Ciarán

So, you know, we should have done it maybe 25 years ago.

We didn't.

What would qualify as proactive today?

But is that not what the Climate Action Bill does, or the Act, the bill that became legislation?

You know, that it obligates the government to meet those targets and there's reporting mechanisms in it.

That's how we know we're not hitting them.

Yeah.

Let me bring in Neil Skeffington, who's been waiting patiently and listening to all of this as well.

Yeah.

Neil, do you think we should be calling it climate breakdown and be more blunt about the consequences of doing nothing?

I don't think anyone in this conversation has been shaming people.

You know, I think Saoirse, who kicked things off and is still listening to this as well, you know, was

was quite clear that she wasn't, you know, trying to make anybody feel bad for having an ice cream and sitting out in the sun and enjoying themselves.

It was more just the need to acknowledge alongside that, particularly in the media when you're reporting it, that it's not all frivolity.

Yeah, go on.

That's kind of meaningless though, Neil, to people, isn't it?

You know, the reason to talk about it on a day when it's scorching outside or the day after Storm Eowyn is because it's tangible to people then.

Whereas when you sit around on this bog standard May day in Ireland and there's nothing remarkable about the weather one way or the other and you want to talk to people about the temperature in the North Atlantic...

Some of them will care.

We all should care.