Clark Murphy

Clark, I'm the one who's grateful and you've made me feel at home already.

Well, thanks for being here.

I'm a little intimidated because you've had a podcast for like 12 years.

It's done very well.

So you tell me, how do you ensure there's a good interview on your podcast?

Well, you know what?

Well, listen, we always talk about people's background, their career, how they got to where they were.

You've served in Rome, Washington, Milwaukee, Missouri, New York City.

What are some of the highlights of how you went from one thing to the other?

And we try and plan our careers.

You get tapped on the shoulder, so you can't plan.

How do you think about this?

Well, that's a support we all need, I think, and particularly the grace to know that we can fall.

So you're a leader, but you also have a team you have to lead to do the things that you need to do for the church to operate the way it needs to operate.

And not everything goes according to plan.

What's your patience like as a leader, and how do you develop leaders to be good at serving the church and serving the parishioners?

So many institutions in the last five to 10 years, people have lost trust in government or businesses or media or whatever it might be.

What do you think business leaders can take away from religious leaders about building trust, that they'll have faith in their leaders to run something well, to make good decisions, to listen to others as you say?

How can we learn from your lessons and lessons of the church about building trust?

Cardinal Dolan, obviously we're in the leadership business.