Chuck

The movie?

Yeah.

I thought you were asking when I saw it.

1932, I believe, or 1935, something like that.

But, Chuck, you should.

This one, it has 8.2 on IMDb, and that's a pretty high rating.

It's really good.

It's a good movie.

I don't know.

Yeah, I got you.

Yeah, no, I was just trying to get you again.

Joe Arpaio.

Did not happen, though, because, again, America lost its taste for chain gangs in the first half of the 20th century, and the idea of bringing them back was not something that you would want to do.

Even beyond that, not bringing back the chain gangs, prison labor got to be more and more, or I should say less and less brutal.

How about that?

Because the other way I could have put it is more and more less brutal, and that just doesn't make sense anymore.

Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us.

Yeah, Nixon's war on drugs, Reagan's tough on crime thing, Clinton trying to wrestle the tough on crime, I guess, moniker away from the GOP.

And I guess it was part of the Democrats' platform every year until 2008 when it was quietly removed.

And not coincidentally, 2008 is the year that the peak incarceration happened, like you said.