Cliff Sims

I noticed here that it says that you're engaged and you're involved in a lawsuit right now.

And now my mind is like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I am.

And he said, well, it says here that it's Donald John Trump.

And is that the president of the United States that you're involved in a lawsuit?

But yes, I did get sued by the president of the United States.

It was not the most fun experience of my life, but basically I had left the White House and I decided to write a memoir of my time there.

And a lot of it has been like, a lot of it was because of the things we've been talking about in this interview, like misconceptions about what it was really like, what Trump is really like, you know, and I really wanted to give

what I was calling the first honest insider's account.

Because you had books that fit into a few different categories.

You had haters.

People were gonna leave and just say, oh, Trump's the worst thing that ever happened.

And it's, oh, it's so bad.

And then next thing you know, they got themselves a CNN or MSNBC contract and you get what's going on there.

Then you had people that were on the opposite end of that spectrum who really didn't talk about anything meaningful because they didn't want to,

even be the slightest bit critical or say, we could have done this better or we could have done better.

They're just totally sycophantic and like, you know, you're not getting an honest look at things there, no matter who it is.

And then the third was journalists, most of whom are dishonest, but even the honest ones are subservient to their sources.

They're not actually in the room.

They have to have somebody tell them what happened in that room.

And so it's always a secondhand account.