Trump’s Gaza madness ft Lewis Goodall
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Hi, this is Pod Save the UK. I'm Coco Kahn.
And I'm Nish Kumar. Once again, we can't escape Trump. The president has unleashed a tidal wave of incredulity around the world from backflips on tariffs to Elon Musk's interventions in the apparatus of American government. And just this morning, as we record, announcing a completely insane plan to take over the Gaza Strip.
Absolutely insane, incoherent and obviously terrifying. You know, in my naivety, I woke up really early this morning before the news was circulating and thought to myself, oh great, on today's episode we can talk about the Grammys or something nice like that. Do you know what I mean? I was like, oh, there seems to be a natural pause in the devastating, horrifying news.
No, there's no pause. There's not even time for us to make fun of Drake. That's how serious the situation is. To discuss these waves of chaos and, back in the UK, the salacious allegations that his inner circle describe Keir Starmer as an HR manager, we'll be joined by a very special guest, the newsagent Lewis Goodall.
Let's start on this Gaza news. Here's President Trump announcing his plans. We'll understand if you skip the next 30 seconds if you can't stand the sound of him.
The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it, too. We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.
That's Trump announcing his plans for Gaza in a press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Just to summarise some of the other headlines coming out of these announcements, Trump said that the Palestinians would have no alternative but to leave Gaza. The US would own and develop the Gaza Strip. He's called Gaza a symbol of death and destruction and that the only reason people would want to live there is because they have nowhere else to go. And he spoke about it in chillingly cold terms. He spoke about it as the real estate developer he always has been and said that he envisions Gaza as a Riviera of the Middle East.
Thank you.
So in terms of what this means for the Palestinian people, he suggests that the 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza should move to neighbouring countries with humanitarian hearts. So this is ethnic cleansing. This is, you know, the use of violence and force and intimidation to essentially drive a community of people out of their homes. If you watch that footage of Trump giving the press conference, Netanyahu is stood next to him on a lectern and it's sort of nodding approvingly throughout. What you're seeing really is the realisation of Netanyahu's ambitions for Gaza, which is effectively to drive the Palestinians out of their homeland and make it a part of Israel. This is why Netanyahu has been so open in his support for Donald Trump, because he knew that Trump would open the door for exactly this happening. But if international law is to mean anything anymore, then the international community has to stand strongly and the United Nations has to stand strongly against this plan because it is ethnic cleansing.
And I know that there are people who are going to accuse me of naivety for even asking questions like this, but this is a defining moment in the history of these institutions. And if they are unable to enforce the laws that they themselves have laid down, then there's simply no point in them continuing to exist. I'm sort of slightly lost for words to articulate how significant this feels at the moment.
Of course, these institutions are deeply, deeply problematic, but do we want to do away with them entirely, i.e. they don't exist, we don't have anything like that, or do we want to improve them so that they are more fair? That point about naivety, I feel that as well. I was thinking about Donald Trump, as I do every minute of the day, but I was thinking about how he's so naked in his ambition and the way that he speaks, and he kind of reveals the problems with the machine, right? Yeah. Actually, all along, it's just been about money and power and who has the biggest guns. All along, it's been might is right, investors interested, all along.
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