Cliff Sims

in Ukraine with the Russians, because the Russians have pretty robust cyber capabilities.

And we've seen them have some successes there.

We've seen them not be as successful and maybe not done some things that we thought they might have done.

But in the United States, one of the areas where there is a lot of focus, but I think needs to be more focus in, what are we doing to harden our infrastructure?

What are we doing to our power grid to ensure that we're not vulnerable in the event of

war or an attack of some point from a cyber perspective, that we're not extremely vulnerable, because right now I think we're more vulnerable there than we would like to admit.

Well, in some ways, I'm not going to talk about it, and in other ways, I don't know.

Okay.

And these are the kind of eventualities that are...

People are planning for these things, but the thing that's difficult is how civilization as a whole is so dependent on electricity at this point, how quickly it would affect our food supply, people's ability to get access to food and clean water, and all of these different kind of necessities of life, and how quickly we could devolve into chaos here domestically

irregardless of kind of what's going on externally, who's attacking us.

So I think you're spot on.

This is an area of extreme concern and vulnerability that we need to do a lot more on.

What about the water supply?

Same stuff?

Yeah.

Anything that's an industrial control system at this point,

There are people, really smart people, who are devoting their lives to this problem, but it needs a lot more focus on the government side.

So there's a funny story when my wife and I left D.C., we were moving back to Alabama and we were buying a house.

And the mortgage guy calls and he says, hey, we're doing our due diligence on the mortgage here and one of the things we had to search was is there any pending litigation going on and