Codie Sanchez

And we started it because I didn't want to give away equity in the company.

I didn't want a real board.

And I was scared of the downside of boards, which is that they can be not a set of alive conservative, blah, blah, blah.

So I wanted somebody who I could listen to, but couldn't run everything for me.

Like I was the skin in the game.

Because I realize most entrepreneurs, they don't have that.

I mean, your friends are often your competitors, so you have to be a little careful of that.

You know, your family is sometimes a little tired of hearing from it.

Your employees are going to tell you what you want to hear, or they're going to tell you what is the least amount of work for them.

And so you need this group of peers around you sometimes.

I really think you need three.

You need peers, you need advisors, and then you need people that are like 10 or 20 years ahead of you.

Yeah.

And with those three things, you can just move faster because you can steal people's 10,000 hours.

Yeah.

Well, I think actually what's happened with our businesses is we become less just as humans every time we remove ourselves a little bit further from the hand on the fire.

And so in my mind, one of the biggest things that's gone bad for business when it comes to justice is public stocks, third party investors and short term incentives.

And so I think most CEOs and business owners actually want to be John Mackey.

Because you see it on the small business spectrum.

They actually have pretty good compensation market rates.