Claire Donald

That's crazy.

I moved like houses quite a bit.

I think I moved like maybe eight times as a kid.

And even that for me, like – I mean, you can imagine.

Mental breakdown every time.

Even if it was four blocks away.

Like, how could you do this to me?

You're talking to earth signs right here.

Oh, my God.

It was like devastating.

So I truly have so much like empathy for –

kids that have to do that yeah and it definitely affected her she felt like she was always watching rather than belonging and like we were saying earlier it is crucial because Joan's identity from the start was built on observation rather than participation she was never like I need to be the center of attention and

which also cannot relate.

What's that like?

So when she was young, her mom gave her her first notebook when she was five years old with a suggestion that Joan stop whining and learn to amuse herself by writing down her thoughts.

I thought it was going to be something really sweet of like, my darling girl, you have a brilliant mind.

She was like, shut up.

Sit down and shut up.

Literally, she was like, you're bored?

Then like, write out your thoughts and feelings.