Claudina Bade

But during COVID, I mean, there were there were plenty of people who did not vaccinate their children and children died. I mean, that did happen during COVID. So it is really hard to say what the American tolerance is for natural right now.

But during COVID, I mean, there were there were plenty of people who did not vaccinate their children and children died. I mean, that did happen during COVID. So it is really hard to say what the American tolerance is for natural right now.

But during COVID, I mean, there were there were plenty of people who did not vaccinate their children and children died. I mean, that did happen during COVID. So it is really hard to say what the American tolerance is for natural right now.

That is such a lovely description of a vaccine and such an interesting pushback. I really hadn't thought of that. You looked into the current measles outbreak. What does the government's response to that tell you about how this administration might respond to a potential bird flu outbreak?

That is such a lovely description of a vaccine and such an interesting pushback. I really hadn't thought of that. You looked into the current measles outbreak. What does the government's response to that tell you about how this administration might respond to a potential bird flu outbreak?

That is such a lovely description of a vaccine and such an interesting pushback. I really hadn't thought of that. You looked into the current measles outbreak. What does the government's response to that tell you about how this administration might respond to a potential bird flu outbreak?

Right. That actually is worrisome. I mean, the way you just laid that out, that is worrisome. It should have been, number one, get your child vaccinated. And maybe, number two, this is an emergency. And that wasn't the attitude, particularly.

Right. That actually is worrisome. I mean, the way you just laid that out, that is worrisome. It should have been, number one, get your child vaccinated. And maybe, number two, this is an emergency. And that wasn't the attitude, particularly.

Right. That actually is worrisome. I mean, the way you just laid that out, that is worrisome. It should have been, number one, get your child vaccinated. And maybe, number two, this is an emergency. And that wasn't the attitude, particularly.

Right. So with COVID, there was a day, you know. Will we know when we've reached the tipping point? Like, will it be totally obvious to us, like there'll be giant headlines in the newspaper, or it won't be totally obvious?

Right. So with COVID, there was a day, you know. Will we know when we've reached the tipping point? Like, will it be totally obvious to us, like there'll be giant headlines in the newspaper, or it won't be totally obvious?

Right. So with COVID, there was a day, you know. Will we know when we've reached the tipping point? Like, will it be totally obvious to us, like there'll be giant headlines in the newspaper, or it won't be totally obvious?

By the way, after we taped with both Katie and Greg Herbrook, the poultry CEO, we heard the news that RFK Jr. was suggesting that instead of culling chickens who were sick, farmers should maybe let bird flu, quote, run through the flock so that we can identify the birds and preserve the birds that are immune to it. Basically, let the virus run its course.

By the way, after we taped with both Katie and Greg Herbrook, the poultry CEO, we heard the news that RFK Jr. was suggesting that instead of culling chickens who were sick, farmers should maybe let bird flu, quote, run through the flock so that we can identify the birds and preserve the birds that are immune to it. Basically, let the virus run its course.

By the way, after we taped with both Katie and Greg Herbrook, the poultry CEO, we heard the news that RFK Jr. was suggesting that instead of culling chickens who were sick, farmers should maybe let bird flu, quote, run through the flock so that we can identify the birds and preserve the birds that are immune to it. Basically, let the virus run its course.

We asked Greg what he thought of that plan, and he told us this via email. Quote, "...letting an outbreak run through the flock in an uncontrolled manner is not a practical or humane solution and would lead to needless suffering while increasing the risk of AI, meaning avian influenza, spreading to other species and animals and ultimately putting humans at greater risk."

We asked Greg what he thought of that plan, and he told us this via email. Quote, "...letting an outbreak run through the flock in an uncontrolled manner is not a practical or humane solution and would lead to needless suffering while increasing the risk of AI, meaning avian influenza, spreading to other species and animals and ultimately putting humans at greater risk."

We asked Greg what he thought of that plan, and he told us this via email. Quote, "...letting an outbreak run through the flock in an uncontrolled manner is not a practical or humane solution and would lead to needless suffering while increasing the risk of AI, meaning avian influenza, spreading to other species and animals and ultimately putting humans at greater risk."

This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Janae West and edited by Claudina Bade. We had engineering support from Erica Huang and fact-checking by Sarah Krulewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Janae West and edited by Claudina Bade. We had engineering support from Erica Huang and fact-checking by Sarah Krulewski. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.