Claire Stevens

Yeah, because I was thinking we used to, what Penn Badgley's saying, it used to be the complete opposite.

In that, remember when there was an era of like the Love Actually movie?

And it's like, you just had movies that had so many big names in it, you couldn't even count.

And that's why we went to the movies.

I don't know if it does, but I wonder if it affects them

Storytelling.

Like I do think, for example, I saw the Ryan Gosling movie, the space one.

Project Hail Mary.

I loved it.

And that is obviously like literally just him in a frigging spaceship the whole time.

Yes.

But at the same time, you're very aware that it's Ryan Gosling.

I'm watching it because I find him charismatic and funny and interesting and all of that.

Was I, like, as immersed in the story or was I distracted by Ryan Gosling?

You know what I mean?

Yes, but I don't know.

Like, for example, even thinking about...

something like Guardians of the Galaxy, which again is like star-studded, I couldn't really tell you what that story is about.

I'm not in a story.

I'm watching famous people.