Chuck Todd

And I thought, well, that'll be an interesting talking point in a hypothetical campaign and say the state of New Hampshire.

What we know for sure, and I think this has now been more likely than we, you know, I just think now the Swalwell thing triggered it.

Here's the bottom line.

So and so anyway, let's just say it's just a little taste of where I hope our conversation goes.

There's going to be another election for California governor before 2030.

That I promise you.

Martha, welcome to the podcast.

I do not believe whoever wins this governor's race will be able to survive the inevitable recall effort that is coming.

Yes, absolutely.

I mean, I am like I said, I'm I call myself a political anthropologist these days, desperately studying the crazy tribes of American politics.

We are slip sliding into one of those California governor's races that's going to look a lot like 2002, Gray Davis versus Bill Simon, where everybody hates their choices.

Right.

And we know.

And it's pretty clear to me that both parties are really coalitions, right?

So those are the two dominant stories, a bunch of other stuff percolating.

There's sort of collections of, there's a lot more diversity underneath the umbrellas, underneath that red umbrella and that blue umbrella.

Not going to leave it on the cutting room floor.

I want to want to get to a bunch of it.

But.

And I think sometimes both parties get defined by just one individual or one part of the party.