Ciarán

Cian, would you pay them?

It's not a criminal matter.

Not the criminal damage of the clamps.

And not the criminal damage of the clamps.

But if you were to get a fine for parking... And if your niece and nephew, you said, who don't have 120 quid, if they were found guilty to be complicit in the criminal damage of those clamps, you'd be content, you'd be happy to say, well, listen, I know you can never do the J1 or go to the States or any of that, but you know what?

We showed those clampers who's boss.

This idea, though, that you wouldn't pay the fine because you can get away with it.

Is that just your approach to rules in general?

I mean, do you break the speed limit if you're confident that there's not going to be a... No, I don't break speed limits.

I don't.

Do you shoplift?

Do you shoplift because you can get away with it?

No, obviously not.

So why do you break these rules because you can get away with it?

But we're talking about parking fines.

You said you wouldn't pay them either because you could get away with it.

But you wouldn't pay a private... So if a person who owns land, private land, and turns that land into a car park at their own cost and charges people to park in it, you want a parking that you wouldn't pay and if you got a parking fine, you wouldn't pay that fine because you can get away with it.

I'd say there'd be more people in court and I'd say, you know what, he'd be better off sticking to the clamping because at least you have... No, I know the point you're making and it's not an outrageous point that there's one of the reasons you'd get away with it is because of the hassle of pursuing it.

But again, we're just coming back to the point that you've just decided unilaterally that these rules don't apply to you because you can get away with breaking them.

And I just wonder what other rules you break because you can get away with it.