Coco Kahn

Wow, you picked such a noble example.

I was just thinking about myself and my own travels.

But yes, also...

Nice things.

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Someone else who's been wrestling with this question is Stuart Goldsmith.

As a climate comedian, he's taken on the unenviable task of trying to get laughs out of the most serious subject imaginable.

We caught up with him last week.

Have you had any that are really egregious?

of course we can all make individual change and we ought to where we can, but fundamentally we are limited by what we can do by a system in which we, you know, need to have livelihoods.

That's not me saying, and therefore do dump all your waste in the Thames, you know, but where do you draw the line there in trying to make people say, look, you're empowered to make individual change and also collective change, but also I'm not going to let you off the hook.

I wonder as well with the topic of the climate, whether it suffers from a false feeling of we already know it.

We already know how bad it is.

We can look out of our window and see that the weather has changed.

And maybe there's a feeling that it's too known.

Having said that, though, there was an interesting story I wanted to mention to you.

So a national security assessment on ecosystem collapse was supposed to have been published in October last year, but it was blocked by government officials.

The report was only unearthed last week due to a freedom of information request by the Green Alliance.

The Times reported it had been significantly abridged with the worst findings omitted.