Cliff Sims

And so for the rest of the day, Trump would point out who in the meetings would get to go if something bad happened, and he would be like, Cliff's not going to be there, guys, so make your peace with him now.

Very much.

I think this is one of the areas where we're more vulnerable than people would realize.

Industrial cybersecurity in general is an area where we've got a lot of vulnerabilities around the country.

Our infrastructure does.

I'm actually getting ready in about a month to chair a hearing on China's preparation for crisis scenarios or potential war and things like that.

When is this?

That'll be in mid-June.

Where's this?

In D.C.

The U.S.-China Commission is hosting it.

So it'll be in Congress in one of their hearing rooms there.

And one of the things that we're kind of learning about is what is China doing to prepare for things like this and where are their vulnerabilities?

And then how are we preparing and where are our vulnerabilities in this regard?

And this is one of the things where,

Cyber espionage or cyber attacks or cyber warfare, these are things that have existed in theory for a long time.

They've also existed even when they're happening below the threshold of war in kind of a gray zone for a long time.

And the question is, what's gonna happen in the event of some conflict?

What role is cyber war going to play in that?

And the first time we've really been able to see this in some ways is what's happened