Chuck Todd

Government's a fundamentally different job.

I think it's important to have somebody who's led a large organization, you know, who has been, who has been the decider in that George Bushism.

You know, you could get that in the private sector.

You can get that in a governor's mansion.

You know, you could get that, you know, you know, major cabinet secretary, you know, but I think, I think it needs to be someone with those kinds of backgrounds.

I also think

I think you want somebody who's authentic.

I think without naming names, there are some people who are in the mix right now who are very different people when the curtain is down and when the curtain comes up and it becomes very clear as they go through.

And I think there are some people who are just sort of consistent in who they are at all moments.

And I think that's, again, like for all of Trump's faults,

people appreciate that he is who he is.

Where do you fall?

So I had this conversation with Pelosi after January 6th that I said, this moment calls on us to figure out how to be better politicians than Abraham Lincoln.

Because in Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural, when he said, it may seem strange for any just God to bless a man for earning his bread from the sweat of another man's face, but let us not judge lest we be judged ourselves.

And the but was Lincoln saying, I don't know how to unite the country and be morally clear about what just happened.

And I think that tension has always been in our politics.

To be a uniter is to forgive some sins.

To not forgive the sins is to not be a uniter.

I see the divide as being a little bit different than you going into this cycle, but I think the

particularly with the wealth inequality and with the huge disruptions and unemployment.