Clay Travis

And then it was, hey, you write enough good articles and you seem like you can speak about these things in the newsroom, we'll do some short form video in the newsroom.

And then it was, you can do some TV.

And then it was, you know, and within a few years, I'm guest hosting for Rush Limbaugh on the biggest radio show in the world, right?

But the point is, you had to be a jack of all trades.

And I think that people who are digital native, which both of us are, have come up in that world where you just have to, wherever the audience is, to Clay's point, you have to find them.

And that just means you have to be a constant content machine.

You have to be prolific as well as insightful.

And it just has to be 24-7 in your brain.

This is, we've been talking about him a lot on the show recently because I think that, I mean, to call him rookie of the year would be a strange thing because he's been in the game, generally speaking, for quite some time and achieved some prominence.

But I think in the political world, he was absolutely under the radar and not somebody, a lot of the names in this cabinet, I mean, certainly talking about, I mean,

Marco Rubio and many of the people that are in top positions are, if you knew Trump world, if you didn't know Trump world, you might not have expected it.

But like I knew, I've known Kash Patel for years.

I knew Kash was gonna be the FBI director.

I mean, you go down the list.

The one that I think has been the best

Surprise in a you know, the most surprising in a good way would be would be Besant, because I think that he brings an experience, a gravitas, dare I say, but also the messaging capability.

So he has expertise, but also the messaging capability to handle what is still a very hostile, I mean, somewhat hostile.

neutered compared to before, but a very hostile press corps on policy issues pertaining to Trump.

So I think he's been a real standout and a star.

And actually, it's funny because Clay and I were supposed to meet with him and do an interview in person.