Chuck

But very quickly after penitentiaries became a thing, prison labor became a thing in really short order, actually, like decades, maybe.

Yeah.

But I mean, like, yeah, it's just so easy to look right past it.

It's its own thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They used them for that as well.

And that I think Sing Sing opened in 1828.

So this is going on like if prisons became a thing around the time of the American Revolution, like this, this, like I said, my point is proven this transition happened quickly.

So by the time the Civil War came around, like this, it's called the Northern Model or the Auburn Prison Model, where you can rent a building, rent the inmates, and then set up shop there.

That's what prison labor looked like, or else you were working for the prison, like, say, building other prisons.

That's what the North was doing.

In the South...

they were still quite hung up on the idea of chattel slavery and owning a person and making them work until they died, essentially.

That was something that was really ingrained in the culture and was not an easy thing to give up despite having lost the Civil War and the 13th Amendment being passed.

And I know you've seen 13th, the Ava DuVernay documentary.

That's a great one, too.

That's one of those like life changing, perspective changing, eye opening type documentaries.

Well, how about this?

If you but I did see if you well, if you are lying right now and you go look for it, do not be confused by the documentary 13th that came out in 2025.