Clas Svahn

Yes.

And there is no really good way.

uh scientific approach to this yes we have certain scientists that are interested in this but they are looking at their small bits and pieces as well would one new scientific model involve um you know science is supposed to be you're supposed to be this impartial observer yeah and then you have the observed and there's a you know clear distinct separation between those two

But maybe in this new model, your own consciousness or orientation towards the subject somehow matters.

Absolutely.

I met with a friend of mine who is a doctor, and he's also very much into the human consciousness research.

He's done research on twins and see what happens if a twin is hurt and if the other is affected.

And he found that, yes, there are clear indications that

twins are interacting without knowing that.

Wow.

And he really says to me that the human consciousness is a big part

even of the ufo phenomena it has to be and i think so as well yes yeah are you familiar with studies in parapsychology and that sort of thing yeah because if there is some sort of mind matter interaction then that obviously has to affect you know what what we see yeah we know so little about what's inside our heads yes yeah gray mass but that's not the answer

Do you think, you know, when you speak to Jacques Vallée, he says, you know, I would be very disappointed to find that these were just beings from another planet?

It doesn't have to do as much with space as it might have to do with space-time itself, where time seems like time travel is this big theme in a lot of his writings and, you know, when he speaks and stuff.

Is that something you've thought about at all?

Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

I don't think the answer to the UFO question is one.

I think there are many different answers from different parts of this huge complex.

So it's very hard for, say, a scientist to approach this with an astronomer.

They will only look at this very small part.