Clas Svahn

Yes, later hypnotic regression.

They never really remembered it in the waking.

So what do you think they had an encounter with?

That's very hard to tell, but I think that all those stories are much more complicated.

Much more complicated.

She was a firm believer in aliens visiting Earth.

Right.

She told Barney about her interest in that, and he didn't like that at all.

But it's almost like that interest might have shaded their perception of what happened to them, when in fact what happened to them was much more complicated.

I mean...

If the beings said we're from Zeta Reticuli, that does point to it.

Well, they didn't say that because that was the star map.

She drew a star map.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that star map is, of course, you can do that with lots of stars.

Right.

But they said we're from another star system.

She asked about this map on the wall, and they told her that this was commercial lines where they were traveling to make...

make business yeah really i believe um have you read american cosmic by diana pasolka or are you familiar with it yeah so she talks about um the cbs show outer limits playing uh that was at that time playing 11 days premiering 11 days before this encounter that show and the crashed metal debris in her cupboard that had happened before so many things before