Chuck Todd

And I just think that we are sort of living in the Bruce Willis sixth sense.

You know, the only three entities that don't realize they're dead are the people that run CBS News, ABC News and NBC News.

I think the cable news channels have slightly more relevance because they they actually have a following.

Right.

The broadcast news divisions really have no following for their news.

They have followings maybe for some style.

People like I like, you know, I like I like to, you know, see what David Mears up to tonight or I like what's happening at the Today Show or Good Morning America.

But that's almost for stylistic purposes on that front.

I mean, I just think that this is not they are no longer the primary drivers of where people get their information.

And if anything, it's really the affiliates of these networks were the place where people would get more of the quote information they were getting from television news than from the national side of things.

But you've had sort of politicians weaponize the national side of things just based on, you know, Sunday shows or or or a personality they didn't like or anything.

So so I that's what I guess what I'm saying.

I'm both right.

Like, I think what my kind of is more hinting at, it's like, hey, you know, go for it.

CBS, try try something different.

But I don't think CBS, NBC, or ABC are really in the news gathering business anymore.

They have a few brands that they still are using, but in many cases, those brands are news shapers rather than necessarily news informers.

And for that, I think just everybody's already... I feel like the audience itself has already moved on.

So in some ways, I feel like this debate is about...

we're debating over something that used to have viewership but doesn't anymore.