Cliff Sims

Trump intuitively understood that even as a billionaire,

in his tower in Manhattan.

And I wonder how, and I can really only think of like, he was a builder, so he's around,

builders all the time.

He was around people that work with their hands all the time and interacted with these people and heard their problems and their concerns and the things that they were scared about.

And even if they didn't affect him in some way, because he's a billionaire, he understood the importance of those issues.

So the immigration issue, the trade issue, the tough on China issue, all of these things now that we kind of identify with Trump, we take for granted now because

he talks about them all the time, but no one was talking about these things.

And certainly no Republican was talking about these things.

So I even, growing up as like a conservative and being around politicians starting in about 2010, and so leading up to that point, so for five or six years had been involved in politics and really kind of paying attention, no one talked about those things.

So when I started getting calls to my radio show and getting emails in to readers critiquing our coverage, I started realizing, man, there's something much more powerful here

from an issue standpoint, and certainly the personality is larger than life, but from an issue standpoint, there was something there that he hit on that it just took me and others, I think, some time to really understand.

Interesting, interesting.

Yeah.

Well, so we can, kind of two questions there.

One is, what's it like to work for Trump?

The second is, we can talk about the Mattis one specifically, because I've spent a decent amount of time with him while he was there, and kind of, I think, understand some of the backstory of that.

I personally don't have a single negative thing to say about having worked for Trump, and I've been sued by the guy at one point.

So I've seen every side of it, and we can get into that, kind of what happened there.

But in terms of actually working for him, it is,