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Cliff Sims

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1691 total appearances

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

Thank you so much for bestowing your forgiveness upon me, but I'm good.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

But you know, the thing that I remember more than the on-camera stuff was after the interview was over with, we go backstage and Joy Behar pulls me off to the side.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

My wife was there with me.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

And she's probably the most, I mean, they're all really anti-Trump on there for sure, but I mean, she's like vehemently, you know, very leftist, anti-Trump.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

And she said to me, what's a nice young man like you doing working for a guy like Donald Trump?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

And in the moment I kind of played it off as, oh, well, I'm probably not as nice as you think I am.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

And, you know, we just kind of like laughed it off, but that kind of like stuck with me after I left, because the real question that she's getting at, I think is important for everyone to think about.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

How can you love someone with whom you disagree?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

Or how can you support someone?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

even when you disagree with some of their actions, some of the things that they do.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

And the answer to that question is really a lot more simple than I had really thought about prior to that, which is it's easy.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

I've been doing the same thing with myself my entire life.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

Paul writes about in the New Testament, the thing that I want to do, I can't do.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

And yet the thing that I don't want to do, I keep doing.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

I'm going around and around.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

He's like wrestling with, you know, I can't bring myself to do the right thing.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

But for all of us, how much grace have we extended ourselves and all the things that we've screwed up in the past, and yet you can't find it within yourself to extend that grace to anybody else?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

People ask me about Donald Trump all the time.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

He did this, that, or the other that I disagree with.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#136 Cliff Sims - White House Myths, Doomsday Bunkers and Holding the Nuclear Football

And how could you work for the guy when he did this, that, or the other?