Cliff Sims

And I went because I believed in Trump and like, let's go try to accomplish something here.

But I didn't know how to govern.

I had never governed before.

And they want you to think governing is some kind of superpower that only the chosen few in DC know how to do this, Sean.

You wouldn't know, if you came to DC, you wouldn't know what to do because you're not one of the chosen ones.

You know, it's very egotistical, condescending point of view that these people have toward people who've been successful in the private sector and never...

done it before.

So it's just like, it was just nonstop fighting.

And so the book was titled Team of Vipers.

And it was a playoff of Lincoln's Team of Rivals.

And so he famously had this team of rivals.

He brought different people together and they were his cabinet and they worked together.

And this team didn't gel in that way.

It was constant fighting.

And so one of the themes of the book were those dynamics and how they were kind of working

And so when the book comes out, the president has, immediately has the false impression that I'm attacking him, that I'm gonna be one of the ones who has now left and is now gonna stab him in the back and say all of these terrible things about him.

And so he sued me when the book came out and,

basically in violation of a non-disclosure agreement that we had signed on the campaign.

And so I countersued him, because I had to, I didn't want to sue the guy, but I had countersued him on First Amendment grounds and saying that, you know, as a government employee, as long as I don't disclose classified information, you know, I'm not bound by, you know, an NDA, basically the sign in the private sector that apply to my assignment government service.

That was the gist of it.