Ciarán

What was it about him that you found so engaging?

They need to control it when it comes to overtime and agency staff and recruitment and what have you.

Why?

Because to the end of March, three months into the year, they are a quarter of a billion quid.

over budget and anne o'connor was on the news at one speaking to rachel english about this about the overspend about the implications of it and she talked a little bit as well about how much frontline staff and any clinicians they are hiring and the active recruitment that's ongoing in that regard and brenda hartnett was listening to the news at one and she got in touch with us here on live line brenda what's the issue

Those early shows in the 50s, you know, I don't remember those and you wouldn't either, but they...

You know, by all accounts, what brought him to acclaim on the back of them was that it was so unique what he was doing, you know, going off to these places and filming, you know, Komodo dragons kind of in their native habitat and standing beside them.

But that doesn't really explain his lasting appeal, doesn't it?

It's hard to put your finger on it, isn't it?

Like, what is it that after that initial acclaim, you could see that fade away?

Lots of people are pioneers at different things and then you forget about them.

But...

50, 60 years later, people adore David Attenborough.

How long did you work with the HSE?

Okay.

And over all of that time, Brenda, was it a feature of the organisation that middle management seemed to expand at a faster rate of knots than frontline services?

Or is that a more recent thing?

Okay, it always was a feature.

What was he like?

Really?