Cliff Sims

those numbers go way down, but they also hate his guts because he doesn't just like roll over and take, he'll punch them back in the mouth twice as hard as they punched him.

And so it's a really difficult dynamic there, but none of it leads to getting closer to the truth, that's for sure.

One of the things I talked about in my first book was most people who write a book are the heroes of their own story.

And I'm not the hero in my book.

Because it was not a book that was like, oh, I saw things that I didn't agree with and I was standing athwart history yelling stop.

And I was so brave.

What I learned about myself was

I was much more susceptible to the attraction of power than I otherwise would have ever known because I never had power.

I grew up with nothing, you know, in a working class family.

I didn't know, I'd never met anybody who worked in the government, much less somebody in the White House.

I'd never met anybody who had money.

What do people do if they have money?

I don't know.

I've never met anybody who has money.

I've never met a business owner.

I've never met an entrepreneur.

I've never met a politician.

I've never met

Never met anybody.

So you only know the universe that you've been exposed to.