Coco Kahn

Labour Together was created following Ed Miliband's defeat in 2015 and is generally considered to be centre-right in the Labour Party.

Labour Together was created following Ed Miliband's defeat in 2015 and is generally considered to be centre-right in the Labour Party.

See, this is my concern, right? It's that we all know that just because it's leading the Westminster pages doesn't mean it actually is the biggest issue in politics. We know that. We call it the bubble, don't we? For a reason. Who's in? Who's out? Who's up? Who's down? It's all a bit gossipy. And so there is a part of me that feels like, are we sure we're just not using Sue Gray as a scapegoat?

See, this is my concern, right? It's that we all know that just because it's leading the Westminster pages doesn't mean it actually is the biggest issue in politics. We know that. We call it the bubble, don't we? For a reason. Who's in? Who's out? Who's up? Who's down? It's all a bit gossipy. And so there is a part of me that feels like, are we sure we're just not using Sue Gray as a scapegoat?

This idea that like, the reason the polling is so bad is because Sue Gray didn't send out press releases about the good stuff that Labour's doing. Doesn't that make it seem like, oh, Labour's been doing loads of great stuff that we don't hear about and it's Sue Gray's fault? Are we sure that's the case? I don't know how I feel about this story.

This idea that like, the reason the polling is so bad is because Sue Gray didn't send out press releases about the good stuff that Labour's doing. Doesn't that make it seem like, oh, Labour's been doing loads of great stuff that we don't hear about and it's Sue Gray's fault? Are we sure that's the case? I don't know how I feel about this story.

And I think as well, you know, certainly a factor in why people are worried is that we still don't really know who Keir Starmer is. You know, what does he represent? What could we expect? What is Starmerism? But luckily for us, our next guest is someone who has a bit of an inkling.

And I think as well, you know, certainly a factor in why people are worried is that we still don't really know who Keir Starmer is. You know, what does he represent? What could we expect? What is Starmerism? But luckily for us, our next guest is someone who has a bit of an inkling.

Just think, the English language is a very beautiful thing. There's so many other ways to describe stuff. Wouldn't you agree, darling?

Just think, the English language is a very beautiful thing. There's so many other ways to describe stuff. Wouldn't you agree, darling?

Yeah, and everyone always compares him to Malcolm Tucker. But how many Malcolm Tuckers can there be? I constantly hear this.

Yeah, and everyone always compares him to Malcolm Tucker. But how many Malcolm Tuckers can there be? I constantly hear this.

It's so boring.

It's so boring.

I think as well, Morgan McSweeney occupies a particular space. We'd say the centre-right of the Labour Party. I think it's fair to say we're not on the centre-right of our own politics. Do you think that this signifies a change in what we can expect? Because also, I would say, I don't know what to expect from Keir Starmer. What is Starmerism?

I think as well, Morgan McSweeney occupies a particular space. We'd say the centre-right of the Labour Party. I think it's fair to say we're not on the centre-right of our own politics. Do you think that this signifies a change in what we can expect? Because also, I would say, I don't know what to expect from Keir Starmer. What is Starmerism?

That's so interesting because obviously your new book is about centrism. And I was under the impression that Keir Starmer is a centrist. Have I got that wrong?

That's so interesting because obviously your new book is about centrism. And I was under the impression that Keir Starmer is a centrist. Have I got that wrong?

Well, actually, yeah, let's talk about centrism. What is it?

Well, actually, yeah, let's talk about centrism. What is it?