Cliff Sims

And certainly anything that's your baby, like it's hard for me.

I mean, it still exists to this day.

And there are times when I read stories

and it's like, I wouldn't have done that, or I would have covered this story differently, or I would have, you know, whatever.

And it's hard not to be like, man, that's my, you know, that's my thing.

So I still have a lot of affection for it, and it was a season of my life that I loved.

But it's not hard to tell the President of the United States, yeah, I'll come serve my country in the West Wing of the White House, where the only office between my office and the Oval Office is the Roosevelt Room.

Yeah, I'll do that.

So yeah, it was a no-brainer.

Well, at that point especially, people really don't understand how small the team was.

there were, I think at the end of the campaign, there were five Hillary Clinton staffers for every one Trump staffer.

And before that, it was even, the disparity was even greater.

I mean, the Clintons had this giant juggernaut of an operation.

And really, the Trump campaign was split into two groups.

You had a small group of four or five people who were on the plane with him going around the country.

And then you had a group of us, probably 25 of us, in a war room on the 14th floor of Trump Tower

that, and that was kind of it.

I mean, people talk about like what was, and there were others, like there were advanced staffers and there's others, certainly there's other people out there working on it.

But in terms of what Trump would think of as like my campaign team, the people that he knows, we're only talking a couple of dozen people here at that point.

And so, you know, he gets full credit for the 2016 campaign because people ask me, what was the campaign?