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And it really gives you a good, um, an eyeopening example of like what Jim Henson was capable of, but also like what he was into because, you know, when you think of him, you think of Muppets and Sesame Street in particular.

Right.

Right.

Right.

I think Jim Henson had Jim Morrison beat by a mile as far as experimental films went.

I think Jim Henson had Jim Morrison beat by a mile as far as experimental films went.

I think Jim Henson had Jim Morrison beat by a mile as far as experimental films went.

And lifelong collaborators of his. Yeah. Yeah, but he started out making basically a puppet-based commercial ad agency in New York. Yes. In 1963. Yeah.

And lifelong collaborators of his. Yeah. Yeah, but he started out making basically a puppet-based commercial ad agency in New York. Yes. In 1963. Yeah.

And lifelong collaborators of his. Yeah. Yeah, but he started out making basically a puppet-based commercial ad agency in New York. Yes. In 1963. Yeah.

Right, and they did pretty well for themselves, and one of the smartest moves he made early on was all of his contracts said that he retained the rights to any of the creations he made for these companies. Yeah. So he was creating some of the things that would later become famous Muppets, like the Cookie Monster was originally made for a chip maker.

Right, and they did pretty well for themselves, and one of the smartest moves he made early on was all of his contracts said that he retained the rights to any of the creations he made for these companies. Yeah. So he was creating some of the things that would later become famous Muppets, like the Cookie Monster was originally made for a chip maker.

Right, and they did pretty well for themselves, and one of the smartest moves he made early on was all of his contracts said that he retained the rights to any of the creations he made for these companies. Yeah. So he was creating some of the things that would later become famous Muppets, like the Cookie Monster was originally made for a chip maker.

It was this puppet that couldn't get enough of these chips.

It was this puppet that couldn't get enough of these chips.

It was this puppet that couldn't get enough of these chips.

Yeah, okay, that's what it was. Yeah. And he ended up being the Cookie Monster, and the reason he ended up being the Cookie Monster is because Jim Henson retained the rights to that creation. He was a very savvy business guy, too. Yeah, and he was using somebody else's dime, these advertisers' budgets, to kind of hash out and form and make his Muppets.

Yeah, okay, that's what it was. Yeah. And he ended up being the Cookie Monster, and the reason he ended up being the Cookie Monster is because Jim Henson retained the rights to that creation. He was a very savvy business guy, too. Yeah, and he was using somebody else's dime, these advertisers' budgets, to kind of hash out and form and make his Muppets.

Yeah, okay, that's what it was. Yeah. And he ended up being the Cookie Monster, and the reason he ended up being the Cookie Monster is because Jim Henson retained the rights to that creation. He was a very savvy business guy, too. Yeah, and he was using somebody else's dime, these advertisers' budgets, to kind of hash out and form and make his Muppets.

Which I remember that from the Muppets episode. Rolf was the first big Muppet. He's such a bit character now that it's just mind-boggling to think he was the one that started it all. Even before Kermit, before Big Bird, it was Rolf. Kermit kind of stole the show, I think. Yeah. We'll talk a little more about Kermit and where he came from right after this.