Chuck Todd

Right.

And, you know, I feel like Milley's become a polarizing figure to some where simply he was just trying to preserve, preserve norms like he didn't do anything outwardly politically.

He was just trying to preserve the apolitical status of the U.S.

uniformed military.

What's your historical analysis as to why Democrats, why many active military veterans just...

a little bit more when it comes to Democratic leadership of the military than Republican leadership of the military.

I hear that.

I know I'm oversimplifying a bit.

Look, I go back.

Look, fact is a majority of veterans voted for Bush over Kerry.

That's true.

Yeah.

You know, but a majority of veterans in the Obama, you know, it was a pretty sizable victory over McCain, but a majority of veterans supported McCain, I believe.

So it's more, you almost, it's almost more where they, it's more of, I always say, we're all born with original bias, literally, where you're born, who you're born to, all of that.

Yeah.

It's not the military itself that pushes veterans to lean right.

It's their own cultural, essentially, formation as a child that makes them lean right.

When you look at the 28 field, you know, it's just it's fascinating to see that essentially we haven't elected a military veteran as president since George H.W.

Bush.

I think some would argue National Guard service with George W. Bush.