Chuck Todd

Yeah, but not you just can't because there are people who have it goes to my wife's got this saying everybody's problems are problems for them.

And just because somebody else's problems wouldn't be problems in your life doesn't mean they're not problems in their life.

Correct.

And yet we have a hard time.

I can't tell you.

I'd love your problems.

Okay.

And I probably love your problems, you know?

You've lived this life.

You're aware.

Yeah, my dad hangs out with presidents.

That's what happens.

Yeah.

The remarkable thing to me when I think about our politics today and our polarization of today is we were really polarized in the 1950s and 60s, more so arguably than we are today.

And yet there was optimism where we struggle to find optimism today, right?

There was also, and this is something that I think

What did you learn about what I would call incrementalism?

Like there was always like, OK, let's let's win this fight and we'll come back and fight another day when others in the movement would say, let's get it all now.

So to me, this is something progress.

Today's progressives are having to relearn a story on how to how to win a long term political struggle versus.