Clare Dunne

And you just be looking at Sandra then go on in her life.

And then what happens with the B character, C character?

Like, I knew it wasn't that.

I knew it had an arc.

And that was my instinct telling me something.

And so when I when I bought a notebook, the first thing I was doing weirdly was like storyboards and like pictures of her in a courtroom trying to talk to a judge.

And I had all these images and then I was kind of writing almost like mini novellas of what would happen because I was just trying to write like what happens in this at first.

It was really instinctive.

And then I had to look up.

you know how to start putting things into like I guess what people use is final draft but I used a free thing for a couple of years because I couldn't afford final draft so I used Caltex and it was kind of that like it was just me just like following the the trail and and what was the context around that time for you like what what things had you made or done up to that point

Oh, yeah.

Well, I had done, so weirdly at the start of my career, not career, start of my journey.

What's a career anyway?

I couldn't get into drama school.

I'm a careerist.

I'm getting paid to do something, which means I'm in the system.

I'm making the money.

Now, at the start of things, I was quite crap at auditions and I couldn't get into drama school.

So actually, the first things I ever used to do in terms of creating anything for myself was I used to write little songs.

Like, I'm not a great musician, but I can do a few chords on a guitar.