Ciara O'Brien

Now, nobody was ever... I mean, you don't get two Steve Jobs, do you?

Like, he was a unique kind of... He was a unique person.

And we also have to remember as well that Steve Jobs had a very good team around him, you know, when it came to kind of, you know, designing products and coming up with all these ideas.

You know, he...

came up with some of them he you know they perfected them you know it was not solely down to one person apple is a huge kind of collaborative effort and apple was never about one person but he was such a figurehead when he stepped down it was a massive deal and obviously when he died a few weeks later it was there was a huge hole left in the company and

And it was big shoes for Tim Cook to fill.

And yes, I do remember very, very vaguely now, because it was 15 years ago when he did his first kind of iPhone launch.

All the focus on was, was it going to be as magical as the kind of magic that Steve Jobs brought to the whole thing?

And the thing is, I don't think he ever needed to be another Steve Jobs.

As you said, he had the skill set all of his own.

And I think if you had brought somebody in trying to be another version of Steve Jobs, it would have fallen flat anyway, because you just can't replicate that.

And under Apple, under Tim Cook, we've seen Apple go from strength to strength.

You've seen the iPhone, the reach of the iPhone, the reach of Apple products become increasingly large globally.

You've seen the company become, first of all, a $1 trillion company.

Now it's worth $4 trillion.

It's kind of vying with Nvidia and companies of that ilk in terms of who's the most valuable tech company in the world.

Apple is huge and he leaves it in a very...

good position.

And he's not really leaving either because he's becoming the executive chairman.

He's becoming chairman.