Cliff Sims

In the media, I've seen all from the good surprises like the Stephen Colbert who treated me well to the Good Morning America folks who tried to screw with me when I get on there.

So I've seen it all.

What?

That approach?

Oh, yeah.

So, so few.

So few.

I mean, really unheard of, honestly.

I mean, I never had, especially, you know, in what's anticipated to be an adversarial interview, just doesn't really exist.

And frankly, even some of the conservatives that I know and

You know, it reminds me of when I was growing up, I was the lead singer of a band for a while, and got to meet a lot of famous musicians, and Christian musicians especially.

And I met this one band, and I won't call them out on here, there's no reason to do that, but that I had really, idolized probably is too strong of a word, but like somebody I really looked up to is like, man, they made it, and they're like real Christian guys, and they're like doing this.

And I meet the guy and he's like a raging alcoholic who's bragging about how many women he's slept with that weren't his wife since he's been with her.

And it's like jarring.

It's kind of like when you meet your heroes and it's not what you think it's gonna be.

It's like a jarring thing.

And meeting a lot of people in political media, I'm kind of jaded by it now, I guess, and like nothing surprises me.

But certainly at first, when you see these people that you like looked up to, it's like, man, they're out there just trying to like

fight the good fight, so to speak, every day, and you meet them and they're not what you think.

There's a lot of those, and that's why the good guys stand out.