Chuck Todd

Um,

that in itself is a choice uh he certainly has his following um and look i've i'm one of those who knew him friendly you know he's still on my cell phone i don't ever delete people out of my cell phone um i remember being surprised one day uh when i got a call from him going oh i didn't realize we had we had each other's cell phone numbers which we have had uh for years um

And if he thinks this helps get her out of the way for whoever comes next in the MAGA movement.

Check.

Right.

There's a box.

She's unpopular with pretty much everybody at the moment, Democrats and Republicans, and she's – and it may explain – the easiest way to try to save your job in the Trump era is to say you were just following orders, which is what she let out, the interesting Axios report.

One thing he is, is whip smart.

He's savvy and is a fascinating figure.

I didn't do or say anything that wasn't essentially directed to me by Stephen, referring to Stephen Miller or the White House.

Yeah.

But she also fits a few other categories of why if someone's going to get fired, it's going to be her.

I think the question we all have is, does he believe anything he says?

Because it ain't ever going to be Stephen Miller.

Is he become a full-fledged grifter?

Stephen Miller is not blood to Trump, but he might be the closest thing to blood that there is in his political orbit.

Or does he feel as if he was misled, which is part of the story.

I think this is a good one to do in sort of the conservative influencer media space.

I think he views Miller as the... You know, I've always thought Stephen Miller...

Tucker is a pretty good vehicle for that because of the journey he took.