Coco Kahn

of course we can all make individual change and we ought to where we can, but fundamentally we are limited by what we can do by a system in which we, you know, need to have livelihoods.

That's not me saying, and therefore do dump all your waste in the Thames, you know, but where do you draw the line there in trying to make people say, look, you're empowered to make individual change and also collective change, but also I'm not going to let you off the hook.

I wonder as well with the topic of the climate, whether it suffers from a false feeling of we already know it.

We already know how bad it is.

We can look out of our window and see that the weather has changed.

And maybe there's a feeling that it's too known.

Having said that, though, there was an interesting story I wanted to mention to you.

So a national security assessment on ecosystem collapse was supposed to have been published in October last year, but it was blocked by government officials.

The report was only unearthed last week due to a freedom of information request by the Green Alliance.

The Times reported it had been significantly abridged with the worst findings omitted.

So my first question is, what do you think?

Great material?

And my second question is, what do you think about, you know, the idea that we know everything when we so clearly don't?

I genuinely find it baffling that this particular Labour government, Starmer in particular, doesn't see this as a, and I'm so sorry to use this language, an opportunity, you know, like to stand up in front of the country and say, here is a problem.

Here are experts that can fix it.

Here is science.

Here's my managerial approach.

Like that'd be quite a good flex for him.

You know, there's a tendency for politicians to use other crises as a way to show how powerful and strong they are.

And, you know, and we can't do that with this.