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Because you know sometimes, this is slightly sacrilegious, I'm going to say it.

You know, he has a reputation for being maybe slightly curmudgeonly.

Did you ever internally express concern that there were too many managers being hired compared to speech and language therapists like yourself or doctors, nurses, midwives?

You said... Yeah, dispiriting is the word you used a moment ago as well.

Tell me more about that, how it felt to work in that environment then.

Well, it was more about that sense of... How did you describe it?

That it was dispiriting to work there.

You know, particularly, I suppose, in the area you worked in, disability services and speech and language therapy.

And we all know how profound...

the shortages there of frontline staff and what a profound effect that has on the most vulnerable children in society.

Yeah.

Go on.

As long as people don't listen to them between 1.45 and 3 Monday to Friday, I'm happy to second that recommendation.

Brendan, thanks a million.

Let's stick with this, but we'll take a short break.

Talking about David Attenborough and actually Derek Mooney got to sit down and interview David Attenborough a few years ago.

And the interview in its entirety is going to be broadcast tonight at 10 o'clock here on RTE Radio 1.

So that is well worth keeping an ear out for.

But Brian Murphy is on the line.

And Brian, I understand that you worked with the great man.