CMAT

Yeah.

Casey, Elaine was talking as well about the re-emergence of, you know, heroin chic as it was in the 90s.

Have you noticed that trend and

When you see trends like that emerging, does it worry you in the same way it worries Elaine?

Seán O'Farrell is on the line as well.

51551, the text number, or 0818715815.

Seán, are you surprised that this is happening to see Matt and Casey and others?

Why do you think it's so entrenched, ingrained, the weight one?

OK, so that idea that... Well... How... I don't know.

What I wanted to kind of explore, because you touched on it there, is this idea that...

There's a certain amount of commentary around appearance that is part and parcel, I guess, of talking about health and wellness and fitness, is there?

And that kind of leaves the door open a crack then for this toxic stuff.

Is that it?

There's not like a little bit of racism that's okay and then it opens the door to awful stuff.

But there's a little bit of commentary about weight that is okay or it's seen as okay and then that opens the door.

Is that it?

I wonder as well, to an extent...

Sometimes can it be, well, I guess it's probably most often dismissed by men who don't have to put up with it.

Let's be honest about it.

And is it dismissed as well by a generation who don't realise to what extent, you know, people consume the world or the world around them and what's going on through social media?