Chuck Todd

On one hand, he's the type of person Trump would make fun of and would mock if Miller wasn't so capable.

I think if you did this with a politician, you'd do it – I think you might do it with Lindsey Graham or Marco Rubio.

And that's his secret sauce.

They went from fanatically critical of Trump –

He's capable.

To, you know, Lindsey is the biggest cheerleader in the Senate, right?

Miller's as smart as anybody in that room, understands the Byzantine structure of the federal government.

He always wants to be seen as that.

And to this day, Trump still doesn't fully trust him.

And nobody's quite sure if Lindsey believes all of that.

And he sort of bizarro Dick Cheney, right?

Dick Cheney was that, which is why Cheney understood how to move government, how to work government, what agencies work, how to manipulate strong work.

Then there's Marco Rubio, who has made, you know, went from making fun of Donald Trump's genitalia to being his chief architect and defender of foreign policy in the second term.

But the point is how to make government – how to bend the will of government in a direction that he wanted to bend it.

I think you could do interesting explorations in a similar vein that Jason did with Tucker.

Yeah.

but there was a principle of what Cheney wanted.

But I think Tucker's a worthy subject.

He certainly had a point of view.

He had a vision for the country.