Chuck Todd

Will that happen?

Unlikely.

Is that more probable, possible than people realize?

Yes, it is.

She herself has opened that door.

Lisa Murkowski, that is.

So the point is with with Susan Collins, look, what's interesting about the Susan Collins development is the fact that Donald Trump will simultaneously complain about Susan Collins when she votes against him on certain things.

But does not get so angry that he searches for a challenger.

Right.

He found a primary challenger to Murkowski.

Right.

And that's when she ended up running and winning as a write in.

And, you know, there was Tea Party movement.

They've tried to get rid of Murkowski and they have failed.

He's never done that with Susan Collins.

It's almost as if even though there's sort of a mini Trump in that state in Paula Page, the former governor who's running for the what is now an open main second congressional district with Jared Golden not seeking reelection.

And yet that is never that is it is it it's fascinating that Republicans in the Senate on the campaign side of things, Tim Scott, John Thune in particular, have been able to get him to be pragmatic about Susan Collins.

But really nowhere else does he get this pragmatic.

Right.

He has not been this pragmatic in Louisiana.