Ciara Murphy

be the loudest person, block the motorway.

And I think that's what the farmers have... Blockade the ports.

Yeah, that's what the farmers have learned.

And now the trade unions kind of are saying, okay, this is interesting.

Clearly there's concessions to be made if you shout loud.

Well, I suppose also I think the obvious point is that, you know, Jim O'Callaghan was damaged, I think, or definitely there's a perception that he was damaged by the kind of calling in the army.

So I think he was the kind of front runner before that.

So I think there's a strategic element there.

I think there's probably a strategic element in not being seen to kind of jump the gun, potentially on something that's inevitably going to happen anyway.

And then you seem really gracious and all the rest.

But also, of course, as you know, I think from a political standpoint, it makes a lot of sense to change leaders not too soon before a general election.

So you get that fresh energy, you get that kind of boost.

Yeah, and I think this is part of the issue is the short term nature of, I think, Irish politics and kind of the fiscal solution.

So, again, 750 million here, there.

You kind of end up with less kind of long term capital and the ability, the flexibility to really deal with these problems.

lot more workers to support that infrastructure.

Lucinda points out a lot of issues that are not to do with finances, but are to do with strategy and vision and kind of the planning process that I think are really, really important.

And I think one thing that's really important to say in kind of this whole debate around Ireland is that

I think the reason that Ireland has shown itself resilient to the far right so far, partially it's because we've got loads of money, but partially it's because our political parties are quite populist.

So they will, they're not, they don't have strong ideologies.