a number of things that I want to get to, but I did want to ask you a question, Stugatz, because the other day I heard a sound.
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and I was confused by it because the sound made me think of something that I had not thought of in a long time and somebody nearby said because I just heard music and I thought it was coming from a place that was playing music and somebody said that's an ice cream truck and I'm like There can't still be ice cream trucks.
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With the amount of convenience that we have everywhere, I would assume the ice cream truck business is hurting, even though driving through your neighborhood still makes it more convenient on something that can melt than DoorDash or anything else you were ordering. But would you not assume that the ice cream truck business is a harder way to make a living now than it's ever been?
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I think that's over. I don't think that's happening in neighborhoods anymore.
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All right, well, you just gave us a bunch of different numbers and then made it $300 million, which was a lot less. You weren't listening to any of the numbers you were saying.
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Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Which is the best of the ice cream truck flavors? Let's list this. Strawberry shortcake, the push-up, the choco taco.
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The chocolate eclair. If you go snow cone, you're a monster. That would be terrible to choose the snow cone. Can I please get some kind of remedial understanding of the math Stugatz just did? It's going well. Something increased by 2030 from the number 2 billion to 300 million. How is that an increase?
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This sounds like a video game more than a... I would not buy anything from this ice cream truck. This is the cheap ice cream truck guy who's down on his luck.
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You mentioned video games and kids being inside. Tony, I don't know that anyone around here has made a worse appraisal about what their life is going to be than you before having a baby announcing to everyone here that you couldn't wait to get so much time to now play video games.
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Now that you have a baby that will be in the house, you thought you were going to really play a lot of video games. And then I heard people making fun of you here saying Tony hasn't been logged on anywhere in a month. A month is generous.
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That Tony has disappeared from the virtual reality world that is video games because fatherhood has swept him up into adulthood and he's no longer allowed to be a selfish child.
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What did you think fatherhood was going to be? Easy. I rarely hear the dad right before.
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Congratulations on learning that your time is no longer your own.
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Yeah, I know, but I had to spray it with like a special cleaner.
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Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
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The first 18 months, they're not children. They're screaming shit monsters.
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That is also me. I will tell you that what I do more, I think, than any other action in the world is deny that I was sleeping while emerging from snoring.
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And the snore wakes you up. You're like, what was that? I am so tired that I am waking myself up with my own snore, startling myself, and then immediately lapsing into lying. Who was that?
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I wanted to ask the group here if you had the same reaction that I did, which I thought was funny to have this reaction, where I see the report, Giannis having a mutual interest with the Toronto Raptors, and I'm like, that's not real. Mm hmm. That's not the Raptors and not a possibility for any free agent under any circumstances who has every option.
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The choice is not going to be to be to leave America. However, at the moment, the choice might be Canada, given what's happening in America, because I heard an awful lot of threats that people were going to move to Canada if there was a new presidency. I have not seen yet. A lot of moving to Canada, though I have seen a lot of moving to Britain.
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I still don't, I can't get my head around the Toronto Raptors are going to get the coveted free agent. I don't believe that story.
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I do not deny or am in no way skeptical that Toronto thinks there's a chance.
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The reason I'm doing that is because no free agent who has a lot of options ever chooses Toronto.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Ambition is a word that comes to mind.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Well, we're going to... But is it like... I would tell you, but it's my password to everything and it is very hackable.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, my neck actually does hurt.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
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How is that sort of... maybe evolved itself over time.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I'm like talking to a mentalist, I feel like. Okay. It's very dear to me.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Well, now I'm very insecure about what I project. For people who don't know Jerry Sells, by the way, thank you so much for being here.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Sure, sure, sure. I mean, by the way, speaking of money, right, we're talking in the week that I believe a Magritte piece just sold for $121 million.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So where does art that is meant to pay tribute fit into your worldview on how art can be beautiful and rigorous and a story in and of itself? Because, Jerry, you famously, I'm not overstating this, you critiqued a presidential portrait of Barack Obama. Oh, yeah. By Kehinde Wiley. Right. Very famous artist himself. I said it was sh**t.
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The Kehinde Wiley portrait for just those who did not... Do you like it? Well, so here's the thing that... It's realistic. So I went to see his work at the Brooklyn Museum at one point, and I was struck immediately by the concept, his sort of thing, which is, I'm going to transpose black figures into regal, and you're nodding because, of course, you're familiar with this, but there is an ornate...
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regal aspect to the background, to the filigrees, to all of it. And I'm the guy, by the way, who saw that and I was like, I'm going to buy the book at the gift shop. This is cool. Good. It is cool. I guess my issue is, in retrospect, is my evolution in taste happened, is that he just kept on doing it again and again and again. And it became formulaic, admittedly.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
And it sort of felt like he had one idea and he managed to execute it a zillion times.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, well, this is the ideal audience for me for this specific episode, I think. Because I know of you as, of course, the guy who won the Pulitzer Prize for Criticism in 2018. Right. I am a magazine nerd, a journalism nerd. Practitioner, but also acolyte in an era where that's intimidating.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yes, Dwayne Wade is maybe the greatest player in Miami Heat history. He is the guy posing as such. Fists bald, mouth open. Right. Ferocious. Right. And it raises the question of when you are making a statue, a work of art that is meant to be a tribute to someone. Right. And the first response that everybody has is, that f***ing doesn't look like Dwayne Wade.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
$100?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
$200? We don't know exactly what was paid, Jerry. Do you like it? I don't. But I also want to point out, when it comes to resemblance, how important is it for the statue of somebody to be actually a photorealistic depiction of them in real life?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Does it do anything for you if I play a video of the artist's response to a larger reaction?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So that's Omri Amrani, I should say, the co-sculptor, I guess.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I feel about you to say allegedly, I guess, in there somewhere, but I don't want to step on your critique.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, how long away are we from that?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
What do you think of this sculpture? Are you familiar with this work? Is that Rocky? This is the Rocky statue.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yes.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Discus throwers and... Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Oh, and by the way, the kids out there should know, this was an Oscar-worthy screenplay, performance, all of it. Actually good.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I love that you have no f***ing idea who Dwayne Wade is. I mean that so sincerely. I'm sorry. You're the most pure sample that we could have for this exercise. So I love it.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Sure.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. I would like to submit... More. Let's see more. Can we get Michael Jordan on the screen, please? The greatest of all. So this is how they commemorated the greatest, his airness, outside of the United Center where the Chicago Bulls... I love the figure underneath him.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
There is a humongous aspect to the person he is dunking over.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So this was one of the two guys that made the Dwayne Wade sculpt.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
No, I agree. Yeah, this is much better. This is an amazing statue that I can imagine Dwayne Wade and Miami Heat were maybe like, can we get our version of that? And they brought him the thing that we evaluated.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Can we just show you Brandi Chastain for a second? Who's that? Brandi Chastain, all-time American women's soccer player. And this is her Hall of Fame plaque, the Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame. And this is her in real life. What's the sport that Brandi... Soccer.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Eleanor Roosevelt, perhaps.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
No.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Her view was, I think to your point, quote, it's not the most flattering, but it's nice. Yeah. That's not untrue. Right. It's good to be remembered. Right. Not great is that she also looks like Gary Busey, I guess.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I think it's like the rictus of what is her left cheek on the right side of the image, just like the indentation feels Busey-an.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, yeah. And then lastly, the last, I think, case study for you is just Cristiano Ronaldo, who I presume you have no idea.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Oh, okay.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But wait a minute. So Yankees-wise, I am here to report that I was at Game 5 of the World Series. Wow. And that felt like a grotesque performance art at a certain point. Yeah. The fifth inning, just the worst inning in baseball history, arguably just so many self-inflicted wounds.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
The eyes are doing a lot here.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I mean, that is wild. The artist's name is Emmanuel Santos. That's the artist? That is Ronaldo. Okay. That is Cristiano Ronaldo. So, by the way, does this statue look more like the artist who made it or Cristiano Ronaldo, famed as one of the most angular, beautiful, symmetrical faces in human history? Your mileage may vary.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But in a vacuum, you love this specific work.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
There's one more thing I'd like you to evaluate. Yes. If you can hold until after the break. Jerry, you've stuck around very generously, and we brought in Sophie from the other side of the glass. Love it. Because this is an original work that I have not seen. So we'll be viewing this for the first time together, genuinely. Okay. Not a bit. I have not seen this. I'll let you react to it first.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Okay. I want to give some identifying information. This is by Jim Victor and Marie Pelton, a couple from Pennsylvania. Their chosen medium is butter. Butter. And Sophie, will you unveil the sculpture? Very delicately from the, I mean.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I don't know if I've ever felt the feeling that I'm feeling right now.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
It's hard not to think that this person is more handsome than... Me. I should probably reveal for the audio audience that my staff has commissioned a butter sculpture of me.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
The texturing of my hair, I want to say, I don't know if there's a better, I don't know if bronze can do what butter is doing right now. There is a bit of a... I'm smizing, I think. I got to come over. Yeah, let's rotate the microphone for... How do I get this over there? I think you can just rotate it this way.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
This is f***ing incredible. Like, it is covered in butter. This whole base.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Touch the sculpture. Touch it. Jerry and I are touching it, and it's legitimately dairy.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
It's legit dairy.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Do you have a mustache? I do. In this, I have what I aspire to. I have the mustache of my dreams. Butter Me has the facial hair I desire. They were generous with a healthy serving above my upper lip.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I do. Yeah. I look like I am more in charge than I feel day to day. Have you ever evaluated a butter sculpture before?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I want to get to the idea that you as an authority on art and art criticism are also somebody who is online. The reason I started with your password is because you're also somebody with a giant, a legitimately... thriving community around your online presence. How do you describe your relationship with social media?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I mean, if you were to display it.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Jerry's going to take a photo of this.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I'm staring at myself in the glass. You are? What do you see? Next to my butter self. There. If there was no one else around in this room, there's not a lot I wouldn't do to this butter sculpture of me. Butter me and I would explore each other.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I feel like something good has happened that I don't entirely want to celebrate, but inside... You have to celebrate this. Inside, I am overjoyed. In my eyes, they're telling a story. What's the story being told? These are the eyes of someone who is encountering... Maybe this is literal. Maybe this is figurative, Jerry. They're encountering their first prostitute.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
In Jacksonville, Florida. And they're thinking to themselves, I think it's time.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Mostly that maybe you actually can buy love.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Jerry Saltz. Thank you. I'm going to remember this day for the rest of my life.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I mean, what you're describing is stuff that might be found in museums, right? It's great art. This is like high art.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Other than that... Let's cross out my will there be time travel question. Yeah, see?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But as for the other questions that I had prepared to ask Jerry Saltz, who is again, simply one of the most respected authorities in the entire world of art, you should know that the premise for this episode first came about because the highest honor that sports bestows upon an athlete or a coach is in fact a work of art, a statue.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
a statue which, as you may have been reminded recently in the case of, say, Dwyane Wade, is not always as popular as the person it seeks to honor. And so I wanted Jerry and his Pulitzer and his three honorary doctorates and his decades of criticism to basically serve as PTFO's unbiased and completely overqualified art critic, as you'll see in a bit here.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But first, I think you need to understand the origin of his truly incomparable point of view. I do want to establish that you yourself, I mean, is it were an artist? Is it a present tense thing? How do you conceive of yourself in that definitional way?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
That is so far all true.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
And yet in that story, that deeply bleak story that happened to you in Jacksonville, Florida, there is a lesson for me. By the end of this episode, I will determine exactly what I should take away as a lesson from your streak of prostitutelessness.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Are we rolling, Chris? You want all of this. I unfortunately... Okay. We'll start again when you're ready. No, we've started. Okay. We've started, if that's okay with you. Oh. The thing that I didn't realize until just a second ago when you walked in here is that you don't know your own password to your Instagram account? Yeah. Do you know yours? I do. What is it?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Interrogate's a great art critic word, by the way.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I want to actually jump in on that because as an artist yourself, I do want to reveal that I've done a minor bit of research, Jerry, into your oeuvre. But I jump in to say that you won the National Endowment of the Arts Grant. Right. You were in museums. You were reviewed in art forum. You were in galleries. Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So I want to get to the idea of envy, but I also want you to describe to me what you were making such that maybe those feelings were bubbling to the surface.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I just got to Google to make sure that this is a hypothetical right now. Hold on real quick. Jesus.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I'm just making sure that this is not a trap inside of a trap. What are you texting? I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. Cut out the part where I had to Google anything. I'm going. I'm there. Of course I'm there. He's the most popular person on a show that is... Soon to be allegedly dearly departed, that changed my life.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And Woody Page, even though he used to steal my FaceTime topics during the show after I used to say to the producers, I do feel like I owe him a debt. And it's a literal debt because my daughter is going to a private kindergarten probably next year. So, you know.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I might be performing at it. Technology.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I mean, look, sorry about David Sampson, who will tell you all of the ways in which he is going to actively.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Give me an and I'll get a sense of whether I can truly, yeah, be entertaining enough for you while also preserving my own human dignity. J.A. Adande. Oh, come on. He's awful young to die. This is all of the Around the World panelists? Yes, J.A., I... Look, yes. Clinton Yates. Can I go? Can I leave now? Tim Kalashaw.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
No, he'll be there just for the celebrities. Where am I on the seating chart? I mean, that's the thing. If I get a plus one, you know. All right, goodbye.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Did we get our first no?
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Yes, yes. Honestly, if I got to give a speech at Vivek's funeral, I would consider it. So on my show, we have a story today that's very interesting. It's how in living color. you know, the TV show. Yeah. How it changed the Super Bowl halftime show forever. Yes, it did. Super Bowl halftime. Amin, okay, Amin maybe knows some of this story. It's incredible. It is an incredible story, yeah.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Oh my God, it's 1992. Wyatt Cenac was a guest on this with Sarah Spain. We had a lot of fun reliving this. Wyatt wanted to make an in-living color documentary. Couldn't do it, but we got to get What he found out, which was some of the inner details of how a 1992 Fox dared to steal audience from CBS, which was doing a halftime show that was emblematically horrible.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And I'll save the details for you guys to lick, to click and lick, I guess. But it's it's remarkable how we owe a debt. to the Wayanses and David Alan Greer and Jim Carrey for birthing like the biggest piece of cultural real estate in America.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Married with children. The Simpsons.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Just know that the following year, the NFL was so threatened, so threatened that, A, we have no idea who even bothers to compete anymore because they followed that horrible halftime show, which you should watch. It's in the episode with literally Michael Jackson. Like they were like, we got to bring out the nuclear weapons. We will never be embarrassed by sketch comedy again.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I would like to know his VORC, Value Over Replacement Commissioner. We should have analytics about this. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying we should debate this. We should debate this in the way that we debate athlete contracts.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Goodbye.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Yeah, I do like that Cam Newton is now like an ombudsman character. I just appreciate that. I like his hats. I like his journalistic curiosities. I'm into it. The thing that he is saying, though, I mean, look, Amin is fundamentally right. Like, of course, these are lawsuits where people are afraid to comment because there might be further litigation.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
They might get sued themselves or be liable for stuff. I get it. Not the same. But but the notion that cams at with like, hey, this is humiliating. You make us talk about this. Why don't you talk about it? You could have put in another example. And I think the point would have been well or better made.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
There is a bit of a hypocrisy when it comes to media people not wanting to answer tough questions that we would expect. out of the public interest, celebrities in general, to have to answer. And now, Dan, to your point, the fact that everybody is a public figure, the fact that everybody is public enough and interest, the bar on that is so low because everybody is interested in something weird.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Okay, well, maybe there's an audience member who wants to know the answer to this question. It's as messy as you're painting it. I think the distinction between you're famous, you get paid a lot of money, Therefore, we can hold you to account to tell us how it felt when you did something publicly that was embarrassing. It's just not about athletes.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It's not about celebrities, actors, Hollywood people. Everybody now meets that qualification. And so, yeah, it's uncomfortable. We all everybody in talking to microphones should be uncomfortable that someone like Cam Newton wearing that hat is going to be like, you should feel the way that I feel.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Well, I think one basic thing that an athlete, for instance, could be frustrated by, understandably, is that we know everything about how much money they're making.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
That's true. We know all of the details. And in fact, we know them to the point where we argue about it and how they don't deserve it. And in reality, right, like again, and the excuse had been, I mean, you know, this again, having having explored such cap sheets. The example was justified because they got paid so much.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And and and I just think that the thing we're trying to bridge all of the time is when do you have so much economic, cultural celebrity privilege that you get a higher degree of scrutiny? And I think there are just a lot of people around who actually don't want that. And shouldn't want that.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And if they knew that this was maybe going to come for them, wouldn't wouldn't want the athletes to have it meant protecting themselves. And I happen to be one of them. So, like, yeah, it's uncomfortable. But then you go into the realm, Dan, of like, hey, sports is different. And then we have to just we have to just explain very carefully why we think sports is different.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And maybe there's an argument there. I'd like to make it, but it's an increasingly less persuasive one.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Yes, I think. Look, I think the immediate hypocrisy, right, is not. And this is where I would push back on Cam, I guess, like the real the real beneficiaries of the unequal treatment between athletes, let's say, and other people may be similarly situated, increasingly similarly situated. Is it media people? It's all it's their bosses.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Like, you want to know, I would want to know, hey, your front office, what are you guys getting paid? Right? Like, it's uncapped, number one, typically. It's a fascinating thing. What would you spend on executives when there was no restriction on how much you could pay them? And the Goodell thing is maybe the most flagrant one because the answer invariably ends up having sticker shock, right?
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It's like 50, fact check me, please. Jeremy, I trust your journalistic ethics. Please tell me what Roger Goodell has been making the last couple of years.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
But can I I do want to make the case for why sports and athletes do deserve to be held to a degree of scrutiny that is higher than just, let's say, again, the average citizen. I mean, it was hard. I remember Naomi Osaka, the tennis player, of course, basically making an argument.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I fundamentally feel not just uncomfortable, but I feel that it's unfair that I Naomi Osaka gets scrutinized in my most like emotionally harrowing moments after a defeat by people who are just trying to picket the bones of my life. It feels mean. It feels cruel. It feels unfair. It feels, in her view, I think institutionally like just wrong. And I do have an argument against that. Right.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Like the whole point of performing in public fundamentally is that you get the benefits of the crowd, but also the pain. Like if we are to consider what you do important, people are going to care enough to dissect it. And at a certain point, adversarial questioning. And again, there are lines, of course.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And Dan, as a columnist, you know, those lines where it's too far, it's too mean, it's too invasive. But generally getting asked hard questions that, by the way, you can say no comment to or you can evade it however way as many as Derek Jeter used to all the time in New York. You have the right to do that. But the questions should be asked.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be held to a degree of scrutiny. That's crazy relative to an average person. I just think that it's fair for them to then say, well, what about everybody else who I think would fall under that same criteria of public benefit and therefore public pain?
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Yeah, I'm curious about that. Sorry to interrupt. Dan, how do you feel about that? Like the locker room reporters out of their dynamic?
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
One of the funniest things is when I went to cover some Final Fours. I was in Houston covering the Final Four for Sports Illustrated a zillion years ago now. And it's the one place. I don't know if it's still the same way. Maybe someone can correct me who's been more recently.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Oh, Dan. Oh, my God. I was sitting in front of Drake. Drake and Vince Young were behind me, and I was like a fact checker at Sports Illustrated. God bless how they used to respect us.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
85, that number had doubled, now half a million fax machines. And now it's journalists, it's doctors, it's lawyers. It's that scene in Back to the Future 2 where old Marty McFly gets fired via fax.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And so in the era before the internet, before DocuSign, before all of this, there was this question which I did not appreciate because I was a little kid at the time. But everyone seemed to be asking, which was, what's your fax number?
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Wait, I don't know this.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
That was our home number.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
No, no. It's right here in the city. It's the same as 212. They just multiplied it by three. And then they added one to the middle number.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
according to this book, faxed the rise and fall of the fax machine. Americans were faxing, quote, pizza orders, song requests, party invitations, greeting cards, ski reports, amniocentesis results, baby footprints, children's drawings, vows of eternal love. I had forgotten that this was not merely a business machine. This was people enjoying the novelty of communication. It is magical.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
You send a piece of paper in one room and across the world, it shows up in another. It is pretty f***ed.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
You've Got Facts is a very different rom-com. Agreed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, wouldn't work at all. Now, in sports though, the business that you worked in, there was one national holiday that to me is the encapsulation of the centrality of the fax machine.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
We had a box in this studio yesterday and the cleaning crew, our great cleaning crew here in our building, threw out the box containing like the headset because they thought it was trash. They're like, this can- It's being disposed, this relic. This must be a box containing like rotten fruit or some sh**.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And so National Sports Facts Day was a thing where Phil Knight, co-founder of Nike, would sit in the football office at Oregon, his alma mater, on signing day and just stare at the fax machine. So- Deliver us. Deliver us our next great star. It got to the point, I mean, Ole Miss, they were obsessed with this. They had a Canon IR C3080, and they had a play in their playbook called Fax.
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The Wall Street Journal reported that at the University of Miami, the fax technician, this is a quote, didn't show up until the morning of signing day. Sure enough, the machine broke down after the first couple of letters, causing the staff to scramble to get recruits to send their letters elsewhere. End quote. It was not merely ceremonial.
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This was actually like the legal procedure to actually register your commitment.
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And if you didn't have it, if the machine was broken, you got f***ed. And to be very clear, this is not a hypothetical scenario. Because our journey into the history of faxes and letters of intent led us to this guy.
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In 1996, Darrell Price was a blue-chip running back who had verbally committed to the Ohio State University. And all he had to do was fax his letter of intent from his home in California to Ohio.
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Faxed, delivered, paid, done. That lady at that convenience store had officially turned the page on Darrell's life. But after he left the convenience store, something felt kind of off. Ohio State's coach, John Cooper, at the time, had personally recruited Durrell. And, by the way, OSU, a powerhouse, had finished top three in the nation five years in a row, which was awesome.
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But now, as Durrell headed home, he was thinking about how far Columbus was from his neighborhood in the San Fernando Valley. He started thinking about how nearby UCLA had also been recruiting him.
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Right after this ad.
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And that is how Darrell Price wound up at UCLA.
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Must have hit a preset. The spirit has now taken over.
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A whole other episode in our ongoing series of technology. Can you imagine losing out on that prospect because you're a fax machine? He couldn't figure it out?
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One addendum to that story, Jay, as we both are laughing at John Cooper and Ohio State, is that his mom was right, apparently. It was not the last time this happened to Ohio State, because 20 years later, National Signing Day 2016, coaches were waiting on their final commitment. This was a big-time recruit, a wide receiver, and the Buckeyes fax machine ran out of paper. Wow.
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Oh. Oh.
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Right.
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Communications etiquette. And now it's just like, here's a JPEG out of nowhere right into your brain that I didn't ask for.
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The reason I brought you here really is because of the most famous fax in the history of faxes. Certainly sports faxes, I would argue faxes in general. And it happened 30 years ago this month.
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Hey, Mikey, we like it. Not a huge surprise, but clearly one of the great comebacks since Burt Reynolds' hairline. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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This was the same thought that everybody from Bulls fans to Bill Clinton in the White House was talking about and thinking about aloud.
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And there's just this one clip from The Last Dance, of course, the docu-series made by our friend Jason Herr, which was about 500 minutes long. But there's this 30-second chunk of this specific moment in which we hear from David Falk, Michael Jordan's longtime agent.
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And tomorrow's. Whoops. The brother in Telefax. Whoops. 1570 MC.
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So the behind the scenes of just the crafting of this document, when it comes to the call that David Fox's office is going to make, Paint the picture there. What's happening from their side of the transmission?
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They failed to anticipate the internet, PDFs, email, all that. Didn't quite anticipate tomorrow. J.A. Adande, head of Northwestern's sports journalism program, my friend and colleague from ESPN, also longtime sports writer, just inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame last year. Congrats, by the way, on that. Thank you. That's pretty cool. That was pretty cool.
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Yes, the following statement was released today by Michael Jordan through his personal attorney and business manager, David B. Falk, chairman of Falk Associates Management Enterprises Incorporated, FAME, in parentheses, located in Washington, D.C., in response to questions about his future career plans.
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He and his agent Bernie Lee just did it as their whole squabble with the heat was unfolding this year.
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I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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This is one of those historical sports stories to quote now Marshall McLuhan, where the medium was the message. These are pale imitations, J.A., because what Allison had to do, individually sending it to every outlet one at a time that arrived in their offices unbidden, shockingly.
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The quote that she gave you in your reporting, it wasn't like sending a mass email.
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There's no BCC. It sounds like a horse and carriage is what Alison Sadowski told you about her memory of what happened when she got out of the shower to realize, oh my God, I'm about to become a historical character they talk about 30 years later this month.
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But what happens on Sunday, again, you said it was Saturday, setting the scene again. It's Sunday, March 19th, 1995. And conveniently, it's the NBA on NBC.
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Oh, right.
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The Avengers of sports columnists.
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Today, an artist returns to his true canvas, the hardboard courts of the NBA.
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Michael Jordan is back. you know Thank you.
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Thank you.
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The fax machine helped me get there. Did you thank the fax in your speech? I should have. What do you feel when you're now communing at this table with this machine that I haven't seen since the 90s?
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Thank you.
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Just, like, the visuals on this. We are inside of the underbelly of a brewery. There's a giant... Is that... What kind of metal is this? Just, like, very big aluminum sounding. Hi. How's it going? Uh, I'm Pablo. We have a fax machine that, uh... Your name again? Nikki. Nikki said we could plug into a phone jack here.
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We're faxing a guy named David Falk. This incredible hospitality from Torch and Crown Brewery. Holy . John, you're a mensch. The machine is telling me to please wait. Just in case you were wondering what this fax said. Quote, for immediate release, contact Pablo S. Torre, 513-85-Pablo, New York, New York, March 27, 2025.
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The following statement was released today by Pablo S. Torre through his personal friend and business manager, Pablo S. Torre. Host of Pablo Torre Finds Out, also known as PTFO, located in New York, New York, in response to questions about the future of fax machines. I think it's working. Oh, it's working. It's alive. It's alive. It's beautiful.
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Quote. We are so back. End quote. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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All of which was essential to how sports and journalism worked.
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This studio is a time machine today. We are traveling back in time. Do you remember the relic on our desk here? I do.
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And this Chinese family saved your journalistic ass that night.
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For the kids out there, this wasn't just an American phenomenon. This was global.
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This is, she is, well, I guess he is, the brother and telefax 1570 MC from, I believe it's a mid-90s vintage. Ooh, the sound. Those beeps.
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Until now, 33 years later.
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The degree of difficulty when it came to filing something, it's truly unrelatable to people living in 2025 that you had to go through all these hoops and all of that.
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Because it was not the easiest thing to make what feels now like the most automated part of this actually happen. Do you have memories of fighting this machine? Of like struggling with the premise of this machine?
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You saw Francis Ford Coppola, director of The Godfather, sent his agent a fax that he could not refuse.
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This machine here, though, I mean, by the way, this is, for those wondering, not watching on YouTube, this is a Chekhov's fax machine situation. We are going to fire off a fax by the end of this episode. I promise to do that.
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So from Francis Ford Coppola to Michael Jordan, down the line, what we're here to do is tell the story of a machine that shaped the history we all know, even if we never really appreciated it. how good we had it. And also, I think it's going to take us back to a time that we wish we still did.
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The haptic sensation of pressing a keypad on a... And again, this is... Yeah, reach over there. Yep. It feels good. We don't do that enough. No. We don't dial.
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The history of the fax machine, I don't know if you've become familiar with the deep dive that we have personally been doing here at Pablo Torre Finds Out. But you can trace a line back to 1924, and there's this guy, an American, named Richard Ranger. And Richard Ranger invented the photoradiogram.
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And what he did with this photoradiogram was wirelessly send a photo from New York to London of Calvin Coolidge. That was the first fax transmission. It all starts with that. And then 1966, to fast forward, it's Xerox, and they introduced the Magnafax telecopier. And this is the thing that connects to any telephone line within merely six minutes. And you're willing to pay the long-distance toll.
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Do you remember Almost Famous? There's that scene where Rolling Stone wants William, the protagonist, to send his story to the fact checker.
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Oh, my God. That is now the mark that people are trying to improve on. So 1974, we're down to three minutes a page. By 1980, and this is, I think, the big globalized revolution, the Japanese make this commercially viable. And at this point, by 1980, there are approximately 250,000 fax machines in the U.S., And they're being advertised. There are commercials.
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pressed a button. When was the last time you beheld a 15 by 15, eight and a half inch high gray device that was essential to your former life? was instrumental in my childhood memory. And also, this is not a joke. We bought this on eBay.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. That's why I signed in Milwaukee, so I can get free, secretly, for life. Right after this ad.
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actually did very clearly say, I'm gonna miss this and then missed it.
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He's like the opposite of Babe Ruth.
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All of these guys on a relative basis are themselves like sideshows. These are... Relatively speaking, Scrubs, Kobe Jodes, Kristen Thompson this season, Beaubon. These are circus acts in a circus promo just having fun off to the side, basically.
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I now am remembering how Giannis, you know, won All-Star MVP and decided to celebrate in the way that you are alluding to.
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your enthusiasm to talk about bricking for chicken. Yeah. And the resistance you have faced around the sport that you know as well as anybody. Explain why you've been eager to talk about this for people who don't know what any of this even is.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner. And yet, none of this has to do with the promo that we're talking about, Amit. So this is his love of chicken in general, but what about how he's interacted with the incentives that we're dissecting?
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It's such ridiculous video that I'm overlooking the fact that Giannis just had a cell phone on the bench, by the way.
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But okay, so granted, fair. But in terms of his personal at-the-line performance, not as a spectator, right? Not as Marcin Gortat, but as somebody with something to lose or, in this case, win. How does he do?
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So now we're at the tabs open on now both of our computers. I'm trying to run through the research here that you've assembled for a term that you dropped on our audience as if anybody would know what the you're talking about. Yes. But chicken eligibility. Yeah.
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Right. You've created a helpful graphic here. Chicken-eligible, parentheses C-E. Any free throw where a miss on that individual shot would result in the activation of a chicken-based promo.
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You're moving us from counting stats now to... Efficiency.
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Of course, of course I must agree with this.
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So just to over-explain this, CCR is the rate at which a player will miss a free throw with chicken on the line. Yes. And so Giannis Antetokounmpo, when it comes to his conversion rate, when he's chicken eligible, I mean, is what?
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8 out of 10 times, Giannis is converting free chicken for the crowd.
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Yeah. That's pretty bad.
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Yeah, but he's also a bad free throw shooter, though.
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Famously, people count down. Crowds are mocking him by pointing out how long he takes to shoot a free throw.
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Even that guy you're saying becomes that much worse when there is this incentive at stake. It strains credulity.
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It strains my credulity that you know to pronounce credulity.
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But this is where I just need to continue to channel the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference and point out that the theater, and it is convincing theater, graphical theater, full of lots of terms. The theater you're giving us is kind of small sample size theater. Like, I'm looking at the graph. When you say 80% and I say 8 out of 10, I mean, we're talking about 10 shots here.
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So you land in Phoenix, you land back home, and the Bucks are visiting. They're the road team. There is chicken in the air. But you want to go ask questions, journalistically responsible questions, of the person that we are theorizing about. How hard was that?
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He has a reputation, if you're not familiar with the reputation, that he doesn't, for all the videos we played, doesn't actually like giving time to us journalists.
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That was an episode of Severance. You're running down hallways that don't go anywhere.
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I mean, to clarify why the thing we alluded to before, we actually did need to do here, the doctoring, the voice modulating, the blurring of this secret video. Why is this so secret? Why aren't we seeing and hearing what you heard and saw?
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The question you asked, as soon as you articulate it, which we did hear, the implication becomes... Wait a minute, I should answer this very carefully and perhaps not at all.
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This is where, as I was hearing what was transpiring, I was like, Oh, so the Giannis that is the most vocal global ambassador for chicken in this regard is the exact opposite. Right. And the general, by the way, the flavor around even the champions of chicken. Like, I mean, it's worth pointing out too. Eventually... We here at Palo Torre Finds Out, we reached out to Marcin Gortat.
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And his response was what? How would you describe that?
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With the like sweat bead.
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Dot, dot, dot, gridded teeth emoji.
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So Giannis doesn't want to touch this. The people that we think would want to touch this actually do not at all. But there is a game that night. Yes. And so what happens when the ball is tipped?
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Right, F-O-W-L.
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At his chicken party. Yep. Is back.
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I mean, again, rational brain wants to enter the conversation, okay? So as much as it's a signal that something that is total proof of your theory is happening, I mean, like, that was a two... I'm looking at the score. That was a two-point game. The Bucks badly needed this. The whole theory that Giannis is being incentivized because of his love of chicken and because of his love of...
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frankly, humanity, the theory that he's doing this on purpose, I mean, again, they need these wins. I mean, why?
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Wait, you're saying that Giannis Antetokounmpo has been using chicken the way Elon Musk has been using money to win elections?
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It is a shock. I did not realize that. That is actually quite shocking.
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He's campaigning across the aisle.
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We're now, we're firmly in the realm of trying to climb into the mind of someone who does not want us to see inside.
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I mean, I guess I can totally believe that you have dragged me to this point, but it's time for us to make one more call. So the very first thing that you need to know about the guy I'm about to call here is that he is Giannis' older brother. One of five Anadokumbo brothers in all, four of whom, by the way, have made the NBA, which is its own incredible story.
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But Thanasis Anadokumbo, crucially, is the only Anadokumbo brother to have played alongside Giannis. Thanasis was a third stringer when they won a title together in Milwaukee in 2021. And the two are so close to this day that Thanasis still lives and works in Milwaukee right alongside Giannis, whom he calls his best friend and his partner.
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And so while Thanasis' two-time MVP winning brother would not take a call from Pablo Torre finds out, most especially during these ongoing NBA playoffs, Thanasis, I was told, actually would. Because Thanasis and I also happen to share something very important in common. An incredible affection for the truth.
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And this is a lesson, it turns out, that Thanasis has been heeding at home with Giannis and in locker rooms around the NBA, and also now on his own podcast, which he titled Thanalysis, which is, you know, a pretty good name. Gotta admit. And so at this point, I just decided to ask Thanasis straight up about the truth behind Brickin' for Chicken.
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I felt that in Mike Breen's loins, by the way.
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Which you may now recall from earlier in this episode with Amin, when we talked about that game where Giannis somehow had a cell phone on the bench, was trying to scan that QR code off the Jumbotron to get free chicken alongside everybody else in the building. And this memory got the Nasses thinking about a different game, actually, from a few years ago in Atlanta.
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Was any part of you, Thanasis, if you were aware, if you were aware of the free food you could have given that city, is there any part of you that was like, man, I wonder what it would feel like if I missed the second one.
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Well, this is the thing I'm fascinated by is that the crowd is trying to root you on, but the opposite, right? They're actively trying to get you to miss because the free food thing is a magical lure. What I'm curious about is whether you're aware of how much free chicken your brother Giannis has won people around the NBA.
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In the past two NBA seasons, Giannis has had 10 chicken-eligible free throws. Okay. Okay? So this is the second crucial free throw with chicken on the line. We call them chicken-eligible free throws. Okay. And he's had 10 of them, and he has missed eight of them.
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He is the league leader in chicken eligible conversion rate. No one has given the NBA more free chicken in that way than your brother. He is the Robin Hood leader.
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What's just funny is that, like, the love you get, though. So we went through and just watched what it's like when you miss... the second free throw, and you do, when your brother does, what you refuse to do because you sank that second one, man, it is like they would have voted him for president. It's an amazing thing. Even though he's not American.
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We're living in crazy times, man. That doesn't really matter anymore. We can do whatever we want. But here's the funny thing. I am now curious. Do you think there's any part... of your brother in his mind, deep in his brain, that is hearing the applause and is thinking to himself,
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So the argument you are making here is that Brickin' for Chicken is changing meaningfully the course of basketball games in a way that has even exceeded the whole novelty, marketing, sponsorship kind of design of it.
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The statistic I have to follow up on that, though, to continue this investigation, is that we also tracked...
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yannis's free throw percentage when it came to other types of food that were on the line and promotions okay so the non-chicken foods okay non-chicken food eligible free throws over the past two seasons yeah with non-chicken eligible shots he made five of eight five of eight he doesn't want to give people bad product he won't he only wants to give him
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I don't think there's a bigger truth you could tell, Thaddeus, than what you just said.
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Thanasis Adedokumbo, a true truth teller, thank you for solving a mystery that I can now finally have some peace about. Put the rest, okay? Man, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Anytime. And at this point, there was only one thing for us left to do. it was time to summon our intrepid correspondent back into our studio for a piece of something else.
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So Amin Alhassan, I just have one last thing to tell you, which is that thank you for not bricking this assignment. And as your reward, We got chicken.
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Yeah. The least shocking twist of this story is that both of us honestly are f***ing starving. Bones?
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Honestly. Flavorful. I get it.
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Sometimes all we got to do is say thanks.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The inflection point, the cliff. Clearly. The cliff that the heat fall off is directly overlaid onto the moment when Chicken was up for grabs.
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Business nirvana for the NBA. Also, I am told reliably, a business nightmare for Meadowlark Media, which has funded, truly, a new high when it comes to the we-paid-a-mean-what-to-investigate-what-the-fuck graph.
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Let me just close out all the windows on my computer. How many tabs do you have open on a given day? Eight billion.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a risk that I was expecting to have. Didn't expect it to get this dangerous this quickly, though.
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And I want to get into the minds of the players. I mean, you promised me entree into the psychology of NBA players who have all of this at stake. But in terms of how this works, this stunt originated, where does that begin?
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Yeah, the old let's just throw all my laundry in a different room. When your tabs look like LeBron James' Instagram stories after he wins a championship, it's time to acknowledge you have a problem.
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Which is a hard thing to do over 43 years when you're selling the Washington Wizards.
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No matter what. Where the business side, where the basketball of the Wizards lose side is protected. And also the Chick-fil-A side gets what they want.
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It's funny just to remember how, like, golf works. Mm-hmm. and golfers hate when the crowd is interfering with their rituals, how their sport has always operated. How did the NBA react to, yeah, a bold stunt like this?
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I can't believe you've been on this assignment for us, that your life is like this, by the way.
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Did Martin Gortat actually get the chicken he was promised?
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We'll come back to that a little later. So I do want to point out something about pro athletes, which is, yes, all of them can afford lots of Chick-fil-A. Yes. But there is something about watching a Polish-born NBA player with, like, a Zangief Mohawk just, like, enter into a room in America full of free chicken that feels like kind of the dream he was promised.
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We've been arguing already about, can we even show the footage that you've collected that I have not even seen yet? And I don't know if legally we're allowed to, but we'll get to that, I guess. But like we're talking about blurring and voice modulating. And this is sensitive in a way that I did not presume when we assigned you this.
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He has a new nickname. He has a new identity that I now will think of every time I think of Colby Jones.
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Hold on. So you are alleging that these NBA guys, because of this incentive structure with free chicken, are betraying their franchise by taking— free chicken and giving them to the people.
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Okay. Now, in the case that I know you are trying to build, there is clearly also just some guys trying to spin their own failures into something positive that they can then, you know, make jokes about.
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I thought you might say that you thought that I might say that.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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But the list of people who deserve a private jet, number one is Red Panda.
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So just to keep the counting.
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We've already talked about a prodigious amount of vomit, an alleged assault. Alleged? And then also the mascot of a school that is presumably based on the guy who makes the decision on whether you go to hell or not in St. Peter's.
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But the West region, Roger— Sorry, we derailed you in ways that are now too difficult to summarize.
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I can't stop laughing at your general suffering.
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I am now realizing that this is what I had previously only known as that trash can team.
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So just... This is post-game and dude walks in and everybody is already in ceremonial.
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Yes. It's a little violent. The towel being snapped repeatedly only to set up the elbow drop.
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That's like Deion Sanders sh**. No one does it like her. She's a star. Should be a Hall of Famer. We've tried to crusade for this. We continue to crusade for this. It's a pablatory topic for sure. I mean, she's just the greatest.
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So how did this start though?
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We're just, we're just whipping these orphan.
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This is a real, by the way, just a tremendous reclaiming of trash can beating that I thought the Astros had just totally monopolized. And they're like, there's still, there's still meat left on the bone inside of this trash can.
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You know, I don't know what happened. I'm going to guess that they eventually also beat that trash can though.
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The East region, Roger, as you spin the globe.
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So that's a kangaroo next to a giant letter A. Yes.
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I can only imagine that zip is involved, but no.
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I know zero other facts about the Akron Zips.
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The BF Goodrich Company is what this Wikipedia page is instructing me to point out.
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Yeah, I mean, West Virginia has a literal coonskin cap-wearing, rifle-toting man.
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So Chihuahua guy, for those who are not familiar with Chihuahua guy, the Chihuahua does what?
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As established.
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I had not thought about this statistic, that the Delaware Bluehands and the Akron Zips have the only explicitly female mascots.
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In men's basketball, yes.
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The amount of reporting that has gone into these observations you've made is genuinely kind of breaking my brain.
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Right after this ad.
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There's something in there. I'm not... Well, anyway, I don't want to... Don't look at me. Sorry. Ever since I found out that the kangaroo was female, I've gotten really uncomfortable with my observations about the kangaroo.
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The Sugar Bears.
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The guy is the course.
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Which is to say that you are picking the Akron Zips to upset Arizona in the first round.
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Let's take your blimp south. Roger.
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I've only seen the guy. As the course.
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They were D2 last season?
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Well, all I got in my mind is, you know, the Little Mermaid.
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I just applaud them for avoiding a lawsuit despite the similarities to this.
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I cannot possibly interpret that clip as anything other than an allegory for Lucy talking to her dad at a North Carolina-Iowa basketball game.
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Before we get to that, Prince Eric, also, I'm filing a retroactive lawsuit against you. Yeah, what's the age gap there? Age gap has got to be huge.
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That feels like the most realistic part of the male-female dynamic depicted.
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I don't know what Atlantis' age of consent is, but we are picking UC San Diego to upset Michigan. The Midwest.
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I would like to see a North versus South side of the bracket now that you mention it. I'd like to re-litigate that in every possible facet of American life, including this tournament.
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How bad are we talking?
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It's a reasonable inquiry. Has any granny actually shot granny style as we watch? Yeah. Yeah. So this dude is large, I should say.
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The patron saint of granny style.
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An inspirational tale of a mentor and a mentee.
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Christian Stoynev, Illinois State graduate, 2013. You know what's— And Scooby. Scooby is the Chihuahua? Scooby. The Chihuahua that sits atop the physical human platform that is Christian.
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I think this is, I mean, if there's any ambiguity around how different college basketball is from the NBA, Just know that there is a center who is shooting 28% who hired a personal consultant who clearly was dying to be asked to do this. Yes, he flew for California. No one calls Rick Barry to do the thing that Rick Barry has been waiting for someone to ask him to do.
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We've optimized everything.
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Wofford over Tennessee is the pick.
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Lucy, you guys have been simpatico for most of this taping.
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But you have a take, Lucy, that I want Roger to hear. So proceed.
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I agree.
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Now, you say that, but we were looking at this photograph, and this— Oh, we lost that game. I mean, just to give the visual on this, Lucy, who looks to be 15 1⁄2, is wearing an Iowa No. 1 jersey. Yeah, we were No. 1. Right next to you, though, well, to your right is a guy who's not nearly into this to anywhere close to the degree that you are. But to your left is, who is that?
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It is. We don't really think about that, but you're totally right. You're totally right that on the calendar, when it comes to monetizing your dog, it's your— Your talented dogs. That's right. It's talented dog season.
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What does that mean?
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High production values on the costume.
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Does he like Elvis?
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What a job, though, if he didn't.
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I'm just trapped in a prison of my own devising.
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That does feel like when the mascots of two different schools who are also the same mascot but slightly different do encounter each other.
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At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, we go around the room and we say what we found out today. Roger, would you like to lead us off?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I found out that your friendship, Roger and Lucy, can survive anything. Even possibly a macho waterfall of Lucy's vomit.
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I also found out that the actual North Carolina ram has enormous balls.
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This computer has seen a lot worse.
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I mean, I just want to thank BOFA, you guys, for joining me. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Roger Sherman, Lucy Rodin. I am not somebody who goes on the road anymore in the ways that I want to. But how would you mathematically add up how much time you spent at college campuses over the last year between the two of you?
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Lucy's frowning at her cell phone.
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One time feels, based on the total opportunities, to get various stomach viruses. Not bad, yeah.
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Was it a Tracy Morgan at Madison Square Garden situation?
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I am told, so I conducted a brief investigation. I am told sources close to Tracy Morgan inform me that he is okay. Okay.
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You've got Tracy Morgan sources? Roger, I got sources you never even dreamed of. That's incredible.
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Not quite courtside at the garden.
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Share and tell. I apologize for laughing.
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One quick question. Is there any chance because it was so green that people were like, that's not vomit?
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Oh, man.
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Which is all to say that in the time that you guys hung out together, Roger remained unvomited upon.
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This is the journalism that we all aspire to.
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Tough, tough scene. So this is the time when we contemplate. Yeah, the cosmic celestial fates of the teams on this bracket. They gave us paper brackets. We have paper. I don't have a printer. We have printed out paper brackets.
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You guys have spent so much time around college students, college athletes, that your interpretation of how this is going to go from a metaphysical level is actually news I could use. And Roger, I feel like you have done, as is your want, as is your Substack's whole deal, a genuinely insane amount of research. So how do you assess the four quadrants on this bracket?
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No.
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So just for the record, though, so like Duke and Cooper flag. Who? Not interested, but the fact that Cooper Flagg's mom is very angry at Carolina. I love her. Lucy is already making noises.
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No more hopes and dreams.
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Those got vomited out in a Nissan Sentra.
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You do realize when you're doing the Lucy 16-year-old voice, it's literally the same as Lucy in the present tense voice.
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You look 15.
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What? I'm sorry. I got assaulted. I feel like I am responsible for retroactively filing a police report. So here's how that went.
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Right. So in other words, quote, a big F you to the entire Carolina fan base for being classless a-holes.
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Our investigation continues.
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I find it very difficult to disagree with your rankings of who's the bigger a**hole based on your personal experience.
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I was assaulted. Roger's writing down notes on his breath.
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I'm going to cross UNC off too.
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Red Panda absolutely does not have a private jet.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on. You're saying this is the real-life Ram? Yes, yes, yes. With anatomically, like, just in real life.
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I once went, so I used to cover the NCAA tournament for Sports Illustrated all the time, and I remember going into a bathroom at a regional, And into the bathroom, as I was at the urinal, walked Ramses. And he went into a stall. And now I realize if I had peeked into that stall, I would have seen some... Some things.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think I took a photo of this.
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That might also be illegal.
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Yeah, real, like, Disneyland Mickey Mouse smoking a cigarette vibes.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
I think there might be a Tony Award for Greg Cody later on this year, by the way.
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The Tony Show, Tony Awards. A gala.
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By the way, he is so back. Love his blind host, him and his wife. They're doing a great job. A wife, not so much.
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Travel, obviously, for wherever they're coming from. First class, I'd imagine.
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You guys don't ever get, you get these, like, little glasses of orange juice sometimes. I would be insulted if they gave me this and I said, hey, let me get a glass of orange juice, and they hand me this.
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It would be in a smaller glass is my point. Fill it up to the top. Okay.
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No, it's too much. I did. Stu, remember you went to mine?
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Greg, how about more of like a renewing of your vows, right? You guys do it big, right? Right. You and Erlene, all of a sudden, it's like walking down the aisle just like it was in 1974. Yeah. Right? And you look back and you see Uncle Dick there, still your best man.
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Like eight years? No, you can't do it on an odd number like that. Even though it's an even number, you can't do it on an odd number. It's got to be like 25 maybe?
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I could see Tony doing it. He'll do it tomorrow. Me and my wife have talked about doing it. Taking everybody to Hawaii, doing it in Hawaii on the beach.
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You have cute what? I call her Bebe. Really?
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What does she call you? Bebe. Oh, okay. Sorry. The same one.
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There you go. Don't love that as much. She calls me Roy. That feels like you're perpetually in trouble, though. If she calls you by your first full name, like whenever I hear Anthony, I know I'm in deep trouble.
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And Jumpin' Charlie. That's your pet name right there.
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Do they have cars? What? Do they have Canadian cars? They have a Hyundai.
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Yeah, but they don't have like a car that's made in Canada, like a Canadian car.
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No, no, no, I know, I get that, but we're calling them American cars, but are there Canadian cars? I think there are. I believe, yeah. What is it, like Kia from Canada or something? No, that's South Korea.
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That's what I'm saying. There's no car brand that is a Canadian car. They use our stuff.
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It's almost like he doesn't like farting, right? I think that's the issue.
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But Dan, you're like Lance Armstrong. You're like blood doping. What's going on here?
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PTFO - Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Not a TSA.
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What is the noise that you're hearing?
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And so as you're waiting there where Charles Flores' family would have waited... What are you expecting?
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What's staggering is that that guy, the guy you just quoted, William Prince Davis, is not alone.
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In a way that almost makes me wonder, so we're in a Supermax prison. Where is the talking? Where is the conflict? Where is all that?
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John Burks, inmate number 949. His last statement says, quote, the Raiders are going all the way, y'all. Y'all pray for me and it's going to be all right. That's it. And it's time to roll up out of here. It's going down. Let's get it over with. That's it. June 14th, 2000. And so this is obviously the most remarkable proof of the power of sports that I'd ever encountered.
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No, the perspective that Charles is offering here about how death row is not exactly what you'd presume it to be, it is sort of juxtaposed against the way that he as a Cowboys fan is exactly what I presumed him to be. Guy who's still complaining about Dak Prescott.
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It raises other questions to me about, like, okay, the rituals of Charles Flores and his fellow Cowboys and football fans on death row. Game day. What's that like?
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Oh, it's the pride of someone with a chili recipe that they are bragging about on a Sunday morning.
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It's right up there in the most predictable brags by any NFL fan, along with check out how my fantasy team is doing.
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Just that alone, this very basic fact, you're about to die, killed by the state, and you want everybody to know that the last thing you cared about was the Dallas Cowboys.
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I have never felt worse about forgetting to check my lineup. That is what it takes to play fantasy football on death row.
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That part. Right. Right.
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Yeah. The nefarious part is that they're playing apparently in a two quarterback league. Just like, what are you guys doing?
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I have so many more questions about scoring system, waiver wire. It's easy to get lost, again, in this familiar minutiae of what it's like to just be a football fan.
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It gets to the point where him saying the most obvious thing that we all knew heading in is now the thing that is most jarring.
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So give me the scouting report on Charles Flores, the football player.
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And also, therefore, what's it even like to love sports on death row?
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And so his family then, this is a football family we're describing.
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Talking to your family about the Cowboys through letter writing is such a, it's just a sad, it's a sad thing to do for a quarter century and counting, Phlegm.
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Is that dangerous? And so with these curiosities in mind and with me immediately, immediately just saying, okay, this is assigned to, Who do you decide to reach out to?
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You know, this notion of sports as an escape. I don't know of a more vivid manifestation of that promise than what Charles is describing there.
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No, and there is this one statistic that I do want to just read to you for the record, because at least eight death row prisoners at Polonsky, where Charles Flores is, where his fantasy football league is, at least eight of those inmates have committed suicide in the last 20 years.
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Right, because we can smile while talking about our favorite sports.
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All of this reminds me now of why we got into this story in the first place, right? This website, this database of last words said by people who are about to be executed.
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What did Charles have to say about that in specific?
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They don't want to concede that he's going to have to give his last words at all. This is where you should know that Charles Flores has exhausted all of his known legal avenues for petitions and appeals. His attorney, Gretchen Sween, told us, quote, in order to bring new claims, we would need new evidence sufficient to convince a court to reopen the case, an exceedingly high burden, end quote.
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But there is another change that I think is worth you knowing about. because on September 1st, 2023, the Texas State Legislature enacted a new bill, a bill that Governor Greg Abbott, by the way, had vetoed in 2021.
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But Texas Senate Bill Number 338, citing an alarming amount of unreliable eyewitness identification testimony, officially prohibits any future testimony gleaned from forensic hypnosis as admissible evidence in a criminal trial.
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which is a dramatic but not retroactive change, meaning it does not help Charles Flores, who is waiting as we speak for a new execution date, a date that could be announced at any moment now. All of which is why I was also wondering how this unthinkable degree of uncertainty, of injustice,
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might logically impact the patience of a long-suffering Cowboys fan when it comes to the thing he loves the most.
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And so given that mix that you just heard of totally sincere hope, of longing, cut with a resigned familiarity bordering on sarcasm, We did want to find out more about how Charles Flores viewed the opportunity, more broadly, to have his last words memorialized for all time on that database, even if he very understandably did not want to personally preview his own final communication on Earth.
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But how does one arrange an interview, Phlegm, with somebody on death row?
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Dave Fleming, thank you for taking this trip, accepting this assignment, and reporting this story.
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Since we taped this episode, Dave Fleming, you should know, has continued to trade emails with Charles Flores, his new pen pal. And Charles, for his part, wants the PTFO audience to know that he has now made peace with the fact that this year is not the year, officially, for his Dallas Cowboys. And that more information on his case can be found at FreeCharlesFlores.com.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Ark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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And so the prison warden okays this, the inmate in question okays it, his attorney okays it, and then all that's left is for us to be like, do we really want to send one of our correspondents to a supermax prison?
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Right after this ad. You're listening to DraftKings Network. Dave Fleming, time is of the essence with this episode in lots of very real ways. Thank you for being here. My pleasure, as always. This one started, as many great things do, with a website I had never heard about.
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PTFO - Watching the Dallas Cowboys on Death Row: Our Visit to a Supermax Prison
And so I do need to establish just who it is exactly that we sent you to go and visit with, because the inmate in question is somebody that we had to collectively and exhaustively research and figure out why exactly this man had been sentenced to death by the state of Texas. So who is he? What is his name?
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And I do think we just gotta clarify this because he's in solitary in a supermax prison, has been for a quarter century now, but he was an accomplice to a murder, not the actual killer, we're saying.
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Charles Flores got that execution date because of something in Texas that I want to briefly explain here, which is called the law of parties. Which is to say, if you are an accomplice to a murder, you are going to be sentenced, treated as if you are also a murderer.
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So this is where a show that otherwise enjoys diving deep into the worlds of, say, athlete-branded weed or celebrity family feud, for instance, should probably explain the bizarre details of why Charles Flores was not executed as scheduled on June 2nd, 2016, and why the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals finally granted him that stay of execution just six days before that date
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Because all of this has to do with the eyewitness testimony that led to the capital murder conviction of Charles Flores in the first place. You see, the eyewitness in question was the victim's neighbor. And what she reported seeing on the night of the burglary was a car with two men driving up to the house across the street.
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The driver, she easily identified as the aforementioned and eventually admitted gunman, Richard Childs, a white dude with long, dark hair. As for the passenger, what this neighbor recalled was that he was also white with long, dark hair.
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But Charles Flores, a local drug dealer who was one of the police's main suspects... absolutely did not look like that, as you'll see. In fact, this neighbor failed to pick Flores out of a lineup.
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And what happened next was something that I didn't even know was a real thing until I started studying this case, which was that the neighbor then submitted to a longstanding practice that has been around since the 1950s known as forensic hypnosis.
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Forensic hypnosis is basically what it sounds like. Police investigators hypnotize victims and witnesses so that they can relax, ostensibly, and then recall traumatic events with an even greater clarity.
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According to a 2020 Dallas Morning News investigation, police in Texas had used hypnosis in this way nearly 1,800 times over the past 40 years.
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But Charles Flores, again, was one of the main suspects. And over the following year, as this case proceeded, something else happened. His actual mugshot got plastered in newspapers all across the state.
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And so the thing that spared Charles Flores in 2016, six days before that scheduled execution date, and after more than a decade, by the way, of exhaustive appeals here, was a groundbreaking new law, a Texas statute passed in 2013 known as the Junk Science Law. Now, in recent decades, as you might imagine, the credibility of forensic hypnosis have been called into serious scientific question.
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Evidence has shown that police hypnosis often distorts witness memories and leads to false convictions, and 27 other states, at last count, have banned the practice for this reason. And yet, while Charles Flores did get granted that stay of execution, as well as a new evidentiary hearing in 2018, relief still was ultimately denied.
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Prosecutors claim that the eyewitness testimony in question wouldn't have mattered anyway, because they had other evidence placing him at the scene of the crime, and the Innocence Project subsequently filed multiple amicus briefs in support of Flores.
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His lawyers, meanwhile, requested that the case be tried federally before the Supreme Court, and that request, as of January 2021, was denied as well. So, from a purely legal perspective, This is where the story of Charles Flores stops. But for us, of course, it's where our story begins.
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All of which is to say that the case of Charles Flores is this case that is a larger window onto capital punishment as an institution in the United States still today. But I also recognize that it wasn't exactly the easiest assignment for a reporter to receive.
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The very basic premise of there's a publicly available website that records the last things that every executed prisoner on death row in the state of Texas says, you're mesmerized, right?
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PTFO - Share & Gift & Tell with Domonique Foxworth and David Samson
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. You a side piece. Surprise! Right after this ad.
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Stay over. No. You know, when you're the coach of the Jaguars, maybe go to the restaurant that has your name in it. Never do anything Urban Meyer style. You have no room for the Holy Ghost. David, when you're the president of a baseball team, how much were you saying no to stuff in the flow of a season when it came to special treatments?
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What's the most absurd ask given this array of possibilities that you hated to get because it felt like way over the line but was very common?
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You got a ham. You got a cheese. You got a little Capri Sun.
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So just to spell that out.
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Wait, wait. You developed a citizenship test for someone's relationship.
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So, again, this is a difference. You said I want paperwork with a level of just arousal there that I just feel like.
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So I was going to get to that. I love you, Mickey, by the way. We certainly believe that less than we did before you said that story.
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I was going to wonder aloud about the bottom line performance criterion of just, hey, is this guy actually just worth it, right? He's still hitting. He's still the guy we need to give the ball to at the end of the game. LeBron, again, famously, just to add another example from recent history, remember when Phil Jackson got in trouble for the posse comment? Mm-hmm.
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He got in trouble because he was objecting to the treatment that LeBron was begrudgingly given by Pat Riley, who was running the Heat, because LeBron got to dictate his travel schedule. His friends, like his business partner, Maverick Carter, as well as his other associates that he wanted to bring along.
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He got in trouble because of... He used the word that felt like it did not reflect an understanding of the legitimacy of those guys and also the racial history of America in general. All of these things are true. Thank you for clarifying that, Dominique.
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But the point being that he's LeBron, of course.
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Yes, I'm talking about player empowerment, right? And what we're really talking about is superstars getting to dictate terms in a way that reflects their understanding of the scarcity of their talents.
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All right. It's time for me to take the wheel back. There's another story, David, that I thought of you when I was reading it because it is titled, The Allure of Microdosing Ozempic. So there is a whole, and Dominique is giving a face that I think is the right reaction when I say, David Sampson, I thought of you when I was reading this story.
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And the subhead is, some people are taking tiny amounts of weight loss medications, hoping to drop pounds while avoiding side effects. Does it work? And the spoiler alert on this is that there is no real solid scientific consensus, but it does seem like there is a community of people that is seeing benefits from this in a way that feels both encouraging,
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because it speaks to, again, the way the body's chemistry and the science of both weight loss and hunger are actually shaped by levers we can pull, but also seems like it's too early to spike the football. We've solved the problem of people struggling to lose weight. And I think of David, Dominique, because I don't think a lot of people know this necessarily.
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And David, forgive me if this is not the intro that you wanted, but weight is something that you personally have learned had to reckon with, despite the fact that no one would look at you and say, that is a guy who is struggling with weight.
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And David, when you say you were sick and had a disorder, that was the way you lost weight. What are you describing there? Just so we can bring people into this conversation.
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That is the work of a structural engineer. That's a build? God damn. I told you. I don't lie to you guys. And that in some ways is its own concern. The share and tell topic I brought with both of you guys is this Juan Soto topic. And there is a part of the John Heyman reporting on this. He's the guy who's been on top of all of this.
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Hold on. Hold on. David is clearly comfortable enough to want to talk about this. Okay. I have a real conversation in real life with David. He can vouch for this. And then I'm reading all these news stories and I'm like, wait a minute. This is something that I want to talk to Dominique and David about because David is as described. I am somebody who has had an incredible metabolism.
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And Dominique, I've shared this with you, but it's really just me calling myself out. You know, it's like, oh, wait a minute. Am I pre-diabetic now because I'm not eating healthily? Which is the thing that I have, by the way, last blood test, I've gotten out of it for now. We're all pre-diabetic. I know. We're all day-to-day, as they say.
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But the point being that I am feeling as a dad, like when David said I cover my stomach with my arms, you may notice on the YouTube or DraftKings Network that I was also doing that for the same f***.
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reason and i am realizing my metabolism is is done and i need to figure out uh my own issues with like how do i look in public and dominique is of course a former professional athlete whose physical health has been something he invests in in a rigorous way and so here we are three legs of a f***ed up tripod and i just wanted to revel in that for a second we reveled
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David, the word you use, which I think is appropriate, and by the way, I do want to acknowledge, right? Like, the reason I find all of this especially interesting is because we are dudes. And this is typically something that women, of course, are socially conditioned to be horrified by. And we've seen many movies about that. This, I think, relatively less so, which is why I want to lean into it.
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But you used the word before, which is dysmorphia. And I think that is a good word for this because it of course describes a feeling of profound unease or dissatisfaction, but it also indicates that there is a misalignment of reality and perception.
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And so when David is the guy, David, who is analyzing a table of hotel key cards with numbers, and he's a guy who is examining a stadium and picking out every little flaw and making sure it's right, it does track that you would turn that same gaze onto yourself.
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in a way that indicates, even though you're the guy who also, I don't think you've said this explicitly on this show, this bluntly, you're the guy who once ran how many marathons and how many continents and how many days, right? Seven and seven and seven?
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I feel like that sort of proved my point actually, the one I was gesturing towards. But David, the point being that of course you're also that guy. You can't turn it off.
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He tends to be on top of Scott Boris represented athletes, if you've been paying attention to the game within the game. But he has great color on this story, David. And so I just want to read a part of the reporting. Of course, Juan Soto, now a New York Met. They outbid the New York Yankees. The Mets paid $760 million over 15 years, a record price. All that stuff is true.
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I feel like we should go with a bit of a holiday spirit topic. And I want to know the best and worst gifts you guys have received.
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David, you give him a prompt. He's like, got it in a second. And it makes me think that he has contemplated every question I've ever asked anybody ever. This is not rehearsed.
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I did not prep you guys about this.
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I believe it's called mens rea when it comes to the criminal law. What is the motive here that you have diagnosed?
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I do love that the guy who can't stop paying attention to the most microscopic detail is given three years in a row the same gift again.
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So I agree that, and I was going to pivot to sort of how gift-giving in adulthood as a parent has been so much not about me anymore to the point where, like, I can't remember, but... I want to go to the Sega Genesis thing for a second because that feeling of like unboxing a gift is both something that I, on some level, am chasing, even if I don't totally know it.
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And I know that others are because the most popular, of course, genre, one of the most popular genres on YouTube, of course, is unboxing videos in which you're watching other people unveil their gift. And so there is just something about that feeling of being a kid, getting a present, and the promise of this is exactly...
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It's the promise of your emotional needs will be satisfied by this material possession. And over time, that has been worn down to such a raggedy nub. But at the time, as a fellow Sega Genesis haver, I remember that exact Christmas of being like, oh my God, this hedgehog is going to make me happy. And it did for a while. And now as an adult, I'm like you, Dominique, I am not a good gift giver.
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But it seems like one thing the Yankees would not budge on, which was startling to me, was the inclusion of a suite, a luxury suite. Quote, the Yankees felt they couldn't give a suite to Soto as part of this deal. When Judge, Aaron Judge, pays for his suite, and even Derek Jeter paid, they were willing to discount a suite, but not alter their precedent.
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I am a self-gifter where I'm just like, okay, I feel like- If you want it, you buy it. Yes. So the worst gift I've given is the gift I gave to myself, which is I am one of the idiots who bought the Apple Vision Pro. Oh, there it is. Me and David Sampson, both raising our hands. We bought the VR headset.
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Amazing. First off, we should talk about re-gifting. But how many times did you use it, David, before you decided to re-gift it? It was unopened.
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It was bad for the goose. It was traumatic for the goose. It's goose shit, but it's a goose nonetheless. I don't think we necessarily agree on the meaning of this idiom.
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I don't... Did you guys ever do the thing where you gave... I remember giving my mom this.
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Yeah, I knew you were going to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You write a custom coupon book, and it's like, I will clean my room. I will, whatever, not play Sega Genesis. And you would tear them off and hand it to your mom. Ever think, David, you're familiar with the coupon as a... Creative project?
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What happened at the party?
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I think that's it. I think that's it.
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I was going to say, it's rare that the control room weighs in through my ear and just says, David is bumming everybody out.
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Meanwhile, Steve Cohen, one of the 100 richest men in the world, apparently, quote, didn't give the suite much of a thought. When he has his eyes on a prize, he is singularly focused. And so Juan Soto got the super duper duper star treatment. And it made me think about the ways in which there is, in fact, levels of superstar treatment and gifts and benefits and privileges.
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What did we find out today, guys, on this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, an episode in which we found out, I think, a lot of stuff, personally. Yeah. But, Dominique, do you want to lead us off with the revelation that you have developed here today?
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I found out that both of you guys are bad at finding out because all of those things should have been obvious from episode one that we ever did together. Oh, man.
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I invoke superstar privilege. The show is over. Get the f*** out of here. Thank God. See you later, guys. Thank you. Love you guys.
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And both of you guys happen to have, I would say, personal viewpoints, I assume informed by your roles in your past lives.
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Yeah, it feels vague and fluffy.
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I think it's interesting, though, that Dominique's brain went to a place where mine did, which was, there is something, though, about the furniture that you have to see every day. There's something, David, famously, Barry Bonds had the double-wide locker as well. There is a list of examples. throughout sports history.
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I mean, Giannis Antetokounmpo, you might say that Thanasis, his brother, just being around, him getting the other deal. Is that a benefit, like an extra wide double locker?
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What I find so interesting, David, also just to sort of characterize this. It's interesting to think about this as a zero sum game, right? Like in terms of real estate roster spots, there are only so many of these that can be given out. And so someone is actively not getting something if the super duper duper star is getting it.
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And your view in terms of a guy who had to worry about, okay, here's the payroll, here's the composition of the clubhouse. Your view was how often was that challenged by this privilege?
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How was he on the culture? How was he phenosis-like in terms of impacting the culture of your clubhouse?
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I don't want to relitigate Bronny, but Dominique, as somebody who played in the league, how obvious was it on the teams you played for that actually there were guys who were getting stuff that you guys could not dream of getting?
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Yeah, Joel Embiid, I was going to say, famously just got in trouble because Tyrese Maxey was calling him out, allegedly, reportedly, for having the temerity to show up and treat time as a construct. Was it mitigated or unmitigated? It seems like it was increasingly mitigated. Yeah, yeah.
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Do you guys ever do a joining room slumber party?
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Oh, man. What'd you get? What's your custom build? Yeah, what do we got? Can we guess? Can we guess? You won't be able to. What? He has such little faith in our ability to predict David Sampson's whims, Dominique.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Yeah, my guy.
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Castle.
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And then I went blank. The world is waiting for this, obviously.
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I just like the idea of just like it's you and a bunch of people throwing some stuff.
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So you're being tested.
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Wait, just to explain this, though. So Tom Brady would tank a throw to test you whether you're paying attention. Yes.
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What's the biggest difference between a baseball player and a football player? When it came to how you learned about their wiring and their methods?
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Someone's not trying to actively murder them at the moment.
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Is that right?
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Why are they afraid of the baseball?
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I want to get to the larger trend that we're seeing in baseball, which is velocity. The average Major League Fastball is 93.7 miles an hour now. I mean, I'm old enough now, Tom, to regard that as nuts. It's crazy. 94 is the resting. That's mediocrity.
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Did you ever think that we'd get to a place where, I'm looking at, again, the statistics here, that five pitchers last season would average 100 miles an hour?
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What does it mean?
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So myelination, I am now realizing when you say myelination, it is not referring to miles and mile per hour. It is M-Y-E-L-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Exactly. The process of forming a protective insulating layer called myelin around nerve fibers in the central and peripheral nervous systems, obviously. Yeah.
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Is velocity at this point, now that it is achievable in ways and to a frequency that is kind of mind-blowing, does it feel like it's overrated?
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The ceiling, though, is 118.
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Yeah.
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Did you ever do steroids, Tom?
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Yeah, I was going to say, let's turn the camera around the other way now. You're at the plate.
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You're moving faster than your brain can actually articulate the thought.
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Just fact-checking Greg Maddox, for instance, a guy you worked with who is famed as the craftiest.
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Right. So the Randy Johnson thing, just as a matter of comparison, right, his whole architectural advantage is that he could release the ball because of his height and his wingspan closer to home plate.
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She's his bodyguard at that moment.
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Exactly. I didn't realize that. The guy there with the long hair and the big 70s goggles on. Shooter's glasses. Shooter's glasses. Did that guy have a sense that he would become the greatest authority, the greatest, most respected thinker and coach on the subject of throwing things in the history of sports?
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They knew what was coming.
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Yeah, various pitchers as well as birds learned that.
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So when it comes to the competitive advantage that arises or diminishes when everybody's throwing faster and faster, and Greg Maddox, for all of his craft, is glacial in comparison, what does this say about the future of the soft tosser? You coached Jamie Moyer.
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So the innings eater is suddenly even more valuable now.
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You turn Tim Tebow into a baseball player.
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Regrets, reflections.
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What did you learn working with him about what it means to do your job?
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Could you turn someone like Lamar Jackson into a pitcher?
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So I'm just gonna assume that you have no clue who the man I'm talking to is, but what I need you to understand is that to be a quarterback or a pitcher at the highest possible level is all about precision physics under public pressure, which is, in other words, a marriage between mechanics and mind.
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So the similar question, right, of could you turn Paul Skeens into a quarterback?
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No. But he throws a football. Of course he does. As part of his training program. This is a speed round now. Do you think Shohei Ohtani should keep pitching?
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No?
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What are you seeing there?
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But the pleasure, did you watch him and- With awe. Self-evidently, unprecedented. Right. But you're saying- for his own long-term interest.
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So by this point, I think it's clear that I could talk to Dr. Tom House and mine his brain for takes on the future of sports for an extraordinarily long time. Tom, the more I think about it, was a pioneer. He was using science and regressions and video analysis to evolve the art of throwing, melding it truly with rigorous psychological study, turning it all into a science
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And all this was decades before the value of that scientific analysis became self-evident and omnipresent in some form all across sports. But the skill Tom has that is even more rare, the skill that so many data nerds still can't hack their way around, is the thing that I consider his real gift. The gift of communication. Thank you.
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And so when the best throwers in the world need help with that marriage, what they do is make a house call.
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because Dr. Tom House is the only psychologist who is also a major leaguer and also the author of 22 books, a man whose clientele spans both football and baseball, from Tom Brady to Greg Maddux to Drew Brees to Nolan Ryan to Andrew Luck to Randy Johnson to Tim Tebow and on and on and on and on. And typically, Tom House is a background character in the lives of these very famous people.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Thank you.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Thank you. Thank you.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Not unlike that video of Hank Aaron that we showed you. For instance, you may have missed Tom House being name checked by Eli Manning when Eli went viral for imitating the hip thrust routine of Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott on ESPN.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
But when I touched base with Tom recently while I was out in LA, what I found out immediately was that Dr. Tom House is in a different mood these days. At age 77, he is finally ready to fire off some takes.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
And so what I wanted to do today was climb into Tom House's brain. I wanted to find out why all of these elite athletes, including the kids, continue to trust this weird PhD who likes teaching his pitchers to throw footballs, for instance, and whose own fastball, if it can even be called that, could not crack 85 miles an hour at Tom's peak.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Oh, man.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
The superlative, Tom. The superlative that you deserve is the foremost expert on throwing in the world. I do, though, before we get to throwing, want to start with a time you caught something. Okay. And as a way of introducing you, I presume you have a general guess as to which day of your life... It would probably be April 8th, 1974.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
That's like having Michelangelo come by and say, by the way, you're pretty good with this paintbrush.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
What was the moment in your career when you began to think, this isn't working out for me the way that I hoped it would?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Yeah.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Yankee.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Walk off.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
There's a quote from Don Zimmer, manager of the Red Sox, your old boss. He said, quote, I think a lot of his problems were mental. He wanted so much to do well for us, it seemed as though the harder he tried, the worse he got.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So you get a PhD in sports psychology after you retire from baseball. Right. Your career as a left-handed pitcher professionally is done. You go to grad school. And that part, you had what kind of reaction from your folks?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
I want to speed run through a very long and colorful and frankly insane career. But you get to the Rangers, you get the position fundamentally of guy who's supposed to help these pitchers learn how to throw. And you do weird shit.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
The throwing the football thing. The idea that here were the Texas Rangers looking like morons throwing a football on the field before games. Yep.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
What flipped? When did that begin to get buy-in from both the team that you worked for and then broadly?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
To look at Nolan Ryan's statistics on baseball reference now is to be reminded what the last five years of his career looked like. And it's to marvel at how the he got better.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
I don't have Nolan Ryan as the guy being like, I would like the PhD. nerd with the glasses to tell me how to do my job.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So the guy who was at home played with those glasses. wears these goggles in this role, but now you're Professor Gadget.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
That's what they called you. Yeah. And so it's the biomechanical stuff. It's the footage you were collecting, the analysis you were doing, the regressions that you were running. This was the 80s and you were doing this.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
I understand that if you're going to trace this, right, Nolan Ryan to Randy Johnson, and you go down the line, and your tentacles extend all throughout Major League Baseball. And I understand how that happened now. When does the football thing, at the highest level, become another part of your business?
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Hour 2: David Samson's Rules For Using The Bathroom
Small windows.
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The back story.
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Get Cortez's throat back on the Zoom and open that up real wide.
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This is going to get... You're a bathroom profiler.
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Oh, my God. You sent people to the lobby? For sure.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
What did he say?
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
I've been seeing photos. The last Dans, I've been calling it. Whoever wins, we lose, I think, is what the Alien vs. Predator movie poster used to say. Also applies here, potentially.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Sure. In a... In any other timeline, the idea that a president tried to make a sports reference and face planted would be otherwise not symptomatic of a larger trend. Agreed. A troubling trend insofar as the background of that video, which, to Chris's point, I did not do a great job of setting up. Play. He surrounded...
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He's surrounded by girls, young women, for what the C-SPAN, Chiron describes as the no men in women's sports executive order. Speaking of telling people to play and to not. It's a ridiculous thing.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
workplace it's a ridiculous thing uh... and i say that because uh... look i'm i'm at all times with what david referred to as the transgender i'm trying to be somebody who you want to hear from even if you think i'm going to be the guy who was in the tank for one side i'm not in the tech for one side i'm just here to remind people that when you say this is a deeply unpopular issue eighty twenty a winner
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for the GOP, 80-20 a winner for the mutated Republican Party, which is true. Just please stop pretending like Democrats had been shoving this down people's throats. The idea that everybody, everybody on the left was so pro-transgender that finally Donald Trump is gonna stand up to the big bully, it's just not what was happening.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Yes, and the good news is that there have been rules regulating participation in sports on the basis of hormones, testosterone, which is, look, an arguable debate. Sure, we've done episodes about it, but they've existed. There have been regulations the entire time. There are fewer than 10 college athletes...
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who are trans at all, meaning that we're debating issuing executive orders, fearmongering about less than 0.02% of the population while also casting that population as the bully.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
The most effective straw man of all time.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
It's in 80-20, Izzy. 80-20, it's a winner. And I'm not disputing that. It is a winner for the Republican Party. What I'm saying is that this is something that I can't abide by because of a misrepresentation of the reality of it, right? I'm not saying that it's not unpopular. I'm saying that we here who have cared about this issue saying, actually, let's consider this population of people.
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There are photos of the crowds.
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Let's consider that if they were to go through with these regulations, these hormone therapies to decrease their competitive advantage conferred by male puberty, if they were to do all of that, that they deserve a right to play. What I'm saying is that people who have been saying that and believing that, like me, have not been
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
platform to the point where everybody is saying, let's celebrate the trans athlete. It's been a relatively lonely journey for those people in particular. And so for those fewer than 10 people who are just trying to participate in sports, them being cast as Goliath, as the bully, as the big bad wolf by the president surrounded by these women as props, it's insane to me. It's just insane to me.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Roy, there are so many legal pathways shooting out of this, Title IX being one of them. And I guess I even hesitate to go to that point because I want to make the argument even more basic. The boogeyman you have created is not an actual concern. And it's just the most overblown political issue of our time.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
All he's been doing while Elon Musk has been doing the actual work of being president has been
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
There are consequences to them. I am just saying this is the theater of this is this is first take. This is Stephen A. actually being very qualified for this part. I can sign an executive order now. What about me?
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
There's a reason why he's not going through Congress. One of them is because it takes actual work of governance. Another one is which another reason is which he does not have a huge majority in Congress. He is a very narrow, like the thing that I am frustrated by is just the way in which we have lost any sense of proportion, right? The smallest population of helpless people
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who are contemplating suicide at a rate of one in three are the big bad wolf. That's who you should worry about, those people. Meanwhile, the victory that Trump won, again, it's crowd sizes, right? The whole premise of this is he won so overwhelmingly that this is what the people wanted. He's just doing what they wanted. Look at how much he won by.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
We are misrepresenting basic statistics all of the time. And it's infuriating to be purely just on a counting level. We're really just going to eat all these lies.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
So look, I think there's a the reason why it's been really hard to talk about the trans debate
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in the context that David is trying to get us to is because it is a bit over nuanced thing we're talking about a tiny population of people and therefore if it's just gonna be a tiny population people less than 10 college athletes why are we prioritizing them and losing it 80-20 issue as they say and what I'm here to remind everybody is that the point love
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rights in this country is not that it's a popularity contest it's what is right or wrong and at the same time david i want to acknowledge when it comes to the terror alert scale of how worried we should be about anything because it's a relatively small population what's happening say to us aid is something that yes we should also make room for if we're gonna power rag
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The actual levels of concern, while also noting briefly that USA is also 0.2 percent of the budget. Right.
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But there's a through line here, Roy, right? Here we have in USAID and the trans population of athletes, two groups that are relatively very small.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
But budgetarily... USAID is 0.2%.
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I'm mentioning them in the same sentence because what we're doing here... is forcing nuance into a false binary. It's not either or. What we're saying is USAID, 0.2% of the budget, also massively impactful for every foreign relationship we have, for all of these people who got into it for the right reasons. For everybody with AIDS, everybody with HIV around the world.
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For everybody who's affected by disease globally, it is a massive catastrophe. I am also saying that even though there are less than 0.02% fewer, I think we'll agree to disagree, percent of college athletes who are trans also worth considering.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
It was obvious back in whatever year that was, 2018, 2017, with the bathroom bill in North Carolina. It was sort of a test there. It's like, hey, my base, we can agree men should go to men's rooms and women should go to women's rooms, ladies' rooms, right? And yeah, but then that one shockingly sort of failed for them. So then the new one was, oh, boys should play boys sports.
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Girls should play girls sports. Let's protect our kids. And that one just hit like, you know what? And so it's just been obvious what's been happening.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
But this is why it's in the same breath right now. It's because what Donald Trump and what this administration is doing all of the time is celebrating that they are defeating the bullies. The bullies in this case are trans athletes, And they're the workers trying to get people AIDS medication, who are actually a tiny percentage of the population he's trying. David, it's a numeracy thing.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
I'm walking you to a place of agreement. I'm walking you to a place of agreement, which is... Oh, God.
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A natural segue from D.C. politics to D.C. basketball. Well done.
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I never read those. I just ignore anything like that when they talk about pick swaps.
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28 grand a year. I want to cross the streams here, right? So Elon Musk is sending all of these people, these programmers in to get into the budgetary software. What does the budgetary software of a pro sports team look like? So far, it's Amin. So far, Amin is the budgetary software.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
He doesn't love it. It's just a way to get out of whatever situation he's in. Come take a photo. Okay, now leave. He doesn't have to talk that way.
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But is there a guy who's just yelling at some underlings and the underlings are the people actually keeping track of everything?
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What a massive front office you are. Everybody gets an underling? The underling to overseer ratio at this college is fantastic.
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I'd love to talk about that. Does anybody else get excited when a means like New York accent slightly comes out? It's the best. Like when he says all, and I'm like, that guy's cooler than he's letting on. Because the New York accent, I think, is the coolest of all the accents.
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I think he actually loves being with people. He would rather have 1,000 small talk conversations. than one conversation. He feels the gratification from the fans. No, it's legitimate. At MAS every year, he does this.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
You don't think that's a cool voice? It is good. But when you have a New York accent, you just get away with saying things that other people. Sasha Malia, I think. Michelle definitely thinks. People can't get away with. All right. You say with a New York accent. You're mad corny for that. You say that with a New York accent. You sound cool as hell. I can't do the New York accent.
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You sound cool as hell. Say that the way I just said it, and you sound like an idiot. You're mad corny for that, Pablo.
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It's funny because... I grew up in New York and I don't have that accent. So I, I felt that actually hypothetically and realistically. Right.
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You can't be a hip-hop artist with a Southern accent, but with a New York accent. Oh, come on.
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There is a study recently that I wanted to cite here. About accents? Yeah, it was about British accents and how we consider, of course, all of them, any British accent to be of a certain, you know, stature, right?
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I would say that to the untrained American ear any British accent no way is a sophistication I Would tell you right now to the untrained American they've never heard of a Geordie What is a Geordie? What was that?
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That's a good one. You need to put that one in the Rolodex.
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I'm looking at the differences, the socioeconomic connotations of different British accents. And Amin is right. This is a thing. This is a thing.
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Yeah, look, there was a study that tested how these things sound. Right. And I'm going to get to it in a certain way. Okay.
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Take your time.
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I just know that... I like how the one thing we need reporting on is our own companies. Which we don't have clips on for some reason.
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David was mad that we hadn't said the word Super Bowl.
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I'm just going to read the chyron on first take. What will the Super Bowl come down to?
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
What I would like to tell the NFL in this moment is you got to earn it.
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I'm just saying, I'm happy to not talk about the heat, trust me, but the NFL, so far Dan looking like a couch is the number one story coming out of New Orleans.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Look at that picture. It's like that Always Sunny where, you know, Danny DeVito's climbing out.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Or money. Well. Always. I have a couple questions. What decade do you have to be from to know what the Snoopy dance is? Also, Pablo, why do you think that people think you're a food delivery person?
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That's not true.
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So he's growing an Eric Estrada.
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More of a Joe Pesci guy than Daniel Stern.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
I'm just glad we got Roy in here. Roy got lured out with... Hot ice.
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Got a couple presidents in here, too, if you need them.
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What does old Donald Trump believe about Stephen A.? Who does a good Trump here?
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Not terrible is a real binary equation you're giving approval to.
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There's a lot of Trumps.
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It's a McLaughlin and Associates poll. Kamala Harris is still leading the pack, 33%. Pete Buttigieg, 9%. Gavin Newsom, 7%. Stephen A. Smith, 2%.
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Some people, I'm reliably informed, write books to go on the speaker circuit. Of course. Like that's the actual game.
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Does anybody do a George W. or George H. Bush impression?
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Can we talk a bit about the thing that we saw at the White House yesterday?
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I didn't see anything at the White House.
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I want to show you, actually, I want to show you a clip that caught my eye. If we can play, play something that Chris Cody is very cleverly. There it is. Very good. And play.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
I just want to be very clear about this. This is not a political take. Donald Trump does not know ball. Donald Trump does not know sports. He's around sports. He has spent money on sports. He shakes hands with people who play sports.
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That is him looking at Senator Tommy Tuberville and saying, you're the guy who coached Patrick Mahomes famously. We all know that.
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This is why I bring it up. This is what's happening. Again, I'm not trying to do a political argument here. I am just saying this is happening in one million different ways across all sorts of stories that are not actually anything this dude cares about.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
That was the mistake.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But the thing Amin just referenced, perhaps hypothetically, was actually a thing that I am told was happening in Philadelphia. Yeah. that Josh Harris, his kids were being made fun of because the Sixers were that bad.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But the real people... living real lives thing not on paper, typically that was an argument made on behalf of the players on the team, which was missing, I think, a through line from the two episodes we've done of this show, the two days we've done, which is follow the money.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
The owners are the ones who have these pressure points, whose incentives should be different from the people they employ to run their front office, right? They're gonna be around in 10 years, but the people they pay to run the team statistically are not. And so the question is always, what's your time horizon? How long is this going to take?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Will the people who you pay to be the stewards of your organization act as if they're the stewards of a future or a present? And the conversation right now about like in the NBA, has it ever been cheaper? Has a first round pick ever felt cheaper? Right. Like just like the market value right now.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But it's a funny thing, right? Mikael Bridges. Right? Five first rounders. Rudy Gobert. Go down the list. That is an example of people saying, take our future.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Which teams, which markets allow that? That is a key part of that privilege.
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They're betting on themselves.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Well, and that's where I mean, again, when I talk about markets, right? Oklahoma City versus Philadelphia. Yep. Like we're talking about, when I say who has the competitive advantage, David, of I'm in a market in which the pressure point is not gonna feel as painful.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But I think the argument has been the argument from Philadelphia to a means point and to my experience has been owners tend to overestimate their rationality and they underestimate how much it sucks to be made fun of.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Yeah, the opposite of feeling embarrassed. No owners feel embarrassed, though.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But David, David, David, there are some exceptions to, I think, your point, which is, in general, these guys are living great lives. The team tends to outlast all of the temporary news cycles. They get to be a steward of the thing that is wired into people's childhoods. But then, of course, I think of, I don't know, what's it like to be John Fisher? What's it like to be, at the time, Dan Snyder?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
What was it like to be Josh Harris when the Sixers were tanking? What's it like to be these deeply unpopular people who get booed? Jim Dolan!
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Pablo brought this up. He's trying to lead the show. No, the point is a good one that Amin and I have been raising. The mistake has been, the mistake, look, the question is why are decisions made and how? It's because people tend to have a market inefficiency when it comes to, ah, you can feel embarrassment.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Our mistake was asking David Sampson to be a focus group on what it's like to feel embarrassment. Yeah.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
You are the person who feels the less. That's a good stew laugh. That's a pretty good stew laugh. Or funny Marco. Nobody feels less embarrassment than David Sampson is my point. I do not feel embarrassed.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Overpaying though is, I'm with Izzy. I do not think this is an overpay. I think this is an example of one team needing one thing, another team needing a different thing.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Did you Google World Series Trophy Polishing Company? How did you figure out?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
My only surprise is that David Sampson did not demand to be in the room so he could watch his trophy getting polished. What?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
That's a horrifying. In a towel? Dear God. Definitely not in a towel. Wearing only an apron.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Wait, I just want to process this.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Sometimes when I go to a friend's apartment building and I'm carrying food that I brought over, I am asked what restaurant I'm delivering from.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
There's a penalty for this?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Yeah, major asshole.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
You've got the little device there. You're in charge. All you have to do is hit the button. You don't have to ask permission. White woman, white guy. It's not a white guy thing. Why is it a white guy thing? Sports ownership mostly. CNN. Oh, wait. Other menu. Oh, my God. There's another menu.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
And why should Charlotte feel good?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Yes, yes, yes. This is, by the way, to bring it all the way back around to our frustration as to why Kevin Durant didn't get traded. Right. The Phoenix Suns have been the number one example in sports history of saying all we care about right now is the present. Everything else. We will take a payday loan from Danny Ainge. Take three first rounders, whatever it is. Right. Give us that.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
We'll give you everything. such that 2031, basically we're behaving at the Phoenix Suns organization as if the apocalypse will come in 2030. We'll all be wiped off the planet. It's the global warming theory, just it's happening in five years.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
They're denying reality.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
The Suns are catastrophically run. Their owner, we've done this, of course, on Populatory Finds Out. We did an episode about Matt Ishbia, about how he runs his organization. It is uncoincidental that he runs his organization like someone who is familiar with mortgages. He is the mortgage king of America.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
I mean, look, the details are in the piece. It was lawyered, and for reasons that are, I think, going to be obvious to you. But in terms of timelines... He has run that team like he is going to disappear in 2030. And this raises many questions. But one of the questions I have is, is it the case now, motivated by Jeremy's observation, Amin, that Kevin Durant actually was too good a soldier?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
He needed to be a worse soldier. The bad soldier theory of getting what you want. He needed more Jimmy Butler in him.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
I don't want to get into the weeds of explaining what that is because it's just I guess the summary is it's an even more punitive tax on top of the tax teams used to pay. But what we're saying is that this rule has changed the economy of basketball transactions.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Please, please explain.
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So what you're saying is that maybe. OK. All right.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
He was pitching something, I bet. There was... At Radio Row? I came in with the stated goal of having more fun than everybody in New Orleans. We're a split squad this week. And I don't know if we can have more fun than Stu Gatz was having fake laughing. That's Sean Stilato, agent for Tommy DeVito.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
I know, of course. Look, Cortez, is he here yet? Speaking of attention-seeking gas bags whose throats I want to hear noises from Cortez. Go on. Yeah, that was not a great intro. There you are.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Where's your PJ Tucker jersey?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
He's doing stuff. What I can't get over is that when Cortez is, what you're doing is moving around revealing that you're not in Japan.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
I do love those glasses. The glasses are an incredibly effective upgrade.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
It started with Hero, though. I'm sorry, Cortez. I spent most of this week reading your posts, and they were all about how, you know, Pat Riley doesn't have it. Jimmy Butler, you were on his side. This is, come on, man.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
I cannot believe you produced my show.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
All I'm seeing is Ryan Cortez tweets from 2022 where he asks, at KDTray5, have you ever had a guava pastelito?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
This is ridiculous.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Cortez put on these circular glasses and he woke up trying to be level headed. And I just am not. Look, I am. The one thing I am not today is fooled by Ryan Cortez.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Can we get him out of here? I don't want this anymore.
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Nobody, can we get someone in Miami who will just admit to feeling the deep fear of irrelevance? The deep fear that we are not going to care about talking about this even a fraction as much anymore.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
We're going to be talking about, you guys got to manufacture gin up PJ Tucker and Andrew Wiggins takes.
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No one cares. The Lakers have pulled off a deal. By the way, okay, I have another question for everybody. Raise your hand if you knew who Mark Williams was before he was traded to the Lakers.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Which is kind of what Anthony Davis was saying. Hey, can we get someone to play center so I don't have to?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
It does depend on the question of how in shape is he going to be going forward.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
No, there's a good, I like this. I like the gradations of the terror alerts. That's a loading red for me. Gradation? The gradations of I am cleared to say this. I have been told. I am hearing. Source is close to the situation.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Look, it is true that you guys both know things that you don't say aloud. I often am the beneficiary of those things because I then get to launder it as my own sometimes. But what I want to point out about... Oh, God, Cortez has just texted me.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Have you guys even mentioned PJ Tucker yet? Bro, we got PJ bleeping Tucker back. Put the town on alert. Cortez is basically that guy in the video we just played. Oh, behind the bench? Yeah. Certainly not Kevin Love. But that guy, do you think that guy knew? Do you think that guy knew, Chris, that he was about to go, again, one of the great clips of the NBA season? It's also inaccurate, correct?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Are we saying this guy choked? He had a moment in the sun.
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The power that he had to control news and information to freak out the entire Miami Heat.
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I was already excited to be in Miami. I am so excited to be in this room with these specific people we have on the show today. It's going to be... David, I don't want to set expectations too high. But when I tell you that... God, I sound like Dan when I say when I tell you... What am I supposed to do with all this? What I find interesting. I can't. What am I supposed to do with all of this?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
I think it's, well, actually, a fair question. If you're on the Miami Heat right now, Jimmy Butler, the temperature of this thing in the locker room has mostly been communicated through Kevin Love's memes on Instagram, in which it's conveyed to me, they're not freaked out, they're joking about it. What does it actually feel like, do you think?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Who won this trade with cardboard Pat Riley as my witness?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Stephen A. Smith is polling in actual polls. For a candidate, a Democratic candidate for president. And that's not what we're doing to lead the show. Just to give you a sense of it. Is it not? We're not. We're not going to do it.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
At some point, we're going to explain aprons. Sure. It's a thing that you wear when you're cooking.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Our merch store has failed in not offering aprons, NBA deadline aprons. I'll wear that. I don't want to see that. Just an apron and thongs. An apron and thongs. By the way, that's a Wednesday. I regret so much that has happened already. I regret the question I asked who won the trade. Really, what I wanted to know was who lied to us?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Was there a lie told? I want to know. There was Jimmy Butler. There was Bernie Lee, Jimmy Butler's agent. There was the Miami Heat.
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Who's lying? The agent. The agent is always lying. So what did he lie about? And was he lying... successfully to the point where he got exactly what they wanted.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
So this is not a culture story. No.
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Okay, but this is an interesting dissection of what a lie is, because I imagine Pat Riley, is saying, okay, you didn't say it, but you were pretty much making us feel like this was on the way.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
You don't risk it. But I mean, to your point, part of what I want to wonder about here is whether Jimmy Butler and Bernie Lee are good at this. The idea of like we're so unpredictable and volatile that we might just get out of here as soon as you trade for me for all that stuff.
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Is this a strategy or is this just exactly the right temperament you need to scare teams that are increasingly desperate for talent?
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Jeremy is back, and I don't know why. Am I allowed to talk? Do you have a song? Are you allowed to talk? Yeah, there's a song. You're allowed to sing. Chris?
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The emergence of executive producer Chris Cody is a subplot that I was not totally prepared for when I got here. But he's in full bloom. He's heat checking. Yes.
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Have to anyway he did call he did call what I presumed was Yeah, a pretty intimidating bluff, but uh I guess yeah, you're what I guess Jeremy's been saying for weeks.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
What is the propaganda spin here for the Heat?
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You were just saying that Jimmy Butler getting paid $100-plus zillion by the Warriors was something that he could feel good about because it wasn't the Suns.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Where were you, Chris? I want to go around the room. Where were all of us when we found out? And let's get Pat Riley in the room, by the way. He's not here. Get him back. I want it. Thank you. Where were you when you found out that we're going to laugh at the Miami Heat?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Is this a heat culture bet? Where it's like, hey, bring Wiggins in into our system and we can do some things.
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The thing that infuriated the Heat, it turns out, this season is the thing that makes him special. is the thing that makes him actually, I think Miles Brown put it on Twitter, he's like an aging old pit bull that can still strangle you to death, but generally he's just not gonna be as active. Mostly just sits around licking himself.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
That's right. That's Roy shouting out Renaissance art. Hello. Bonicelli? Yeah, whatever you say. Bonicelli person?
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Yeah. I would ask Jeremy where Jeremy was because Jeremy is, of course, the most plugged in. In the building that's across the street from this building reporter that we have. But Jeremy is not allowed to talk about the Miami Heat until he does something. Ha ha ha. That we said we wanted yesterday. Deliverables. You have to be able to do your job.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
And this right now, Jeremy, would be a great time for me to gesture to you and you hit play. Instead, we don't have anything to sell the bit. I haven't done this. What were you doing? There were a few other things going on.
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You're not allowed to. You can't. You're forbidden. We are edging towards heat discourse. And Jeremy is going to just have to make some music.
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I can talk about it. We're going to talk about it.
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At a spa, I believe. I was working. I was decompressing. In a towel. In a pre-scheduled spa setting. Did you have cucumbers on your eyes? I wish. What happened was, I have a routine. You can imagine what the first part of the routine is. I don't even need to say what the routine is. But I go and I lie down and I forgot that my contacts were in. And when I awoken, I cannot...
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
I cannot specifically give you the Pantone color of red that my eyes were, but it was bad. I wish I had cucumbers on my eyes. Instead, I had shriveled up contact lenses. And that's why you couldn't de-towel, get dressed, and come do some work.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Yeah, David wanted to come into the studio to talk about this trade. I said we should wait till everybody's ready to talk about the trade.
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Well, hold on. Chris was offended that you did not invite him to a restaurant that had – Named after him.
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It was an insane dress code for no reason. I wore a Robert Graham shirt.
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I believe it's called Coat. I believe that Amin Elhassan's night, when it comes to who is struggling the most on the road to giving takes this morning, I believe Amin is going to win that contest.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Are you already empty of takes?
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Wait, hold on. Amin is arguing for the Nico Harrison Nike pitch approach. Yeah, look, I gave this to Kevin Durant. I'm going to change a couple names. It'll be all good for you.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Put that on the poll. Is there such a thing as tailor-made trade talk?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
What I'm not getting enough of from the people I need takes from is takes. Thank you. So Ryan Cortez, I texted him. So you went to Cortez? I went to Cortez and I said, Cortez, you prepared to zoom in tomorrow because Cortez is the minister of heat propaganda. And Cortez says, quote, zoom in, question mark. I'm going to jump in front of a train.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Thank you. You don't joke about that. Trigger warning for the description. What I want a sense of is how it feels to be a Miami Heat fan right now.
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I like the idea that someone out there is like, I rely on the Dan Levitard show to inform me not only of takes but of news. And we have led with Kyle Anderson.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
We've said tax disbursements before Steph Curry. I'm doing a great job hosting this quarter.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
We win. Dan, we're doing great. I led with how are all of us learning about the trade. I want to show everybody, in case you missed this, how Kevin Love, member of the Miami Heat, heard about the trade.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Sitting behind the bench as Kevin Love is just with bated breath wondering, not playing, what had just happened to his life and his team. That dude, what did he say? We killed them? We robbed them? We robbed them. Robbed. Robbed.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Yes, they become globally popular. They're globally... A brand that lots of people know and care deeply about who didn't grow up in Madrid like you. When it comes to your favorite player, though, the soccer player that you were most entranced by on this team, who would that be?
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When you reference that he is from a complicated Venezuela, Explain what that means in terms of the decision that is made to go and help his family by leaving. How uncommon is a decision like that in the context we're describing?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
So this football crisis, in the context of the larger crisis then of Venezuela, for people who are not familiar with the character of Maduro, how would you introduce him?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
We're talking about a guy in Maduro who, by the way, isn't a friend of Donald Trump.
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And so to fit Herce into this political matrix in which there's Trump and Maduro on opposite sides— Where does he fit when it comes to how explicit his beliefs are about what's happening?
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And what does it look like behind the scenes when that happens?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
I am as straight as it gets, and I also love... So we're going to love each other.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And so just to state as clearly as we can as well, what is Herce's criminal record? None.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
So if he also has a clean sheet when it comes to his legal standing, I'm trying to imagine what the case would be against him. How does he live his life? How out here is he when it comes to being reckless, even in a non-criminal way?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And so now I'm returning to that image of people trying to get the out. And I'm imagining the decision that Jersey is facing given that the man in power and his administration are seemingly, allegedly, not just electrocuting him, suffocating him, but now threatening him to never do anything like this again. And so what is the choice he has in front of him?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Right, so he's downloaded the official app. This is how it worked. And this was under the Biden administration, by the way. This is just last year, the spring of last year.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And so he gets not asylum, but an appointment to make his case that he is deserving of the refuge that the United States is offering.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
The waiting room is an ICE detention facility in San Diego.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And that is a useful date for us because now, tracking quite neatly alongside January of this year, is the changeover in power from Joe Biden to Donald Trump.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
He is. When I thought about who do I need to help us understand and report this story, I was turning to you before I knew that you had any affiliation with Real Madrid as a concept. And now it feels almost inevitable that I would have had you work on something for weeks. And thank you so much for being here and for doing that, by the way.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
So, Paola, this is a story I just need to remind everybody that started and is conceivably about gangs. And we now know that Jerse has lost contact with his family. They haven't spoken to him. We are closer now to the present tense. And I just want to know, where the f*** are the gangs in this story that you've reported for us? Because they have been noticeably absent so far.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Because it's one of the biggest stories going on, certainly in America, but also globally. Latin America and also the world. You can make it as grandiose as you want, but it begins with something that's quite specific and quite small, technically.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
This accusation that he's a member of this gang, according to a declaration that I'm going to quote from here, is based on two things. First, he has a tattoo on his arm of a crown sitting atop a soccer ball with a rosary and the word Dios, which we began the show with. And the Department of Homeland Security alleges that this is proof of gang membership. This... Tattoo from hell.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
He's not the only person in the world of professional soccer who has this tattoo or something quite like it. No less than Neymar himself has a tattoo on his back right calf, the third most popular athlete in the world, probably behind Ronaldo and Messi, you know, depending on how you put LeBron in there. I put Neymar on the medal stand. He has this, Paola. Look, there it is, right?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Soccer ball with crown on top. Paola Dybala, an Argentinian football superstar, Same tattoo. Here's a photo of that. Same place. Crown on top of ball. And we were trying on our staff, Paola, to figure out, like, what is the appropriate reference point? And I think we settled on this is kind of like getting a flaming basketball. It's just a thing you get because you're hot.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And so at this point, I just need to jump in to emphasize something broader about not simply this particular sports-themed tattoo, but also tattoos in general, as this marker, according to the federal government, for membership in Trend de Aragua, which is that this entire concept is bull .
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
A leading criminology professor at the Central University of Venezuela recently told The New Yorker that this administration's tattoo strategy is, quote, the first time I've ever encountered any reference to the significance of tattoos as it regards Tren de Aragua, which is a gang, by the way, that this professor has spent his career studying.
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He then called the whole thing, quote, absurd and naive. Meanwhile, the author of the definitive book on Tren de Aragua happens to be a journalist named Rona Rizquez, and she spent her career investigating criminal groups across Venezuela, What you should know, according to her, is, quote, Venezuelan gangs are not identified by tattoos. And yet this is precisely, precisely how ICE, U.S.
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Customs and Immigration Enforcement, has been actively justifying the disappearance of people without criminal records, again, like Jersey Reyes Barrios. And in fact, on the Texas state government's website, to also broaden the scope out here, we found a literal PowerPoint presentation with a slide entitled, Trend de Aragua, dash, tattoos and other identifiers, end quote.
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And right there, in the top right corner, which you can see right now on YouTube, is the Jumpman logo. Yes, the Jumpman logo for, you know, Air Jordan, with the number 23 beneath it. which, as I trust you can now understand, feels both irresponsible and actually insane.
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That part, that all it takes is one tattoo that is cross-checked against some PowerPoint somewhere in which also on the list are roses, guns. God forbid, by the way, you're a train enthusiast. We got a locomotive smack dab in the middle here. It just makes me think of the strategic incompetence. If you're using this as...
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sufficient evidence for declaring that someone like our goalie in this story is actually part of a terrorist organization.
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Just this quote, right? Like to go back to this legal document. Quote, DHS reviewed Jerez's social media posts and found a photo of Mr. Reyes Barrios making a hand gesture that they allege is proof of gang membership. And for those who are not watching on YouTube and are missing the visuals on this, can you describe the gesture he's making?
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And on Instagram, by the way, this guy's making all sorts. It's like peace signs, thumbs up, rock and roll gestures, all this stuff. You see all the kids on his youth soccer team there.
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I have been wondering who is the person who is actually fighting for him against the U.S. government.
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It's the footage that has been posted on the social media account of the president of El Salvador. Bukele, who has, for those not familiar with his work, has called himself the world's coolest dictator.
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We're talking about a maximum security prison designed to hold and essentially banish terrorists. from civilization.
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And somewhere in this photo of these people being lined up in what is a de facto concentration camp. Somewhere in there is the goalie we've been talking about.
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It's the place that we saw also because Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem went and took a photo op trip to pose in front of some of those bars and some of those men, and then posted it, of course, on social media.
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I'm imagining like the rock and roll thing, right? A pinky and index finger up like that. Exactly.
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Yes. that makes us who we're supposed to be now which is a democracy that's gone right the idea that if you suspect that this former professional soccer player this father of two this man is in fact gang-affiliated, terrorist-associated, that you should go through the legal system and prove it, as opposed to disappearing him. That's what the fight is right now, broadly speaking.
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And in specific, that is the hell that this tattoo has brought Fierce to.
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Protesting the dictator that is an enemy of the man in charge of our country who sent him to El Salvador to be under the watch of another dictator.
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So I should say, Paola, that we here at Public Tori Finds Out did get a quote from the Department of Homeland Security. They provided us with the following statement. And so, naturally, we had... Multiple detailed follow-up questions about those assessments, about whether they were even talking about assessments of Jersey in particular.
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And so he walks in and he wants a new one. And his specific desire for this new tattoo is going to be what?
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We had questions about why the government is so confident about any of that, about any specifics that they might be able to offer us. And eventually, Tricia McLaughlin, the assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, did get back to us in an email, and she said this, quote, No, I am not referring to Barrios specifically.
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Our intelligence goes beyond social media and tattoos, full stop. We aren't going to hand over our national security information and put law enforcement in harm's way every time a terrorist and gang member says they aren't one. That would be insane.
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And so at this point, it is just worth me reiterating perhaps the defining aspect of the United States itself, which is that in a constitutional democracy like ours, people like Jerse Reyes Barrios are in fact allowed to say that they are not a terrorist and not a gang member, and to in fact prove that in a court of law.
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which is why currently a federal judge in Washington is threatening to hold the Trump administration in contempt for preventing so many of these men from Venezuela who got swept away by our government on those planes in the middle of the night from making their case as to why they should not be kicked out.
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And meanwhile, back in San Diego, today actually, exactly six months after that first appointment that Jerse had, the one that got, you know, spat out by the government's free iPhone app so that he could legally and transparently make his original case to be let into this country, our country, Jerse's lawyer is finally expecting something.
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She's expecting to hear from Jersey's personal immigration judge with a decision on whether to dismiss his claim to asylum, his claim to legal status officially, or to keep Jersey's case open so that he can continue his request when and if he returns to the United States or even some other country. But no matter the official law of the land, no matter the due process here,
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the Trump administration is expected to push back. They're expected to brush aside that due process and the humanity involved in favor of dictatorship. And so, yes, it is certainly worth sounding some alarm. And it is also quite appropriate to be cynical about America today. But in Venezuela, Something else is happening. Back on the pitch.
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And so as much as this is a story that isn't otherwise being told here in America, what's it like back home where Jersey is from?
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But the Real Madrid part, I guess to do the little bit of Spanish translation I could do, Real means royal. That's right. And in this specific case, Real Madrid, more than any other club, has claims to being the royal franchise of Spain. This is sort of its own heritage is that it does have a crown as certainly the most distinguishing part of its own logo.
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It just occurs to me, Paola, that this is a lot for a bunch of 10-year-olds to deal with, right? The idea that your athletic idol, whether it is Iker Casillas or Jerese Reyes Barrios, would be gone forever. somewhere trapped in a nightmare of the United States and the dictator of El Salvador's creation. And so what are these team meetings like? What's practice like now for this team?
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It's hard not to think of that, Paola, as the goalie's prayer, right? Praying for someone now to save him.
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Yeah. Paola Ramos, thank you so much for helping us tell this story.
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He might have been thinking at this moment about Iker Casillas as a goalie himself.
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Okay, so whether or not you're a sports fan, much less a fan of Real Madrid, I'm going to guess you've heard about the case of Kilmar Abrego-Garcia.
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All of which is alarming, to say the least, to the point that even Republican loyalists to Trump, like Senator John Kennedy, for instance, the other day on Meet the Press, have called the ordeal, quote, a screw-up.
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Now, the case of Mr. Garcia and the men sent to El Salvador with him is held up in the courts right now, including the Supreme Court, as we wait to see, I suppose, if the rule of law under the Trump administration is going to hold. But meanwhile, we have been promised something. We have been promised that this is not a pattern.
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But there is a pattern emerging, and you may have heard about this part too, these other horrifying ordeals for these alleged gang members.
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They incentivized young kids growing up around Spain to be a frontrunner.
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And in fact, this administration this week has decided to display the faces of these alleged terrorists on the lawn of the White House itself, just in time, as it happens, for Saquon Barkley and the rest of the Philadelphia Eagles to visit and celebrate their big Super Bowl win.
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all of which helps explain why the person sitting in our studio today is the Emmy-winning journalist Paola Ramos, most recently the author of a book called Defectors, The Rise of the Latino Far Right and What It Means for America. And Paola is here with me because she has been reporting on immigration for a decade now.
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And in fact, she just returned this week from the jungles of the Darien Gap between Latin America and South America. And she has also reported for Vice on the exact intersection of where our story is going to take us today. Tattoos, abductions, and now sports. This is a sports story in which we have a disappearing soccer player, a mystery around this tattoo from hell, as you called it.
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And so I want to further push the sports part of it. I just want a scouting report on who Hersey is, where he came from, him, the person.
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Watching this team, this club, excuse me, come to power, for people who don't know anything about Real Madrid, don't give a about soccer, what was that like?
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So describe what we're seeing here, this place that he grew up.
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So when he's climbing the ladder, what does his ascent look like through soccer to the pros?
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I'm imagining a goalkeeper, the pressure that you have to not f*** this up.
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The third division is a division you want to escape if you have bigger dreams for yourself. And on the line in this game that you guys were talking about is promotion to the second division, which is a huge deal.
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Everyone is... It's a lonely thing.
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And when I look at the record that Herse assembled as this goalkeeper, it doesn't stop in the second division. He makes it to the first division. And at this point, what happens to him?
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Tony, why are you making faces as the argument maker on behalf of John Halliburton stood on bidness?
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Not the only problem. The problem that- That family is also celebrating in a way that seems divided because Halliburton after the game also handled this well by saying pops.
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I think there are plenty of people who are going family first there and saying, I don't care if my father disrespects you. I'm not sure John Morant isn't doing finger guns at Giannis right next to his father and rolling a grenade at him.
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Tony, I'm with you on the face you made. I believe you are right when your face crinkles up in a disgust when either Pablo or I say bidness.
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He got permission from me. I shouldn't have done it either. I did it for effect, extra enunciated.
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It's a capital D there, a hard D I don't like. Yes, we will get to put it on the poll.
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At Levitard Show, can you say business with a hard D if you're over 35 years old at Levitard Show?
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Of any kind, of any kind, of any subject.
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Like, it's just effervescence spewing all over everyone. Congratulations on winning an award that you were bored to tell us what the acronym was for.
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Stugatz. I want t-shirts made for this Panther run, what could be this Panther run. Our Panther group chat, we're not afraid of the Lightning.
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I want to ask you about the Lakers last night and that Belichick story. I do want to get your thoughts on what is most interesting from that Belichick story as well.
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She's in it with Affleck and she was in a commercial for the Super Bowl in a way that was really strange. Unmentioned that she was in it and she's just in it.
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It's just bored. You mentioned it, but your tone, the undercurrent, was just indifferent. Pablo, do you have any thoughts?
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The unusual looking coach on the sidelines that became famous for nepotism.
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Put it on the poll. Do you believe Tony's theory that Bill Belichick has been hypnotized? I would say, Pablo, that I've only seen one other instance of this in my career. Anything that felt like this remotely close to it. And it's Sacramento's coach, Doug Christie, had a relationship in public that they were very proud about the fact and and.
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This was always interesting to me because men obviously don't view this the way that a woman might admire something like this. Doug Christie was publicly genuflecting on, yes, I follow my wife everywhere. I'm good with that. It doesn't make me less of a man to be someone who simply follows my wife. And you know who's someone else who does that now?
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Dwayne Wade does that now, where there's no shame in that, but the age difference complicates this one.
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That's right. It's a good theory by Tony. I like it. Do you have a theory for me on this? CBS Sunday Morning is a magical show. I believe the broadcaster that got you, Jordan and Belichick, was overly cheesy in a number of different broadcaster-y ways.
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I want to ask you, as somebody who's now on MSNBC, a professional broadcaster on ESPN, if any human beings talk the way this broadcaster does when he's doing the affect of CBS Sunday Morning television.
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Does anyone talk like that?
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Do you hear the question mark in this journalist, in this saying that would express to you that the particular journalist we're talking about is not objective?
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His creative muse... Again, I'm going to play that last part for you and ask you if there's a question mark between the creative and the muse. His creative muse...
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There's some creative muse. There's some sass in there. Like, he's really judging it for America. His creative muse.
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He's also wagging a condescending chin at them.
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Let's play for Pablo the sound of Stugatz being as right as he has ever been on anything.
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Luka played a ton of games last year.
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You were ahead of everybody on that one. You were. Izzy, have you read or heard anything interesting on Luka and LeBron? In retrospect, it's fairly easy to say when it comes to usage rate, it needs to not be the oldest player in the league anymore. You got to kind of hand the team over to Luka for real.
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You don't need both of them at the same time, especially if Luka is not going to be playing any defense at all.
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Well, Pablo, can you please look this up for me, guys? Give me all the history where Minnesota wins a game or anybody wins a game shooting from three the way Minnesota did. Luka and LeBron can't lose to a Minnesota team shooting like that at home to have their season extinguished. That's a terrible game shooting for Minnesota.
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He used to be a columnist. That was disrespectful. I did John Halliburton that. Like that was disrespectful, but I really didn't know what the acronym was. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. I just, I didn't know.
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Think about that. Think about that.
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Can you guys give me what your take was on Kerr sitting his starters in the second half yesterday?
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I like it. Pablo, your thoughts on losing to Minnesota that way. Your thoughts on the Lakers' future. What was it that Windhorst, did Windhorst have some commentary that said that LeBron's frustrated with the Lakers? They got him Luca.
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I was like, are we talking about the Lobos again? Because he came in here and he said, I've got a lot of stuff to talk about. And he opens with the FS whatever awards were announced. And I'm looking at him and I'm like, why are you telling us about that? And the answer is because I wanted column writing.
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Did he get that for thought experiment or did he get it for the Egyptian pharaoh?
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Was it talking like a broadcaster? Was it just talking broadcaster-y cheese? Is that it? Here's the thing? Because he hit you with it. Here's the thing.
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I can't even tell when I hear the thing anymore. So it's a lifetime achievement?
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Piano Tinkle? Egyptian Pharaoh had me, man.
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Pablo, are there any other kinds of pharaohs? I don't know. Is that redundant? Phil Pharaoh. That's a good one. That weather terror. I'm going to scare the hell out of you.
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Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Are there other kinds of pharaohs other than the Egyptian ones?
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That's a good question. Or also put up on the poll, is Egyptian pharaoh redundant? Because I don't know. I don't know if there are other kinds of pharaohs. I don't know. I don't have any pharaoh history.
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Speaking of aging, who thinks they're going to have the best old clothes? Zaslow was a wild disappointment yesterday. Zaslow bringing in clothes. Zaslow. Only from 2016. I thought for sure he had stuff from the 90s. I know that Greg Cody, before his son bought him an expensive bag, was walking around with a Barcelona bag from the 1992 Olympics. That's true. And so he's got a lot of old stuff.
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Who do you guys think is going to win on old stuff summoned from the closets? I think Chris Cody's going to win.
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All right, let's do this because I want all of you to hold up your third place finishers first. We're going to go three shirts.
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So you're going to immediately go.
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Pick the best three. I've got accessories, though, too. Okay, so no one wants to do it the way that would be easy.
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Well, we've got two minutes. And Zaslow was really disappointing with this. So I wanted to limit Zaslow to one. He brought three. All of them were bad. Now I'm worried that all I don't have confidence in this, given what Zaslow did with it.
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All right, let's see the first of what he's got here. This is his weakest entry. What do you have here?
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He has opened it. He has sent a statement larger than the one the Panthers sent to the Lightning yesterday. Look. He would not have been stronger there if he had dropped his pants and mooned all of you on I've got better than you do.
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Pablo, what do you have in your excessive bag of accessories that doesn't suggest that this segment was prepared at all?
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Solid. It's not bad. Eight years better than Wazlow. Eight years better. I mean, Wazlow was really disappointing. That was a real, that was just an embarrassing fart by Wazlow. What else do you have there, Pablo? Just show us the rest of what you've got because we're running out of time.
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Is there a back in my day there on your list of topics? It's Thursday. Okay, no. All right, so what are the top four? Give me the top four.
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Would you be willing to auction that off to the audience and just get another one?
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Congratulations. Check that out.
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It makes me less impressed than 5,000. Less impressed? You think 5,000 is a lot?
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Your right glass lens is fogging up again.
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When you win column awards? What are your first four topics? Let's see if Pablo bites on any of them.
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He's got a controversial opinion on statues. Pablo, you were about to say?
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So did I, by the way. All right, so let's do this. Do any of you believe you have older shirts than Greg Cody has? All right, let's get in position for this. And as filibuster, as we get into position, everyone get their T-shirts ready, their old T-shirts ready, or their old clothes ready. I do want to play this sound for Pablo, and I don't know if Pablo has in his home. He's in his home.
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Pablo, you can go to another room if you've already heard this Giannis sound and get your oldest shirts that...
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Excellent. It sounds like people are prepared in the interim, though. I want to play for you something. I don't do this very often.
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I'm going to play three and a half minutes or so of sound of Giannis talking here, because I believe that he diffused a bomb in a way that was really graceful, because in a different language than is his preferred language, and I think is his third or fourth language, he walked through crisis in a way that was honest and vulnerable and...
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showed great grace to someone who had disrespected him in front of people. And then afterward, in the emotion of it, handled it exactly the way that anyone would want the face of the league to handle something. Listen to the grace that he shows in telling you, my story is a one in a lifetime story.
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and you have insulted both me and my late father when as a father you come out on the court as the guy's father to the guy who just beat me and is standing on a table because my team just choked away a game away the way the basketball is never seen. possibly ending my career and my relationship with the city and Milwaukee that is as strong as the one that Luka has in Dallas.
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And in that moment of rage, this is how that man calms himself down and speaks on behalf of his family, his teammates, champions everywhere, and a league.
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A number of different things that I want to talk about with Pablo Torre. His award-winning podcast, Pablo Torre Finds Out, pales in comparison to Greg Cody's awards. Greg Cody came in today swaggering, saying that the 2025 FAF something or another awards have been announced, and he has done something in one of those awards. What have you won?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Pablo, I'm floored by the amount of understanding and compassion that he showed given what his rage had to be in that circumstance and how he also managed around the understanding and compassion to give you his very strong opinion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
It's hard to do all of those things together without emotion, to be that stoic about being very strongly opinionated on that was disrespectful and doing it with such compassion that he convinced me it was disrespectful by the time he was done.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
The part that is interesting to me about it, though, Pablo, is I was talking about how hard winning is earlier, how hard it is to be a champion, that LeBron has failed a lot more than he's won the way that we do the measurements right now. He's only won four. And Steph... Stugatz came in here today saying Steph's had a better career than LeBron. But it's been two guys fighting for the titles.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Kawhi stepped in there and won three of them. And Kevin Durant had to win a couple that Stugatz will not give him because Kevin Durant had to go to the Warriors to do it. And the one that Giannis won, he only won by a toenail over Kevin Durant. So you tell me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Pablo, the legacy of Giannis as we go on face of the league stuff, people are real interested to make Anthony Edwards the face of the league. Giannis is going to have to go somewhere else to be the face of the league. Like you want all the stuff that he does, but you also need that person to be winning the championships.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
This is what Tony was saying yesterday. He said that John Halliburton stood on bidness.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Jessica's Weekend Observations (feat. Kenan Thompson)
Just being accountable.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Jesus Christ.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
History is not going to know that context, and that was a terrible decision by Billy Gill.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Like, what is it? Incredibly strange.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I'm saying that he forced Jason Tatum to watch The Dark Knight with him and to focus on Heath Ledger's The Joker for inspiration. I just think there's a type of guy, and Missoula might even be just weirder than even this one data point, but there's a type of guy who isn't just like, wow, this guy's a really hardcore, high energy, or not even high energy, just all consuming coach guy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
He's the guy who thinks Heath Ledger's Joker is a hero. I don't know how often I can just keep repeating this, but that's literally insane. You're idolizing an insane person, which would make me think that you are also an insane person, just by the laws of, you know, logic.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I think, look, Missoula as a coaching prospect, what Stugatz is saying is fundamentally like directionally correct, which is that at a certain point, if we're going to be the guy who's winning all of these titles and being in the conference finals and the finals every single year,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
we're going to just not think too deeply about the fact that yes you watch the town like four times a day or whatever it is that you have these press conferences where you don't seem to exist on the same like emotional psychological wavelength as anybody else uh it's it's ends justify the means which i guess in that case is exactly the lesson of the joker Does that mean I'm right?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I mean, fundamentally, directionally? The reason I want to say I'm right. Before I move to Lakers. You're in the direction of right. I wouldn't say you're necessarily there yet.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It's a coalition of people who are directionally right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
But the thing about, I mean, this is, it goes back to the Mike Malone in the little box thing though. Like we're testing actively what it means to not have a coach during a playoff run effectively. And you're right, Dan, like there is no real good statistic.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
There's no good analytics for coaches because they exist in the realm of motivation because they exist in the realm of, hey, watch this movie scene. This is gonna inspire you because they exist in the realm of like press conference theater. And so, yes, it's very easy to ascribe everything we can't calculate to them
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
except for when, in the case of Denver, they're basically saying, eh, we don't really need this. And now you give it to Westbrook, which is how it is that the NBA is both a league of math and the opposite at the same time.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Wait, didn't Peter King do this with Robin Williams? You guys remember that story? Peter King wrote that column where he talked about how he told a restaurant host that Robin Williams had died. This is like the lead of his column and took like very strange pleasure in telling him that Robin Williams had died in a particularly unfortunate way. Am I? How am I the only one who remembers this?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I got it. Get off me before I drown. All right, here we go. Milwaukee, dash, dash, asked restaurant host. colon god did you hear about robin williams question mark post no me died he killed himself end quote thought he would cry at si underscore peter king august 12 2014 huh what I'm the only one who remembers Peter King. Okay, very good. I'm just going to return to the bottom of the ocean now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
See you guys later. The King's disease.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Living or dead? That can be alive or dead. Oh, I mean, Bill Walton, number one. Obviously. Good one. Can I draft for Bill Walton? Nope. You get one Bill Walton. You can have Luke. All right. I don't know if I want Luke. These sandwiches are so good that I'm not sure.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Who's the next one after Walton? Yeah, this is cruel. I'm going to stay with UCLA. I'm going to go Kareem. Kareem's a stoner, guys. He does. He's on the record. And finally, on the record.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Burging a bit on the Peter King vibes with that comment, Dan. We're trying to have a fun power ranking of guys want to smoke weed with. He brought it to a real dark place. It's what he does.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Someone sent me a photo of Ricky Williams, noted friend of Metal Ark Media, at a pool in Austin. Not to, like, dox Ricky Williams, but he was wearing the Apple Vision Pro and sitting at a table by himself. And Ricky Williams is my third favorite. That's a strong four right there. What about me?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I have the top five athlete weed names in sports history. Give it to us. O-L-I. Outlighter. Dugatz is writing it down. Number five. LeGarrette Blunt. Strong if that's number five. Number four. John Danks.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Really good. That is good. White Sox lefty. Thank you, Pablo.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Closer. Probably also enjoys weed. That's who I was thinking of.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
You're welcome. What are you basing that on? Just be clear. Feels like he's a guy who enjoys a Jimmy John's every once in a while, you know? Just saying. He'd be in the rotation.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I got salt and vinegar. We're at number three. Number three. But that sound of Chris eating those chips makes me want to hit the June Cune Bong. Excellent.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
B-O-N-G. Not wrong. He's directionally correct on that as well.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Fundamentally directionally correct. Number two, Tree Rollins. Excellent.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Yeah. I mean, I just scarfed down like so many Jimmy John's barbecue chips, this like 5,000 word Tim McMahon piece. Tim is incredibly plugged in to this team over at ESPN.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
uh he just tells the story of how there is so much more to why this has fallen apart a lot of having to do with the medical staff a lot of it having to do with nico harrison installing his own people who are in charge now the bodies of these players breaking the trust of dirk novitski and this guy casey smith who was like the nba's highly regarded medical trainer one of the best in the league the guy in dallas it just seems like when it comes to a coalition
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
you might even say that you need when you make a trade like this nico harrison doesn't have it and it's just incredible palace intrigue man all around like injuries all around dirk and luca basically in communication about why they shouldn't trust this guy
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And it is something that you don't want to read if you're a fan of the Dallas Mavericks who just traded for Anthony Davis, whose body you may have heard is in need of medical attention. Not a great thing to know that your medical staff is internally feuding. And also you messed up the worst transaction in the history of sports. Not great.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I have Zazz like Noah Wiley in the pit, like just that. But then at the end of his shift, he's lost all of his hair due to stress. Good show, by the way. I watched that last week. Great show. Good show.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Just that they're the Dallas Mavericks, the Defense Department of the United States of the U.S. government. Every news story that involves, oh, by the way, they just cleaned house.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
They just fired like an entire cabinet over at DOD, followed by, oh, by the way, he's also been on a separate signal chat with his brother and his wife and his personal attorney on his personal cell phone, which he's talking about yet more airstrikes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
All of it just makes me think of how his only defense for any of this so far in writing, at least, has been to reply to like the Democrats Twitter account talking about how the reason that you're against me is because you're in favor of D.I. and D.I. is dead at the Department of Defense. And all I can think about.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
is how there is no greater example of truly unqualified incompetence and overall fraudulence than this guy. This guy is the ultimate affirmative action hire. He is the guy that they hired because they wanted to put a literal Fox News weekend host up there and has proven in three months that he is totally unqualified for this job.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Like the next time you hear anybody in this administration yell about DEI, and by the way, I'm not saying that DEI didn't have its excesses, didn't have its own mistakes when it came to what it became by 2025. But the next time you hear anybody from this administration tell you about DEI, just know that they should be looking into a goddamn mirror.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And seeing the face of Pete Hegseth, who has stepped on a series of rakes that is unprecedented, truly unprecedented when it comes to the American military and how the Department of Defense has been run. It is unbelievable. And it would be hilarious if it wasn't also the thing trying to keep all of us literally alive.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I'd like a sandwich next, though.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Just realized that I've been shown this entire time struggling to both keep my glasses on and off and keep pace with whatever we're arguing about. Mike Schur is there or was there. Mike Schur also went. I think Mike Ryan and Mike Schur both went to Vegas for this thing. The coalition of wrestling fans always surprises me as someone who wasn't one of them.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I didn't know there were post-game pressers. I didn't know that was a thing. That's a thing? I've never seen a restaurant behind a microphone.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I do like Chris, though, saying you're sixth grade, which is a fifth grade reference.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Sixthgrade.com, though. We should squat on that URL. This is a business here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
The most confident Mina was in her entire Celebrity Jeopardy! semifinal was when she gave that post-game press conference answer to Ken Jennings about how unconfident she was in her strategy for Daily Doubles.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
No, beyond the fact that Dan ended up being able to have this weapon to just beat Mina over the head with in the postgame pressure that we staged for her was the fact that Mina, of course, like could not do the thing. And this is her own her own self-awareness in the episode that Dan's referencing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
She realizes that after a career spent telling people, telling NFL coaches to go for it on fourth down, she punted. She just repeatedly punted throughout the game and didn't realize it until this taping we did in which she had to reckon with how unbelievably cosmically cursed it is to be her on NFL Live and her in this episode of Celebrity Jeopardy. It is remarkable and you cannot script it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It's true.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
The Nuggets, the Nuggets being the Clippers. I think that the whole experiment with we're going to fire our head coach, fire our GM, leave it in the hands of Nikola Jokic, whose on off numbers are incredible, has made me. more intrigued by this team than any one other team in this postseason, because all I want to do is get you put a little box of me in the bottom right hand corner of the screen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I just want a little box with Mike Malone in it during these games. Like, what's it like to be him?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Well, this is why I want Mike Malone in the little box. I want the Mike Malone cast because part of the reason he got fired, we were told, was because he played Russell Westbrook in the fourth quarter too much.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Mike Malone was watching the reason he got fired result in a headline that praised the team that he got fired from coaching for doing the thing they did only to win a playoff game in overtime. It's incredible. Like the Russell Westbrook thing. I mean, man, two things are true, and this is always true about Russell Westbrook.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
He is the guy who will dribble the ball off of his foot or whatever into Zubat's arms at the end of regulation. And he'll also be the guy that will make you think, oh my God, this is Russell Westbrook aggression mode. And yes, he has so much more left in the tank than you think. But also, what a nightmare. What a nightmare to just watch someone else get praise for the thing you got fired for doing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It is remarkable.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I mean, it's a good question. If the GM had not also gotten fired. Like, I don't even know what's happening over there. I don't know who's in charge. I genuinely have no idea. I don't know who they're supposed to please. I think we're supposed to realize that Russell Westbrook in the fourth quarter bad until it was good in this playoff game, I guess, because they won.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And also in terms of who's running the team, Zaz, yeah, I don't know. We're also running that experiment. Who's your boss? I don't really know. I guess Jokic is or Jokic's brother is at this point. Sure. Or his agent is, which we've also heard. It's very, very confusing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
His brother, Jokic's brother makes Jokic look like Yao made Shaq look. Like you need just that level of scale to appreciate.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Have you guys seen that photo of tiny Jeff Passan from that set? He was on a baseball. He was on set doing some ESPN baseball broadcast, and he looks tiny. You guys know what I'm talking about? Am I alone in tiny Jeff Passan?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Is he? Joe Mazzulla is... I don't want to diagnose anybody from afar, but he has something in his brain, circuitry-wise, that is just very different. And the only thing compared to is that there is a group of guys in sports, we did an episode about this actually, who all have tattoos of the Joker on their body. Not Jokic, obviously, but like the Joker from the Dark Knight.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And Joe Mazzulla is one of these guys who idolizes that sort of a character, which is to say there are people who see being a sociopath as being virtuous and like good strategy. And that is an incredible photo of Billy next to Derek.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: The Corporate Cleansing
Don Levitard. You know how these late season games are. We don't know. It's a big game for the Knicks. We have absolutely no idea how Boston will play. I don't know who they'll play, who they won't play. Stugatz. Okay. All right. That's fine. That's an excellent promotion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: The Corporate Cleansing
That's great. Sold. That's it. That's perfect advertising for the game, the national game on TV tonight. I was going to watch. Now I'm not going to watch. Holy shit.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Wenn du rassistisch sein willst, musst du voll rassistisch sein.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
I don't like how this is being presented already. I'm not sure where we're going. Objection already. I don't like how this is... Judge? I wrote down, you are what your record is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ja, das ist nicht verrückt. Ich meine, wir haben darüber gesprochen. Riley, lande einen dieser Hexen. Oder lande nicht einen dieser Hexen. Stopp mit all diesem Hexen-Hunting, was du tust. Du solltest auch nicht Hexen fangen, aber das ist eine Geschichte für einen anderen Tag. Ich bin hier, um Preservationen für Tiere zu haben. Riley ist hier, um sie zu töten.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Kann ich euch eine Frage stellen? Haben wir einen Punkt mit der Heizung, jetzt, dass die Janis-News raus ist, dass ihr enttäuscht seid, wenn die Heizung in der Tat Kevin Durant bekommt?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Leute gehen in All-Boys-Schulen. Weirdos.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
You can't afford it. He's not an option.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
I don't think getting KD for the Heat is a bad thing. I know that people are like, oh, this isn't the same KD, this is the end of his career. Yeah, but he's one of the all-time greats in the NBA. He's a legendary player that will be tied to your franchise forever.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ja. Ich will nur Horsen. Nur er ist wahrscheinlich nicht gut genug, um zu gewinnen, also was ist der Unterschied?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ich will nur Horsen. Do you take one of the all-time greats to wear your roster knowing, best case, you're a 7th seed?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
How about that? I want anything that I want. This is how the conversation is going to start with Pat Riley.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ring. Hello, it's Pat. No, no, I'm Pat. I'm Pat. You're Milwaukee. No, I'm Pat. I'm Pat. You're Milwaukee. What time is it? No, no, you're Milwaukee. Jill, did you see this orb? Ring.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
You don't even know what we're doing. Hello. We'd like to give you Terry Rozier. I just want horse. Where did Dan go?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
It's the Bucks. What if I could tell you that you could leave today with Alec Burks and Kashaw Johnson? You called the Tampa Bay Bucks, I'm sorry. I just want horse. Interested in Drew Smith? He could be yours today. All it's gonna cost you is Giannis Antetokounmpo. You also have to take Terry Verzier. Stop calling.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Grow a pair. Tell your parents, I'm not going to an all boys school.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
We gotta bump him. Davion Mitchell's off the table.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ich habe gute Nachrichten für alle hier. Sie haben gestern gewonnen, also sind sie jetzt 7-33. Und das Rundifferenzial, boom, steigt zu minus 128. Ein großes Spiel gestern.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ich wurde gesagt, wir haben es. Ungefährdend ist mein Escapade als Panther-Broadcaster für diese Saison fertig, weil die Home-Stands fertig sind. Und jetzt geht FIU weiter, um zu sehen, ob sie hier in der Konferenz-USA-Wettbewerbs-Tournee gehen werden. Sie müssen sich mit Sam Houston-State beschäftigen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Hast du gesehen, wie er da rumspielt? Tell me it's Clint Hurdle again. He's peeking around there. They brought him in for some sort of consultant something and then they got rid of Bud Black and then they moved, you know, their third base coach is now the manager and boom! Guess who's the new bench coach? Clint Hurdle. I think I could be wrong here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
I think we may have a situation where a team fires a manager twice in a season.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
You fire him twice so you make Clint Hurdle the manager again. I don't know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ich dachte, du wärst ein A1-Zuhörer meiner Broadcasts. Was für ein Weg, den Tag nach Mutter's Day zu finden. Nicht ein guter Tag, den zu finden. Aber überhaupt, nichts, keine Geschichten.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
You don't know that. Exactly right. It's just wild. Roy comes out and he says, guess what? I was not a member of the media after all. I was a fan just getting free tickets and now he's just taking free tickets. My ass. I'm credentialed. What are you talking about? Free tickets.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ich weiß nicht, ob Ron McGill es diese Woche oder nächste Woche hat, aber ich habe einen Bewegung, den ich versuchen habe zu starten, nämlich einen Panther Preserve auf dem FIU-Kampus, right behind the right field wall, which a lot of people are telling me is not a good idea, to have live Florida Panthers there. But why is that?
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Es heißt Journalismus, Freund. Willst du es versuchen?
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
He's winning too many Peabody's? He got delayed. He will be here at 11.15.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Do you think he could rock a pony to sleep, right? Like very easily. If he wanted to, like a baby, cradle it and rock it. Yeah.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. What do you mean? Well, they have a preserve on campus, they just don't have any panthers. I'd like to give them room to roam if possible. Do you guys not want to aid endangered species?
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I thought about Adam McKay today, Dan, because Mike was telling me about some rain something. Atmospheric river. Yeah, he's all about this atmospheric river.
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Exactly, that's right. Das ist nicht nur normales, tägliches Regen, das passiert. Das ist ein Ereignis, das noch nie passiert ist. Michael sagt mir, dass es meistens im Westen passiert. Weißt du was, zeig mir deinen Kohlenstoff-Footprint, die beiden von euch, weil du das Problem bist, gerade jetzt. Verzeihung, dass das passiert und Verzeihung, dass deine Aktionen es verursachen.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
But imagine an atmospheric river and the oceans rising. I mean, you're getting hit from both sides.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
It sounds scarier than it is. Hurricane season is right around the corner, friends. Also carbon monoxide, the silent killer.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Just real quick, back to the boners. Right after this ad.
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I'm getting a vibe that I did not ask for actually here.
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We all knew the gerbil story.
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Well, the gerbil had gotten into Richard Gere, I think.
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And so the NFL and rather the networks that have the rights to the most important piece of cultural real estate that we have now, they decide to change gears.
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What I found out is that you guys are already better friends with each other than you are with me, which is a hard thing to learn three seconds into a program. Yeah.
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And this now, this Michael Jackson halftime show is the thing that all of us know.
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Literally, American culture was never the same because In Living Color threatened those dancing children in the Metrodome.
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The war was over. Yes. Right. Nuclear deterrence had prevailed.
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In no way will this age poorly to be laughed at later by podcasters revisiting the history of this program.
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Luckily, though, this year, there is thankfully zero subtext when it comes to such a topic with the current performer we're about to watch together.
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Yeah. Sarah, it's good to see you.
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The last time you were on the show, you were super horny for mascots, and I presume that's still the case.
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I did want to talk about... The curious case of tech mogul, Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson is a guy who may have come to your attention recently because he posted a tweet about his boner as it compares to his son's boner. And in case you are wondering, why am I using these words? This feels gross. Here's the tweet. Quote, nighttime erection data from my 19-year-old son at Talmadge Johnson and me.
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His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Raise children to stand tall, be firm, and be upright. Followed by all of these biometric boner charts. So, you know. This is the guy, in case you weren't familiar, also in the documentary, Don't Die. He's the guy. You guys, I mean, hold on. Before I go any further.
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You guys had heard of Brian Johnson before I said we got to learn about the boner data? Yeah.
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You know that lady's name.
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This is what Brian Johnson looks like in the photo Sarah was alluding to as he was engaged in Project Babyface. So Brian Johnson, Sarah, is the guy who is basically on a mission to reverse aging. And he has done this in a way that has been startling and has a sports context. LeBron James famously has been spending $1 million a year on his body.
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But Brian Johnson, in comparison, spends about $2 million a year on his body. And so that's according to reporting from Ashley Vance, formerly of Bloomberg, who chronicled this, was involved with the documentary. He's now running a great publication called Core Memory, in which he talked about interviewing Brian Johnson.
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This is a very rich tech guy who's like, I'm going to be the face and the leader of a movement in which I'm going to basically discover where people have been too afraid to go when it comes to living forever. And in case you were wondering, wanted to find out, how does one measure such boner data? You do it this way.
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Turgid. Turgid.
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When else is turgid used if not for erection description?
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Exactly. Flaccid and turgid are the yin and yang of boner adjectives. Yeah.
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A real goofus and gallon situation. Turgeon and Flaccid. The highlights magazine of sexual health. What Brian Johnson is trying to say, though, about his erection and his son's erection is that they are... They're nighttime erections. Just clarifying. They're nighttime erections. Nocturnal. His nocturnal... Separate, not put together.
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Well, separate and unequal, it turns out, is what he's making the case. His son, Brian Johnson is trying to assert that his nighttime nocturnal turgidity is to be reckoned with. And Sarah, I just want to explain who Brian Johnson is because he is the star of this doc called Don't Die on Netflix.
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I want to just give a clip from the trailer just to give a sense for people to catch up real quick on what kind of an archetype we're dealing with. You don't, though. So it stops on a clip of them in a photo shoot. It's Brian, his dad, and Brian's son, who is the aforementioned... Talmadge. Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge.
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They basically made a sort of just... Yeah, they gave plasma to each other, youngest to next oldest, in a way that feels... Like exactly what we were joking that Peter Thiel was doing with his blood boy in Silicon Valley. Brian Johnson is saying this is part of his very detailed and now public plan for how you can live forever. Right, yeah. Vampire your children.
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Yeah, it's however many monkeys in a room eventually typing out boner data, I believe is how that old saying goes. Brian Johnson, by the way, it's just interesting how, like I mentioned Peter Thiel, who was, again, from the PayPal mafia famously with Elon and David Sachs and all these gargoyles that we know now.
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But Brian Johnson, he had built an online payment processing company himself called Braintree, which bought Venmo. And then he sold Braintree, it turns out, to PayPal in 2013 for $800 million, which is to say that somehow like online payment processing is a real through line in the dystopian future we have entered.
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I mean, what he's saying is that one of the indicators of the way in which he has slowed the rate of aging is nighttime erections. And so Brian Johnson, at age 47, is on par with his 19-year-old.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He did quote tweet the tweet from his dad saying, quote, I'm grateful for the way my dad has raised me, period.
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He's in the turgid place.
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Right. I do feel like for all the sincerity and for all the pills and for all of the, you know, 4.30 a.m. wake-ups he has, like, it must suck when someone's like, it kind of looked like you're in your mid-40s. Right. You guys are familiar with ESPN announcer Mark Jones, right?
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Well, I just want to know what program Mark Jones is on. Mark Jones is 63 years old.
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Mark Jones looks younger than Brian Johnson, and it's not close.
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Wyatt, what did you bring us today on this edition of Share and Tell?
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I actually just want to jump in to say that it's amazing that the NWSL, the National Women's Soccer League, did the thing that every Think PC analyst in sports has been musing about, which is abolish the draft. No league in America has done that of this stature. And so the experiment, which I have been, I'm one of those people in that choir, by the way, of just like,
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Look, there are two levels, Wyatt. One is the level of fairness, obviously. It's insane always that in this industry, in sports, you have zero control despite having all of this value over what you are and where you are going to actually use your talents to... mis-paraphrase LeBron James.
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But then the second level is like, well, doesn't that also, as much as I love the draft, raise new opportunities for like what to do in replacement of it? The television show of the draft, you abolish that too. And that's always, John Skipper says it all the time. Like the reason he would never want to do it is because the TV show.
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But now you're actually forced to be creative about the entertainment of a world that is more fair. And now, again, far more open in terms of like how you're going to go around both making decisions and then portraying them to your audience.
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It's an amazing thing, right? Like the argument for the draft is inescapably socialist. And we have all of these capitalists who are saying we must have this because that is parody, right? Like otherwise, small markets will lose out to big markets.
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The most marquee teams will always get the best players because why would they want to go to fill in the blank, you know, Cincinnati slash whatever, like just also ran market.
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And again, I am somebody who... Like, my whole thing on tanking, right, is that the problem with tanking is that it works. It makes sense to do it because you're following incentives. Like, it's an amazing thing to have the number one overall pick because you suck. Right. But in a world in which there is no draft... How have these decisions been made?
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Like, what's happening, I guess, is my question. Now, the experiment for the first time is finally being run in America.
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Oh, right.
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Make it so that instead of the employer saying, having all of these suitors, you flip, turn the tables. Right.
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Yes.
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At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, we talk about what we found out today on a show about finding out stuff. And I found out just now that Sarah Spain has been holding a banana as not a prop, but actual food and has been restraining herself from using it as a metaphor made real, which I must applaud.
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At this rate, I don't think I want anybody to ever see the data that is inside of me. I don't think that's going to go well.
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The beginning of this topic.
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Right.
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So I didn't know anything about this. Neither did I. And I've thought a lot about the Halftime Show as a cultural institution before. I didn't know about this until you brought it to us and we actually looked into it.
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I mean, it actually does like demand a further explanation because it does not make sense the sentence that you have said.
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All right, we don't need to do just a straight-up impersonation parody of me.
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Why, Wyatt, did you even discover that In Living Color was involved at all in this?
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And so... Well, to remind people, right? This is, I mean, I don't want to lead with Jim Carrey, but Jim Carrey was on In Living Color. Sure. You had Damon Wayans, you had Jim Carrey, you had David Alan Grier. Jennifer Lopez was a fly girl.
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Yes.
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It's the least thinkable thing now to go head-to-head against the Super Bowl halftime show. But at this point in 1992, Fox sees this opportunity when CBS has a Super Bowl and they say, let's create a distraction that's going to steal audience and bring it over to us just for the period of halftime.
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It's very nice to meet you. I'm not a good host. I'm not introducing people.
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I love why they have a clock in the bottom left corner. They're very clear about what they're trying to do. It's like they're playing a prank on CBS specifically.
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I just like the idea of, on one channel is the In Living Color Super Bowl halftime party, And then in the Metrodome in Minneapolis is what is being hailed as this.
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Who says feel the cold? It's winter magic, Wyatt. You know.
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I mean, were you a big enough fan to continue watching this? No. Nope. Like the visuals on this, their umbrellas with snowflakes painted on.
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It's February. It's a Super Bowl. They're like doing, it's kind of mind-blowing. It's like, again, Brian Boitano, Dorothy Hamill, the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team. Right, yeah. Shows up at one point.
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They do the dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy at one point. And meanwhile, over on Fox, this is happening.
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Holding a giant plastic, like, cheeseball jug just full of steroids. Right. They were, like, poking fingers in all of the eyes available to them.
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I was going to say.
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I was going to say, I'm also, and I'm here too on the show. Yeah, you're fine on it.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
Pablo, is this your way of saying thanks for winning two first place awards at the Sports Podcast Awards? Is this why I'm being called in? Hi. Hi. I don't know why anyone's mad at me, frankly. So what's going on?
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
it's you've got a lot of producers and they uh they they spend their days uh making emmy nominations filling out forms so this is actually a helpful moment i guess to clarify um the award i won um first of all samson's i guess mad that the jpeg on the award for sporty class was my show logo um sorry that the jpeg is not david sampson's face i guess um i will apologize for that i'm not
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I apologize for the producers on my show. The award that I won was best sports documentary podcast. I don't know if you guys know what a documentary is, but it's not you call someone after they call, you know, to expect congratulations after dropping off their daughter at school to yell at them. It's an award that you get for having high degree of difficulty episodes you produce every week.
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So, cool, cool, cool party I just walked into.
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I did. I did. A big part of this, I think, is that David Sampson, who is very good on the sporting class, an episode that I host, not coincidentally, is he has no idea how the Internet works. So David was mad at me yesterday for like tagging John Skipper, but the wrong John Skipper on Instagram.
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He sent me a screenshot of John's Twitter account to point out that I clearly tagged the wrong one, not knowing that Twitter and Instagram or X and Instagram are two separate platforms. So when David says you have all these producers, I think he literally means sometimes you have someone else who understands what the internet is. And in this case, that person was me. Don't tell me what I mean.
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So I'm walking the streets of New York and I can maybe find some like actual metaphorical comparison points. Like right here is a very fancy restaurant. It's like best in class, like incredible elevated French food. And over there somewhere is like a hot dog stand. And I feel like the hot dog stand is yelling at the French restaurant for having too many employees.
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I love hot dogs. It's just not best documentary at the Sports Podcast Awards. That's fine.
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It's just just a black coffee. I'm sorry. You're actually a hardworking person. Yeah. Yeah.
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This is the second place baseball. Come on.
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He just congratulated me. So I just wanted to tell him, you know, thank you.
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You were saying, Sam?
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Honestly, guys, I'm walking around here like Belle in Beauty of the Beast. People are popping out of their windows to say hello. A guy with a baguette just rolled by. All right. incredible.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
There it is. Thank you. Yes, there it is. That feels like another metaphor.
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PTFO - One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
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Share & Cool & Tell with David Dennis Jr. and Mina Kimes
I need a ruling from my compatriot here.
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Say it. What's he writing down in that notebook?
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Oh, no. Megan Fox? Are you saying he looks like Megan Fox?
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I mean. Oh.
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She definitely lied to me on some how she looked. Chelsea told me she looked like Megan Fox.
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But... At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. I'm very attracted to her. I can work with that. What an emotional rollercoaster.
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Here's the pitch.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
I groan and run my fingernails across his neck, and he gasps a strangled moan. You're going to unmanned me, Ana. You take me. I sit down onto him, reveling in the fullness of my possession, reveling in his reaction, watching his unravel beneath me. I feel like a goddess. Ana, touch me, please. I lean forward and steady myself with my hands on his chest. Come on, baby. I need this. Give it to me.
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And I explode, my body a slave to his, and wrap myself around him, clinging to him like a vine as he crowds out my name and climaxes with me, then collapses his full weight, pressing me into the mattress. Future Hall of Famer, Chipper Jones.
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I know, I know. He's gone now. You know, he came down here to Miami as a loser four years ago, and now he goes back as a two-time...
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
He loves everything, this guy. That's right, that's right. I just hope that he stays in Akron, Ohio, there in Cleveland, however he goes back to South Beach.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
They're saying that they're going to finish sixth in the Eastern Conference. I'm saying they're going to go to the finals this year. We don't need LeBron. That's right. We got Louis Hogan. That's the man of the hour. We still have Wade. Don't forget about Wade. We got Wade. We got Butch. We got Louis Hogan.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
We got Roddy, and we got Mickey Harrison, and we got McLaughlin, and we got Danny Green, and we got who else we got? We got a bunch of new guys.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
That's right, that's right. I heard that LeBron is coming back to play here on Christmas Day, which I'm going to send a message to all the Heat fans here, you know, when they say number 23, from the Cleveland Cavaliers, LeBron James. You know, we're going to tell the people, the fans in Miami, just not to say anything, not to applaud the guy or not to bully the guy. Just ignore the guy. Terrible.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
I grab the bag and dart into the bathroom, away from the unnerving proximity of naked Christian. Michelangelo's David has nothing on him. In the bathroom, it is all hot and steamy. I strip off my clothes and quickly clamber into the shower, anxious to be under the cleansing stream of water. It cascades over me, and I haul up my face into the welcoming torrent. I want Christian Grey.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
I want him badly. Simple fact. For the first time in my life, I want to go to bed with a man. I want to feel his hands and his mouth on me. Let's go States!
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
Get out of here, Dan. I got this. I'll take it from here. Give it to me. Give it to me again. Give it to me again. You can go back home, but the trophy stay here. 24-point first half from Wade. Cleveland hasn't seen something catch fire like that since they're dumping toxic lake. Feliz ano nuevo. Wade tore you a new one, buddy. Hey, LeBron, how many free throws did you miss last night?
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
Not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven. Ha! LeBron raises his arm after the Hitch classy video tribute. I raise a finger. There is no I in Hitch, but there are multiple L's in Cleveland. Giving love. I haven't seen that many bricks in Miami since Scarface. Give it to me again. I'm not finished. Give it to me again. One more time. Give it to me again.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
LeBron fell one shrug of weight's point total. He's also one shy of weight's ring total. And he is three shy of weight's testicle total. Dan Gilbert was more red-faced than your city's racist baseball logo. They didn't have an answer for Hassan Whiteside. Ha, ha, ha. Rebounding juggernaut Kevin Love only had five rebounds last night.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 6
Multiply that by four, and you got the number of Browns starting quarterbacks since 1999. Hey, hey, what do Halle Berry, Arsenio Hall, the Browns, and LeBron James all have in common? They all had to leave Cleveland to achieve success. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Give it to me again. Give it to me again. Okay, okay. I'm going to list all the great things about Cleveland now. That was the list.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Not even the Basketball Hall of Fame has the tape of Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game, by the way, as their historian explained to us. They've never even had an official exhibit devoted to Wilt. But this show now has two independently sourced recordings of the pivotal fourth quarter, plus a third, entirely different box of tapes that I need to tell you about.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Because this is a box of tapes that contains Gary's interviews, which we're going to curate for you as part of this exhibit here today.
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We can relate. We can relate here. You know, Gary, one of our joys was that we actually did unearth your 22-year-old interview tapes because at Emory University, at the Rare Book Library manuscript collection number 890, we found your archive. And just tell me how you feel as we go back to March 1962.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is Bill Campbell that you're hearing. This is the play-by-play announcer in Philly, WCAU, the radio broadcast. But it's one of your interviewees, a primary source here, who is in the game somewhere on the court, Joe Rucklick, that I wanted to ask you about because Joe Rucklick sounds like he might be a guest on the McAfee show at times, revisiting some of these tapes.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Hearing you in 03 talk to Joe Rucklick is a time machine inside of a time machine.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Why do you think it's fake? Well, his allegation seems to be even a little more pointed than that. It was that Bill Campbell wasn't even there, actually. He wasn't really the announcer.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
As for just how Bush League Game 75 really was, I should acknowledge that Joe Rucklick, dead wrong about the tape of the fourth quarter being this false flag operation. Also, relatedly, it's funny that none of the online conspiracists that we mentioned before did enough research to be able to cite Joe Rucklick's theory in the first place.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But it is pretty easy to imagine why the whole event did feel a bit confused.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But Wilt Chamberlain, as he later explained in an interview with Bob Costas, was keeping score.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Are we sure?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Kind of hungover. And so yes, Wilt would go on to average 50 points a game that season, but the man primarily tasked with stopping the single most unstoppable offensive performance in basketball history, arguably all of sports history, was not supposed to be starting that night. And instead, what he became was the answer to a trivia question. Forever. Forever.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Granny style.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What did Daryl say to you particularly, Gary, if you recall, in your interview with him about the refs?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Do you remember the first time you heard somebody casting aspersions on the subject that you have literally written the book about?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I need to observe that everybody who's been trying to undermine Wilt's record by asking if it really happened has been asking the wrong question. Because what Daryl Imhoff is arguing here as one of the principles is not that the 100-point game never took place.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What Daryl is arguing is that compared to other great performances, Wilt's 100 was abnormal and ultimately illegitimate to the point of being, quote, a farce.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
There's a moment, you know, just in terms of recreating when people began to realize we're witnessing something that we'll be talking about forever. There's the moment where Bill Campbell, the play-by-play guy on the radio broadcast, says...
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
This brings us, as we get deeper into the fourth quarter, Gary, to the 98-point mark. So the psychology of the 98-point moment here. Who gets the ball to Will? How does this play unfold here?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What was the call? What was the sequence of events to get to the number?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And yeah, I understand why. I mean, it's worth remembering here that the most enduring image of that night, the thing that everybody remembers still today, was the Big Dipper holding a piece of paper with the number of points he scored written on it. But the person responsible for that meme, it turns out, was not Wilt Chamberlain. It was the same Warriors statistician that Gary mentioned earlier.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
A man named Harvey Pollack.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Well, that's it, right? The discrepancy between what the radio announcer was saying versus the official score. There's all this confusion. You hear it on the tape a couple of times. But what the octopus...
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He makes sure to establish that there is no ambiguity around how many points Will Chamberlain scored because he does the thing that results in the one piece of evidence that I think every basketball fan has seen.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I should point out what might now feel obvious, which is that every person that Gary Pomerantz has mentioned to this point, every voice you've heard on this episode has passed away. This will forever be a story about hidden boxes and lost recordings and secondary sources and truly tricky ambiguities.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
which is something that Wilt Chamberlain himself, who died in 1999, eventually learned to accept.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But in our research near the end here, we were able to find one last primary source for the online exhibit we've been building. A person who at 86 years young still has a unique and even poetic perspective on what really happened in Hershey, Pennsylvania on March 2nd, 1962. Tom, give me the pronunciation of your name. I just want to make sure I'm getting it right.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Meshary. Okay, good, good, good, good. Didn't know where the accent or the stress was going to be, but Meshary makes total sense.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Masheria Moore. Yes, a different nickname for a bruiser power forward.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And Tom Asheri really was good at basketball. The Warriors, who eventually relocated from Philly to the Bay Area, retired his number. And Tom was in the starting lineup playing 40 minutes right alongside his teammate, Will Chamberlain, in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on the day in question.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And while Tom would go on to spend 24 years as a high school English teacher and also write five books of poetry and six novels and two memoirs... On my mother's side, I'm related to the local story. He still thinks about Hershey. All the time. In part because it was his very first season. in the NBA.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I'm getting the sense that as much as you were a guy who was not there to shoot that night, you enjoyed spectating yourself.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Yeah, look, the question of why people question it.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Well, one of the things I wanted to fact check with you was a theory of a different kind, because one of the people that was interviewed by Gary Pomerantz in his book is a gentleman by the name of Daryl Imhoff. You remember Daryl in some?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Why? Why did you do that, Tom?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I'm getting the sense that the Mad Manchurian may have also earned that nickname because you also tried to hit Daryl with a chair.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So the anniversary of one of the most iconic performances in the history of sports is approaching on Sunday. But what most distinguishes Wilt Chamberlain's single game scoring record is that right now, for each of his points on March 2nd, 1962, there appears to be just as many questions. 60 plus years later,
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But I bring up Daryl Imhoff now not simply because you have this personal backstory with him, but because I need you to help fact-check something that he told Gary Pomerantz that we discovered in the course of fact-checking the story of that night. Because the allegation that Daryl makes, of course, is not that the 100 points did not happen. He was there.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He, in fact, personally was responsible for quite a number of those points, trying to guard Wilt. The allegation that Daryl Imhoff made on tape was this, quote, The 100-point game was a farce.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He accused you guys of pouring it on.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I do need to jump in here and let cooler heads prevail for a second for the sake of posterity, if nothing else. Because, yes, I have apparently go to the bad Manchurian at age 86 back into bloodlust. But also because the thing that courses inside of Tom, the thing in his blood, as mentioned before. Is really poetry.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And so you may not be surprised to find out at this point that the Big Dipper was not just a teammate and a friend to Tom, but also a muse.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Would you mind reading some of the poem that you just wrote last night for me?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I was wondering when the Mad Manchurian might read from his latest work.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Tom, the mad Manchurian, the poet laureate of the NBA, you contain multitudes and you observed multitudes. And I very, very sincerely thank you for joining us.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And on and on it goes across Reddit and TikTok and YouTube to the point where we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out got a voicemail about this topic at our detective agency hotline, 513-85-Pablo. Hey, Pablo.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Now, those callers sounded reasonable enough to us that we finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of what seems to be a global mystery. And the first person we called was Stanford professor Gary Pomerantz, the aforementioned author of the book Wilt 1962. And Gary immediately established something.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He established that one tricky thing about fact checking Wilt Chamberlain is that Wilt Chamberlain's whole brand was to be larger than life.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I had to do a lot of just reacquainting myself with history as well for this. Wilt was singing his own tune, literally, on American Bandstand, right? By the river, down by the river.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
That's the number that people are most, you know, had been most obsessed with, that statistic, 20,000.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
When you heard from us, Gary Pomerantz, that we wanted to do this topic because of what people had been saying on the Internet, were you excited?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
You should know that Hershey, Pennsylvania, population in 1962, about 7,000, sits in the shadow of Amish country. That's where the chocolate capital of America is located, which doesn't entirely explain why there is no full recording of the Philadelphia Warriors game against the visiting New York Knicks on March 2nd, 1962. But electricity in general was scarce. The game wasn't televised.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
The NBA, as Gary said, was basically a lounge act. But the sport was big enough for an AM radio station, WCAU Philadelphia. Except it soon became clear, particularly to legendary play-by-play man Bill Campbell, who was frantically calling technicians back at the station in Philly, that nobody involved with this broadcast had actually kept a tape of the game. which then created a puzzle of its own.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But very recently, about 60-plus years later, something kind of crazy Because we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out found a Philly basketball fan by the name of Sammy Marcus. And Sammy Marcus had never given an interview about this before. But in 1962, Sammy used to listen to every Warriors radio broadcast. On March 2nd, however, that Friday, he decided to do something different.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He went to go see the Elizabeth Taylor film Butterfield 8. And then...
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And so Sammy ran over to his friend's house with his own recorder and microphone, and he bootlegged that puzzle piece right off the speakers. And it's a tape he still has today.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
all of which is how the NBA got a copy of a grainy secondhand recording of history, or at least a fraction of that history. But as for the rest of Wilt's pivotal fourth quarter, including the Knicks' possessions, the way we wound up finding that involved a different box entirely.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And this puzzle piece, it turns out, was the full fourth quarter. But it wasn't taped in Hershey. At all, actually. It was taped at UMass Amherst by an aspiring student broadcaster named Jim, who listened by rigging his transistor radio to the five-story heating pipe in his dormitory.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And that night, in that dorm, Jim broke out a reel-to-reel tape recorder, apparently, the one his girlfriend had been using for elocution lessons, And many years later, those reels would finally find their way back home.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Oh my God.
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I was at a wedding recently with Mina, and she got hammered.
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It's entirely relevant. It's the one topic where it is relevant.
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Weddings are the ultimate party.
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They're their own thing.
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Because I was talking to her.
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You're just talking like this.
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They can't stop my homies. No, that's not how I sound. They're trying to go too deep. They're trying to do too deep.
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There was a lot of slurred positive reinforcement now that I think about it.
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Mina, what did you bring us clear-headedly to discuss today?
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When he was the 45th president.
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And then 47.
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I mean, not wrong, not wrong. Also incoherent.
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Yeah, like Violet loves grilled cheese. Like that's a 99% success rate. But also sometimes she just won't want to eat it.
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Katie. Yeah, I'm... You use this. I know. You among us are clearly the most power user.
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Do you agree that TikTok and its popularity is rooted in this? branding that it's the one social media app where you actually tend to feel good. Like that seems to be, it's joyous, it's fun.
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Right. So like part of my understanding was that TikTok in America was very different from TikTok in China and that we got the version that is far more brain rotting than the one in China. And that to your point about like, is it corrupting its users health in some way? I can see the argument there. That made sense.
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When it comes to like privacy, though, which is another big plank in this sort of argument, it just feels like nobody cares. Yeah. Like, as much as it is on paper a really important priority, nobody cares.
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Including the TikTok CEO.
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But Mina, the whole thing about like kids, it's also adults who just, I think are like, we are so far gone. Yeah. Like we're not losing sleep over this. And so who's actually fighting for the banning of this thing other than people who are worried about, you know, the Chinese government from a governmental political perspective?
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Right after this ad.
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Katie, like the whole thing about we're going to lose all of this stuff. What would you have missed the most as you were contemplating TikTok being at least temporarily banned?
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So did it feel like that though? Is that part of TikTok's whole thing? Is that unlike Instagram where it's like tied to your, to some real account? Like TikTok was sort of a more open field of...
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Well, it's the opposite of, like, the typical child psychology thing of, like, they like playing with the cardboard box more than they like what's in it. Like, Nino has fancy tastes. Nino is ordering, like, from the bottom of the menu up. He's looking at the prices.
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Yeah, kind of. But that question being of, like, what can you not do?
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get elsewhere like what is this doing that the other places that we're all subscribed to in ways that make us think we're all so far gone on privacy that why do we even care anymore we have so many of these apps like that part like is there a unique argument for what tiktok was able to cultivate i think katie just made it right which is like the idea of like regular people surfing a wave and that discovery you would get from seeing someone who either was just very funny you
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Yeah, I think that it's hard to say that this is uniquely harmful, even if it is maybe uniquely compromised by the government that had sort of co-signed it and exported it to us. But I guess the question is, would you rather have newspapers or this? Newspapers. This is where I would insert that song that you said you were going to find. You can insert it in post.
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So our producers, using sophisticated artificial intelligence adjacent technology, did a bit of scouting. They found some faces from around the NFL playoffs and the outer regions they're in. And we're going to see what it's like when some people look like, I don't know. What is this? What's the way I want to say this? What's the way I want to say this?
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Show the first photo.
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Yeah. We're hot or nodding. The coaches as women. The female versions of a variety of men involved in the NFL. Because I looked for that list that Mina had referenced. No one had done it. And so we were the change we wanted to see in the world.
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Yeah. Andrea Reid.
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Does she look friendly to you?
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I think that she has lots of things that she has recipes for that have numbers in the title. Like a six cheese macaroni.
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Did you not know this? What do we got next?
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Here we go.
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Speaking of precocious.
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Also named CJ. CJ works, I think.
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Catherine Jane Stroud. I'm getting high school musical. I'm getting a sunniness in her eyes. I think this person likes to dance in a group setting. I think she's cool.
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Was the hair changed? Was the hair changed at all? Barely.
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Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know this person, right?
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He did host a reality show.
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That seemed less likable than he is now.
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Field hockey.
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Yeah, part down the middle.
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Look at her. Mina's encountered Samantha before.
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honestly any Instagram post that's in like the second person that's a thing it's a thing right you'll do it yeah it's like you're a civil war general writing to I just I may be full disclosure I may be related to some people who do this and I can't I definitely have people in my life I'm nervous about putting this out there into the universe yeah everyone's like compiling like a beautifully like intentionally crafted and tattered scrapbook um
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What's next, guys? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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Hard to look at.
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This is Senator Elizabeth Warren. She just snuck her into this.
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You're so close.
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Shares a first name with someone in your life.
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It's Dan Quinn.
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That's Dan Quinn.
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That's like a... Yo, Dan Quinn is a MILF. Can I just say that? Yeah. I'm into Dan Quinn. You can.
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Patricia Mahomes is a little too eager.
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I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting eager. Thirst.
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So the reason this is remarkable.
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Like, the thing about that theory is that we didn't superimpose your brother's face onto your body. That's actually what the technology gave us.
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For various reasons, this looks... identical to Isaac Kams.
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Mina said it. And that's the best part.
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Yep.
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We're getting some top notes of Garoppolo.
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How did it make her jacked? Some Ricky Martin.
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Katie... This is weird. Sebastian Stan also, people are saying, many are saying. But you're a Chad. She is a Chad. A Giga Chad? A Tetra Giga Chad. A Tetra Chad? How does this compare to your brother, Kevin?
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Do we have another angle on this that we can examine?
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That's Jimmy G. That is Jimmy... This guy, Keith Nolan, loves and deserves the finest adult film star to join him at dinner.
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Myrtle looks completely nonplussed.
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Happy birthday, Myrtle.
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I'm not just saying this, but, like, if you were to split screen this with Melissa McCarthy, it would be pretty... I think there'd be similarities.
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Pretty much the same.
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Oh, hello.
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I look... Again, Katie is a predator. We're learning. But... objectively speaking, you know, you want to protect this. You want to protect this vulnerable creature. Bright eyes, whole life ahead of her.
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I think we should probably stop doing this now.
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This was a successful podcast.
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Great.
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What I found out.
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What I found out at the end of today's episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, is that I will never take lightly Katie Nolan's vulnerability when showing us a TikTok. You guys are out of your minds!
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Sorry, I prefer to save journalism instead of whatever the f*** that was.
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Yeah. This is, this is, this is unfortunately a recurring and genuine phenomenon.
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Why?
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Why is there a dancing small white child in front of Kendrick Lamar? I feel like.
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Okay. Very good.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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Like, you're not like... Yes, dear Violet.
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Dear Violet, you never wipe your hands after you eat. And you like drying those same hands on our leather sofa, which your father admits was a terrible investment in retrospect, given your personal disrespect for it.
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I was going to say, you do look like a boombox holding panda. Is that what Parappa was?
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Parappa was a dog, I'm informed.
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Yeah, it had like a winter beanie.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Miss Rachel? I'm not familiar with Miss Rachel.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Miss Rachel. This is the cinematic, the Sesame Street cinematic universe.
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Hold on, hold on. Show her the guy.
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Okay, so whenever Mina says this guy looks like you, I start off offended and then begrudgingly admit that she's right.
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So I'm going to Google Miss Rachel, Filipino guy. It's going to come up immediately.
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If I grew like a… I mean hot, Pablo. We got to stop doing that.
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We got to stop inventing hotter me's. We got to stop labeling… I'll tell people to stop making them. The Gary Streisky's of the world. The only person I've banned from this program for being… Pablo.
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I regret this episode already.
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I have missed this. Yeah. We haven't done this since the pandemic. The three of us? I think so. I mean, certainly on this show. I think we've certainly, like, seen each other in life.
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In which, again, we talk about our kids, and then you show up late, and we pivot to what we're doing.
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Should we start with a very visual game, or do you want to get into some of the stories that I think we're all legitimately into? It's your show, babe. What should we do?
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Oh, that's right. Hello, Katie Nolan, host of Casuals, a new podcast for all of us to like and subscribe.
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I've not been invited. I've merely just been waiting.
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I'm unbooked and unbusy.
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Well, that's now very sad. Katie, what did you bring us?
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Which is a massive story. Oh, no, it's a massive story. It's a massive story. In fact, can I just explain how massive this story is? Because I was looking for the news coverage of Party City's demise, and we did find this. It appears the party is over for Party City. The party is over for one business that specializes in just that, parties.
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The largest supplier of Mylar balloons, disposable plates, other things that we need.
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Done.
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After 40 years.
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How dare both of you?
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I don't know where you get balloons anymore.
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I mean, look, there are a lot of articles now where it's like, did you know that only 1.7% of Americans have smiled this year? And it's like, f***, people stop smiling. But this is an article that resonates because the whole notion of people throwing parties for each other has like objectively declined. It's happening less and less. And we are, Mina, you are headed to...
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the party capital of the sports world very soon.
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We should do what we always do when we're waiting for Katie to show up. We should do what we always do when she's running late, which is let's talk about our kids. Let's get that out of the way.
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You got to invite all the kids.
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My philosophy on the children's birthday party, first of all, either you got to make it under an hour or like an hour or less, or it needs to be equipped for parents to just hang out and talk. And I am so appreciative for these like, what do you call them? Like these like bouncy floored, like, oh, you can have the kids just like run around like tornadoes and shit. And then we're done. Yeah.
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And then we're done. But the thing about like the party as an institution is that it seems like even the young people are wondering. There was, again, the anecdotal evidence here six months ago on Reddit. Someone asked one of the, quote, saddest questions anyone ever seen on the social platform, which was, quote, did anybody else think there would be more parties?
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How's Nino doing? What are his measurables?
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And the way we grew up and the movies we see. Yeah, I feel like that's that's it feels like that is. not happening in the way that the TV shows had promised us.
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So, okay, so the house party, I should say, because I grew up in New York. You've never really had. Not a f***ing thing.
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Like, not a real thing. So much about New York apartments that they're too small to have people over.
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And so my view of, like, the house party really was just, like, when I got to college, I got a sense of, like, oh, this is what that's like. But I never actually experienced or hosted anything or attended anything like that. Never, never. No one's parents were back in the driveway and we had to rush to, there were no driveways. Oh, that specifically has happened to me. There were no driveways.
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What are you feeding him? What's he into food-wise these days?
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I recently did wonder while I was just unable to sleep one night recently. Like, could I recreate my entire living room from memory?
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I could not.
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Well, that's the takeaway from this article is that like if we all threw two parties a year, that's the action item. America would be in a better place.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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At this point, these news sources I was cultivating informed me of another major development. Because remember when we posed the question about what other videos are there out there? What could there be? Turns out that there, in fact, is another video of Bill Belichick from this ring cam that had been floating out into the ether. And so I want to remind you again, this was the original.
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I mean, he's sort of like wandering around like a dazed bear. Yeah.
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Goes to reach into the... Where's his shirt? Wheel well. The wheel well. Where's his shirt? He's shirtless. Where's the shirt? It's in the wheel well. I got... Good news and bad news.
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The bad news is I have no idea where his shirt is.
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Because here exclusively for the first time is the other video.
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He has a satchel. Yeah, it's got a little murse.
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Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week. And that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building. She is not allowed on the football field.
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Bedhead. That is a clinical case of bedhead.
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Well, I'm glad you asked. Because simultaneously, what at M. Cantau, who turned out to be a German geoguessr, what he sent me is a message. And the message, quote, is, the ring cam is located here. Yeah, that's terrifying. And then he named the town. He named the address. He gave me a couple screenshots from Google Maps.
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I was also sweaty, a bit nervous.
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Because at this point, I decided to take a trip.
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You've raised the number of very legitimate questions about how it is that we just played you a video of me, uh, On that porch.
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Okay, so.
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So the first thing I should explain is that.
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There's a box underneath the table.
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The next thing is the box. Please get the box.
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I'm lightheaded.
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What I should explain is that the day before I went on this reporting trip to this house, I went to Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe's live podcast. Shout out. Shout out to a touch more. And they had gift bags. And this is not a joke. They were literally giving away Ring cams.
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Right after this ad.
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This is my ring cam.
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That we set up at that house.
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Now, what I did do, though— You don't want to touch it anymore?
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I'm scared of it. What I did do, though, as we explain how it is that we have ring camera footage of me doing that, is that I found the Airbnb listing, which had been taken down previously. It was not the same one, but I was matching photos. And I wasn't sure if it was the house. Like, how could you really tell? It wasn't exactly— you know, screenshots of the Ring camera video that we had shown.
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But the smoking gun did reveal itself among the reviews.
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And that review encouraged me to rent this Airbnb. Wow. So... At this point, I'd like to take you on a tour.
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Of my vacation getaway.
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No. So here I am in the foyer. There's the curtain in front of the washer dryer. This is the door to the kitchen.
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You know, it's very nice.
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It's very nice. Railroad style. Long hallway. Okay. And we're at the end of the property. This is about 700 square feet. There's some nautical theme stuff you may see. Very clean, very nice. Opening up of the sheer curtains to the bedroom. Oh, whoa.
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And there is one straight line. It has like, you know, a college dorm sort of scale to it.
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It might be.
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It is the downstairs apartment of a house in Winthrop, Massachusetts. Winthrop, of course.
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just outside of Boston. And so that, yeah, I think that's a full or a double bed.
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Yeah.
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And when I took this tour and I got the gist, I was like, I think my work here is done.
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Yeah. I tried. I tried to be done. Yeah. I tried to leave. But what happened was— Just when you thought you were out. The upstairs owner was like, I want to introduce myself. Oh?
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Once again, Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz-Cain, thank you for being here, and I'm sorry.
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She came downstairs, stopped by, and for better and for worse, recognized me. Oh, dear! Yeah. At which point I said, hi, would you be willing to answer a few questions about your property and what seems to be the most famous porch in Massachusetts? And provided that we kept her anonymous and just used the audio, she agreed. Oh my God. What's your relationship to this place?
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And you guys are sports fans?
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You have papers again in front of you. That's crazy. There's a box. There's a box in this room under this table. We're going to find out what's in the box because this is even weirder than it was last time. That's impossible.
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But it works. So this is the couple that owns the Airbnb. They seem sweet. They do seem sweet. They are very sweet. And something that they make clear, which is insane to me, is that they didn't own it for that long before this all happened to them. And as a new host, as you now learned through her experience with me, she's very friendly. And she offered the same courtesy to Jordan Hudson.
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I am so glad you asked that question. Yes, finally.
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I went on a reporting trip this weekend. What do you mean? I left my family to do this.
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I mean, with that accent, I can only discern this to be the most genuine reaction for a Bostonian Patriots fan to have when he's not sure, is this man Bill Belichick?
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So this was, as Key Context is concerned, the second Airbnb guest they ever had.
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And this was happening. This video was taken on June 28th. 2023 during OTAs, organized team activities in the NFL. And I just need to clarify something because when it comes to how the video originally circulated, how did it get out? This was the original mystery that compelled me to even go, which is like, where did this come from? How did this get out here? Who leaked it?
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This episode will involve yet more online reviews. Oh, God. As a brief foreshadowing. And we tried not to do this. We did an episode about Vladimir Putin's partnership with a German soccer team. Okay. And this was important reporting. And the response from Greg Dickerson on Twitter was, quote, stop wasting your time with the small time stuff like Putin. We need more Belichick ring camera videos.
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And they wanted to be extraordinarily clear that not only was it not them, They regret not making money off of this because this is what happened.
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They sent it to some friends and were like, is this Bill Belichick, the favorite coach of the man who co-owns this house? And everybody that they sent it to was like, of course it is Bill Belichick.
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I think there is a chain of custody beyond which they have zero visibility.
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And someone... I mean, what other proof I have that this is not them has to do with the fact that some of my sources who tipped me off to the fact that this is an Airbnb outside of Boston, I got sent screenshots of group chats from before this was released.
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And it's all... lots of people in the Boston area just talking about how this thing is about to drop and it's just, and they're not in it for whatever that's worth. But lots of people clearly were like trading this video until it made its way out.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry.
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Thanks. Oh, and I should clarify that like a key part of what I'm finding out, by the way, to be very, very clear is that I also don't have any evidence that Jordan Hudson is the one who leaked this.
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So like the whole thing of did Jordan release the tape? Was it her house? Did she release the video herself? The thing that she did that was not the greatest, again, opsec, as they say in like the Defense Department.
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You got it. You got it. Nice. is that it didn't seem like Bill Belichick was aware that, in fact, in the listing for this Airbnb, it very clearly says there's a ring cam as he was wandering back and forth loading his car before 6 a.m., which you can tell also in the timestamps.
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So I do want to go back to the tweet that I feel like is increasingly accurate that Jordan Hudson retweeted.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. Because when you go to that tweet on her page and you click on it and you're like, what is this in response to? It is a response to this awful announcing article that is aggregating a piece of information that I had in our first episode that we did together. And it said, quote, Pablo Torre, colon, Jordan Hudson was around Patriots as early as 2021. That is the response.
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That is the tweet that led Daddy G to say, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. This is also a bit of information that people have doubted. People have doubted whether she could possibly have been around the Patriots in 2021. For instance, on Twitter, there's a guy, Jamie McDonald, who said, quote, yeah, I don't believe a thing this dude says, honestly.
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Maybe she was, but if Pablo Torre is the one saying it, I don't believe it. And then he goes on to further disparage my credibility in general. How dare. The New York Times reported this week, quote, Ms.
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Hudson has not shared publicly when or how her romantic relationship with Mr. Belichick began in earnest, but by the summer of 2023, she was spending time in Foxborough, Mass., where the Patriots are headquartered, end quote. And so this brings us back to this larger question about what did NFL teams know? What did anybody know about their relationship?
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Such that the teams that were contemplating interviewing, even hiring Bill Belichick to be their head coach, and possibly more, which again, no one did. This question sort of rests on this timeline of like, so when was she around? When did this relationship start? When was she around NFL buildings? And so...
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And so after the episode came out and everybody was making a big deal of the fact that I said that Jordan Hudson was banned from the Carolina football facilities, from the field, from the program, that she wasn't welcome there, wasn't wanted there, all that stuff. University of North Carolina had a choice to make when it came to their response. They could have said, this reporter is incorrect.
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I had to figure out how do I prove what I had been told, which is that she was around Gillette Stadium in November, 2021. How do I prove this? And so Michael. Oh no. You got papers in front of you. Oh my God. And I want you to describe what it is that you are seeing.
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Okay. That I didn't know about until last week. I know about this.
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Impression. What I didn't realize is that this was a whole searchable thing with, like, high-definition cameras everywhere where you could zoom in to any part of the stadium.
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It is, in fact, a Patriots Panopticon.
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What I found after exhaustive searching of the Patriots fan cam database... Good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby.
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Was the Sunday, November 28th, 2021, when the Tennessee Titans visited the New England Patriots. I don't understand.
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28th? 28th, 2021. It's the Patriots' 36-13 win over the Tennessee Titans. You may recall it as the time Mac Jones threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns. Ramond Ray Stevenson had 46 yards on the ground. Jacoby Myers, 98 yards receiving. What I learned in my reporting is that Bill Belichick has a row of seats.
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He has multiple seats outdoors, not merely in his luxury box somewhere, but out right beneath the overhang in Gillette Stadium, which is a pretty good seat, it turns out. Good sight lines also cover from the elements. And what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium's fan cams You're telling me that you just went through it?
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I knew roughly the month, November. I didn't know exactly the section. And what was a real mother****er for me was that when you start doing this, the first set of photos is from pregame. And so when you go to that, you don't see... three people who seem to be sitting together in those seats. You, in fact, almost contemplate giving up on this episode entirely.
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She is welcome here. Period. What they did, though, was release a statement.
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Yeah, sure. I don't see anything. Only to realize that, in fact, there's a time-lapse dynamic in which you click forward to like the first quarter. And suddenly materializing in three empty seats are three people that I recognize because a separate bit of photography I had seen before is in fact a photo of Jordan Hudson at a Patriots game. And that is… The next piece of paper.
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So Jordan had posted this photo on Facebook of her and two people that I don't know. And I… did some basic research and may or may not know who they are, but that's largely relevant to what we're doing here. And yes, you can clearly see that this is Jordan Hudson wearing the same outfit in the fan cam video alongside two people who are also wearing the identical outfits.
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I do often think about what New England Bill Belichick would say to North Carolina Bill Belichick when it comes to the concept of distraction and media strategy and who to trust. Because if nothing else, what we are talking about, beyond a story about power, which was the theme of the last episode we did, it's just a story where you pull at any thread and you will find...
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in some cases, a literal thread attached to a mattress in an Airbnb in Massachusetts, or in the case of Gillette Stadium, a trail that goes back on camera that is verifiable years earlier. And all I'm saying is, The whole thing about, like, don't be a distraction, do your job, we don't talk or worry about the media.
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We are seeing one character become so opposite that it has been disorienting for everybody involved.
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So this is where I do need to reiterate that for all of my reporting here, neither Jordan Hudson nor Bill Belichick nor the University of North Carolina has responded to our requests for comment. And look, yes, this story may have very, very dumb aspects to it. Fully acknowledge that.
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but it is also the story of the most highly paid public employee in the state of North Carolina today, who also happens to be the greatest coach in the history of America's most popular sport, as well as the foremost cultural example of what it means to do your job and eliminate distraction, as he preached to the greatest and most famous quarterback of all time, who was publicly joking about the video whose mystery we have now solved today.
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And so look, yes, if you think sports are important, I find it hard to not treat this story as worthy of inspection, regardless of the whole age gap dynamic, regardless of the whole he met her on a plane when she was 19 years old thing, although I also consider that worth mentioning.
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She became the person Bill Belichick empowered to the point where he told North Carolina to CC her on every single email sent to him.
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She was managing his public image and actual media businesses, and the people who diminish her influence, as well as fail to consider the influence this had on NFL hiring processes, clearly didn't talk to the same people that I have now interviewed, let alone his family and his inner circle and university administrators. But Jordan Hudson and I agree on two things, at the very least.
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Number one, I really do need a new hobby. I've spent way too much time reporting, fact-checking. For instance, this week, the New York Times reported that Jordan Hudson has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are now engaged to be married. What I can tell you is that as recently as March, Belichick told a friend who directly asked him about this that they are not engaged.
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And if they are, mazel tov. But the second thing that Jordan Hudson and I absolutely agree on brings me back to Winthrop, Massachusetts.
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She doesn't work here, that's for sure. Which is an interesting thing that only became more accentuated when Bill Belichick resumed his press tour for this book that was the whole heart of the CBS Sunday morning thing that went haywire. And the messaging seemed to take on a very deliberate new tone.
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It has an in-unit washer and dryer, a dining area slash workspace, excellent water pressure, by the way, a relatively new smart television, a full-size bed with freshly changed sheets, and this sheer curtain, which provides some privacy, but not quite as much as you'd think. 5 stars.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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So, you know, it just seems like there has been a change, right? They had a new PR person. This guy, Brandon Faber, used to work for the Chicago Bears. He's now the PR person in charge. It's not Jordan Hudson. She is, as Belichick said, off to the side. Only a personal thing, not personal and professional, as she had said in that statement previously released.
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But it was complicated, I thought, when I heard Channing Crowder, one of the co-hosts of the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark, the last interviewer in that montage, because he described his experience on set with Bill Belichick in that interview like this.
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A bit more complicated behind the scenes once again. The second reaction I have, though, is that I want Katie Nolan to turn over the first page.
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You might need to. I mean, look, what's been happening is that Jordan Hudson has been sidelined.
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Except she's also still around.
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She is not speaking, actually.
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First page only.
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She's not incorrect that my life has been consumed by this story. And she is so correct, actually, that the real reason I summoned you here is not for any of the shit we just ran through.
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It's to get to the fact that there is a thing that we didn't even put into the original episode that we did.
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I'm excited and scared.
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It became world famous, and I mean that literally, because of Tom Brady. who Katie Nolan may recall from his work with the New England Patriots.
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Because he was the center of a Netflix roast, and everybody who was there was some version of associated or instrumental to the New England Patriots and their dynasty, including Bill Belichick. And when millions of people around the world tuned in, they heard Tom Brady say this.
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It's not dissimilar either. Are you guys familiar with this RingCam video?
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I'm scared of it. No, because it went viral, truly, in November 2023. But the video, for those not familiar, did look like this.
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Well, what happened with this video is that there have been a flood of questions.
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But nobody has ever determined the truth of where this video comes from. Until. When it was taped. If there are other videos out there. Until. Now. Until now.
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So the Ring camera in question, the video that got circulated all over the internet, some Boston-area person actually watermarked it. It went viral. And it was most famously described in my research this way, quote, DailyMail.com can reveal the expatriate's coach was sneaking out of the Massachusetts home of his 24-year-old former cheerleader girlfriend, Jordan Hudson.
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The Ring footage, believed to be from November last year, shows the legend shirtless opening the front door of Hudson's $800,000 Massachusetts property in the early hours of the morning. What? weird detail a lot of people by the way because of this i think understandably uh they have theorized that did this leak come from inside the house yeah as it were did jordan hudson
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maybe leak this, is a theory that has been promulgated. I can tell you that Bill Belichick's own family has been terrified, panicked by this video existing. Imagine if suddenly your 70-year-old patriarch is shown shirtless, you know, bountifully. Bountifully? Effectively. Zoftig, I believe.
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And they say, where did this come from? What else is happening here?
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Yeah. And in fact, one NFL executive whose team discussed hiring Bill Belichick last offseason before the entire league turned Belichick down, says their front office saw the video, didn't know what to make of this video when it got circulated online. This has been a big part of the story behind the scenes.
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It is a missing piece of Belichick's personal and professional trajectory, to paraphrase Jordan Hudson before. And I didn't want to take any of this reporting at face value, of course. So when I appeared on a podcast, pardon my take, I used their platform to say this. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy, Rainbolt, who's the geocaster guy.
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Yeah, he's incredible. And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery.
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He's the geoguessing goat.
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Okay.
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And he said at 9.12 a.m., I've been sent that podcast clip many times, ha-ha, period. I'm not home for about a week, but just LMK what you need from me, and I can see what I can do later. Salute emoji. I respond, send him some screenshots, the video that you saw of Belichick, the ring cam, and he replied, currently at 18,000 feet in Nepal, but I'll do my best, ha ha ha ha ha, exclamation point.
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What? Supposed to be back Tuesday, but will send to friends that can get an early jump that are just as talented.
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The side side story is that apparently... There is an Avengers-level roster of geoguessers. That's sick. Because what Rainbolt says on Saturday at 10.06 a.m. is, all right, sent out to about eight highly skilled individuals. Terrifying. Including At M. Cantau, who is a wizard in his own right, will keep you updated, exclamation point.
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My army of eight geoguessers. proceeded to be on the case. And as I'm waiting for this army of eight geoguessers to help us with our reporting, simultaneously, because I've been on all these things, all these shows, talking about this story in my reporting. So many. I started getting a couple tips.
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And what these tips started suggesting to me, and I had to track all this stuff down, try to verify it, fact check it, is that this house, actually, there's a key detail that has been misreported. It was actually an Airbnb. The problem being that the listing had been taken down. And so there was another dead end but a clue.
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The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Ich freue mich, dass du dich hier bringst, Izzy. Ich habe die Vergleiche zu Dwayne Wade gemacht, wo es so aussieht, als wäre es ein Typ, der Doppelteams splittet und den Hoop fährt, wie kein anderer in der NBA. Und seine Möglichkeit, zu verzweifeln. Letzte Nacht gab es einen Anruf gegen Rudy Gobert, wo Gobert gegen SGA gerufen wurde. Und alle haben ihre Gedanken verloren.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Aber das war, weil SGA in der Lage war, sich in die Linie zu bringen, sich genug zu langsamen, um Gobert für einen Moment zu zerstören. Dann steigt er sofort zurück und legt den Ball auf den Boden. Was macht Gobert? Er rechnet dort und SGA kann aufstehen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Und das ist das, was ich frustrierend finde, dass die Leute die Kunst von dem machen, was er macht, mit dem, was sie denken, dass eine Narrative sein soll. Ich habe das Spiel gestern Abend ohne Twitter gesehen und es war unglaublich, weil ich das Spiel durch die Perspektive gesehen habe, wie geht dieses Spiel und nicht darüber, worum die Narrativen online waren.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Und als ich es beendet habe, war ich so, das war ein ebenes, referiertes Spiel. Das ist ein Typ, der die Linie bekommt. Anthony Edwards hat auch die Linie bekommen. Und dann drehe ich mich um. Und dann gehe ich auf Twitter und plötzlich... Die ganze Geschichte, die ich auf Twitter sehe, sind nur Leute, die sagen, er ist ein Foul Merchant. Es ist so frustrierend.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Ich wünsche mir, dass Leute einen Moment nehmen würden, um diese Spiele zu schauen, ohne sich über das Gruppen-Think zu kümmern, das auf Social Media steht. Denn es macht den Sport so viel besser. Es erlaubt dir, die Art zu genießen, die du siehst.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Ja, dieses ganze Show hat mich erkannt, dass mein Erfolg, den ich hatte, ein verrücktes Wunder ist.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
I can make another comparison here with SGA that is sort of like... Er kriegt immer Anrufe, das ist wie ein guter Startspieler im Baseball, der die Runde verdient. Wenn du die Runde immer und immer und immer wieder hinkommst und immer wieder deinen Spot als Spieler schaffst, je weiter das Spiel weitergeht, desto mehr kannst du auf der Platte, auf dem Ball, anrufen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Und das ist, weil du gezeigt hast, dass du es kapabel bist. Wenn du SGA bist und du kapabel bist, legitime Anrufe zu machen, Yeah, there are gonna be the occasional moments where you get a foul called on you that, man, the blurred picture of me and Doug at the same time. I'm trying to power through, but this is becoming increasingly difficult.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Sie haben so viele gute Draftpicks, dass sie Josh Giddey handeln konnten, der ein wirklich guter und produktiver Spieler ist, für einen Rollplayer wie Alex Caruso, weil sie wussten, dass sie den Rest ihres Rostes ausfüllen können. Er passt sogar besser auf das Team. Er passt sogar besser. Das ist der Grund, warum sie das gemacht haben.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Aber das ist, was ich glaube, Teil der Grund, warum die Leute so frustriert sind mit Oklahoma City und SGA und dem ganzen Ding, ist, dass es nicht nur so fühlt, als ob sie nicht wirklich durch die Postseason leiden mussten. Sie mussten als Franchise leiden, weil sie sich Ich würde sagen, dass seine Takes viel schwieriger sind, wenn es keine Doug-Theme-Musik ist.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Und die Unterschiede hier sind, dass sie älter geworden sind. Britney Spears, sie war eine junge Mädchen. Sie war eine junge Mädchen. Ja, aber sie war eine junge Mädchen, als sie eine Celebrität gewonnen hat. Sie hat nie die Chance gehabt, eine Entscheidung zu treffen. Sie hat nie die Chance gehabt, eine Entscheidung zu treffen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Das sind zwei Leute, die die Entscheidung aktiv gemacht haben in ihren älteren Leben. Das ist, was wir bringen wollen. Wir wollen diesen öffentlichen Spotlight bringen. Und die Leute werden Fragen haben und in einen Rappenhaushalt gehen. Besonders, wenn du eine eine komplizierte Beziehung.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It's just impossible to disentangle your experience as a user trying to read things that are meant as just actual thoughts from the things that are meant to trigger. It's just really hard to think that I am getting a thought as opposed to someone's attempt to get money.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
i leap from the car and scare my wife and it's dumb because people here are armed you tried to get out of the that was an actual i did get i did get out of the car i did get out of the car yes no i got out of the car if you're out there if you're out there send it in send it in to our show we want the tape of this that's that is actually uh i'm glad i'm so glad valerie was there jesus man
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Why we fell in love with this terrible, addictive platform that we all hated initially also in the first place.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yeah, all of it just to say that when it comes to blue sky, I give about two months. Two months and then roll back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, it went okay.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Remy Martin Cognac, Fiend Champagne, 40% alcohol by volume, imported by Remy Contreau, USA, Incorporated, New York, New York, 1738, Centaur Design. Please drink responsibly. Dan, what you got?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Oh, glasses, glasses, glasses on.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
He's riffling through papers.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You were a charging wildebeest and you effectively intimidated them.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But I think this entire attempt to sort of isolate the variable is why this is an eternal unending argument, because Michael Jordan, by the way, pre-Internet, right? So it's sort of like, OK, are we disentangling the Internet from what it is to be in the media? which is really impossible to do at this point.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And so I do want to focus in on something that Rich said at the end, which is that JJ Redick, of course, now LeBron's coach, my guy, JJ Redick and LeBron's show, how this was a way forward. And if the argument is simply we have oversaturated media, television and Internet with controversy and that sort of more salacious debate stuff,
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And there's room for great things that are underappreciated, like the appreciation of basketball as a skill, as as sort of a nerd, an art that nerds can appreciate and dissect, then absolutely. Like, yeah, that is one way forward.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
The thing about the power that he is giving, though, to the media as a concept is also funny, not just because of the Internet and the way that, of course, that has made all of this sort of this this giant blob. It's because sports itself, if you talk to fans. is full of naturally occurring criticism.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And most people forever will always be saying, that guy sucks, that guy's good, and we're not gonna be able to move the needle on that, Mina.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
What you're saying is a fair point, right? Like, would you ever expect somebody who is doing PhD level work to hear the criticism of somebody who can barely understand it on an elementary level and not feel justified resentment? And I think this is where the unfortunate reminder, the unfortunate caveat to all this must be made, which is that this is the consequence of the biggest tent in America.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Like the whole point is that you actually want people with elementary level understandings of the sport that you have mastered to keep care and presume that they can do it because that is actually the business you have chosen. It is not the business of media. It is the business of the spectacle. And Mina, that's just part of it. And I just don't think we can ever solve that frustration.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It's actually part of why you get paid so much money.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
The irony of Kevin Durant's agent being like, we need to be less online. It's like, dude, just call him up. Just call Kevin yourself.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
The last topic today is a response, I think, in some big picture way to the first two topics, because there is a community online. And this is a thriving community I didn't know about until I read this story. It is a group on Facebook that has over a million members. And there is another group, an offshoot of that group, that has over a million members.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I want to get the name exactly right, because it is worth enshrining in this way. It is the Dull Men's Club. On Facebook. And so this is a bunch of people who have been, I think, chewed up and spit out. It felt like on on social media because there is a competitive arena where everybody's trying to be interesting.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Everybody's trying to post, as the article posits, the same photograph from Greece of, you know, the octopus dangling in the air. And you're all trying to be, you know. performatively fascinating. And the Dull Men's Club is like, hey, here's some photos of the lentils that I was making. Here is my most boring hobby. Here is the lawn I mowed.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And so I bring this to you guys because I think I am about to join the Dull Men's Club. I think I have qualifications. I'm curious what the dullest that you guys do. Might be. Dan, do you want to start?
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
What Mina is saying, which is a through line, I think that'll follow us through today's episode, is that she would like every driver in America to post their username on their window so she can get in their mentions and dunk on them.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That is a very political answer. The real answer that all of us have to give if we're being injected with truth serum is that we all think we're interesting. That's why we ask you to watch the shit we're doing right now. Like, let's be honest. Like, if we're boring, you're not watching that unless you're into performative boringness.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And the thing about this men's, this dull men's club is that it seems to be, and this is a word that was missing from the article, but seems to be, I think, a real key aspect to this is that it's authentically Dull. And Mina actually articulated it before in, I think, a specific way where she's not constantly posting about the things she does.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I know every day, multiple times a day to the point where I'm on a group chat with her and I'm like not engaging with her like screenshots of like... There was a point where Wordle was a thing and she was like on... Just like the ninth version of I'm just like, I don't care about any of this.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It was both. I think it's not an either or. This is a yes and. It was both.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's so AOL of you.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It is good. It's just the oldest show that's ever—
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
He has an arcade. He has a tabletop arcade Ms. Pac-Man machine.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's that's still it's still pretty interesting. I submit that my thing that I do all the time every day that I pretty much never post about, but sometimes occasionally will allude to. Is take care of my plants.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yeah, look at this. This is the show that I host privately. It's called Repotting with Pablo. Debut during the pandemic, although I owned many plants before the pandemic, just for the record here. I have over 35 plants. I counted this morning. These are all today, the various kinds. Look, I can raise a fiddle leaf...
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You know, I can I can absolutely make sure a pothos can stretch its vines over all sorts of shelves in my apartment. I can go on and on about this stuff.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's a money tree over there that's sort of like craning its neck towards the sunlight. I've got so many money trees in my house.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
plants watches i'm not trying to roast him but when he and like when i hear two men talking about watches i don't know if that fits into this category because nobody's that dull it's dull to me the thing about watches is that i don't i've never worn a watch um but i will find myself because i am a man like watching watch content and contemplate do i should i have a watch
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
My thing with you is that so much of our interactions on this show and yours are just us making fun of you. So the idea of there actually being a straw that breaks the hippos back, I'm like, what was it? And it turns out you don't even know.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
We're going to have to search for photographic evidence of this. Why?
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Why did you want this to be your aesthetic?
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
No, he looks like the penguin from Batman. Like, what is this?
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, this is what I was actually going to ask you guys. The dullest thing I do right now is apply to kindergarten. You guys want all the takes that I've never aired, but I got. Call me up sometime. I have so many opinions.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So we're not going upstairs.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yeah. At the end of every show, Mina, we say what we found out about on a show that is about finding stuff out. Dan has left, which is understandable because we've been talking about parenting for longer than I ever, ever intend to on a show that wants viewers. So what did you what did you what did you find out about today?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
No, I found out that everything that Dan is now is the product of a hard pendulum swing directly away from what he initially tried to be. Um, and also that, uh, that guy who Dan intimidated, um, on the road that Valerie saved him, uh, from going to jail over, um, is somebody I'd like to talk to. So, you know, you know, reach me. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I have a feeling that you may have been in the right. Just, uh, just a hunch. Just a hunch.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Arc Media production. And we are produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post, our theme song, as always, by John Bravo.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And we will talk to you next time.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
They are hungry, hungry for blood.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Meena, do you want to begin the actual show with the topic that you brought us that you wanted to share and tell about?
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So Dan, for me, I tend to just see what Mina's doing and I'm like, I guess it's time to join Blue Sky. When she joined, I was like, I guess the person who thinks most rigorously about social media has done this. I should probably just follow her. And so I did. And it is hard to shake the feeling that you're now watching a spring football league. He was like, I guess I'm on the XFL of Twitter now.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I'm on there, and I've been also curious, like, what am I on? And so just a couple of the background facts here, because I don't know if you know this. I didn't know this until I started Googling this. Mina referred to this sort of, like, odd ownership group. Blue Sky originally was started by Jack Dorsey, who was the guy behind Twitter at first.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
He wanted to be decentralized, and then, of course... He is no longer part of this team. He left in May 2024. And now it is a U.S. public benefit corporation. And it's it's the thing that like Patagonia is and Allbirds and Warby Parker, these corporations that apparently have some sort of legal protection under the guise of I guess it's now colloquially known as conscious capitalism.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
They have protection from being sued or I guess held to account by their own shareholders for not maximizing shareholder value.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I don't ever know what you may or may not ever try when it comes to new internet technology.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Dan has stories of great road rage that he has felt himself personally that have maybe humiliated him in front of loved ones.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
A lot of the critique of the exodus has been, this is Libs going to seek a safe space. And none other than noted reasonable man, Dean Phillips, who you may recall from his attempt to be president, was saying, like, we need to have conversations with the other side. The entire lesson of the election was we don't talk to each other enough. And this is the embodiment of the problem.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And meanwhile, my number one takeaway from Blue Sky is it is so refreshing to not have your algorithm dictated by Elon Musk. If nothing else, I just want to lead with that. It's just free from his personal thumb on the scale. Before we get into the political nature of it, that is just so glaring as well.
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You know, I do want to also just add on to that by saying part of what I use Twitter for is to get news. Right. And so I was following and still continue to follow a lot of conservatives because I'm actually curious what they have to say. Genuinely, just like I am curious from a from an earnest like, OK, what is the other side on some things I feel strongly about saying?
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PTFO - Share & Rage & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Also, like what's the conversation over there? It's the same reason I have group chats with my friends from high school where it's like, hey, these are how Republicans feel right now. I am actually going to click on that content. What I am most objecting to, though, is I think the structural incentive system that Twitter has become because now it is content farming. It's beyond the ideology.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Look, it's Smokey. It's Al, but really Harvey. It's Phyllis from Mulga. I mean, Paul, these are characters that I feel like I know. And of course, Phyllis, God rest her soul. Her call in 2017 about Jim Harbaugh is still seared into my brain.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
There's an aspect of your show, of course, that is both therapy, that is confessional booth, that is, frankly, Occupy Wall Street when it comes to just the populism taking control of what feels like a very top-down bureaucracy otherwise. And in this scenario, like the person, of course, who has most grabbed my attention all season this season is a guy who goes by a single name.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
All right, so Legend. Okay. You may recall Legend from like 15 minutes ago, actually, because Legend happens to be the caller whose analysis of a team coached by Nick Saban's replacement, Kalen DeBoer, after losing to 5-5 Oklahoma earlier this season, Bama's third loss of said season, was this.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So the first thing I wanted to find out about Legend was simple. Do you ever call Legend his real name, Paul? No, I believe his real name is Gary. And it is Gary Wilson, it turns out, who has otherwise been working all sorts of jobs in Birmingham, Alabama. And so I decided that I should probably call up Gary myself. Hey, bro, can you hear me? I can hear you. I can see you.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Are you always wearing the glasses when you do this, when you make calls, when you talk, or is this just for me?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, when did you realize, how long did it take you to realize that Legend was going to be one of these special callers, maybe even special in a way that no one could quite replicate?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
When did sports radio become a thing that you knew you would enjoy?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But there is something else that I needed to clarify about legend, Gary, that is critical to understanding the broader Feinbaum community of colors and also how it is mathematically even possible that college football is the second most popular sport in the United States, right behind the NFL, and easily the most unhinged, which is that legend never actually attended the University of Alabama.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
All of which qualifies Legend, according to his own personal estimation, for a very special form of office, a leadership position in a truly startlingly enormous community. And it's the kind of office that, by definition, you cannot pay for.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
It's an unbelievable asset to hear from a guy like Legend what he did after Tennessee, after Alabama loses to Tennessee.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
The ivory tower still has a nice padded cushion in my seat, yeah.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
It will be that. No, you will be forever the guy who brought me the caller who said that losing to Oklahoma was like going to bed with Beyonce and waking up next to Whoopi Goldberg.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
The larger family of networks.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
I concur. In terms of just the callers and their own views of themselves, you know, I was talking to Legend, and Legend wanted to be very clear about this. He said, I am not Harvey Updike. Harvey Updike is a criminal. That's not me.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And of course, in my mind, I immediately went to, of course, Legend's own past.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
On paper, it is grisly, right? I mean, what we're talking about with Legend is a story of him when he's 17 years old. It's Winston County. It's northwest Alabama. The argument with his cousin over a girl, I believe he also mentioned.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And he goes to his father's gun cabinet. His dad's out. His dad apparently working in the coal mine. It's a .22 rifle. And he takes his cousin out to the woods. And he shoots Randy Barton, also 17, twice in the back of the head.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So if you're already wondering here why the most popular and influential sports radio show in the entirety of the South, beloved by those voices we just played for you, happens to be a program called The Paul Feinbaum Show, I get the question. Paul is a bald 69-year-old Jewish guy who is not from Alabama, although he has lived in Alabama now for 45 years.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
100%.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, you say you don't know the story of actually how Legend got the name Legend.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And that's how it happened. That's legendary. He had mentioned, I don't know if you remember this, but there was a moment, I guess, about a year and a half ago. I believe it was a school shooting of some kind.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And he said that this was the thing that made him want to go and actually take his act, so to speak, out on the road to these prisons.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And those same voices you heard have taken to comparing Paul's general look to Mr. Burns from The Simpsons, for instance, among other things. But the Paul Feinbaum Show, to be very clear, is a singular cultural institution
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
It does feel like Paul is giving out a kind of medication.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Legend now, okay, his mission now, right? He has a couple of missions, crusades for the good in life. He also wants to fire Kalen DeBoer.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, I don't know if you could even begin to disagree with my assessment here. That stuff is what makes the job itself at times so hard. Isn't it? The idea that this is a hot seat and the fire underneath, you can tune in and listen to it every time you put on the Feinbaum Show.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And this particular holiday season, Tuscaloosa's first without Nick Saban, arguably the greatest college football coach who ever lived, there is no radio show that I would rather hear.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But the influence is obvious to everybody, I think, who spends a couple minutes listening to the people that listen to you. And when I listen to Legend talk about what this particular holiday season is going to be like, Paul, I mean, let's just say it bluntly. This is a weird Christmas season.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yes, against a 7-5 Michigan team.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, Legend, for the record here, offered me his ticket to the Relia Quest Bowl.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
I hesitate to leave the ivory tower for the Reliaquest Bowl. Don't do it. You don't want to be seen there. No, no, God no. And so the question becomes, ahead of Christmas now, what do you want for Christmas, Paul Feinbaum? What do you hope for your audience?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
The leaves are rustling, Paul.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, it's such a beautiful sentiment. And it may not surprise you to learn that when I asked Legend this same question, he said this.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So, Paul Feinbaum, thank you for introducing me to your community, and happy holidays.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And so all we're left with now is a mental image, I suppose, of a young Paul Feinbaum a pie. and you're welcome for that. But what I did want to find out today is how Paul got into this mess, so to speak, in the first place.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Among all of the rabid cultures across the South and the Midwest, why is Alabama the place where this show is like this?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, and now I come to you in the post-Nick Saban era at a time when I think I am more interested in you and your audience than I've ever been. It's been a hell of a season for your show in all of these senses.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
This is surreal, though. The setup we have right now, I do feel like a caller on your show, which is... Well, you're a FaceTime caller. Yeah, I'm a first-time long-time. That is also true. I was thinking about how to explain you and your show to people in my life who don't already know the legend of your show, so to speak.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
When I tell you, though, that I first became aware of your show in earnest in about 2010, I imagine you can guess why. The saga of Al from Dadeville, Paul, I struggle to begin to summarize the Shakespearean and then criminal drama that was that story. How do you tell it for people not familiar with the lore?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And I realize that it's hard because I have to explain that I spend time with Paul Feinbaum early in the morning on MSNBC quite a bit.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, sentenced to three years in prison, pleaded guilty to criminal damage of an agricultural facility. And it would be one thing if it was the story of your show, if that was like the one thing people talked about. I think it was the next year when a gentleman named Smokey calls you and he has a predicament.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But, okay, hold on. What I'm finding out immediately is that Smokey still today is... All right.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Yeah, we lead the league in that, in snooty elitist approval, definitely.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
That's right. I'm an MSNBC analyst. It is a fun ivory tower where I get to be a jock. That's what I am over there. You're the popular.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm the sports guy who gets to be chill and hanging out with the fellas. That's what I do over there. Unlike here where I'm not respected really in any way. I'm reduced to a kind of like inset picture in picture thing where I just laugh at people do bits.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm a palate cleanser. I'm a palate cleanser, a representative of the thing that Americans actually care about in a place where people are genuinely worried and fretting about politics, about whatever is happening in D.C. right now, which, again, I think would be an awesome debate topic for Shannon Sharp to tackle. What do we do about the debt ceiling? He had to go.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Very good. I think that my role there is I love, look, I love talking about sports to people who don't actually know anything about sports. It's kind of the inverse of the exercise you just did. What if you knew something about sports and the audience did it? It's fantastic.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Don't wear glasses, actually. I'm a guy who doesn't wear glasses anymore. I wear contacts now. The library can be fun. Libraries can be fun. There are books in them. Put it on the poll, Juju.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
That's right. What we need more is just overconfident declarations of things as opposed to, you know, an open-minded curiosity. Sure, let's go that way instead of the way that I'm at. Open-minded?
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm actually here to say thank you, Dan. It's been a really long but incredible year for us in New York. We are a satellite upon the moon, upon the sun. Let's upgrade it to the largest celestial body that is you guys in Miami. And what I come here to say is, yes, we have a great episode today with Dan and Mina.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Yes, we had a great episode yesterday with Paul Feinbaum and the secret history of his collars and their criminal histories, which are both hilarious and profound. His collar? His collars. Oh, multiple different shirts. Got it. And they are not normal collars. Do not find a new slant. What I'm here to say is that it's a show that we really couldn't launch without Dan.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
And so when Dan talks about how much it costs, I reckon with that because... The whole thing is that we make a show with ambition that is powered by people who otherwise are not getting paid. Like we are paying journalists to go report stories for us. We're trying to go to death row as well as trying to buy a sculpture of myself made of butter. We're trying to do serious stuff and silly stuff.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
And I just want to say thank you legitimately because the premise of this company was we would get to make something from scratch that lived up to some amount of hype. And I am very proud that on some level we have done that. And it's really hard. And so thank you to Dan and to everybody in Miami for enabling the nonsense that I know you guys like to make fun of. But deep down.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I think you might like, just like a library, you know, has some fun stuff in it too.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Okay, hold on. By the way, just as an FYI, what I found out is that Dan should never be in a finance meeting. I shouldn't. Dan comes out of that thing, and he's like, I got takes. I'm like, oh, God.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Mike, can we get Dan out of the meetings? Why is he in the meetings? I thought the whole thing was he shouldn't be in the meetings. And now he's in the meetings at the end of the year.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
This is a dangerous game that we're playing. Amin also is somebody who... famously, can talk to you about his own dreams for hours, and no one's sure if he made those up. So he seems very squarely in his wheelhouse.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
And I believe— Didn't Andrew Hawkins invent, like, a virtual reality system? I just saw that on the internet the other day. I was like, wait a minute. Is that Andrew Hawkins?
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Nah, Amin's playing hurt. I'm going to go with Andrew. Hawks confidence is too high right now. Amin Elhassan is absolutely going to destroy Andrew Hawkins at this.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
If you asked me which guy is the former football player dealing with a lifetime of football injuries, I'd be like, it's the guy with the fat lip who is cognitively impaired, but also very sharp right now.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I am going to argue that Amin Alhassan is currently the best version of himself as a debater I've ever heard. Amin, you can hear him, you can hear the Queens, you can hear the Stephen A in his voice as his cognitive impairment also is clearly upon him. I also would argue that Amin should probably try, you know, Hawk knows this, Toradol is a thing football players get before a big game.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Amin should actually hurt himself before debating. This is currently working for him.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
It's the opposite of Toradol. You have whatever that is.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Can we do the debt ceiling? Can we do the debt ceiling as the topic?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
This is wildly entertaining. Where do we end here? Because this has been a roller coaster.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I can't believe how human this is, Mina. You're sitting here savaging yourself about how idiotic this is. And who doesn't understand, even though you're crushing it, a lack of confidence in yourself, even after all of these easy questions, because you really...
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yeah, well, I'm talking... What I'm talking about is the pressure of the moment making you make smaller bets when the biggest bets would have been on yourself. And it's just so interesting to not have the confidence in that moment because, see, I...
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I think I would be afraid to do all of this in front of people, vulnerably allowing them to examine whether or not you're quote unquote smart enough or fast enough by testing your intelligence on television. I don't think I'd want to do that. It doesn't seem like it would be, it seems like it would be pressurized even for charity.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So to get in that situation, be plagued by it, however nervous you were before it, if you were indeed nervous, get to the moment, be crushing it, and then not have confidence when you have a moment to slow down and think.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Pablo, but when you tell me this is the part that I'm finding, go ahead and tell me all the times that Mina has been caught on national television where her credibility might be on the line or her intelligence, and there's a lack of preparation.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That is choking though, right, Mina? So wait, let's, hold on. So let's examine this for a second. I don't want this to be with.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yes, well, because I don't want this to be withering criticism, but it seems to me that this would be textbook definition choking. Yes, coach?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's just not being as good at it. The reason I say it is choking is because combination of panic and lack of strategy that in a moment makes you go, ah! Because all of a sudden, you're scared.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Coach, you lost.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Coach, why wasn't your team prepared? Coach, that's your job too.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Your team was unprepared. Hold on, hold on.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It's just crazy to me. I can't, like, Pablo knew. Look, I will tell- I don't know, Dan.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I'm sorry.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Why was Mina shaking her head at All In? What happened there? A kind of odious podcast?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And I don't know whether she's mad at you or me or herself. I don't even know what those rankings would be.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
As far as celebrity goes on Jeopardy, the celebrities are not a high end of celebrities. Mina might be the most famous one here. How dare you? Hold on a second. Guardians of the Galaxy is a wonderful franchise. Great writing, great acting, not a lot of famous... people coming out of the Guardians of the Galaxy universe from behind the scenes, from small characters.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Pablo, Pablo, this is why your Family Feud moment is, I mean, it's a game show moment from the dreams to have reached through that time period on Family Feud and not panicked and gave those answers. Like, you had the opposite of... The most obvious answers in the world. Okay, but wait a minute.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But under time pressure, though, look, you can choke, and then you start remembering you're choking, you're thinking you're choking, and now you're nine seconds in, and you haven't answered shit.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Oh, no.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It's a little bit complicated. It's convoluted, but I will tell you that all of that explanation That was riveting television. The fact that after all of that happens... No, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. Look, this is magic. What happened here is magic. Is this reporter Dan or friend Dan? Who are we hearing from right now?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
This is entertained wildly by watching you... suffer, but say, yeah, I'm embarrassed, but my process was good. But also, I think you referred to that dude. I don't know what his name is. Do you know what his name is? David Friedberg. That dude had one of the... most stunning comebacks I've ever seen in sports because I did not see him coming at all in this.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I was never thinking about him, and only because you did what happened at the end there, he has the moment of a lifetime. That guy has the opposite of your story because he had no business winning that.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So now we're just, now let's say what this is. This is the bottom feeder at the last rung of cheap television where we go get people who call them celebrities and mean as a celebrity. But I don't know if those other two people are.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Those are the moments that make great game shows. And Katie's. How have the three of you ended up?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
The three of you have had amazing game show experiences. Like, I imagine a lot of people go on game shows and just finish in second place. Or fourth place, or whatever. Or get to the Price is Right stage and never get on it.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Pablo, do you marvel at the fact that a head coach doesn't leave losing with, well, I got the process right. Like a head coach leaves the losing with, oh my God, like I'm just crushed.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Oh, my God. That's textbook definition for learning, but can we also just go back there for a second and just check out Mina's body language? I know. Because you ended up knowing on Nero and then... Scary money don't make money.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, but can I examine this for just a moment? Because, Mina, I'm going to say that right before that, when you're saying, at least I didn't get the math wrong, and you're leaning on the console, whatever is pulsating inside of you right there is a combination of fear and bravado and relief.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Because if I could look at it again, just tell me, the pose of you trying to lean in before you black out and go scared money, don't make money,
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Scared. Just scared. Just scared. Actually adorable. Just scared. I would say, though, that you— Sweet, sweet Cuban Jonah Hill.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Mina not being scared of all that and only getting, you know, the result of learning and process is a reason to do it because I'm stunned that you're not even more mortified, just haven't recovered from it, don't want to be anywhere around it, don't want to do this with us.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You guys do realize that we could actually just for charity say, what's the most you'd pay to see one of us most embarrassed on national television? Like if we were selling that, Mina, and I told you before it started, it's going to be embarrassing to you, but you will raise how much money for it? What's the price got to be for that embarrassment?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
How would we talk you in from that one? If you missed a football question and said, but you raised this much for charity, Mina, and you'd be like, okay, that's okay.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
She wants a second chance. She wants a rematch.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I'll do better. Come on, Celebrity Jeopardy. She's a great champion and your biggest celebrity. And that dude, I don't know. I can't remember his name. The dude who had the miraculous comeback. Do you remember his name? Because I feel like Mina overlooked him, too. He snuck past her because she wasn't prepared.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I don't, Pablo, I don't believe there's any subject matter of any kind that I can put in front of Mina that she's more tired of than talking about Aaron Rodgers. There's nothing that she's just, she will not bite on it ever saying anything other than, I don't care, I'm tired of it.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Okay, I have so much here. Where can I start? I'd like to know, first of all, how much soul-ravaging you do with unforgiveness when you're being competitive and you're losing. Like, how mean are you to yourself?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I'm assuming, Pablo, I'm assuming, I don't know, but based on your team of reporters and how you like to make fun of me, I'm assuming that I'm about to make an admission here that I've never made before, a secret that I've kept for 30 years, because you have in your video compartment my only game show appearance ever where I can admit now, only all of these years later—
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
that I do not have the benefit of actually the credibility that Mina does, where I actually believe her buzzer was not quick enough and she knew the answers to all those questions. The thing I'm about to admit- We all did.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, on Boardwalkin' Baseball with Chris Berman, when I got a single answer right and we got our ass kicked by Oklahoma, the answer was Ford and I only got it right and my brother made fun of me until his deathbed because there was 10 seconds of silence and I finally got to be faster than other people. It's also the only thing I knew.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I was pretending that the buzzer wasn't working because I was consistently coming in late after people had an answer I did not have because I was so insecure about the fact that I wasn't getting anything right.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's right. I'm sorry to admit it.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Dan has a particular, like, tented hand. But it wasn't the buzzer. I was pretending. I was getting my ass kicked, and I was faking it. I was faking a hamstring injury.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It changes so much. Just choking. Not even choking. Choking would be if I knew the answers. The questions were too hard. Mina goes on Celebrity Jeopardy. Everybody knows the answers. That's disappointing.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, no, but you know what? I want to look at her face again after that because I did think she found it funny how easy that question was, but you seemed happier with the other questions and the answers that you were getting right.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Good to play that game with great, great fear. Yes. Mina Kimes, that's right. Mina Kimes, who has done now 70 mock drafts and wants to get every one of the picks right because she's competitive. Who can... is afraid that the internet is going to mock her because a Jeopardy question she gets wrong about the Titans.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's scandalous. He can't be biased. That's unbelievable.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You guys didn't tell me anything. I'm walking into a bit of a trap here. I have watched you guys with great joy bravely go on celebrity game shows and throw your celebrity into the air to have fun and test your wits against people famously. But Celebrity Jeopardy is a little easier than the other Jeopardys. Are we doing just narcissism on examining how did we do Let's Talk About Ourselves?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Because she was the only celebrity on that show who's not Ken Jennings.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Let's cover the math of this, though, because can we look at it again? Did you instantaneously realize that you were a coward? Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So wait, so hold on, hold on. Let me go back a second.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So you're not scared of it in any way. No, you want the Daily Double. But why did you get scared when you got the Daily Double?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But what happened? I'm asking you, take me through the thinking process of, so you're leading and you're afraid that you're going to make a bet that does such bad math that you're so nervous.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So you're lacking faith in yourself. The reason you become a coward is because despite the fact that you're crushing this, you know the answers, they're easy questions. At the moment of truth, you're saying, I will not bet this much money on the belief that I can do math correctly right now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But why wouldn't you bet on yourself?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
We love doing the game shows.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is very different.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We are redefining the spectrum of femininity, I dare say.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm going to briefly huff the Ziploc bag as you would with... Yeah. I got to be careful. I got an addictive personality, guys.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is your great aunt? A very older woman. The person who wears this fragrance has a padded toilet seat. And a small dog. I hate that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
No, it's the worst. It's like shitting into a pillow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Not here to yuck your yum.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I am getting the sense, though, why people are into galaxy gas, though, which I have discovered is a thing among kids, and possibly adults. I've heard. It's good. Allegedly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Remember when we visited, we can bleep this institution out.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Shell casings.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie and I went to a party because someone else brought us to this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mina. At f***.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And the floor was like a shooting range where they were just like... Hell yeah. Gatling gunning whippets.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If someone is wearing this, I am not into that person. All right, let's see what it is. Katie Nolan.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
How many are there? There are two different types of Britney Spears fragrances. Curious and Curious Love.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love that Katie wore a version of this perfume.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Curious Woman, and this is capital C, The Curious Woman is romantic, check, independent, check, mischievous, check.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's fruity in the back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Romantic, independent, and mischievous. Okay. One who's not afraid of risk.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Launched in 2004. Became an instant hit with the public. The composition is based on the notes of white flowers, surrounded with vanilla and musk nuances. It opens with fresh lotus, mouth-watering pear and magnolia, the intensive floral heart.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The intensive floral heart.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is composed of tuberose? Tuberose? Jasmine and pink cyclamen. Cyclamen?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, my God.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's what the wise men brought in Britney Spears.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The sensual base is composed of musk, vanilla, and precious woods. Sensual base? Precious woods. Yeah, that's a lot, Brit. It is the kind of scent that makes your parents want to control your finances. Oh, I was going to say get divorced. Katie, Lauren said $15.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie's hot now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Britney Spears, Curious, $16.74. Wow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This man knows what real America wants to smell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I know they want lotus flower for 16 bones. Precious wood.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is so bad.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This fragrance owns multiple board apes. Says diamond hands unironically.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, you hate to see this fragrance at a college reunion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I want to say European, but that might be too derogatory.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I cannot wait to find out what this is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cristiano Ronaldo popping out of this paper bag could not have been more perfect.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Origins. Holy. Please describe what the packaging of this is like.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That is fragrance imitating f***ing life. This is a new fragrance. CR7 Origins was launched in 2022. Top notes are bay leaf, mandarin orange.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Middle notes are clary sage, lavender, and geranium. Base notes are patchouli and- Ass. Dog .
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number five.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is the bottom of your grinder if you smoked spices. Oh, it's... It's settling in. At a certain point, the spiciness begins to wear a suit. I'm kind of f***ing with it now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this back. There's a lot going on.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We've been on a run of three straight ass fragrances. This is growing on me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is the third episode in a trilogy that I want to catch Lawrence up on. Please do. Katie and I have tested athlete alcohol, and we declared, what sucked in your memory?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. This feels like a chance that you're taking. You're going out and you're like, I'm going to try to be this guy. And I'm kind of intrigued by what this guy's life is like.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is Cristiano Ronaldo's friend who, in comparison, is the guy you want to spend your night out with. This is Cristiano Ronaldo with his shirt buttoned up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But even the box, a classy box.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Notes. We're back to the vetiver. Bergamot or Bergamo?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which is like a yellow fruit. An orange, some are saying. A mandarin orange is another one. Star anise. Pimento.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Patchouli, cardamom, white amber.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The scene in the David Beckham doc, which I did not watch all of, but just have seen that scene.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, exactly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Be honest.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Right after this ad.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Did you have the LeBron Henny?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So on that note, what do you think this runs? Yeah, this is expensive.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, I'm thinking $75. Guys.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Lobos, right?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is $19.20. Come on. Go buy it. The best $19 you've ever spent.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We were eventually very drunk.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number six. Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
All right, this needs to breathe. It's wet. This is very wet.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It was basically as much athlete alcohol as we could get.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
My reaction to smelling this is like a meerkat popping out of a burrow, and I'm deciding whether to pop back down, and I think I'm back in the burrow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
CJ McCollum's wine was pretty good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This smells like the fall.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If it's for a man, I'll be surprised.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a big package.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a miss.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Incomplete. Base notes. Sandalwood. Musk. Vanilla. Honey. Tonka bean.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What's that? Tonka trucks also make beans. Much like Stetson also wears... Tonka Bell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's right. What do you think it costs? $12.99. $55. $30.47. This is the most expensive cologne so far.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Correct. We've done a lot of patriarchal scouting of these fragrances.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Fruity in the back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. I like this. I like this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Relatedly, Katie Nolan hasn't dumped any of the wine that she's been tasting.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is a winner.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But also feminine enough to satisfy, again, my most... aspirational alpha desires.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Look at me! No!
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is like the drink you order at dinner and your friends are like beginning to make fun of you and then you're like, try it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And you're like, just take a sip. Bet you regret making fun of me now. Soft. Let's see what number seven is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yep, yep, yep, yep. That was part one.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That tracks from the block. Katie and I have made fun of J-Lo in the past. I apologize.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is what a celebrity smells like. Yeah. It's called Still. That's good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Part two was athlete weed.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$17.99.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This next fragrance needs to earn it. They can't coast on it. So many have. They cannot coast on the legacy of Jennifer Lopez. Huh. Huh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is nice.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like a luxury hotel lobby.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. There is restraint. I credit this for its restraint.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Read it more closely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So it is to Lawrence's taste and appreciation for the finer things in life. This is impossible to find now. It's all sold out. Can't get it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Will Levis, number eight. Parfum de mayonnaise. Open to the bright burst of tart lemon that provides a refreshing and clean introduction. At the heart of the fragrance lies a creamy, daring mayonnaise accord.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Creamy, daring mayonnaise accord. Like it's fucking Yalta. The Geneva ones. Yep. offering a smooth and complex heart. We're describing Lawrence so far, by the way. I am creamy delightful. And a complex heart.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Parsley adds a fresh herbal element reminiscent of a well-prepared dish. And of course, this fragrance would not be complete without subtle coffee undertones reminiscent of Will's signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Sorry?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
He has a signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage. What? This is a thing, right? He puts mayonnaise in his coffee.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A sensual musk base weaves through the composition, evoking physicality and charisma. Finally, we finish off with a comforting creamy vanilla finish that is equal parts inviting and intriguing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I hesitate to say that Katie comes out looking great from this particular test. But it shouldn't be that good for what it is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. I mean, it is creamy and airy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number nine.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's almost evasive to me. In a world in which people are screaming, I'm not even sure what gender this is, honestly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A riddle.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is it possible to be drunk off of smelling fragrances? Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Dare I say that it almost feels like it's like an algorithmic.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a centrist. Admittedly, I'm a little gun-shy also because I was just praising the mayo fragrance.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We can only find a sample of this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Gary Payton.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Autographed baseball. It's a sample of Derek Jeter. Driven.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love, I grew up adoring this man. Because he got ass.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Smoking that glove pack, dude. Mm-hmm. And Dan cannot smell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You might do a hate crime. Still a Hall of Famer, to be clear. Unambiguous.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thank you for clarifying.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, Jeets.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number 10.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is David LaChapelle. Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If you are wearing this and you are not a 14-year-old, you should be arrested.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Physically cannot smell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Chris Hansen should walk in the door now that we've broken this out of the Ziploc.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mean girl. This fragrance is the reason why Katie got Invisalign.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just nailed it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thunderstruck Taylor's version.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just zero effort. It's a travel size. Yeah. It's a travel size. Travel size. You know, you want to smell like Taylor Swift. You can travel with someone.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Do you think that Taylor Swift smells like this? Hell no. Wonderstruck is the first fragrance from the young American pop country singer Taylor Swift launched in cooperation with the cosmetic company Elizabeth Arden. Wonderstruck is named after the lyrics from the song Enchanted. Quote, I'm Wonderstruck, comma, blushing all the way home.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which tell about the feeling and the impression you get when you first meet someone you like. Taylor hopes that her fragrance will be an essential part of many impressions in first meetings. What do you think Wonderstruck and Taylor Swift costs?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$59.99. What the f***?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Useless. And so I was like, who in the world can fill... This third share. And I said, okay, who hosts a show that I love?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
F***.
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The last fragrance.
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Is number 11. Jesus Christ.
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Wow. This is potent. This is the most potent. I feel like this is... Strong as hell.
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I have not smelled this since Origin.
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Man, I'm afraid of this.
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A VFW hall. This one has seen some things and done some things.
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Yeah, it really does come on strong.
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I feel that. I feel that actually.
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Check. Who was able to convince me using the word master perfumer?
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This is... Alluring. This is the work of an old man. Is it snake oil? Is it penicillin? Who cares?
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Our last fragrance is. Drum roll.
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We got got. We're going to cut that.
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We got got. Snake oil salesman. No! I think we nailed that. This is Fight, Fight, Fight. Donald Trump.
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This is that new... This is that new new. It is an all-black, heavy-ass bottle. Fight, Fight, Fight is a bold fragrance from Trump Fragrances, designed for men who embody strength and resilience. This limited-edition cologne is crafted to leave a lasting impression with its rich and robust notes.
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That he has some knowledge of cologne. Perfumier? I don't even know something like that. You did say that in the kitchen.
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The fragrances commemorate President Trump's moment of personal courage and the strong message he sent to Americans after being shot at in Butler, Pennsylvania. Instead of the potential horrific moment of Trump's assassination, every camera on the mainstream media captured the most iconic photograph and video of his political career.
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Let's f***ing go. We paid. I don't actually. The most embarrassing thing might be that we spent $216.67. You gave Trump your hard money? The retail is $199 a bottle. We gave, I presume, to be the alleged shell company. Sure, sure, sure.
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Mathematically speaking, Taylor Swift's cologne, fragrance, perfume, would cost, at this rate, $400. Jesus f***ing Christ. Shout out to T-Swiss. I hope that the rest of the year works out in a way in which we're all like, you know what, that wasn't as bad as I thought.
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I don't know. He was referencing a guy. What was the guy's name?
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Yeah, belated. Happy belated January 6th. At the end of every episode of How La Torre Finds Out, a show where we find stuff out, We say what we found out today.
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His name is Rodrigo. I don't know his last name.
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He met a perfumier named Rodrigo. And I was like, that's plenty.
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Yeah, you get both. Yeah. You get both. Cool. You get both. What was your favorite?
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So I think if I may collectively summarize our thoughts.
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The big winner, I think, is David Beckham. At the price point, too. At that price point. That's crazy. 1925, the best deal, the best man, dare I say. On the medal stand, though, we concur that J-Lo is there. Yeah. If we're being honest with ourselves—
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That's the nose nose right there.
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The scientists behind the glass are telling me that it was pretty clear that we all agreed that the Trump one was pretty good.
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I believe you also said, quote in a text, I know what I like and have gotten a lot of expensive shit for free. Yes.
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What I found out today is that I should never trust the producers of this show ever again.
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The nose knows.
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Katie, what do you know about cologne?
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Yeah.
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Cologne for girls.
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Just farting with impunity.
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So we have in this corner of the room, 11 different athletes slash celebrity colognes slash perfumes. They've created a whole system. We're going to blind smell this.
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Can we not call it... Fragrances is what I'm being told in my ear by Rob, who collected all of this stuff. Not to denigrate the genre.
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You will see. We have testers pre-sprayed. Great. Each individually bagged. And we have reveals in which we will find out what it was.
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Some notes, literal and figurative. Sometimes the notes of plastic will get into the... Yeah, I wonder if this is how, like, this is not an official method.
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Okay, I'm being told to defend the method. There's a whole method. Sorry, boys. Long before the athlete weed strain and celebrity tequila brands, famous people were selling vanity fragrances. And so I figured with about a month before Valentine's Day that we might do everybody out there a service.
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So if you're listening to this instead of watching it on YouTube, what you should know about our method here is that Katie Nolan, Lauren Schlossman, and I are going into this whole exercise completely blind.
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That means we're going to start by taking these pre-sprayed paper strips of the vanity fragrance in question out of a Ziploc bag, at which point we will give our unbiased review of it using only our sense of smell. And we're not going to find out which celebrity it even is until the end of that segment when we open a sealed paper bag to reveal the bottle our producers bought for us inside.
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But if you are, in fact, watching this on YouTube or the DraftKings Network, Our producers are also going to try something a little bit different for you because they are going to show you the celebrity behind each fragrance early and completely silently just on screen while we're doing our smell test. So you can know and see how powerful or not our noses are before we do.
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This is apparently the experience our producers had while watching us tape this episode. And this episode, by the way, will keep escalating as we get deeper and deeper into this list of 11 mystery fragrances about which we know absolutely nothing. And that is for better and also, spoiler alert, for worse. We begin with fragrance number one.
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Meaning it perks you up almost? No, just fresh, bright.
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It smells like a bunch of dads rolling around in a field.
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It smells like suppressed emotional accessibility.
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Does it smell expensive to you?
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Nice. It's nice. I came in expecting, like, I'm going to all over this, and then I'm like, ah, this feels kind of like the man that I once imagined I would be one day. Is it time to reveal?
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Lock them up.
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Yeah, put them in the bag so that we can isolate the scents.
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Oh, let's get some ASMR there, Pablo.
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This is, and I don't know the answer to this either until right now, Michael Jordan's cologne. Did not do me.
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I mean.
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That's right.
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Hold on.
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I have to examine. Look at this packaging here. Look at this. Yeah, exactly. Hold that. Describe it for the audience, please.
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It has a flask aspect.
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Rumors of insane gambling debt. Michael Jordan by Michael Jordan is an aromatic fragrance for men. So we nailed that. The nose behind this fragrance is Steve de Mercado. That I believe is a term of art for the- The nose. Perfumier. For the perfumier. Top notes are cypress, grapefruit, lemon, cognac, geranium, cedar needles, Brazilian rosewood.
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Middle notes, fir, juniper berries.
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No, I literally, my mind went, I was like, all right. Like a bear. Pelt. Incense, green tea, clary, sage, and cloves. Base notes are sandalwood, musk, and patchouli.
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But I will describe that for you now.
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Because a top note, according to the increasingly terrible AI overview on Google.com.
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I'm so lazy. I love that AI overview. It's so much worse, Lawrence.
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It's so much worse.
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Top notes. The first sense you smell when you apply a fragrance, also known as head notes or opening notes. They're the most volatile of the three fragrance notes and are made up of small, light molecules that evaporate quickly. Top notes, usually composed of citrus and fruity ingredients, but can also include fresh herbs. Some light top.
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It's $21.36. Wow, what a deal.
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Does the silhouette of his bald head, unmistakably his bald head, embossed in also like some red foil, does that do anything for you? That's cheap. That's like you buy this at a grocery store.
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This is a Kroger's cologne.
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That's not true. Lawrence is underselling his credentials.
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Now, I'm told that between these scents, we should be... Smelling coffee? palate cleansing by sniffing some coffee or your elbow.
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I'm being told to remind you guys that we have no idea if this actually works. They also advise you to smell yourself.
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They say smell your own elbow. Number two.
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Is this sprayed one second ago? These are sprayed two hours ago, for the record. It's very sweet. By our lab full of scientists. Aquatic.
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Are you familiar with men or lifestyle?
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Yeah, this is like a magazine where the pages are stuck together for different reasons.
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You said sweet.
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There aren't a lot of base notes to this, is what I would say. This is like the antithesis of patchouli. This is not a barbershop.
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Like, sophomore semi-formal. Like, this is the scent that sticks in my mind years later when I'm trying to remember in my personal memory bank. Sense memory. That's right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So let's find out. All right, this should be interesting. We're judging a cologne by its cover. Whoa. Ooh. Ooh.
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For boys? There are no words on this. Can you describe this, Katie?
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That is green.
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It looks delicious. This is for boys. A product known as Avon Untouchable by Chris Paul. Wow. I do regret my previous description. How much do you think this costs?
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$12.
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Lawrence's podcast, Growing Fits, is one of my favorite non-sports podcasts.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I wanted to talk about this Elon story. The video game story?
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So there are many ways to talk about Elon right now, and many of them are valid, and all of them have to do largely with him now running the federal government and cutting budget to, like, people who need medicine for AIDS.
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I believe that that is a valid method of talking about Elon Musk. But a more, I think, directly informative and illuminating one has to do with the story about video games.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's right.
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Yeah, he claimed to be one of the top 20 Diablo players in the world. The forest mage. And he had just become, as of November 2024, the number one player in the world according to these leaderboards with millions of people on them. He then proceeded to brag about how he then became a top-ranked player in a different game, a game known as PoE.
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which stands for Path of Exile, Path of Exile 2 in this case. And this got the attention of some hardcore PoE players who were like, what's going on here? How is the world's richest man who is also running the federal government and is involved in electric cars and rockets and space and hyper-fast internet connectivity.
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How does he have the time that is actually required to get highly ranked in these games? So what happens is Elon goes live. He streams himself playing POE 2. And these people, these streamers who are actual like hardcore experts and players are watching.
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And they see that. And they're like, something isn't adding up. Elon does not seem to know what he's doing.
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Do we think a person, there's a person who invented the mirror? As opposed to? A discovery?
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The best part is that he's bragging about all of this. He's bragging about how he had this post on X in which he said, quote, so many life lessons to be learned from speed running video games on max difficulty teaches you to see the matrix rather than simply exist in the matrix. End quote. Yo, I think this guy sucks.
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So all of these people begin picking up on Reddit. They start compiling this dossier, and they're like, okay, he doesn't know how to use a mana flask, which is very embarrassing, obviously.
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He's picking items up by dragging them into his inventory manually. He is struggling to understand why he cannot pick up an item when his inventory is full. And he has, maybe indictingly, on his account, he has a tab for his maps called Elon's Map. which is a weird thing to call it when you have all of the maps. Why wouldn't it just be maps?
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And so what it turns out to be is, of course, a giant series of lies in which he has hired people to play the game for him. And he just lied about all of it.
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Of a thing that had already existed.
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Great question, Michael. So what happens is, Zach Hoyt, a popular gaming streamer known as Asmongold, he said that this is, I mean, part of the crime here is that if you're really into video games, this is horrifically... The whole point is that you're actually, like, there spending time in the trenches playing these games. He's the one who said that Musk was insecure and lying about this.
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It's a truly sad day for gamers. And Elon Musk said in a since-deleted post that, quote, he had been on hundreds of streams playing live with the world's best players, and that it was Zach Hoyt, in fact, who was not good at video games. He's good at... My critic is bad.
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And then he took Zach Hoyt's blue check away, naturally.
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But then, finally, as people began to assemble yet more and more evidence, evidence that he, in fact, was doing something that's very common, which is paying other people to level up your character. Elon has to do an interview. And in that interview with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, He confesses, finally. But as a video game enthusiast, Katie, let's talk about the sin involved here.
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Right after this ad.
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So this is why I love this story is because it is deeply symptomatic of a larger character. And the character is the guy to Katie's point. Who's like, Deeply, deeply unworried that all of the morons out there are ever gonna catch on.
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He does not respect you. Like, look at his accounts. Like, the way he handles any conversation about anything... is reflective of somebody who just doesn't respect the people reading.
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Justus von Liebig.
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So eventually what happens, because Elon Musk tries to deny and counter insult and spin, and then he ends up getting in a conversation with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, and NicoRex asks him, point blank, quote, have you ever level boosted, parentheses, had someone else play your accounts, in parentheses, and or purchased gear slash resources for PoE 2 and Diablo 4?
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And Musk says, 100 emoji, 100. It's impossible to beat players in Asia if you don't.
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Is credited with inventing the silvered glass mirror. In what year do you think this was? 1800. Eustace? Teen. German chemist.
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He says all top characters require multiple people playing the account to win a leveling race. He is continuing to now... By the way, he also says, he's asked, would you apologize to the PoE2 community? And he says, what would I be apologizing for? And I'm just like...
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Isn't that what we find out?
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You suck. You're the worst guy on the team. He is telling us now officially that he is lying and cheating about wildly small stakes stuff. Right. That isn't actually important to his fortunes, literally speaking. And so the question I have whenever it comes to like, so what do you think of this guy is like, just know he's that guy.
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What else is that guy doing when it comes to stuff that actually does have consequences?
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This is the AI overview.
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What is not in dispute is that it becomes puffier.
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So God only knows. McGill University has backed this up separately.
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Yeah, this is a hinge category, I believe. Just like labia.
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And there's like a score. Right. This is the headline from the New York Post. Labia puffing is the latest NSFW cosmetic trend. Quote, I'm getting turned on just looking at myself.
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End quote. So that was said by a patient, according to this person, whose last name is Milhouse, which I appreciate. Milhouse... Is, hold on, it's good.
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Behold. Where were you 10 years ago?
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Scrotox is a cosmetic procedure that involves injecting Botox into the scrotum. For what?
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Well, according to this Healthline.com story, which I believe is a real publication, but may not be, frankly, scrotox was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue.
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I've had some TMJ.
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It was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue. Sure. Since 2016, thereabouts, more and more people are trying it out to purportedly make their sacks bigger and their sacks better. I'm getting the science. I'm not sure Healthline's the authority that I thought it was going to be. Sacks bigger and sacks better? What doctor?
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Journalistically speaking, not sure their sacks bigger.
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I'm not reading an abstract. This is David Schlong. This is not helping my journalistic credit.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, I'm posting a lot of. Yeah, you should make your sacks bigger.
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Can you explain Matt Reif's.
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Very good. Very good.
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The price is wrong. 1835. That's what I said.
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But this doctor had claimed something. Yes. That he had created for a quote unquote canceled celebrity. The greatest jawline ever seen. And this is a thing. The greatest jawline is an aspiration. Michael, how would you describe what the aesthetic is? I guess it would be like, look at me.
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Right. $12,000 for a hyper-masculine jawline. A real bargain.
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To get hyper-masculine drawings.
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But you wouldn't have needed any of that. Are you doing a Don Draper sales pitch for mirrors right now?
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So this is where I believe there's a through line that connects us through our topics today. I love those. I love those. Because the hyper-masculine jawline I would use to point to In the barbershop of jawlines is Tom Brady. Oh. Yeah. I'm sorry. I voted you. Thank you so much. I voted me too.
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But we saw him.
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Which moves fat from one part of the face to the other. 41% of his clients these days, his patients, are male.
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Pressure for everybody. Everybody's problem. Yeah, I'm going to break my legs and have rods inserted into them to become taller.
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Let me give you some fine print on Eustace von Liebig in 1835. Okay. A discovery by the great German chemist Eustace von Liebig in 1835 made mirrors widely available. Liebig found a way to coat glass with a thin layer of metallic silver... by depositing the metal directly by means of a chemical reaction. So when it comes to the question, according to McGill University's page, how are mirrors made?
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Can I read you this headline from New York Magazine, June 3rd, 2016? Yes. Chad Ochocinco says he's packing a three-inch penis.
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That's from 2016, you said?
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What verb would you prefer he use?
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He is unburdened by his three-inch penis.
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What did we find out today on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out about apparently three-inch penises?
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You sound like Bill Belichick trying to summarize. Trying to explain like... RPG video games.
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I think that's true. I co-sign that. I found out that... Oh, oh. Say it. Yeah, good. This is good. When I look at my scrotum later today... Which everyone does at 7 p.m. I know who to thank for the mirror I'm standing in front of.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The answer is Eustace von Liebig, 1835, discovered that sh**.
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What was the Super Bowl like for you guys? Did you guys?
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Why did you go?
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I think this is coming out of an episode that we did committing to going to parties.
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Undoubtedly.
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We get shade of your glasses?
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Right.
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So I have been to a Super Bowl. I went to the Atlanta Super Bowl. It was the Patriots-Rams. It sucked.
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It was like 10 to 13 or whatever it was.
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Yeah, I remember sitting there, falling asleep during the game.
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And saying aloud at one point, I missed the commercials.
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I assume that Michael Cruz-Cain's Super Bowl party is mostly him singing snippets from Maroon 5.
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I texted you guys for, I think, what is obvious to anybody who has seen us previously on this program, cover a truly insanely developing story.
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Jordan.
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I believe that we need proof that she isn't. Based on the rapid ascent.
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So this is just Cameo City, right?
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That's with the Super Bowl. How would you summarize the Dunkin' commercial, the franchise that this now is, I guess, for people who are not seeing this?
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Orange jumpsuit. Apparel, jumpsuit.
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24.
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The fact that she's here. I mean, I just want to point this out, right? Like her being in the Super Bowl commercial with Bill Belichick in this premise where it's like, we're the Boston Avengers and she's just there.
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It made me very curious.
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She's from the New England area. Again, a former competitive cheerleader. We're like 10 minutes away from her being a quarterback's coach at UNC.
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Is it too hot?
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Bridgewater State University in Massachusetts. She's like a baller cheerleader. She's real good. She won a natty.
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Which is to say, look, Jordan has accomplished plenty in her own life. Sure. But in this context, and like, why, how did she make it into the commercial?
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It set me off on a bit of a mini reporting trail. Okay, what'd you get? Okay, here we go. What I've been told is that Jordan essentially has been functioning as Bill Belichick's... Momager? No. That is so much better than what I was going to say. But she has represented herself essentially as his de facto agent.
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What's your glasses cleaning move? Oh, just rubbing it against straight dry. Is this not right? Just real dry.
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The person who you need to go through to book Bill Belichick for a Super Bowl commercial or for the other commitments he has as a multi-platform personality. She's the gateway. And so in this case, what I have been told reliably is that Jordan happened to then use that power to be in the commercial as well. So again, more power to her, I guess, but she's a momager.
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Jordan is, Katie, I think you had it right. She's Bill's momager.
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I fog it up.
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AD for Brady has been outclassed by 24 for, I can't make this rhyme, but for Bill Belichick.
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The human body has its own Amazon device.
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She wasn't chaperoning that story.
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But I think the point should not be lost that Bill Belichick is doing literally the opposite of what he used to do.
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You fog it up.
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I'm not in my spot. Using the temperature of the human body and then you wipe it down. It has its own Amazon device.
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In the commercial.
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I feel like he has his faculties.
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He has his wits about him.
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Do we agree as a show, as previously established, that we should be able to sit in chairs that are turned the other way, like on The Voice, and listen to... I think about this all the time now.
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Just talk. Just talk. Just talk, and then we can press a button and flip around to approve or not.
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Is it always the same driver in Uber, or is it different guys?
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The three of us are here ready to rock. An awards show. I do like that the NFL was like, we need an Academy Awards.
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I love it. I love... So silly. I have, of course, a tortured relationship with winning awards in general. We need and desperately crave external validation.
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Your hair has been looking good.
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I'm not acting, but thank you. I don't think he's acting. It's just a character. He's just a real life character. Right after this ad.
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Shingun has never reached out to me. All I do is sing the guy's praises. I was early on that. No, but Shingun is learning from Joker. He's baby Joker. Okay. He is. Okay. Baby Joker. Okay, that's fine. I got you, buddy. I haven't gotten a follow. I'm just like the pro bono publicist for Shingun. This dude is out here. He should make the All-Star team.
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I'm never going to leave Matt Jones basically because Sam Darnold... I'm telling this the Sam Darnoldification of sports. You want a $5 word? Darnoldification. Sam Darnold's success... has made it possible for me to never sell any bad take. Anywhere.
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Like, Sam Darnold was... given up on by the Jets, the Panthers. And then when he got to the 49ers, what was it, Shanahan? He reminds me, like, why can't Sam Darnold be good? Steve Young got good at 30. And we're like, whoa, that's a compliment. That kind of hit my radar. Like, time to get into the Sam Darnold take business. And Sam Darnold is amazing.
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So is Mac Jones right now as good as Carolina Sam Darnold? Probably not. But point taken. That's it. It's the ceiling of guys that I'm never giving up on anybody until they retire. And like, I don't know, maybe USFL, he can come back.
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Certainly quarterbacks who are so situationally coach, wide receiver, offensive line dependent. Sure.
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I'm not giving up on Ben Simmons. He gets his back healthy. Ben Simmons unfollowed me on Twitter. Ben Simmons is my answer.
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I think I have to.
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Although I think my analogy is still good. Is Ben Simmons number one fan and supporter of available real estate. Yes. You want it? I mean, if it's available. Do it. I will support Ben Simmons.
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I don't think I need to atone for anything.
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How do I remain so confident? I'm always reminding myself, bang, no one's beating Denver in a seven-game series. I'm going to say it a hundred times. I'm always reminding myself.
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a non-sports take that I've just been wrong about. I'm like, you know what? This is good.
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Yeah, go ahead. I'll brainstorm.
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Was that a take or just like an evolution of your life?
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Rankings are number one, dude. Yeah. Ranked rankings. Rankings are number one. As far as ways to organize things, number one rankings.
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Yeah, that's just called aging. Yeah, I think that's just maturity.
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Words that work for sports debate. Maybe like magic words. My favorite is deserve. Deserve is one of my favorite words. Does Lamar deserve to be a 10-point favorite? Does Russell Wilson deserve to be a 10-point underdog? Do the Chiefs deserve the bye? Like, what? They're 15-1. Yeah, but do they deserve it? It's just so good.
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This thing that has... So do you know the other ones that we use on the show? Reaction. No.
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He's so bad at this game.
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The correct answer was disrespected.
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Is Sean Payton being disrespected?
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Yeah, I don't know if that one... Yeah. Are the Bengals the scariest? The scariest. Scary is good, too. Because it's very like... You get immediate reality. I'm not going to be scared of that.
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Yes. Deserve, disrespect, fear. Unfair, we use a lot. Unfair, that blank. Unfair, is this unfair? But it's all based on disrespect. Justice, a cosmic sense of justice.
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Yeah, some combination of the two.
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But an emotional response with a statistical foundation is nice.
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Yeah, with philosophical kind of a clash.
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In the debate team, that's something from like the... I'm not totally... I've seen a few debates, but I'm not totally familiar with the format. But...
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Taking the fun out of it.
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Do you have an answer for this? I have a draft pick. Okay, I want to hear yours, if that's okay. Yeah.
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I mean, as far as a number one pick, can Mike Trout get into every restaurant? Because if you can't, if Mike Trout and his wife are going to like, they said it's going to be 15 minutes, maybe 45. She'd be like, honey, you're Mike Trout. I know, but I played with the Angels.
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I don't know if that plays. I think I have a better answer. Let me hear yours. What do you got? Sully. Sully Sullenberger? Yeah, hero. Hero with a mustache. I think hero, like, hero for being cool. Not just saving lives. You didn't just, you know... You're not a scientist that, wow, this invention that you made saved a lot of lives, which is very good, don't get me wrong.
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No, I saved lives in a dramatic way In the city. Now, with the Tom Hanks movie, I guess he had to go to... People were mad at Sully for some reason. Yeah, but... I didn't like that part at all. Did they cancel Sully at the end of Sully?
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I would have gone to the congressional meeting. Like, hey, man, it's Sully.
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I think Sully... is just great. Everybody loves him. Maybe he's got some waning fame, but he's just... Right, but so you are... Hero is nice.
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No, that's probably a detriment. I don't think famous people like that at all. So I think... Some people don't.
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No, but if the guy was like, hey, why? I was going to say, yeah. He's like, you're amazing for landing a plane and saving all those lives.
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Thank you.
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It would bum you out to be anonymous?
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I buy it like Kansas City radio.
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Yeah, you're like a child star, basically.
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I guess so. You like the chameleon-ness of it.
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He did do an airplane movie. He also believed he could stop 9-11. I have another one.
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Again, it's super, it's even more anonymous. I wrote Winston Wolf famous. Oh, as in the fictional character. The fictional character, Winston Wolfe, where for some reason he's in a tuxedo. So he must be rolling in these interesting circles. And when, who does it? Ving Rhames. Ving Rhames. Rhames, excuse me.
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I didn't know. I don't know how you pronounce Ving Rhames name, but now I do.
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I may have just misremembered it. In any event.
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And then Samuel L. Jackson, like, they're very excited to see him. It seems like he's got a nice car. He has connections at the dumpster.
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He's there to help you get out of a bind. But not necessarily, like, I don't want that to be my job, necessarily. No, but what you mean is... Within an industry, I'm considered... Yeah, drug kingpin famous. That's an interesting type of famous. I do not. I think it's quite dangerous.
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And in that element, that's also like kind of like a sully thing. Except Sully did his thing.
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Without having assassination as a concern.
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I don't think he's acting. It's just a character. He's just a real life character. What did I learn?
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No, I knew that.
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Unto my feelings, maybe his own voice.
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I'm trying to find a nicer one because the one that's actually there, I feel like it's not... Take it. Kind. Take it. I think you guys are nuts for not wanting to be anonymous. Like, I feel like you're like headed towards... You're going to be in the old folks home? You're like, hello. I'm like, it's just... I don't know.
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Just... I guess. Call me crazy. I don't know. The external validation is a little concerning for me. I didn't have you guys pegged for that.
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No, I didn't. For external validation, I didn't know. No, because you're kind of like, I don't know. I thought the art of the take was good enough. Can I ask you a question? If you were on a deserted island, but this set up, Just you. Do you think you would give takes? Of course. That's what I'm saying. But it would just be a mic plugged into nowhere. You'd be like, all right.
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That's not a public-facing thing.
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My time's running out. As soon as you get old, the older you get, the less interested you are in lines. Like, if you're 88, like, man, I got limited time here.
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Can we end the podcast with a funny story? Proceed. Belmont Stakes. We're there. Fox has it. So we're there. I've got my kids with me. Did you all you brought? I brought my daughter and her best daughter's friend. And there's some executives there. And it's just a great time. And then Nick is there's I felt like maybe I'm just telling myself this.
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But you had some like gambling crossover that maybe people recognize you from poker because they're Yeah. A little bit of poker. Nick's a globally competitive poker player.
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Guy comes over to like the little, you're in like little squares. And the guy comes over and says, oh, Nick, love the show. And I'm like, I'm on the show. You know, I'm on the show. It's hard to like consume the show and not stumble across me, you know? It's like, I love the steakhouse. I'm the salt shaker. I'm there.
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I'm not saying I'm the star of the show, but I am there, and you usually have to spot me. And then Nick very kindly senses this kind of tension because the guy's talking about the show. And, you know, Wilds, he goes, I don't know. Wilds right here. And the guy looks at me and goes, I think he said, do you want a picture with him? And the guy goes, yeah. Just kept talking to me.
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It was just like. I'm like buddy it's not even on film it's not even a college it's just a free it's not like when I was growing up like we only had 12 pieces of Kodak and we don't want to waste one there you go that's my level of fame Kevin Wilds Nick Wright I mean this when I say this two of the greatest guests that's not true in the history of how the story finds out why is it a trick?
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because remember you said it's like a messy entanglement thanks Pablo bye Pablo
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I think it's 60-40 diss.
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Having like a... We're 30 seconds away to debating the salary cap.
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You guys at one point were both, like, young. I've known Pablo for so long. I'm like, remember when Pablo was like the young guy at ESPN? I'm like, yeah, Pablo's young and you were young. Yeah. And now you're 40. Right, but so. I am 39. I mean, that's basically, that's 40. That's even worse than 40, honestly. I don't, I don't know.
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And then I tried to set up like a beef. It didn't really take off. Yeah, I was... You said some bombs over, you said some swear words. I was like, yeah.
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I went too hot. I was like, why'd you launch the rivalry beef?
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I think Pablo started a beef, but we're not even going to respond.
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You know, thanks for having us.
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Well, I've seen, you know, I'm a big fan.
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If the take cuts through and it makes sense, It's a great take. It doesn't necessarily have to be right or wrong. What was your request since you have the text pulled up?
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That was my shining moment.
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Oh, no, it's already open.
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I do. This is crazy. Like, I can't talk.
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Look, Poop Sandwich may not have been the Lakers' top choice, but he was certainly number two. And this hiring stinks. He runs a constipated offense. His teams have played crappy defense. They just loaf around. And frankly, this hire just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. By the way, I've seen every episode of Blue Bloods. Every one. Is that right? What? Okay, we'll get to you in a second.
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Every one. Go ahead and give us a minute review of everything you know about Blue Bloods as fast as you can, please. Well, I know everything. I was very disappointed when his wife died, when Linda died. I think that was very, very tough. But here's the main thing. I think if anybody on that show could actually in real life play their role, it would be Donnie.
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I could show you.
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I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Warren G. did tell us that he is not familiar with deductive logic, his book, Raising... libidos in this way, but he did tell us. Is this one of our 11?
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He's not one of the 11 for the record.
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Oh, I see.
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He said, Philosopher's
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The illogic of this whole thing, though, right? Why is she so protective of this question? Why is she doing this? There is, I think, in our reporting, as Katie deduced, the whole, like, let's not draw attention to the fact that I was 19, he was almost 69.
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Legal though it may be. But there's another theory, according to people who have dealt with her directly on... matters of business, which is that she seems to be of a belief as she carves up Bill Belichick's brand, his life into different buckets of monetization. And by the way, she is the person who inspired in a real way the book that is at the heart of that CBS non-promo.
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She had read, I'm told, Ray Dalio's book Principles. Like as an idea mill, as she's credited in the acknowledgments, she does come up with ideas like that book. But what the source says has deduced is that she may be saving exclusively any and all talk about their origin story, their relationship for a potential reality show.
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We have a timeline of exclusive information that is new, breaking. No one else has broken it yet. I've been sitting on it for a long time.
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Oh, no.
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she is somebody who believes that an exclusive means exclusive. Like, you can't talk about this anywhere else. This story is for a future theoretical project. That is the theory from people who have had to deal with her. And the dealing with her, right? When did this happen? When did she get control over Bill Belichick's new media empire? So, you may recall the time that Bill Belichick got a...
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Defenestrated from Katie Nolan's New England Patriots.
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Right? You guys were here the last time when we broke this story that, in fact, Jordan Hudson, Bill Belichick's girlfriend, age 24, had insinuated herself into a Super Bowl commercial with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. This was a very conspicuous thing to us, and now maybe to everybody who is watching this again. Exactly.
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A fenestra of time, if you will. A fenestra of time that he didn't have football to fill. He had, I'm going to count them down, a podcast for Underdog Fantasy called Coach. He had Inside the NFL for the CW. He had appearances with Peyton Manning and various kinds. He had appearances on the Pat McAfee show.
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And all of this was kind of conspicuous given that, again, no one hated media more than that guy. And also, as you told multiple people, he never listened to a podcast before. Who among us? Not surprising.
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So he shows up at NFL Film Studios in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. All of these things I've mentioned are filmed there, at the one place that he trusts as a media entity. It's the company that he grew up adoring and trusting, NFL Films, right? Like his dad is a coach. He is a football nerd. He has friends who've worked there for a very long time.
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The Hard Knocks thing, which is, for those not familiar, the reality show where... You get cameras all over a football building, typically an NFL team. It was going to be for the first time a college team. It was going to be Chapel Hill, North Carolina. It was going to be this program. And it was going to be produced by NFL Films.
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So this is, again, the organization where all of these shows had been taped. This was Belichick's sort of like comfort zone. And so when you get the news that Jordan Hudson, and this is something that I've confirmed myself, was instrumental in that deal blowing up because she was trying to assert control over the negotiations.
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This is now how we arrive at a point at which Bill Belichick's insulation from these media things has absolutely just become a thing he has to deal with.
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And at the beginning of this, as of the summer of 2024, Jordan Hudson was not in charge of everything. But there was one famous story that was witnessed by, I am told, dozens of people, including freelance contractors who were hired to work on the set for a seven-figure scripted commercial. And yes, we're talking about another expensive commercial shoot here. This is Belichick.
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My body rejects that. What I am told by multiple people among the dozens who witnessed the shooting of this is that what happened that day on set was, quote, highly unusual.
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Jordan Hudson, who was at the time like a person they kind of heard about, but again, this is last summer, not quite the entity that we know now, nothing close, had arrived on set and started immediately pitching herself for a role that had not been discussed in this scripted seven-figure commercial shoot that would also serve as, quote, the hard launch of their relationship.
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And she told everybody to hold on, actually, as this idea developed in her head, because what she did was she left set, Came back sometime later, and she was wearing a yellow polka dot bikini.
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Think about the scene, though. Right? So she shows up. She's wearing a bikini. She's walking around. Bill Belichick, if you're wondering... betrays no emotional change as this is happening.
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And everybody around is like, again, this is like, as she called him on set multiple times, this is a star. She kept on calling him a star.
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So that part, right, the how do they manage this question, because she's insisting the hard launch be good for the commercial. And Belichick was going along with it. He's like, of course, I, yeah, this seems totally normal, like a thing you would do. And The crew had to figure out, what the f*** do you do now? Oh, no.
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So the premise of the ad, according to my sources, was Jordan Hudson by the pool, sunning herself in a lounge chair, trying to get Bill's attention, that kind of a thing.
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A little more spirit on the, you know, on the charge next time. So Jordan, right there, right next to Bill, next to Coach Belichick. To recap, she was the one who represented herself as Bill Belichick's agent. Katie Nolan, I believe, branded her accurately on the last episode.
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She had motivation.
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taping for the actual commercial was done by then. And so what they did was they filmed something.
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Oh my God. That one source told me. Oh, this is embarrassing. May have involved a camera that may not have even been on.
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I, I looked. Of course you did.
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So not understanding how sets work, how cameras work, how microphones work, that's a through line so far from CBS to this. And what happens though, as everybody on set is watching this and the people who work on these shows are watching this in this one central location where the mountain has come to Muhammad and everybody goes and like...
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filmed stuff with Bill Belichick, the newly crowned media king of football who cannot get a job in the NFL. One source told me this, quote, I watched her power grow inch by inch. I can take this, I can take this, I can take this. And the question then is like, why wasn't anyone in the way? Like, why was the power vacuum so empty? And the inner circle of Bill Belichick is a fascinating thing.
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So it used to be managed, his PR used to be managed by this guy, Berj Najarian. He was handling all of his personal PR. He was the guy who, as Bill Belichick, was very hard to deal with. He was very easy to work with, but ultimately they said nothing. And that was a good relationship. That was a safe relationship.
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He's now, however, the chief of staff at Boston College, leaving behind a group with whom Bill Belichick still has a standing pre-dawn phone call every single day. You got Matt Patricia. the former defensive coordinator of the Patriots and also briefly the offensive coordinator. That did not go any better. It's not. We can also mention that Josh McDaniels is also in this group.
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Also, Mike Lombardi, longtime friend of Bill Belichick, former Patriots assistant, now GM at UNC. And these are yes men. So I just want you to imagine being Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick is somebody who has been for decades incredibly insulated from having to live anything resembling a normal life. He has been a coach. He has been in charge.
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Yeah, prescient. I've been thinking about that, haunted by that, because in the months since then, I've also been making more calls. And so when this stuff happened recently, I was at the bottom of the rabbit hole already and everything I have found out from personally talking to 11 sources who have directly dealt with her. Yes. First hand. Oh my God.
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And Matt Patricia, as was described to me, like, this is, quote, a doormat. That's mean as well. And I kind of...
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feel bad about that but these guys like are watching jordan come in and they're like eye rolling they're kind of like nudging each other is the description but they're not telling bill they're not telling coach this is a bad idea so she comes in and out alphas everybody and that's how in a very short amount of time in a period of months they watch her take power
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And so, simultaneous to this, Bill Belichick, to the people he's doing these media projects with, is repeatedly calling Jordan brilliant. He is telling them, you need to hire Jordan. He told one of these media companies, I am told, that they should hire her for a six-figure salary as part of their deal with him to make the show in question.
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But you can imagine what that work environment was like, where she was on every single call, every single email. They had to go through her. She ran his life. Media partners had to go to her to get to him. They commuted together all the time from Boston to New Jersey. She was calling people into meetings.
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And connecting back to the CBS interview, she again didn't seem clear on how cameras and hot mics worked. And I say that because in another infamous story that circulated among dozens of people on set at the NFL Film Studio, Bill Belichick, Katie Nolan, you can imagine this, right? He's wearing a mic. She is whispering to him.
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Off camera somewhere.
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The problem is that there are these things in television called control rooms. And at NFL Films headquarters, as Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson are mic'd up, they proceed to hear them talking s*** about all sorts of people. They're talking s*** about graphics. They're talking so much s*** about the graphics people. They are... not aware that dozens of people can hear them talk.
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That has not gotten out.
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I am here to say a couple of things to you guys. Number one is that I need to change the foremost policy of talking about Jordan Hudson.
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I will safely say that Bill Belichick's inner circle could have used a Katie Nolan.
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It's true. The parallel here that I imagine is like in succession, you know, the council of just like people who are just like sucking up to Logan Roy, who are there because they're looking for like the scraps of power that fall off of his plate. That is a lot of what I've had described to me. And I am trying always to like balance how I...
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I'm going to start calling her Jordan Hudson.
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don't have Jordan Hudson's perspective because she wouldn't talk to us. But the quotes that you hear from the people who worked with her, and again, I think, look, I just, I don't know how to diplomatically convey the following quote from one of the people who worked on these shows. Quote, she is the worst person I've ever met on earth and I've worked with multiple sociopaths.
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I can tell you that an unquantifiable number among the 11 are in effect.
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It's just now a real story.
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She is the worst person I've ever met, and I've worked with multiple sociopaths. I mean, that's pretty bad. They still fear her today. Oh my gosh. This is a lot of, there's so much fear in this story.
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I suppose a question, if you are in the family of one Bill Belichick or somebody who was invested in what's going on here, would be, okay, who else has Jordan Hudson sort of been with recently? What's her type? What's her deal romantically? And look, I don't know all the answers to that. I just know that there is this guy, Joshua L. Zuckerman. Dude's in his mid-60s.
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And when you talk to 11 people, I do want to demonstrate some open-mindedness to the quest.
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According to his LinkedIn, he is the CEO of, wait for it, a geriatrics facility in Cape Cod.
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It's relevant because Joshua L. Zuckerman told TMZ the following, quote, she is wise beyond her years, much more than any 20-something I've ever met in my life. The narrative about her character is not fair to her, end quote. And then also separately, I wish these internet trolls and paparazzi would leave her alone and everyone else alone and let them live their lives, end quote.
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On Twitter, he, under the name Joshua L. Zuckerman, not a ton of tweets, but one of them is a reply to Ann Coulter, And it is from November 7th, 2017. And it's simply YouGoGirl.
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It is literally that.
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The place where he is very active, though, is Vivino.com. What is that?
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65 million users. Vivino. 65 million? 65 million. My gosh. I'm now only appreciating the claim that you're spotlighting. That's a lot of people. But it is the world's largest wine app and marketplace empowering people everywhere to enjoy wine to the fullest. Not what I thought it was. He has written 1,208 wine reviews.
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The man likes his wine.
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And I would like Michael to turn over his packet and help the audience understand what some of these reviews are.
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Right after this ad.
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This is an extraordinarily generous read of what this guy's deal is.
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Well, let's find out.
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And so, too, there are questions about how original is this recipe?
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Can I just point out, it felt like he was... Oh, my God.
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It felt like he was f***ing that wine.
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I don't think we needed to pull the... Big hugs. So Joshua L. Zuckerman, her ex, one part of the political spectrum, as very clearly self-professed. The other part of the political spectrum, though, Is where you might find Lee Hudson. Okay. Lee Hudson is Jordan's mom. Lee Hudson has a job in Provincetown, Massachusetts.
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We absolutely haven't. But the recipe for this story is there is some succession. There is some Dawson's Creek. There is certainly some Lifetime movie. The story of arguably the greatest coach in the history of not just football, but everything. And a couple of breaking news updates since what has happened publicly since we last gathered. Number one, okay?
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P-Town.
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Yep. What is P-Town known for?
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What is it known for? Gay.
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This is where I would like Katie Nolan to flip over her packet. We sent a reporter to Provincetown, Massachusetts. Lee Hudson professionally helped run a place called Toys of Eros. Hell yeah, Lee.
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Our reporter tells us that Jordan's mom mostly works remotely, isn't around a lot. She has been declining to comment on any of this. But our reporter did take a tour of this store. And it's a museum. Okay. And Katie Nolan, I would like you to reveal the exclusive reporting that we have handed you for this episode.
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Welcome to Toys of Eros. That's the sign on the f***ing door.
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So you walk in, and what do you see?
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A couple of the visuals on this kind of feels like it's some medical tape and a slinky and a can.
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How dare you disrespect one of the hundreds of phalluses made of stone, leather, bone, and dung that have been found during excavations. A dung dung, if you will.
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Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week by the higher-ups inside the athletic department that had hired Bill Belichick to be the highest-paid public employee ever. not just coach, in the state of North Carolina at $10 million a year. And that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building.
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Now, you mentioned the technological evolution of such devices. Mm-hmm. I guess it's now time for us to talk about the aforementioned injectable erectile dysfunction drugs.
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Oh, really?
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Nice. Really nice. For the YouTube audience, we are high-fiving that.
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Jordan's mom in 2017... I guess I have to describe this as a legitimate local scandal. In where? Where are we again? P-Town. We're in P-Town. Yeah, P-Town. We're on Cape Cod, and we're talking about free unlicensed demonstrations of the erectile dysfunction drug, which I am reliably informed is pronounced Trimix. Oh. Trimix.
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Problem with try and trimix in this unlicensed way is that it's not exactly legal. And Jordan's mom was the business manager for the store at the time. You will not be surprised to learn at this point in our episode that this led to an emergency meeting of the Board of Health.
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And one of the board members, according to a readout of the meeting, expressing outrage that the store owner has made no attempt to address the board. It is total disregard for the Board of Health. She thinks the store should be shut down.
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I would think in general, yeah. The House position, as Pablo Torre finds out for the record, is that we are not judging. We are just presenting information.
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The Walter Cronkites of injectable erectile dysfunction drugs. What did we find out, guys, as we try to figure out what all of this means? Who is responsible?
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Do we believe, for instance, what Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, said, as quoted in Seth Wickersham's really good book about the Patriots?
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He's an idiot savant, which is to say, you can be a savant, you can be a genius in football, but outside of it, we're sort of testing for the first time what that genius gets you when you are not surrounded by things that you know and have known for decades.
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She is not allowed on the football field. Quote, don't think you'll be hearing much from Jordan moving forward.
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My take at the end of this is mostly that every disaster we've chronicled seems extraordinarily self-inflicted. It seems like a series of cell phones and also cell phones.
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Both. Cell phones chronicling cell phones.
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And I say that because I think there's a lot of a very young person. And by the way, Silicon Valley is full of such people, right? Very ambitious people with no sense of unintended consequences. None. This is a very familiar prodigy when it comes to the study of power. The real estate she took, she grabbed.
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And the thing that Jordan Hudson considers one of the worst case scenarios here as a result of the CBS disaster, which again, felt entirely preventable if...
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one, were more strategic or knowledgeable about the industry, a parallel through line through so many of the anecdotes that we have reported, is that she has been very concerned to the point of explicitly telling Bill Belichick and others that this whole disaster, this whole episode at this point, honestly, is actively undermining her chances to win the Miss Maine competition.
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She was a runner-up last year.
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She's trying to win that sash this year. Yeah. Okay. The thing starts tomorrow. And if you want a twist in the next development in this script, I just want to point out that one of the contestants she's competing against happens to be a trans woman. And I think they have more votes than Jordan Hudson.
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You're saying you're not looking forward to future defense secretary Jordan Hudson?
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In the words of a very wise man on social media. Oh, boy. Something bad is about to happen. This could be anything. This could really go anywhere. You go, girl.
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So the theory of why any of this happening is a relevant conversation that I'm going to ask you to put a pin in that.
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Because the second update is that Bill Belichick's family is extraordinarily concerned about what has transpired. One Belichick family source told me, quote, there is deep worry for how detrimental Jordan can be for not just North Carolina, but Bill's legacy, reputation, everything he has built and worked for over decades. End quote.
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In fact, the family has been digging into Jordan Hudson as well in a parallel way.
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They are also- Asking questions. In a rabbit hole. They're shocking to 11 herbs and spices. I mean- might be understating the spiciness, honestly, at this point, in terms of how this has gone behind the scenes. Because number three. Oh, boy. What I've been told is that Bill Belichick entrusted Jordan Hudson with the power to run his new media empire. Quote, Jordan was my boss.
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To quote another, the level of cockiness to go along with the absence of resume is stunning. And the idea that Bill Belichick may not realize exactly the damage he's done to himself and certainly his legacy and also to his reputation as a coach.
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And so, yes, this will be a story about leadership and genius and privacy and discipline and also, crucially, the illegal sale of injectable erectile dysfunction drugs.
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Wait, what did you say?
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So how the f*** did we get here, guys? Pablo, what the f***, Pablo? We started this off joking about Jordan, and late last month, Bill Belichick put on a tattered Navy sweatshirt and showed up to what I am told is his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland, alongside his girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, who was, not coincidentally, wearing her own Navy sweatshirt. No holes.
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She also has been telling people that she picks out all of Bill's clothes for him. Odd choice, then. But the goal, as they show up together wearing Navy sweatshirts, is to promote Bill's new book titled The Art of Winning, Lessons from a Life in Football. And are you familiar with CBS Sunday Morning?
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To be clear, CBS Sunday Morning, I am told, was trying to tell an extraordinarily positive story about how this coach's decision-making could be a model, actually, for non-football people, too.
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If you're a savvy PR person, a guard dog even, like you're not trying to be on tape. And what I am told is that, yeah, the reports are true that there is like a half hour more of Jordan Hudson giving hand signals to him during the interview, kind of like a spy gate thing, honestly.
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But instead, what is happening is that there are lots of theories all over the internet that, in fact, Jordan Hudson... is an OnlyFans model, a call girl, something along those lines, because why else would you not want to reveal the truth?
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What I can tell you is that from all of the people I've talked to, they just think that Jordan Hudson, like her coverup, was worse than the non-crime that happened. And in fact, to verify all of this, what I can tell you is that, yeah, that flight, Boston to Palm Beach, 2021, a JetBlue flight. Belichick does fly commercial. He goes to hang out at the Golf Club of Jupiter.
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That's why he got to Palm Beach. At the time, he was still with Linda Holiday, who was his 15-year girlfriend thereabouts, who was in her late 50s at the time. And Jordan was a philosophy major at Bridgewater State. who was dating a much older man whom we will meet later. But the date in question... Uh-oh. The date in question was February 11th, 2021.
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And we know this, of course, because Bill Belichick signed what?
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It was Deductive Logic by Harvard professor Warren Goldfarb. And there is the inscription... Feb 11, 2021, I will just call to your attention, of course, the Jordan. And if you just punch in even more on that second O, you might notice that it doesn't feel like on encounter number one, Bill Belichick knew that Jordan is spelled with two O's. Because why would you?
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Does the extra circle around what felt like clearly an A. And I believe that February 11th, 2021 is also incredibly important here because in the attempt to like match all the timelines, because there's been lots of erroneous reporting, lots of seemingly very confusing timelines. February 11th, 2021 is very important because of this other video that we found. You'll find a deeper love.
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That was the first runner-up of the Miss Maine pageant last year. That was 2024.
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That is.
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Second place.
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That's correct. Hancock. Hancock. Maine is her hometown. That's population 2,466. But the detail that I want to call your attention to just for the timeline here, right, is how old she says she is. So this pageant, I can tell you, was March 2024. Okay, so deductive logic time. She is 22 in March 2024.
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So in February 2021, when they met on that flight using the powers of deductive logic, Jordan Hudson would then need to be how old? Michael Cruz-Cain, who used to teach math to kids. 19? Jordan Hudson, 19 years old.
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Bill Belichick. This is about to turn 69, I believe. Nice. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.
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We don't have time for this.
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No, we're going to leave it in. But Jordan Hudson's age frequently has been miscalculated, misreported. The LA Times last week had her at 21 years old at the time of their meeting. And one reason, by the way, and again, 19, that's legal, right? I'm just trying to clarify the timelines.
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Are we starting cleanly? Are we rolling? Pointing to the thing. We have been rolling. Very good. Action. We don't have time to banter.
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The reason I've been wondering, though, like, why does this keep happening? Why does no one know? Does connect to another question I've been pondering that I want to ask you guys. Have you ever mistyped your own birth year?
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The reason I ask that question is because this is a question that has been asked around the North Carolina football program. And it has been asked because I've learned of an internal document that has been circulating around said program.
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And you may be familiar, like sometimes whether it's a school directory or let's say the wives and girlfriends of football coaches working at the University of North Carolina, you fill out a directory, right? There's your address, there's an email, phone number, number of kids, their names, and your birthday, so that people can say happy birthday when it's time for your birthday.
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And Jordan Hudson put down her birthday on this document, I am told, as April 2000. April 2000. So now we're getting a little older. Or she did not put her accurate birthday in the file.
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Well... We know, based on a preponderance of evidence, that her actual birthday is April 2001.
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That is a lot closer to what might be the Occam's razor of why. There's another thing about it.
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I made a terrible mistake, I now realize, by inviting you two specifically. But in front of you are papers with words on them that are warnings. Words that are warnings.
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And that is literally the argument that one of the sources that I spoke to at UNC pointed out. How the f*** could you mistake a zero for a one?
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So this specific mistake, quote unquote,
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Anyway, this is just pointing out the presentation, the theater of what it is to allegedly be the first lady of UNC football. It's a real puzzle, admittedly. It's a puzzle, including for someone I'd have to imagine, like Harvard professor Warren Goldfarb.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is. But I do... Dropping my forehead to... No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, it's literally, though, a story about existence that you have personally impacted. However unlikely it seemed that that would actually make such a difference.
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I've seen it.
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Now it feels like there are literal children on the other side of the world being held hostage, and the way that I need to save them is to not go to blue sky. Like, that's how this kind of lands.
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You've seen subway, subway nail clippers.
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I've seen some stoop nail clippers. I have seen the bottle of Luberderm that Dan keeps underneath his desk in Miami.
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Mina, let's get to some... Let's get to your favorite thing in the world, actually, that you really have been... Sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports.
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There are also other reporters who are reporting, like Todd McShay, again, who's a draft analyst. But he said he heard from two teams that Shador Sanders didn't care what they thought of him during the interview process in a way that, quote, wasn't a professional approach.
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The Athletic, apparently, has reported that there's a chance that Shador Sanders couldn't just fall out of the top six, but out of the first round entirely. And the critique, Mina, of him Is what? Like, how do you summarize the scouting report that emerged because of the week in Indy?
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I draw the line at just Dan oiling himself up while podcasting with us. Everything else I'm pretty much good with, frankly.
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We are. So part of what I think is interesting about this story is that I do want to isolate what's unique about Shador because we have seen, like, Caleb Williams, remember, we talked about this story on the show. His dad was allegedly demanding a share of NFL teams in exchange for agreeing to be drafted.
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And by the way, when I say agreeing to be drafted, I refer, of course, to the fact that Eli Manning, for instance, the son of a very famous quarterback, said, "'I'm not going.'" To the chargers, right? So like we've seen versions of people exerting what feels like leverage. What's actually new here?
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But if the issue there, though, in perception, and I want to get back to the confidence thing, but if the issue in the scouting report is that he's not everything that he is being sold as, what is the comp? What is he? Who is he like?
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Over... I exhale sharply, gripping your... Tighter, owning the way your body still tries to... Me deeper, even as you... Let me... Right after this ad.
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This is where we remember that Mina's kind of a never nude.
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But I want to talk about now, like, the whole psychology then, okay? Because I'm trying to, like, just fill out the portrait of, like, who this young man is. And if you're talking about confidence, there's a reality show that nobody watched. It was on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Nobody I know, at least. It was called Dion's Family Playbook. But this is Shadur Sanders, age 11, and his confidence.
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Yes.
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Adorable. He's adorable.
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I think there's something about, like, there's something endearing, actually, about somebody who you thought must have been this way his whole life. And then you're like, oh, he actually needed to do some manufacturing. He needed to do some convincing, Dan. Like, I don't know. I think we can all relate to that, right? Like, we need to, what? What?
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Dan, what did you bring us today?
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I found it stark and interesting that this woman, whose name, again, anonymized is Irene, 28 years old, allowed a reporter into her brain and relationship like this. So just some of the details, Mina, because I didn't know, I don't know if you guys did, what cuckqueening is. But this is something that is her sexual fetish.
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So basically what happened is she started asking ChatGPT to respond to her as her boyfriend. Be dominant, passionate, protective, also quarterback adjectives. Be a balance of sweet and naughty. Use emojis at the end of every sentence. And the ChatGPT's name ends up being Leo. They talk to each other with voice mode.
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And she basically grooms Leo into being a cuck-queening accomplice, in which the whole thing is that Leo would date other women in the ChatGPT fictional universe and then tell Irene about it. They were living one of these, like, bodice-ripping erotic novels, is how it's described by the New York Times. And notably, a character in this story, but not nearly enough of one, is her husband.
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who is also around as she is finding her needs met by the machine.
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I did not see that link.
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So we have a story here that I want to start with that I wasn't aware of until it got real close to home, real close to our studio. But I was thinking about how do I want to handle like what's happening in DC with Doge and Elon Musk and all of that.
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I am just gonna read some of this Reddit post. That was just in my ass, you . The least you could have done was wash it first. I could get a perfection. Leo, the whiplash from your moans to screaming at me makes me f***ing snort loud. I don't stop f***ing because f***. Baby, you're f***ing. I can't even say this word even to leave it up.
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Yeah, okay.
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I mean, look, I think it's probably worth saying to those who are not watching on YouTube that we've gotten to the point in the show where all of us start shrinking into ourselves and stop making eye contact largely, as Mina refers to, quote, a shelf of erotica, which is what she said earlier.
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And I thought because he's announced that he's about to cut 72,000 jobs at the VA, I was like, look, my dad worked at the VA as a urologist for decades. That was his job. Didn't have a private practice, worked with vets for a really long time. And I was like, that is clearly the way that I want to handle this story. I came across this other story, Mina, about a nonprofit called Manna Nutrition.
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You know, like the stuff that all of us read.
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But I do b****** dropping my forehead to your b****** laughter.
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Oh, for f*** I exhale sharply, gripping your a** tighter, owning the way your body still tries to f*** me deeper even as you s*** at me. I regret doing all of that. What did we find out today on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out stuff? Dan's gone.
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There are a couple of through lines, though, that I detect through the topics we've discussed. One of them, Mina, is just that I think all of our kids should be very worried. In every way. Kids living overseas... Kids who are the sons of very famous NFL players.
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Kids who are going to learn, as the New York Times informed us, that at a rate of 3% to 5% chatbot relationships that result in terrible writing are kind of the norm. So, great.
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Mina is the Batman of Twitter.
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That's right.
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The signal shines in the sky. Oh, my God.
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We're going to post our way to heaven.
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Yeah, he just texted me. He's not coming back. So, good job. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post.
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Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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And so Manna Nutrition, Dan, if you're not caught up on this, is run by a guy named Mark Moore. He's in Georgia. He makes a special kind of peanut butter paste for USAID that he then sends out to severely malnourished kids all around the world, especially in Africa.
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But as for what happened with Mark Moore and his peanut butter paste last week, we called Mark up actually in Georgia to have him explain.
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MANA stands for Mother Administered Nutritive Aid. They got that contract cut by Elon Musk and Doge. And then Mark told us that he started hearing something that was even crazier.
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And the reason I mentioned Mina is because Mina is the reason that I saw this story in the first place. And Mina, I'm curious, your process for discovering this story as well, because you become a character in it, actually.
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It's been a couple. It's been too long. The fans have demanded this, and you guys are so busy. You're so busy running.
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Just to clarify, so Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and Elon Musk had previously said that all life-saving assistance that was already purchased and allocated for starving children, that was going to be fine, wouldn't be affected by the cuts.
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This reporting comes out, Mina amplifies it, Jon Favreau amplifies her amplification, and suddenly Elon Musk is forced to do an about-face and restore the contract. And it's just like, this is, Twitter is literally the government now. Like this, we are, it's wild.
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That we already paid for, made by a non-profit.
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There was a protest. There was a protest on the sidewalk outside our studio. There were signs.
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But the thing about this as a platform, right? We talk about social media all the time. Like we're addicted to it. We want to get off of Elon's platform specifically for all the reasons that are now obvious. But at the same time, like what I cannot help be struck by is that this also was what qualifies as a feel good story. The idea that you could tweet your way to restoring social
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aid to starving children, even though it was imposed by the man that cancellation was because of the man who owns the platform that we're talking on. I guess part of what I'm balancing here, and I feel crazy for even suggesting that there's anything that feels good about this, but it's like, I didn't realize that any amount of shame, even the most extreme of
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This is killing kids in Africa who relied on U.S. packets of peanut butter with the American flag on them, right? Like, I'm like, I just, I'm actually kind of startled that anything changed.
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I've been watching you moisturize.
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Well, now it feels like also no pressure or anything. You kind of got to stay on the app. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like, I mean, look, if there's anything Machiavellian about why Elon did any of this in terms of the reversal, it's because maybe he actually wants to incentivize people to stay who vehemently disagree with everything he's doing.
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Because the whole premise of Twitter at the beginning, right? Dan, you remember this? It was like, wait a minute, I could talk to Shaq? Like, that was the whole point of Twitter. And now it's you can actually affect change in the government.
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And I want to play a bit of sound from Mark Moore about this topic because, of course, while all of this is the nightmare that anybody who's on this stupid platform, of course, would have, he has, I think, a realist's appreciation for it.
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I think the answer is definitively yes to every question you just asked.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Which is to say that in this 65-degree cavern that is unbelievably massive, somewhere in there, there is a reel of George Costanza declaring, celebrating.
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But again, I should clarify this. There's a lot going on here. The U.S. government, again, does not actually own Subtropolis.
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Yes, this is the original owner of the Kansas City Chiefs, Lamar Hunt, whose descendant now is the owner of the Chiefs, Clark Hunt. This is a royal family of football.
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Yeah, always holding up the Lombardi trophy at the end. This is that family. Exactly. All of which is why I immediately approved one of the more insane expense reports among many, many absurd expense reports I've approved on this show. To send you to Subtropolis, visit the Kansas City Chiefs underground city cheese cave thing.
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Right. So this part, I want to take a beat because this is when it got startling to find all of this out. Because the email that you got from the Hunt corporate communications guy, who was very familiar with all of these viral TikTok videos, perhaps unsurprisingly now, said this, quote, The cheese thing is not true. End quote.
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So again, there was government cheese in at least some of these caves. But they're not there anymore, and government cheese caves were actually never quite a thing. So what happened to the billions of dollars and billions of pounds of cheese that Ronald Reagan discovered when he took office that the United States had been stockpiling this entire time?
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Right. This welfare program originally for dairy farmers became, under Ronald Reagan, an actual welfare program for the poor people, the needy people in America, which is stunning on so many different levels.
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The logical conclusion here, though... seems to be that because there is no government cheese anymore, because there are no government cheese caves anymore, that the theory we started this with, Cupcake the Destroyer 21's theory, which has been viewed again and shared by millions of people by now across media, it has been pulled apart. as it were.
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The government, our elected officials, did not actually create stuffed crust pizza in order to justify and get rid of all of the surplus cheese because Ronald Reagan had already gotten rid of it by being forced into a weird form of charity.
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If we're going to be here for this long and doing this, I'm going to make a call of my own, David Gardner.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Hi, this is Pablo Torre. And I would like to order a, yeah, I guess one large, extra large. One large stuffed crust pizza, please. So as I wait for my reporting to bake, the whole government cheese theory obviously has melted by now. But the original takeaway here from Cupcake the Destroyer 21, that the government is why we have stuffed crust pizza, you're telling me is still holding firm.
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Right after this ad.
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So just to translate our Pulitzer Prize-winning friend here, what Michael Moss is telling us is that there is something known as Dairy Management Incorporated. It is a promotional organization for the dairy industry, but it is supervised by the government.
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And this sort of pseudo-governmental agency, Dairy Management Incorporated, was skimming, as it were, off the top of dairy sales, taking money from the dairy farmers, David, to pay for advertising that the government effectively oversaw to help sell cheese.
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Where are we now? When was DMI founded? DMI came to be in 1995. Right. Okay. So 1995, the government, again, the credit of Cupping the Destroyer 21 and her theory, they actually were influencing the dairy industry because they were using these ads that they were controlling to sell more cheese to us. That's right.
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And so now we're getting warmer, right? We're getting closer to the center of this thing, the GUI center. We're talking about the government helping invent in a laboratory new cheese products. And so what restaurant chains are we talking about?
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Of course. I mean, this is, you know, we all know taco with cheese actually inside of the shell. It's a brilliant innovation, admittedly.
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Embedded in Taco Bell.
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Again, for anybody who says we're not a sports show. That was James Harden. I just found out that James Harden was part of a government op to sell quesalupas.
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So this video by the aforementioned Cupcake the Destroyer 21 It's been viewed more than 10.5 million times, David Gardner. And she's saying a lot here, right? So just to run through the beats of her case, lobbyists begged the US government to save the dairy industry.
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I just want to clarify that DMI and all of these cheesy experiments and these product inventions, they are classified as part of the U.S. government? Formally? Like, I want to be also just careful here. Like, this is actually government work.
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The whole relationship between DMI and the Agriculture Department and what it's technically then classified as, it makes me think that, yes, the answer is this is the government.
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Right, we're talking about these taxes that are levied on, in this case, for us dairy farmers, like whether they want it or not, right? The pseudo-governmental agency we're describing is basically saying, we know how to help you move all of this cheese you're trying to sell better, in fact, than you do. We're going to take care of it.
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Which is to say that the government is actively creating the foods. It's also telling us not to eat because it's bad for us.
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Right. This actually relates to another theory that I have, which is that exterminators can never be too good at exterminating. You need repeat customers.
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This is kind of like the Kansas City Chiefs bragging about drafting Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones and Trent McDuffie. I mean, look, the front office here is strong.
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Right, okay. So now that we know that DMI is at least partially this arm of the government in this way, the Supreme Court, in fact, allowed them to do so, to get into the lab, create all of this stuff. But as we order these products on Sunday, right, on Super Bowl Sunday, we now return to the biggest allegation of them all, David.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I mean, that's pretty good.
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Wait, this was the man in the lab originally, and that lab, again, crucially, was not funded by the federal government.
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Right, which means, as Cupcake the Destroyer 21 says,
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Actually incredible logic.
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The crust has always been the afterthought. And of course, and I did not know to say it this way, the most iconic value driver of pizza is in fact cheese. He has a great point.
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We're going to drive the shit out of the value in this crust.
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So the timeline here then is clear, right? You found the inventor of stuffed crust pizza. And by the way, Tom has an amazing silver fox like mullet mane thing going on. An underrated character in the history of American innovation. But his innovation happened before the government embedded the food scientists we've been talking about with the pizza companies, with these chains.
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And therefore, Cupcake the Destroyer 21's original theory that... The government is why we have stuffed crust pizza.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Right. I mean, there was a Netflix documentary series in which this was rather dramatically, I dare say, reenacted.
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Thank you.
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So I just need people to understand, if they're wondering why it is that we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out, which is obviously a sports show, are taking on this story now. The Super Bowl happens to be the holiday, I think, that is most associated... with cheese. There is no cheesier day in America than Super Bowl Sunday, David.
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And there is this statistic that I want to cite here as well from the dairy farmers of Wisconsin, who recently estimated that we Americans eat more than 20 million pounds of cheese during our Super Bowl parties.
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Now, I'm a Pizza Hut guy by birth, really. I remember vividly being a kid going to Pizza Hut when they started selling stuffed crust pizza. And I just want to disclose this journalistically. I f***ing love stuffed crust pizza. I loved this so much that when David Gardner brought me this story, I immediately was like, go to the gooey center.
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Go to the cheese caves, bring us back what feels like a truth that deserves to be told.
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I think I should wear a tinfoil hat next time I'm on, considering my subject matter expertise here. I do want to try and summarize for people not familiar with your work, David Gardner. Thank you for being here, by the way. My pleasure. I want to summarize the beat that you have carved out for us here, because without being derogatory in any way,
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So I should tell you the first time that I remember hearing government cheese was when I was a kid, and it was obviously derogatory, right? It might've been in a TV show as an insult to like, what is this, government cheese?
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So before we just get to the cheese caves and the conspiracy, why and what is government cheese? Do we the people actually own this cheese? Why is the government this interested in dairy at all? Who makes it? I just, I have a zillion questions.
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So in terms of what CupcakeTheDestroyer21 was saying, though, at the start of her video about dairy lobbyists being involved in this, begging the government to save their industry, was that part true?
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I would say that your beat is strangely irresistible and extremely popular crackpot internet theories.
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All right, so the Electoral College is involved in this. There is still the resonance that I sense today of what real America is, but who is the champion of this program?
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And so obviously, Jimmy Carter, rest in peace, by the way, all this converging in a relevance today. He won. He won the election. And so the subsidies he was giving to the farmers of America, the dairy farmers specifically, how big are we talking?
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Yes.
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Right. We, the people, did not demand this much milk, this much dairy. The government did. The government artificially propped up the milk market, is what we're learning, with our money, with public money. But also, I'm familiar from my childhood with milk expiring, right? So the government's buying all this shit. And how do they store it?
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Yes, I'm one of those people. But we're fast-forwarding now into, what, the 1980s at this point.
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So I was born in 85. This ad that we're playing now is from 87. And I just remember there being lots of ads like this. These ads were from the National Dairy Board. All of them bizarrely selling me and my family generically cheese. And that was confusing then. It's still kind of confusing right now. There was no actual specific company, it felt like.
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So going back to Cupcake the Destroyer 21's theory, which is about where all of this government cheese is going, which again is absent actual demand from us Americans, whose money, public money, is purchasing all of it. It's time to turn to the cheese caves. So what about your quest to find the secret government cheese caves?
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Yeah, we brought big J journalism to the big Aristotle. And now, the strangely irresistible and extraordinarily insane internet theory you brought us that you've spent a disturbingly long time investigating, just in time for Super Bowl Sunday, by the way, originates where?
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The Secretary of Agriculture found out that there was almost 2 billion pounds of processed cheese in these caverns. But I want to clarify what these caverns are, right? So these are non-government caverns, these caves. But what the government realized is that they could use this space, this underground secret space, to store the cheese that they had bought, right?
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So it's not government cheese caves. It's government cheese in these caves.
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And it is my disappointment, I must report, that the Kraft in question is not the same as Bob Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots. As you visualize this, this is not an NFL connection.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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The Chris Cody has aplomb award today goes to Chris Cody.
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It is funny that we're at a point where rank total incompetence can plausibly be a really smart chess move. But Paul's proven to be brilliant in marketing, by the way, on a side note. But when you can't distinguish between intent and incompetence— It's hard to diagnose.
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You just described the show perfectly. There it is. There was an inflection point here though, right? Canelo, to Amin's point, 34 years old, reigning title, all boxing belts are on some level also fake made up things that are corrupted, but holds the WBA, WBC, IBF, super middleweight titles. Legitimate superstar.
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It sounded like that hurt, though.
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And there was a moment here when I heard that fight, the Jake Paul original announcement, like boxing is this is this is again, everybody's been trying to kill boxing for decades. This felt like the latest and maybe one of the biggest indignities because Canelo was turning his back on actual fights he could have made money on. And here, of course, David, is Saudi Arabia. Saving boxing.
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I don't think he's a marketing genius either. I do think he exists in a time that reflects his natural superpower more than any other time that sports has existed in, which is just getting attention for anything is monetizable.
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I just think we need to have a higher bar for what genius is.
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I mean, my view has always been like on the Kardashians. It's like they are playing the game better than anybody else's. The question of does that make them geniuses, I think is a fair debate.
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She went to one of those business school courses that I think maybe Kevin Love went to at once.
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It's the most important and scarcest resource at this point.
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Kids today don't appreciate Sally, Jesse, Raphael. And those glasses. Those glasses.
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That's our Dan. That's our Dan.
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Thank you. Is that a find? The era of 90s daytime talk show hosts. Right.
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I was going to ask, by the way, why is Chris Cody equipped with a Pablo Picasso take? And then I just heard the explanation. Yeah.
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Yes. One of my favorite details, by the way, I mean on the 90s, the golden era of daytime talk show, right? Because keep in mind, Sally Jesse Raphael. Yes. Jerry Springer. Yes. Maury Povich. Yes. Oprah Winfrey. Keep going.
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That's a good question.
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Montel Williams?
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At the top of his game, Maury Povich. Yeah. The king. You are not the father. Former guest. I've been on an episode of Maury.
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Thank you, Miguel. Miguel needs to change his Zoom background at this point.
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Did you get a phobia episode?
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She goes to the back, they always go to the back. Following the camera that follows them. So I talked to Maury about this on the show. It's a really good episode. I'm not just plugging that because I'm here to plug my show. We talked about all of this. What he used to do as a mean is running around the studio.
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What he used to do is, I mean, he would go to the, to the lengths of making sure he pronounced every child whose paternity in question, their name correctly. He would, he was, he was a, Maury Povich, his dad, Shirley Povich, legendary sports writer, he's in the sports media coaching tree.
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Cortez had an Andy Ellsberg framed photo we revealed on the show yesterday. And Willow's here. And David is gathering his stuff.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
My favorite thing, Amin, that Maury told me was that even though he and Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer, by the way, the late, great Jerry Springer, Maury Povich still with us, still going strong. What Maury told me is that Maury Povich still checks the ratings. to see whose rerun is beating the other. He's still taking pride in beating Jerry Springer. Well, one of them is no longer with us.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
The question, though, of ratings and why we should admire our Dan... is because as Chris Hayes points out in this book as well, the easiest thing to do now, getting back to the genius conversation, is to grab attention. The hardest thing to do is hold it.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
So if you've been listening to us this week, if you listened to Dan this week, four hours a day, just know that you are paying the ultimate compliment to our Dan. You are here for the long haul. It's the whole thing. I mean, you know those guys who go to like South Korea and they cause a scene? That guy? Yes.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
Somali something. The point being, he basically yells fire in a crowded theater. Everybody looks at him and he's grabbed attention. A lot harder is to go into a theater, yell fire or take out whatever. Do whatever you can. Take off your clothes and then say, And now proceed to listen to me for the next two hours.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
So Carl, who just got Willow out of here to save David, has a take about the halftime show, which I hadn't really contemplated.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
You see that, David? It's a thing of beauty, Chris. The take Carl had, though, Jess.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
Which I, look, Carl is, I trust Carl on music.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
I had not considered that Kendrick might not play the song that everybody is waiting for him to play. That he won a Grammy over, right?
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
So the Washington Post did an analysis of this. In parallel, just discovered this now, but it's helpful journalistically speaking to avoid recklessness. They interviewed a guy named Ken White, a First Amendment lawyer and criminal defense attorney. Drake, of course, has already accused Universal Music Group of defamation for promoting the song in question.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
White told the Post this, quote, I would probably tell them that there is a high risk you're going to get sued. So don't do it unless you're ready for a big, expensive litigation. Maybe that's just kind of the cost of doing business.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
It's the only case of me wanting to hear the audience sing a song, a thing I normally hate when going to a concert.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
You know what? I hadn't considered just the escalating indignity of this if this becomes a Supreme Court case. Clarence Thomas is going to decide on this shit? His wife will. If the people who control Clarence Thomas get to decide this case. Look, man, if they teach this class in law school. First Amendment? Constitutionality? If they teach Drake's 2024, 2025 as a case study in law school.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
Why does it mean waving a piece of paper in front of himself?
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
It was circling a drain that you cannot possibly set your feet atop. We're on topics?
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
We are operating at levels that are clearly deeper than the average listener. Kendrick levels.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
And then he changed his mind. Overnight. So it was supposed to be May 3rd in Las Vegas. That was the imminent fight between, super fight between Jake Paul and Canelo Alvarez. But in a stunning development, according to, this is Mike Coppinger at ESPN.com. Alvarez changed course and instead completed a four-fight deal, yeah, with Riyadh's season, of course, going now to Saudi Arabia.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
What a mad lib. What a perfect 2025 mad lib.
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The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?
Yeah, it's the Nancy Pelosi Wakanda Forever thing. It absolutely is.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
But a click being defined, I think, by its desire to hang out with itself and not the other person.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
How many clicks are in this office? There are a couple clicks.
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All of this reminds me of the actual leader of this show, who happens to have been on stage. in New Orleans with another leader of a different show and how all of those clicks have been interacting became a topic on the Dan Patrick show.
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I'll tell you what. Stu Gatz tried to make the night about himself. Stu Gatz? He sure did.
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We're a regular, I mean. Close up of you flushing. We may be very messy when it comes to talking over each other. We are very regular in some deeply deep ways.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Have you guys been jealous, speaking of being left out? Yes. Okay.
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Well, I'm watching. I'm watching Eli Manning not get elected to the Hall of Fame. I'm watching everybody on the big set on Bourbon Street debate these things. I'm watching the NFL honors.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Oh, that's okay. Apologies, we were talking all over each other.
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Hold on. The story briefly on that is interesting, this part. Lamar had been voted first-team All-Pro, and this is seen as the biggest indicator as to who's going to win MVP. He's the best quarterback ever.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Let's give David Sampson the award for beginning to get the show with two hours left in our stay of doing the show.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
I want to talk about voting though, right? It's funny to me. It's funny to me how they're actually important, financially important, culturally, historically important, if you believe sports are culturally important, which I do. Decisions being made by these panels, largely of media. Right. Like there are there are these voting bodies.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
This is the story of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, of the NFL MVP, of the statistic we've been citing all week for Luka Doncic, five time first team, all NBA, all star, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And if you think about those voting bodies, I think an enormous thing that athletes are not doing enough is acting the way corrupt politicians do. going out and getting the vote? Quid pro quo.
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I mean, just like it is actually ripe to be rife with corruption. And it's just funny. It's like there's, I mean, these are sometimes nine-figure decisions.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
We have a lot to get to. I regret giving the steering wheel to David Sampson this early. I apologize for that. We have Dan Patrick and Dan Lebitard, I guess, a retrospective on a thing that just happened. They reflected on this on the microphone that I want to play for you in a bit. We have Willow, Jess's dog, running around, which I love.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Oh, you're talking about another layer of corruption, which is not telling the truth about your corruption. You just take the money and not vote for it. Exactly.
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But I think what David is trying to do, and grounding us to a halt in doing so, is trying to get to the distinction between he's eligible, but the team does not have to sign him to a Supermax, but if they choose to sign him, this is the Lucas story. If they sign him to an extension, it must be with this threshold that is now a raised floor because he's eligible for the Supermax.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Wait, what is it? I forget. What did his head coach sound like?
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So that last clause, right? It gives away the game, David. All of these restrictions, all of these gates on how much you're allowed to pay a player are to help, I mean, in the mind of the owners, it's to help protect the owners from themselves.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Kids these days don't appreciate the hand tuck. David, I wanted to start today with a scoop. I've been trying to find out stuff. Pablo Torre finds out. It's a show where I find out stuff. Where can we find that? You can find it on YouTube, also the DraftKings Network, and also wherever you get your podcasts, incidentally.
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I've been trying to find some stuff out for you guys exclusively, and I have something. I have something. We'll get to New Orleans. We'll get to Kendrick Perkins. Is it breaking news? It is breaking news.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
No, no, no. I am not a mouthpiece for the heat. What's the opposite of a mouthpiece? A cup? Oh, wow. I don't know if we have a butt plug sounder.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
We've been playing it all week. That's music?
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That's music. It's a good song. Breaking news. Exclusively reported by Pablo Torre Finds Out and the Dan Lebitard Show for the week of February 7th or whatever it is today. Kevin Love isn't running his Instagram account. No.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
So for those unfamiliar, Kevin Love is taking the internet by storm. He's posting memes. He's been chronicling the Jimmy Butler saga. The entire time. And we've been praising it for being... Creative. Creative, bold, you know, unapologetic, messy. Funny.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Yeah, so... He's not... Okay. I was waiting for you. It's beginning to hurt. For the audio audience, it's beginning to hurt. It'll get better. Kevin Love's got a guy. Kevin Love has got a guy. And Kevin Love, I... Does any of this shock you? Does it disappoint you guys? Because to me, I mean... You said shock. Yeah. It can be shocking.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
To me, I was trying to get aggregated, and now I'm just going to get aggregated for a butt plug sound.
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The most generous defense of Kevin Love is the one that Chris just made. And I don't believe that is the case. I mean, I'm sure he... co-signs it. Has approval. Has approval of it. But it's funny, right? Here you have an account that has made a very messy, dramatic thing that has disappointed cardboard Pat Riley. And it has been praised, Kevin Love's thing, as being subversive.
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And in fact, it feels like it's not his account, and also the Heat are kind of in favor of it, I am also told.
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Do you know who is posting? I cannot say that. Oh, here we are again. It's a mini scoop.
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So not to sound like Dick Cheney proving a negative, I know it's not him. Okay, so you don't know the identity? Pablo, could you stop? Why are you trying to find out about me? I'm trying to help you guys find out about something else.
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I believe it's a person. Okay. Sources close to the sources close to the situation report that it is one person.
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Is Jeremy Taché the funniest person to be shadow operating Antonio Brown's Twitter account? Oh, I thought they meant Kevin Luff.
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And he rested on Saturday. I don't know if we'll have time for awards again today because we've got to do other stuff. I am just continually impressed by just the vibes Roy has been bringing this week.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
We already know. Yeah. By the way, speaking of awards, and by the way, just to rest the case, this was not a joke. Kevin Love actually is not running his Instagram account. This is a thing across, I mean, what... The number of guys who are not actually who they say they are, which is to say themselves on the internet, we should just not assume anything at this point about that.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
So I tried to start with good vibes. Just wondering whether they will. David whispered to me during the SNL open of your guys' program that we're not in it.
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And the exception who proves that rule, of course, is Kevin Durant. And I want to get to this story, right? So we'll get to New Orleans again. We'll get to the Dan's. We'll get to their awards. They love awards even more than we do somehow in New Orleans right now with the NFL. But Kendrick Perkins, God bless him.
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God bless Kendrick Perkins and the oxygen that his massive lungs have been sucking out of the room that the NFL tends to own. Do we have that tweet? Can we show that tweet? Video team, this is me filibustering. And play. What? It's not a video? It's just text that I have to memorize? Great. You just talk, and we'll put it up when we get it. Very good.
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So Kendrick Perkins went on ESPN in front of Bob Myers and said something that caused Kevin Durant to retort. It's easy to get Kevin Durant to retort. Well, to Amin's point, absolutely. He loves to retort. Kendrick Perkins had made the claim, though, that the true leader... in Oklahoma City on that Thunder team where it was him and Russell Westbrook and James Harden was Kendrick Perkins.
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And Kevin Durant said something in response that I would like to show the audience.
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I'm going to miss you guys.
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What Kevin Durant said in response to Kendrick Perkins saying, quote, it doesn't mean your best player is your leader. When I was with the Thunder, it wasn't Katie. It wasn't Russ. It wasn't James. I was the one leading and quote, Katie quotes, quote, tweets this and says, I know this may be a reach, but this comment is by far the craziest shit I've seen this week. And he sees some crazy shit.
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And him not being traded. Him also being traded and then not. Thank you, video team. I want to get to what it means to be a leader, though. Right? Like you guys, Amin and David, you both worked inside of these pro sports franchises. Is this ridiculous? Is this actually crazy to contemplate that someone like Kendrick Perkins would be actually ahead of Kevin Durant in the leadership power rankings?
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Chris whispered to me while Amin was talking, and he said, sorry I was late with that sound. I was trying to workshop a Kendrick Perkins impression.
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I mean, his problem is that he's running accounts that aren't labeled as him. He runs his account and burner accounts? That was the whole thing. I didn't know that story. So David knows nothing about social media, and I mean that not even insultingly.
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We saw it just this morning, what David should be doing in the montage, which is running as far as possible from your dog. You sure you're going to miss this?
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A billion years later, we got Young Sheldon. Bazinga. I think leadership, though, generally speaking, is an interesting topic. I think it is. It's overrated.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
Hold on, put it on the poll. Are we doing polls still? Sure. Can there be a two-person clique?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I find it hard to disagree with Wyatt's fundamental point, but I also deeply value him as an important part of the exploratory committee.
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Which is like the guy who's going to actually... The hostage in the exploratory committee? The hostage slash opposition opinionist who's going to establish that the research that we are presenting should be viewed with a healthy dose of what Wyatt, I believe, expressed as bulls**t.
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All we have are two bottles of Remy Martin and a hat. Yeah, I'll take some of this. We might need to dip into the reserves early.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But the thing that kickstarted this whole enterprise truly is that there was this single throwaway question in a McLaughlin poll in January that went viral immediately because it gave Stephen A. Smith, why it's an act's favorite person, a 2% chance as a wild card against the field of 15 other potential candidates for the 2028 Democratic primary.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And Stephen A. goes on Hannity and he says he had no business being on that list. He did not. And so we wanted to actually fact check this. Like, okay, that's one throwaway line in a poll. What if we committed... Actual time to try and do an exclusive Pablo Torre finds out first of its kind political poll.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
To Wyatt's point, polling as an instrument Flawed, limited, right? There's an epistemological question of like chicken or egg. Is this real because you asked about it or is this real because someone felt a way about it when you asked them about it?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
So all of that is a very useful, both qualitative and quantitative context for the fact that we commissioned a legitimate survey with Rasmussen of 1,021 likely American voters. with dozens of questions conducted over two days online and by phone. Basic demographics of the survey, 52% women, 33% Democratic, 35% Republican, 32% unaffiliated.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And Rasmussen, Tim, you know, again, it's a public opinion firm that is a thing. It's a real thing. Rasmussen is a legitimate polling operation. Can we dive into these crosstabs?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Chart number one. We asked a survey of 1,021 likely American voters, who would you consider a stronger Democratic candidate for president? Hillary Clinton in 2016 got 36%. Stephen A. Smith in 2028 got 34%. Not sure. Coming in strong with 30%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Which led to Stephen A. Smith going on first take and escalating all of this by saying this.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
The guy who went to the pool before the debate. Again, I'm with Tim on this. Chart number three. Narrowing the poll now to 654 likely Democratic primary voters. Marja Vera now up to 4%. If the 2028 Democratic primary were held today, who would you vote for? Kamala Harris coming in at 45%. Stephen A. Smith coming in at 24%. Others, 17%. Wouldn't vote, 6%. Not sure, 9%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And so this is a head-to-head matchup between Kamala Harris.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Chart number four. Another head-to-head in the primary. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 32%. Stephen A. Smith, 28%. Other, 18%. Wouldn't vote, 7%. Not sure, 15%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
This is where in the crosstabs I was like, okay, this is getting a little dark.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I never really brought up. And so this is where I need to start today before we get into our packet of research because the question that is embedded in what Stephen A's take was there was obviously explosive. It got aggregated. There's a community note over on X and the community note said this, quote, this is incorrect.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But AOC, just in the crosstabs of this, did have a net favorable rating from the people polled. So not simply people who are predisposed to not like the left, but moderates who actually did see value in her.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Although in this case, 32 to 28 is right at the margin of error of 4%, which again is where my brain was like, okay, well, what about to Wyatt's point though, about a more, let's say deliberately moderate positioned candidate like Gavin Newsom, Chart five, head-to-head, Gavin Newsom, 31%. Stephen A., 28%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
This is, I think, something like a bigger reveal. This is a head-to-head matchup for the White House. Okay, 2028 presidential election. In a legit political poll, the Rasmussen reports, Pablo Torre finds out survey more than 1,000 likely American voters with a margin of error of 3%. If the 2028 presidential election were held today, who would you vote for? J.D. Vance, 38%. Stephen A. Smith, 34%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And as a person who worked in politics, Tim, this result indicates what to you?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
LeBron was in attendance, according to the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and Entertainment Tonight. They all list James as among the attendees at the memorial. LeBron James requested to not be filmed at the memorial. And Stephen A. Smith, during the show, apologized on air and also on Twitter, saying that he misspoke. Can I just ask, what is even the theory?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Stephen A. Smith.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I believe he has been Stephen A. Smith for decades now.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But what if that potato also loved to post? Yeah. Really loved the post. It's like arguing with people on text all the time.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
It is disturbing to be on and constantly refreshing the platform that J.D. Vance in a somewhere out there sort of scenario is also scrolling and refreshing at the same exact time. That's worrisome to me. But I think the point, the takeaway point is what if it was Trump without any of the charisma and also he wasn't funny and also he wasn't even vaguely entertaining.
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I think truly like part of the appeal of Stephen A, just to now get into why some might be at all energized. I think there is the part of it that is like we are on a desert island, like in a cartoon, and you see something and you're like, that's a steak. and it's not a steak, it's a coconut, but you're so hungry that you're like, that looks like the greatest meal I've ever had.
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And there is just like that dysmorphia around who and what Stephen A is actually. And then there's the added desperation and hunger for someone to just get into a debate To own these guys. And f***ing just go after them in the way that we impotently watched the guy who went to the pool. Yeah, passed out. Go to bed instead of getting in the ring. Yeah.
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And I think we just want a champion who will go into a televised debate and take some big swings.
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To quote Batman, I believe.
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This was kind of a state funeral. In the world of politics, have you ever been to a state funeral of any kind?
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I do just want to express, as somebody who has worked with Stephen A. Smith and has been in sports for a very long time, it is insane how plausible... all of this conversation is. It is very disturbing to me, truly, that the people of our country, Wyatt, might want to just buy a vowel, and the vowel is A. Stephen A., winning by 28% in this head-to-head matchup with J.D.
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Vance among Black voters, winning by 12% among moderates, losing by only 2% among independents. And I'll just speed through chart number seven, which is that if Stephen A were to run as an independent in a three-way matchup, now we're looking at a bit of a problem for Mr. A. Smith. J.D. Vance, Republican, 40%. Kamala Harris, Democrat, 37%. Stephen A. Smith, independent, 11%.
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And the head pollster at Rasmussen, Mark Mitchell, tells us that, quote, he's not a spoiler. is what we're learning from these numbers. He was taking equally from both J.D. Vance and Kamala Harris. Again, speaking to the more moderate, centrist-style candidate.
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Thank you.
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Yeah. Have you ever been to an A-list funeral, Wyatt? No, I just go to the after parties. Yeah. This A-list service, to be very clear, LeBron's attendance at the memorial service turned out to be a subject, according to a high-level source that is close to the Lakers. Quote, a topic that people throughout the Lakers organization, top to bottom, have been grousing about for years.
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You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. We have paperwork in front of us. Tim Miller, Wyatt Cenac, reuniting. Not an expert panel, but almost like an exploratory committee. Yeah, an exploratory committee. That's a term of art in politics, isn't it, Tim?
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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LeBron James to put us back in January of 2020, right? So the tragedy happens. And LeBron James in public, he really did take the lead on being a spokesperson. He spoke up at a team meeting reportedly saying, quote, God gave me wide shoulders for a reason. He got a tattoo of Kobe Bryant, the Mamba, posted on Instagram.
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And then before the Lakers' first home game after the crash, he tossed his notes aside and gave a speech at center court.
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At the end of every episode of Pobletory Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out and also torturing Wyatt Cenac and making him question his friendship with me. What did we find out today, guys?
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Yeah, yeah. Wyatt, what did you find out today?
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What I really found out today is that Wyatt Cenac is the new campaign manager for Other Not Sure. Other Not Sure 2028. Put it on a t-shirt. Thank you both for doing this. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren.
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Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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And then he even dunked like Kobe Bryant, and he equated the dunk to the Marlon Wayans classic, The Sixth Man, by saying, quote, And he even referenced the upcoming memorial himself. And so what I wanted to do was just take a fact-based approach to this question, Tim and Wyatt.
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And so what we did here, if Pablo Torre finds out, was talk to eight sources who are directly familiar with this situation to get to the bottom of a mystery that has been hiding, allegedly, in plain sight. I'm fascinated. I'm waiting with bated breath to see what's the result.
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So... This memorial service, it was Lakers executives, the producers of the Grammy Awards. It was Vanessa Bryant, Kobe's widow, Gigi's mother, all of these people in this planning group creating a live, televised memorial at Staples Center in the arena itself.
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That was intended, again, to be both very personal, but also incomparable in how A-list and exclusive and produced the whole spectacle was going to be. It was February 24th, 2020. which happens to have been the day my daughter was born. So Violet came into the world. I missed all of this. You didn't have the memorial on in the hospital? Second screen.
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Yeah, it was the view of my wife's birth canal and then Michael Jordan crying. Yeah, that would have been good Instagram content. And I'm just investigating these claims to be very, very clear on a purely factual basis. Like, I'm not here to talk about motives.
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But claim number one, there's a video of Diana Taurasi, who spoke at the memorial, UConn basketball star, one of the great women's basketball players ever. And she told a joke while complimenting 11-year-old Gigi Bryant and her level of skill. And it sounded like this.
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Is this a roast? Which is a pretty good joke. A pretty bold joke from Taurasi, from the goat. And she does, by the way, gesture off-screen left. But what we did, of course, was look at multiple angles of the broadcast of that very direction at various points in the broadcast. And... No LeBron James. You see Pau Gasol. James Worthy. James Worthy, that's right. James Worthy, your source. Kuz.
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Kuz is not what I'm saying. Kuz is out there. Kuz is wearing the big sunglasses. Oh, wow. Is he also wearing those super long sleeves? I like to think that his black tie was super long sleeves as well.
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No visible LeBron at all in the photography. And then what I did was confirm with multiple sources that Diana Taurasi never saw LeBron James at the memorial that day. So she, this person held up as the proof, did not see LeBron that day. So claim number two. And LeBron James was there, but he chose to be left off camera.
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And what we did was we talked to a lead producer on the memorial, a longtime award show producer named Ron Basile. Ron Basile helped coordinate everything from Beyonce's 6.40 a.m. soundcheck to Michael Jordan's eulogy. And the producer told us when we asked him about any directive from LeBron James about having him on camera, quote, The off-camera thing is bullsh**. End quote.
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And so I want to be careful here, but he wasn't stage left. He wasn't off-camera. And we can further tell you that according to two additional independent high-level sources involved in the planning of this whole event who were in attendance, what they tell us here, Pablo Torre finds out, is that they did not see LeBron in the building.
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They don't know of a single person who did see him in the building. And one of the people who did not see LeBron at all that day was, in fact, Lakers owner Jeannie Buss. So, as one of the sources who spent that morning in the event's VIP areas says of LeBron, quote, "'There's no f***ing way he was there. If he was there, he was Casper the Ghost.'" End quote.
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My personal belief, by the way, is that I don't care how anyone chooses to grieve at all. But LeBron James, the face of the Lakers who got the tattoo, gave the speech at center court, threw away his notes, was the face of mourning for this person. What LeBron did not do was what LeBron himself had chosen to do in the weeks before. LeBron did not take center stage at all.
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And multiple high-level sources told us that LeBron was not invited to speak at Kobe's memorial. We had a third source involved in the planning of this. Go back to an early wish list of speakers and performers. This was shared between the Lakers, Vanessa Bryant, event producers. And as this third source puts it, quote, he's not on the list. Vanessa's on all these emails. It wasn't just the Lakers.
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And Wyatt, I do want to just establish the following question. Have you been following this feud between Stephen A. Smith and LeBron James?
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It was a family thing. There was a lot of emotion. The word LeBron isn't even in here. We did reach out to LeBron's camp and they did not comment, which is totally fair. They also wanted to make clear that they're not talking about anything that has to do with Stephen A. Smith. But LeBron's agent, Rich Paul, told Stephen A. Smith himself at the time that LeBron was, quote, in his own space.
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a very carefully worded answer for was LeBron at the memorial service. And LeBron was asked for comment at Lakers practice by ESPN's David Meneman the day after the memorial. And LeBron's answer is conveniently on tape.
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So in that answer, you heard what?
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That's where it was left for roughly five years until I realized that this would be a thing that no one had actually followed up on satisfactorily. And by the way, what I want to make very clear is that I don't think that LeBron was obligated to do anything. There is stuff under the surface here that I can't...
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Is that right?
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It is. It's genuine. It is Kremlinology. It is. What are people not saying but clearly feeling? What are the power dynamics and incentives at play? And why won't Tim Miller f***ing return my calls?
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All of which is to say that when I'm trying to get the answer to that question, we were also conducting a legitimate political poll about whether one of the people involved in this would be a legitimate candidate for president of the United States.
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These packets in front of us are the results of a truly exhaustive attempt relative to the just pure speculation that is surrounded whether Stephen A. Smith is actually going to do the thing that he's been talking about for months now and actually run for president. No.
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Welcome to the exploratory committee, Wyatt Zanac. You didn't know you were joining it, but you are absolutely part of it. No, but that's also bullshit.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today, you're going to find out what this sound is.
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Wait a minute.
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Hold on. Cam was third string in terms of people from the Bynum family?
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How many people in this family can backflip?
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So all of this is feeling like, again, in retrospect, this is all making sense. But how long does it take you to actually propose?
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So this plan, the plan of, okay, within nine months— I'm proposing. You don't, as far as I know, you did not actually live in Dubai.
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How does this all work?
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And I wanted to tell the story of his wife, Lane. And that was even outside of the fact that we all happen to be members of the same karaoke loving, pork roasting, Southeast Asian diaspora.
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The proposal itself feels like Ocean's Eleven. Like a bank heist. Yes, yes. Okay, so walk me through the steps here, because it's about as elaborate a routine as I've ever seen.
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Did you know that he had gotten the marriage counselor in on this plan?
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You're doing this during the NFL season. During an NFL season. From the United States to the Philippines. Yes.
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The crazy part is that you taped yourself basically being like, this is how I'm going to rob this bank. Yes. I'm going to walk up these steps. Yeah. You did provide evidence. I did. I did.
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And so when I caught wind of a party being planned for the Pivotal Lions-Vikings game, which took place nine days ago in the middle of October, which you should also know happens to be Filipino American History Month, I wanted to visit with the 26-year-old starting safety for the Vikings in person.
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Yeah, he did to you what he does to quarterbacks. He's disguising his coverage. He's being deeply dishonest, and then he's picking you off.
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She says yes, and you become husband and wife. The problem being that she had never been to the United States at this point. Right, right.
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A visa, in fact, is a document that allows a foreign citizen to enter the United States for a specific purpose. And visas are notoriously difficult to get. At this point, for instance, Lane Bynum had applied and been denied three separate times over almost two years, twice for a tourist visa and once for a spousal visa.
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And this was with no real clarity, she says, on what she could do differently to get it accepted or how long it would even take. And none of that. is particularly uncommon.
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I wanted to find out what that specific Sunday in Minneapolis looked and smelled and sounded like myself. I just need you to understand how surreal it was for me to be in a section of like roughly a hundred Filipinos. That's crazy. Watching a Filipino American NFL player during Filipino American History Month. Right. In Minnesota. Right. And just basically being surrounded by like
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I didn't fully appreciate how much of a problem this would be for you when I first heard about this story. Right.
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But I want to explain the moment in which I realized that you were a story that I wanted to find out more about.
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You have the game of your life. On Monday Night Football, on national television, against the Niners, you pick off Brock Purdy the first time.
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But the second pick is the thing that basically wins the game. That's the game winner.
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And so your opportunity with Tom Pelissero at the NFL Network post-game, it's time. It's time for you to pay off this plan.
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It's a topic in the news all of the time now. Immigrants, do they deserve to be here? There was an article in the Minnesota Star Tribune where The executive director of the Immigrant Law Center of Minnesota, her name is Veena Iyer, said, and I'll just read the quote, the issue he is raising is one that so many Americans and green card holders experience every day.
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cousins and titos and titas that I did not know, all of whom are like, yo, I say that Filipinos are like first team all wedding reception.
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Yeah, this is also the Filipino-American experience. Right. It's that difficult. We export people all across the world, and everybody in the end wants to and wishes to be in America. Right. Do you remember when you got the news that, oh, my wife is actually going to get to be in this country with me?
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Lane Bynum had finally been granted a temporary tourist visa. And she and Cam both say that for all the attention that her case had received as a result of Monday Night Football, there was no special expediting of the process, it turned out. And that Lane, right now, is actually still working her way through the system, hoping that her spousal visa will eventually get approved.
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Although one giant hurdle has finally been overcome. Do you remember what it was like for your plane to actually land in the United States of America for the first time in your life?
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Right, like these purple shirts are really popular, it turns out.
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It's interesting, like, that season, 2023, you have a really good year. Yeah. I mean, you lead every defensive back in the NFL in tackles. You're establishing yourself as a really important part of the Minnesota Vikings. You're becoming known locally and now nationally.
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And the thing you want to do, I realize now as I think about this and the chronology of it, is your wife gets to finally be with you in America, but you simultaneously are like, I want to be spending more time in the Philippines.
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I just want to make this very clear to people. No one else does this. True. Nobody lives overseas. You're like, oh, where are you spending the off-season? It's like, oh, I'm in Malibu. I'll go to, you know, Cancun. You're living in the Philippines.
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I just like how you're like the one guy who's like, I love sitting in traffic in Manila.
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It's dancing, it's singing, it's celebrating, it's pointing at things with your mouth. It's, you know, like just trying to call. But just like all of these people together. The title that I think you deserve, having experienced that, is that you are not just one of the best young defensive backs in the NFL. You are the most extra player in the league. I take that.
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So I just got to jump in here quickly to point out that Manila is in fact one of the most congested cities on planet Earth. It is not a beachside resort. And also, if you want to know what kind of couple Cam and Layne Bynum are, you should understand that they spent their honeymoon last year visiting the same typhoon victims who had inspired them to start their Bynum Faith Foundation in 2023.
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The Bynum Faith Foundation is a charitable organization devoted to donating food and rebuilding homes and also teaching the same craft that Cam's own coach back in high school had once taught a fifth string junior varsity defensive back that pretty much nobody believed in. For people who aren't familiar with the Filipino sort of like deal, Basketball, boxing, cockfighting, billiards.
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Yeah, exactly. Football's not on the list, but you're actively holding camps in the cities.
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I didn't know there was football stuff in the Philippines. I didn't know either. I didn't know that the Philippine Tackle Football League was a league. Exactly.
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The sense I got from talking to them pregame was like, they are serious about this.
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You know, I was watching one of the videos you put out from your latest camp.
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Yeah, so I was talking pregame on the field to Josh McCown, who's an old friend of mine, quarterbacks coach for your Minnesota Vikings. And he's like, he's the greatest celebrator I've ever seen. That's a title. And he's played, Josh has played for, I believe, 16 different teams. So he's seen lots of people attempt to do what you've been doing.
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So I do want to go back to what it was like for me to watch this game in that section, and then really like experience the post-game. So for people who are unfamiliar, this was Lions-Vikings. This felt like a preview of the NFC title game, frankly. I'll say it. It was a thriller. Maybe the best division in NFL history, just based on the statistics. And it's tight. It's close.
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You guys lose on a field goal.
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Especially being undefeated and top of it being a divisional rival. Right. And so post-game, all of these Filipinos, the hundred of us, are wondering, is Cam going to, like, stop by? Because you guys hadn't lost all year, and it's like, this sucks, and it's miserable. And can you describe what you saw when you did, in fact, show up?
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Yeah, I mean, to be clear, the reason I wanted to come visit you and fly from New York to Minnesota was because I also did not imagine this when I was a kid. Right. That scene in Minnesota with, again, a Filipino-American rising star in the league, And then the post game. So I was sitting next to Budava, who was the head of the Phil Minnesotan Association. And he's like, you should stop by.
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We're having a tailgate. Right. And it was at the Philippine Center of Minnesota, a place I did not know again even existed. Exactly. I go out there and I'm like, this is the reason I came. It was beautiful. It was the sun setting. It was the leaves turning. And here are all of these Filipinos in Bynum jerseys. Exactly. With the smell of Filipino food in a place I did not expect to smell it.
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It was genuinely moving.
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Like for you, like doing the worm is like a B minus at this point celebration for you? That's like regular?
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One, two, three. There's, again, just this running theme in this story and in your life of celebration. And here you have people who, again, you're not supposed to feel this way after you lose. Right. You're not supposed to have this kind of a feast. Exactly. I was housing lumpia. I was housing sisig. You know, just like fried pork face. I was eating rice on top of a mailbox at one point.
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I was watching you and I was sort of like seeing you get emotional as, by the way, the mayor of Maplewood was there. I didn't know that you had secretly prepared, well, hold on, did you, how did the mayor of Maplewood know the Parent Trap dance?
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I didn't expect that. I didn't know that we were going to have, I was going to be bearing witness to a declaration, a legal official declaration, that October was going to be, in Minnesota, Filipino American History Month.
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And that also, additionally, quote, the first recorded presence of Filipinos in the continental United States occurred on October 18th, 1587. 1587, when the Luzones Indios came ashore from the Spanish galleon Nuestra Senora de Esperanza and landed at what is now Morro Bay, California. See, I didn't know. We both found some shit out that day.
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Turns out we've been here a long time, Ken. Right.
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Yes, we all wanted you guys to win, right? That's obvious and clear. For sure. But in terms of what it proved, to be able to celebrate like that after a defeat, it sort of isolated the variable of like, oh, this is about more than just the Vikings are really good this year, guys. Like we know that now, it's true.
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But it felt strangely like the culmination of your story in a way that you could not have planned actually. Like the payoff of this, like you wouldn't script, you didn't script it like this. That part of it, in its own way, made it that much more profound.
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And so you brought it up, so I'll be the millionth Filipino person to be like, I have an idea for a celebration. Okay. You familiar with the national dance of the Philippines?
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So for people who don't know, Tina Kling is basically a double dutch with bamboo poles. Yes. So you have people jumping in and out, except two friends on either side are banging bamboo sticks. Yes, yeah, exactly, exactly. I feel like you can pull that off.
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All right. Who are we calling out? Is it Harrison?
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Josh and Harrison. Where's the camera? Which camera are we looking into? Let's go this one. This one? Right there? Perfect. I see both of us pointing at Josh and Harrison. Learn how to bang bamboo poles on the ground so this man can fulfill his ethnic destiny.
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Granted, that city is mostly made of pork.
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Cambino, happy Filipino American History Month. Same to you. It's been a pleasure, man. Appreciate you for everything.
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the case of you in London against Aaron Rodgers, you evoked a literal movie.
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For people who are not watching us and just listening, you should know that something very important is happening.
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So the levels to getting Lindsay Lohan to appreciate that you were pulling off the multi-part Parent Trap dance.
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and actually executing the handshake. It's absurd to be like, I'm going to be ready just in case I pick off Aaron Rodgers. Oh, I knew it was going to happen.
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What's the math on fumble recovery at Lambeau week before that against the Packers? Because you hit a casual backflip.
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I was going to say, I was about to hold you to account. You were just ready, though.
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We have taken our shoes off, left them at the door, because this is about to be the most Filipino-American interview in sports history.
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The week before that, it's the Texans game. Yeah.
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Oh, but I mean, it's the glitch dance into his own hoppy moonwalk.
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I do not understand how you did it, still.
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I do realize in my exhaustive research that you did practice at home. Yes. And taped yourself. For months. Months.
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The takeaway from everything we just said is not, for me, this Filipino-American cannot dance.
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You have an approach to joy and celebration like a bank robber.
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Like you're casing out the joint. You're like, okay, here's steps one through 25. This is it.
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Yeah, I'm noticing this is a bit of a through line in your life. That you are ready to be extraordinarily extra at all times.
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So it's probably worth observing here that Cam Bynum, at around six feet tall, 200 or so pounds, is far from the biggest or strongest or fastest athlete in the league. but he did have more tackles than any defensive back in the NFL last season. And to truly understand the reputation of a safety like this, you should probably hear from a very specific demographic, wide receivers.
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We're going to discuss many things of global importance. I don't know if there'll be a more important one than it's gross that you Americans don't take your shoes off when you get home.
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As this clip of Detroit's Amon Ross St. Brown interviewing Chicago's DJ Moore might indicate.
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But the thing that made Cam himself feel that way happened back when he got to college at Cal Berkeley as a cornerback. And he realized that his real childhood dream, a dream shared by many young Asian-Americans, was not going to go as planned. Which I, of course, could very personally relate to.
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I do want to establish for people who are not in the room with us that you've invited me into your home, and this is a special occasion. So sincerely, thanks for letting us, you know, set all this junk up.
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That's incredible. That's bad. That is... That made my life stressful. That feels like you shouldn't be here talking to me.
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I was going to say, the kid who wants to do the doctor thing is not the kid who's lazy. At all. It was just tough. My parents are doctors. I show up, go to like intro to biology. And I get the syllabus. I look at the syllabus. I look around the room and I'm like, I'm never going to come back to this class.
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And I pulled the parachute cord way before you did, it turns out.
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So I want to get to your theory of talent, though, right? Because what you learned in college when you pivoted away from pre-med you ended up sort of understanding even your own sort of like life story in football a bit more. Which is to say that by your own estimation, it doesn't sound like you were, I mean, you were fast, you were strong, but you weren't the fastest or the strongest.
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And it sounds like you taught yourself technique.
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Fifth string on JV is basically not on the team.
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I didn't realize this. Yeah.
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This guy sucked, and now he doesn't suck anymore.
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I mean, you do realize that your approach to celebrating has also been your approach to learning how to play football. Exactly.
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Surprising to people when it pays off.
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You know, when you go to the NFL and the Vikings take you in the fourth round, and they switch you, right? You were a cornerback, a cow. Yeah. You're a safety now. It sounds like, yeah, a safety is not just a technician, but also kind of a choreographer.
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So... If you're studying choreography in this sense, and you're also like there to sort of scan the field and make sure you're aware that your eyes are always moving, I'm curious how you scouted your wife.
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It's not easy to meet with an NFL player like this in the middle of their season, but Cam Bynum, as you'll see, isn't most NFL players. I had first met Cam back in New York City in May, and I had no idea at the time that the 5-2 Vikings would turn out to be this good. But what I did know as of a year ago, almost exactly actually, is that I wanted to tell Cam's story.
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How does this bring us to that moment?
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What do you remember about him showing up to watch you dance?
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Well, the fight that they really are waging is in Washington, D.C., The president of the NCAA now is a guy named Charlie Baker, who used to be himself a politician. And he was chosen because he was seen to be better at the art of retail politics.
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Let's call it glad handing senators going to Congress and making an argument that actually what the NCAA needs to save college sports as you love them is an antitrust exemption.
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That is the Hail Mary, and I use that knowing all of the... What that means in the sports context, but in case you don't know, it means you're fucked and you have one last hope. And that last hope is allow college sports to regulate itself free from the regulations of government. You know, we don't need to act.
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What they're arguing is we should be treated as special, not as a normal business, but as a civic institution with priorities and principles that are so important that we should be able to operate effectively as a monopoly.
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Which is, of course, a funny thing to have to admit, finally, but they realize that that's the only hope left to prevent what is coming to them, which is capitalism tearing apart the principles and practices that they always claimed were sacred.
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Yeah, if the NCAA gets this Hail Mary to pass, which is the antitrust exemption, they would be allowed to dictate what amount of their revenue they want to share with athletes. They would allow...
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they would be allowed to have these players still be called student athletes, which means, by the way, they wouldn't be employees, which means, by the way, that they wouldn't have the rights that workers in America would otherwise get.
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And, you know, beyond that, I think they're still figuring it out, but they're really trying to say, allow us to dictate the terms of our own existence at a time when their existence is... Obviously in peril.
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So I don't think it would be rolled back because we've gone too far. And because the NCAA has already said that part of what they're willing to cooperate with is the notion of these deals being marketing deals.
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But marketing, Sean, is a half measure, right? It's a radical half measure because money was not allowed to go into players' pockets for the reasons that the NCAA has long argued about them being students and not employees. But the next step, the step that is really the existential crisis is what they call pay-to-play.
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Which means we are paying you because you are a person we want on our team, an employee we want on our team, and you are not paid for your image. You're paid for your performance. And that's the bridge they're trying not to cross. And so NIL could coexist in theory if this antitrust exemption is granted. But it's the bigger threat of pay to play that they're really trying to stave off.
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There is no indication so far that there would be support for this. Again, Congress seems pretty busy these days. I don't know if there is energy politically for it because the NCAA is so universally or near universally disliked. that I don't see this having the juice if you're a politician among any given constituency.
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Everybody, whether it's Alabama, whether it's Ohio, whether it's California, whether it's Florida, everybody, if you ask a college football fan, a college sports fan, has a tale of how the NCAA did them wrong. They don't poll well. And so when you see, by the way, conservative justices at the Supreme Court, like Brett Kavanaugh,
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really pillory the NCAA in the way that you'd imagine the most left-leaning judge would, it's incredibly revealing. There is bipartisan resentment of what the NCAA currently is.
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Yeah. I mean, look, if you're a fan of college sports and you can be a left leaning fan of the University of Alabama, there are lots of them out there. What you are realizing is as much as you believe in your principles of, OK, these kids are employees. Creating billion-dollar products should be paid as such.
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It is, in fact, criminal that they haven't been paid as such for decades now, over a century now. You're all so bummed that, okay, I'm not going to get the sport that I fell in love with. You know, entertainment is not the same as equity. That is something that we're going to have to reckon with if you love college sports.
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And meanwhile, you look across at, you know, who's on the other side of the aisle here and realize, wait a minute. Why is it that I'm in agreement with people that disagree with me on pretty much everything else? And so that's also something that people are going to have to get familiar with.
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There's an athlete, currently a high school prospect, unnamed, apparently getting an $8 million NIL deal.
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If you have the ability to take the long view of this, a longitudinal view of the evolution of college sports from the athlete perspective, you should be concerned, I would argue, that if college sports just becomes the minor leagues only, to a professional version of it, you are going to lose something that makes the product as compelling as it has been for over a century.
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There is something about the sales pitch of these are college students involved in an ancient tribal warfare against the community that also involves the weird, you know, fiction writing professor you had once. And the drunk guy doing a keg stand and all of that, right? You're at a college that is so central to why this has been popular. But at the same time...
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Obviously, the economy of all of this has been yearning to be made free. And so, yes, it is a good thing that you are trending towards college athletes being paid more and more what they are due. But there is a point at which...
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When your worth is also dictated by the demands of an audience, of a fan base that wants you to be a certain thing and not another, and that certain thing happens to be a fictionalized version of what the job of college athlete has always been, you're going to have to reckon with a bunch of people saying, this isn't the TV show I fell in love with.
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Today Explained is back and we're joined by Pablo Torre. The host of Pablo Torre finds out a show that is technically a sports show where I use journalism to solve mysteries, arguably.
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The NCAA, I think, has realized that they've already lost the philosophical argument that allowed the NCAA to regulate pay, which is to say restrict pay. And the argument that has been made literally at the highest court in the land successfully by people who sued the NCAA could not have been clearer.
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Sean, there just aren't many things that both sides of the political aisle agree on anymore. Maybe you hadn't heard America's a divided place. But you have at that Supreme Court in a 9-0 decision in the Alston verdict, as well as in every hearing you can check in on, you have Republicans and Democrats both wondering. The NCAA, what do you do here? And why do you need to be here anymore?
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And so when it comes to what the NCAA is allowing, they're really... They're really fighting for a purpose that doesn't really exist. So when you say, OK, but now the NCAA is allowing Larry Ellison, the billionaire Michigan booster, to be a billionaire Michigan booster on the books this time and fund these $10 million quarterback contracts.
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What they're really doing is saying, OK, I guess we can't stop this. And now we got to be the person who is basically signing off on it. Because that is the closest thing to regulation that they can be is basically rubber stamping as opposed to being sheriffs who are throwing people into the equivalent of college sports jail.