Chuck

Everybody does an amazing job in it.

Look at it like a classic novel that you just have to read before you die because I think that would be a good approach to it.

I remember we talked about reading Moby Dick and a couple of people wrote in there like, Josh, do not waste your time.

It is not worth reading.

And I'm just going to go with their interpretation.

I like Bartleby the Scrivener, but I'm not sure I could take hundreds and hundreds of pages of that writing.

I'm sorry, Joey.

Right.

The ones that went back to England were like, I really miss the tasteless cuisine of home.

So one of the, it has for sure.

One of the other things that had to evolve for prison labor to become an actual thing in the United States was prisons themselves.

Like at the same time when they were still crazy about the stocks and indentured servitude, like you had jails.

You didn't have prisons.

And a jail was just basically where they kept you while you were awaiting trial or sentencing or something like that.

And then you left the jail.

Sure.

the idea of going to a place to be held as a punishment in and of itself, that is prisons, that came later on after the American Revolution.

I think it was the Quakers that came up with the idea of the penitentiary, which is meant to give you quiet time to reflect on what terrible things you've done and hopefully find God and come out of it a better person.

And of course, it's not how it

how it worked out.