Chuck Todd

And you might have, you might have a, uh, um,

a stronger leg to stand on when you accuse the other side of not being interested in these in these issues.

All right.

I'm going to put a pin in there.

So I just like I said, I had a potpourri of campaign stuff that I thought was worthy of a bit of chewing over for a few minutes with you guys.

But now I'm sneaking a break in my conversation with John Conyers, the third on his book that is

about his father, the legendary Congressman from Michigan of the civil rights era, but as much about the culture of growing up in a political world and sort of at birth being given a name that suddenly makes you think you already have your career path in front of you.

Like I said, it's an interesting and candid conversation.

I think you'll enjoy it.

I'll see you on the other side.

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