CMAT

Is being conscious or valuing appearance part of life as well?

No, but no, it was an interesting point, I guess, the empowerment you take from other people's behaviour.

Because what I was getting into there is how do you try to mitigate against negative attitudes to people's appearance?

And in this case, the kind of body weight, while accepting that

appearance matters on some level in the sense that, you know, it is part of life.

So it's just about not commenting on it.

OK, listen, I want to talk to Sue, but I'm going to talk to Sue in just a moment.

51551 rather 51551 the text number if people want to get in touch that way and Sue as I said before the break is on the line so Sue tell me what happened the other evening Hi Ciarán

And why do you think they picked on you, Sue?

Yeah.

So from that study then and your experience of it, Sue,

Tell me what you think then about the, well, let's call it what it is, bullying behaviour that's directed at CMAT.

And is it, sorry Sue, is it particularly, do you think about cutting a woman down to size?

Do you think, you know, you said that the level of bullying that they're targeted with, you know, is proportionate to the threat they pose.

Do you think a powerful, successful, independent woman poses a particular threat?

No, no, no, you go on.

You expand on what you're going to say.

You answered the question I was nearly going to ask.

I was going to say, so if you're an independent and powerful and successful woman in an accountancy firm or a law firm or a hospital,

You know what I mean?