Coleman Ruiz

And everybody in that conference room looked like him.

When I saw that movie later, I'm like, every single person looked like him.

And they told me it was Adam, and we were going to go notify Kelly.

His wife.

Savannah and Nathan, yeah, they were small.

And we knocked on, she had a sort of a stained glass like window.

And I could see her at the top of the stairs.

That was the worst, man.

It was the worst.

So we sat with Kelly and a bunch of other guys were there.

Of course, it wasn't just me.

And we did our best.

And I learned later and, you know, reading Paul's work, Dr. Conti and other people.

And like, that was it, dude.

I was like a, I don't know if it's a locust or whatever that sheds their skin.

I literally like left a shell of myself on Kelly's front porch and walked out of my skin.

It was, that was tough.

That was tough.

And so that was kind of the tempo to answer your question.

Like it wasn't exactly every 90 days, but almost every 90 days from 06 to 2011 for me, I got out in the fall of 2011.