Ciara Murphy

So they will move with the people.

And that's why they've like, it's why Fianna Fáil.

Do you agree?

Yeah, definitely.

I mean, I think for me, I've always really focused on understanding the root causes.

Like, where is the resentment?

Where is the anger coming from?

And if you don't address that, there will be a release valve for it.

And I think what I really, there was a really interesting piece in the Sunday Times about corruption and the role of corruption bringing down Orban.

And it was about kind of this anti-corruption campaigner bringing, bussing people out to his mansion in his village.

Roads paved with gold.

And, you know, putting up ladders that people could look over into the amount of wealthy demand.

Yes, exactly.

Yeah.

And I think it really shows the kind of unsustainability of that type of autocratic kind of self-enriching regime in a democracy, because people do eventually realise, OK, you're saying all these things, but actually who's benefiting is kind of you and your cronies.

And I think that's definitely something that the Trump kind of regime, because, I mean, the amount of wealth that he has amassed and that people close to him have amassed, I think is going to be the thing that, and maybe it's just a matter of time.

I don't know.

OK.

I think it's important.

I would disagree with the characterisation of this as kind of a leader-led protest.