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But as we said, it is a long tariff for here.

And he did explain, he made many very striking remarks explaining his rationale here.

Mr Justice Kinney reminded the court that the prosecution had said that McCulloch posed significant, serious harm to the public and had a high likelihood of re-offending.

He reminded us again that McCulloch lost no time in attempting to blame an ex-boyfriend.

about him pretending to be distraught.

And we'll hear about that more later on the podcast.

And of course, he reminded the court that this was not a spontaneous murder, but a planned out one.

He denied the charges, but at a sentencing hearing in May, a probation officer said that McCullough made self-contradictory and incredible statements

First insisting he was convinced that he was not guilty of the murder, but then describing it as evil and vicious and referring to himself as a monster.

He also said, I'm sorry for what I did to that poor family, what I did to Natalie.

I would take it back if I could.

So that comes too late.

Now, as I said there, McCullough denied the murder, claiming he had been live streaming himself playing computer games on his YouTube channel at the time.

But police experts discovered the six-hour stream had actually been filmed four days before and broadcast as live on the 18th of December.

Now, Catherine Cairns, head of the Public Prosecution Service's

serious crime unit said the devious killer underestimated the team who brought him to justice for killing Natalie.

She spoke to our crime correspondent Alison Morris.

We can listen to a little bit of that interview now.

And if anyone's interested, you can read that full interview with Alison Morris on our website.

Now, Curtis, in the last few days, we've been provided and all outlets have now published the 999 call.