Ciara Murphy

I think this was very much a grassroots protest that some random people kind of emerged as spokespeople of.

So it's really difficult in that to kind of attribute responsibility and to coordinate it.

Yeah, I think, and I also, I want to kind of disagree with this idea of like, well, who do you talk to?

I think with these grassroots movements, you don't talk, you listen.

And I think it's, you know, because that's often used, it was often used by the Israelis with the Palestinians.

And, you know, the idea was, well, okay, they're really pissed off for a reason, right?

So listen to, and I think that's, that was kind of the gaffe that Micheál Martin made in this.

that people kind of felt like they were being talked at and talked down to instead of listened to.

And kind of really sometimes all people want is to be heard and to really feel like their voice counts.

And I think we're seeing in the social research, we're seeing a distinction emerging between the higher educated and the people without a third level education in the feeling that their voice counts in politics in this country.

And I think this kind of thing is an expression of what happens.

And do you agree with that?

Increasingly, your life chance in the USA are basically dependent on whether you have a third level education.

Yeah.

I mean, if you look back to the last oil crisis, it was the 1979.

And that was, you know, you know, America reducing the speed limits on roads to save fuel.

It also led to just enormous problems.

political upheaval.

So it brought in the Thatcher and Reagan governments, enormously changed our kind of economic stories.

In the Netherlands, it created the cycle infrastructure that we know now because all of a sudden there was, and I think this is what we're seeing in the green agenda,